If that were completely true then why is less than 20% (IIRC, long time ago someone quoted that to me) of thier budget spent on Aid Relief
If that were completely true then why is less than 20% (IIRC, long time ago someone quoted that to me) of thier budget spent on Aid Relief? Also if you look at the executive orders that created FEMA, in the event that the president calls a nationwide state of emergency all power does go to FEMA. Here is a url for a page that goes further in depth.
I don't think bible is a strong enough word, my 1984 is more like an organ, that happens to be detachable and external, and I don't think that the count at the bottom of the article is high enough.
Hardware prices are falling through the floor, everywhere. The alpha I built tipped the scales at about $1400, its a pretty simple system, and obvsiouly a graphics person would want more, but just to give you an idea of how not outrageous the prices are. 600mhz alpha, 256MB ecc sdram, 4.5 gig uw scsi hdd, 40x cd-rom, millennium II 8mb. Where as I have no idea how much a quad pIII or maybe just a dual xeon would cost I'll be dollars to donuts its alot more.
I'm not sure which suburb your in, but I used to (just moved to manhatten) live in the burbs from chicago and I had a dsl line through flashcom, not the greatest company, and Ameritech took thier sweet ass time installing it, but it got done. Now I'm waiting on Bell Atlantic to install the line here and its just painful. Your might want to check out the adsl forum, also northpoint and covad's websites, as they are key in the roleout of dsl.
I ran Be r4 and a while ago i got r4.5 in the mail. I have yet to try r4.5 because in the mean time I had sold my x86 box and built an alpha. With all this talk of Be I got to thinking, if they ported BeOS to the alpha that would kick ass. The 21264 has all sorts of mvi instructions built in which resemble the mmx/3dnow instructions in the x86 world, which are all designed to help multi-media content creators. (IMHO) the alpha is definitly one of the better processors out there, being 64 bit risc, and all that, besides its fast as anything. I just think it too bad Be seems to be chained to the most mainstream of mainstream for hardware support, although they do support the ppc, which gives me a little hope that they might atleast consider porting to the alpha, becuase it is the fastest platform out there, and thats what most of the "media" people are looking for because every day thier prodoctivity is dependant on how fast thier machine is.
Sorry for the rambling, but two things I loved, BeOS and the alpha, just the thought of them together is enough to well....i get all warm inside:)
For all those taking this too seriously I have one thing to say (well maybe two) lighten up. I don't see it anywhere even close to destructive. Hell, they backed up the old index.html file, what more do you want from them? I found it funnny, its not like it will take them hours and hours of effort to restore. I just hope the people who did it tell the seti people how they did it so the security hole can be fixed. Other than that I think most people just need to lighten up. Though I am glad to see that a good number of the geeks out there do have a sense of humor about things like this that were just ment to be funny.
If the schools use Linux it is a big step in bringing Linux into the home, look at all the mac's here in the usa, where many schools orginally had all apple computer labs, now i know my school is pretty much split 50/50, but by being in the schools it really helped move the mac's into the home. Hopefully the same thing will happen there, and then maybe we can follow thier trend. Just thinking about the money that could be saved for educational institutions by using a free open source os has to be a large amount. I'm sure they get educational discounts on licenses, but still, say its only $50 a license, and its a decent sized school with say, 25 or 50 windows machines, its $1250 to $2500 in just licensing...and thats even forgetting all the server licensing. Doesn't seem like much, but in schools every penny counts, so if nothing else $$$$ should be thier first motivator to bring linux into the schools, if the appropriate software is available, and i see that as the real sticking point.
With merced being delayed and delayed I really don't see how Intel can expect to take ANY of the really high end, fault-tolerant server market away from the current major players like the alpha, sparc, and the hp pa-risc. If I am right even the *estimated* merced specs are about in line with what you can get in a decent 21264 alpha right now. Unfortunatly I'm not as familiar with other architectures besides the alpha, but that is the current performance leader so its definitly the best to slam intel with.:) If everyone is going to have to port thier apps to ia-64 with merced and all that I don't see why they might just not port to alpha at the same time. I don't know much of anything about the actual porting of apps so please correct me if I'm very wrong. From what I have heard the biggest deal in currently porting from x86 to alpha is the move from 32 to 64 bit with data structures and the such. If, as it looks now, most of the merced work is done in the compiler hence everything will need to atleast be recompiled if not re-coded, then this could be a key turning point in the popularity of the alpha. If everything is going to 64bit why not go to one of the fastest, and definitly more stable 64 bit processors, with no backward compatibility crap and built for nothing but pure speed. The only problem I see currently for the world dominance by the alpha is the price, though it seems compaq is starting to try and fix that part too. By no means is a 533 alpha system cheap, but its not too bad when you consider the performance of what you are getting.
But off topic i have gone. Hopefully compaq can position itself in a position to take advantage of the fact that millions, if not billions, of lines of code will need to be re-written and make sure that code is also ported to the alpha. This could be intel's worst mistake yet, trying to force people to change platforms from one where they all but wrote the book to one where they are at a distinct disadvantage.
-- I'm not the devil's advocate, my box just runs at 666
It really doesn't take much to beat the pants off of a pentium, especially if you are doing anything even remotly floating point intensive. There are a whole lot of companies that make great alpha workstations, including but not limited to (i love sounding like a lawyer:) www.dcginc.com www.microway.com www.polywell.com you might want to give all of them a try, or just go to www.alphalinux.org, there is a list of vendors on there too.:)
I'd rather have a non-newbie review something for once. I am getting kind of sick of reading reviews of distros and having them all soley aimed at the newbies. I have installed linux a bunch of times and been using it for a while, I want a review of the distro that might actually tell me something about it instead of the normal newbie crap.
becuase by nature adsl is asynchronous (sorry for the spelling) while t's are all synchronous the T lines have a bit of life left in them, but when someone comes up with a synchronous dsl service that is as fast or faster than adsl then the t's will be in real danger. I could be missing something huge, mostly becuase i know a good bit more about adsl than t lines becuase i can afford to look at adsl and reasonably hope to get it, where as a T i just dream about
If there wasn't any additional cost of the phone company to offer adsl then why are there so many fewer adsl users than cable modem users..oh...wait...its because they do have to upgrade equipment, or more specifically i think they need to remove a piece of equipment, i don't remember the exact technicalities of it (they are on www.adsl.com) Also to offer adsl service they need to have more switches or points of presence or whatever, becuase you need to be closer to get adsl service
And then all of those living in poverty with food prices at their current level can just starve right? You might want to try thinking about the effects of what you say before you start bashing something. I assume that most of us are speaking from positions of relative prosperity...as in we have enough spare money to afford a computer, an isp account, and the so on. We can all more than likely afford to pay a few dollars more for some flour or sugar or corn. There are many people in the country (the usa) and event he world who can't, and while you and I may be able to afford higher food prices what would it do to those who already have trouble feeding thier family? But of course, they should just be left to starve to death because they aren't able to pay thier own way. The subsidies are necessary to keep food prices low enough that we can afford to help other countries who have food shortages, and so that the poorer people in our country can eat. The problem of poverty is definitly a social evil that should be fixed if possible, but in our current state it is _very_ unlikely that anyone will either care enough or be able to have a large enough effect in poverty for it to really matter. The lower subsidised food prices may be a small point, but still, everyone has the right to eat.
Its a horrible experience, i try and keep back on the updates but usually every five or so I like to update, and this just RUINS my uptime....we should be able to save and then restart the uptime if all that happens is a kernel update...or maybe a dynamic way to load the entire new kernel so we can keep those pretty uptimes intact:) 10:20pm up 13 days, 8:34, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Thats the best i've been able to get because of these damn updates:) oh well...
In any good experiment its always nice to see where you might have screwed the pooch.
1. Win 2k beta 3? why in gods name would you try and pass any type of reputable benchmark off on an operating system that isn't done yet.
2. Acer computers...need anyone say any more about that?:)
3. Intel FUD, acer, being a crappy company that makes crappy computers is just fine with being used as a toy for Intel's PR department. The last time I checked I didn't know acer made anything with an AMD chip in it, but I could be very wrong, I've been building my own machines for a while and don't stop to look at the specs on acer's most recent POS at compusa or wherever they sell them.
4. Timing, last I heard the K7 wasn't in final production yet so its also a beta chip.
Beta OS, beta chip, crappy company, looks like a load of BS to me.
Thats a good call on the hard drives, I've been searching for a 10 gig scsi hard drive for a while now, need just a bit more than the 9 but not quite an 18, and no one makes them. Unless this is some new prototype there aren't any 10 gig scsi hard drives. Figures tho, since when has acer done anything good, much less reputable
From all I have read about the k7, architecturally there seems to be no good reason that its fpu would be slower than that of the Pentium III, ie, more parallel execution, more pipelining, and all the rest. Or the problem could be cropping up in the operating system, god knows microsoft plays enough tricks in its final releases, god only knows what they are up to in thier beta's.
Either way, if these are true I am really dissapointed. I was planning on replacing this machine with a dual K7 system just about as soon as the chips and boards came out. Also if these are true it could spell the end to that small thorn in Intel's side known as AMD, and that would be a real shame. It might just be an american thing about rooting for the underdog, but damn if i didn't want the K7 to come out and just wipe the floor with intel and its crappy PIII adds. (how in god's name does your processor make the internet faster? someone want to explain that one to me?) If AMD goes down the only real competition I can see Intel meeting is the DEC Alpha.(sorry Compaq, in my heart it will always be a dec) Once everyone realizes that they are going to need to move everything to epic, both on the development side, porting to epic, and on the consumer side, buying all new apps, people might really consider the alpha because atleast in Linux as of now its distributions are stable, its compilers and libraries are getting more and more mature, and no matter what it will be more mature and more stable than merced, just because it will have been around a lot longer. But I digress.
Someone please prove these benchmarks are crap...besides the fact that they came from acer:) I would hate to see AMD go down now, getting so close but not quite knocking intel down.
Well i'd hope the alphas would wipe the table with just about any other processor around, I am biased for them and all that...and i do love them to death. The best thing coming out of the K7, besides some nice competition for microsoft is hopefully cheaper and more availible boards for the alpha processors, and hopefully cheaper alphas sometime in the near future.
I would like to personally apologize to the world that this city has allowed someone with such an assbackwards view of the computer industry to take an influential position and write as if he had a fsck'ing clue what he was talking about. He will be tarred and feathered immediatly.
Personally I am a caldera fan, their distro, in my experience, has been the definition of stablility, and with the newest version adding all sorts of needed features it should be even more of a pleasure to use.
Well I don't know what you've been doing, but I have never had that problem. I moved up to the 2.2 kernel just fine with a few minor upgrades, like ppp for instance, and it has worked beautifully. My biggest problem with them has been the lack of a new version for so long, leaving me to compile the new librarys and the such. Oh well, now we have the newest of new and we may all rejoice.:)
By far the simpilest and easiesy way to destroy a perfectly working piece of computing power doesn't even involve opening the case. All you have to do is install M$ Windows 98:)
I have found that the best way to make any perfectly good computer unusable and worthless:)
personally i don't need to block it or anything, i just need to be able to see it quickly enough to slam on the brakes, or to have it not go off for the milisecond i am in front of the cop so he either gets no reading from me or doesn't even bother to look up from his donut.:)
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If that were completely true then why is less than 20% (IIRC, long time ago someone quoted that to me) of thier budget spent on Aid Relief? Also if you look at the executive orders that created FEMA, in the event that the president calls a nationwide state of emergency all power does go to FEMA. Here is a url for a page that goes further in depth.
http://www.prophezine.com/search/database/is5.6.ht ml
I don't think bible is a strong enough word, my 1984 is more like an organ, that happens to be detachable and external, and I don't think that the count at the bottom of the article is high enough.
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Hardware prices are falling through the floor, everywhere. The alpha I built tipped the scales at about $1400, its a pretty simple system, and obvsiouly a graphics person would want more, but just to give you an idea of how not outrageous the prices are. 600mhz alpha, 256MB ecc sdram, 4.5 gig uw scsi hdd, 40x cd-rom, millennium II 8mb. Where as I have no idea how much a quad pIII or maybe just a dual xeon would cost I'll be dollars to donuts its alot more.
I'm not sure which suburb your in, but I used to (just moved to manhatten) live in the burbs from chicago and I had a dsl line through flashcom, not the greatest company, and Ameritech took thier sweet ass time installing it, but it got done. Now I'm waiting on Bell Atlantic to install the line here and its just painful. Your might want to check out the adsl forum, also northpoint and covad's websites, as they are key in the roleout of dsl.
I ran Be r4 and a while ago i got r4.5 in the mail. I have yet to try r4.5 because in the mean time I had sold my x86 box and built an alpha. With all this talk of Be I got to thinking, if they ported BeOS to the alpha that would kick ass. The 21264 has all sorts of mvi instructions built in which resemble the mmx/3dnow instructions in the x86 world, which are all designed to help multi-media content creators. (IMHO) the alpha is definitly one of the better processors out there, being 64 bit risc, and all that, besides its fast as anything. I just think it too bad Be seems to be chained to the most mainstream of mainstream for hardware support, although they do support the ppc, which gives me a little hope that they might atleast consider porting to the alpha, becuase it is the fastest platform out there, and thats what most of the "media" people are looking for because every day thier prodoctivity is dependant on how fast thier machine is.
:)
Sorry for the rambling, but two things I loved, BeOS and the alpha, just the thought of them together is enough to well....i get all warm inside
For all those taking this too seriously I have one thing to say (well maybe two) lighten up. I don't see it anywhere even close to destructive. Hell, they backed up the old index.html file, what more do you want from them? I found it funnny, its not like it will take them hours and hours of effort to restore. I just hope the people who did it tell the seti people how they did it so the security hole can be fixed. Other than that I think most people just need to lighten up. Though I am glad to see that a good number of the geeks out there do have a sense of humor about things like this that were just ment to be funny.
If the schools use Linux it is a big step in bringing Linux into the home, look at all the mac's here in the usa, where many schools orginally had all apple computer labs, now i know my school is pretty much split 50/50, but by being in the schools it really helped move the mac's into the home. Hopefully the same thing will happen there, and then maybe we can follow thier trend. Just thinking about the money that could be saved for educational institutions by using a free open source os has to be a large amount. I'm sure they get educational discounts on licenses, but still, say its only $50 a license, and its a decent sized school with say, 25 or 50 windows machines, its $1250 to $2500 in just licensing...and thats even forgetting all the server licensing. Doesn't seem like much, but in schools every penny counts, so if nothing else $$$$ should be thier first motivator to bring linux into the schools, if the appropriate software is available, and i see that as the real sticking point.
With merced being delayed and delayed I really don't see how Intel can expect to take ANY of the really high end, fault-tolerant server market away from the current major players like the alpha, sparc, and the hp pa-risc. :)
If I am right even the *estimated* merced specs are about in line with what you can get in a decent 21264 alpha right now. Unfortunatly I'm not as familiar with other architectures besides the alpha, but that is the current performance leader so its definitly the best to slam intel with.
If everyone is going to have to port thier apps to ia-64 with merced and all that I don't see why they might just not port to alpha at the same time. I don't know much of anything about the actual porting of apps so please correct me if I'm very wrong. From what I have heard the biggest deal in currently porting from x86 to alpha is the move from 32 to 64 bit with data structures and the such. If, as it looks now, most of the merced work is done in the compiler hence everything will need to atleast be recompiled if not re-coded, then this could be a key turning point in the popularity of the alpha. If everything is going to 64bit why not go to one of the fastest, and definitly more stable 64 bit processors, with no backward compatibility crap and built for nothing but pure speed. The only problem I see currently for the world dominance by the alpha is the price, though it seems compaq is starting to try and fix that part too. By no means is a 533 alpha system cheap, but its not too bad when you consider the performance of what you are getting.
But off topic i have gone. Hopefully compaq can position itself in a position to take advantage of the fact that millions, if not billions, of lines of code will need to be re-written and make sure that code is also ported to the alpha. This could be intel's worst mistake yet, trying to force people to change platforms from one where they all but wrote the book to one where they are at a distinct disadvantage.
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I'm not the devil's advocate, my box just runs at 666
It really doesn't take much to beat the pants off of a pentium, especially if you are doing anything even remotly floating point intensive. There are a whole lot of companies that make great alpha workstations, including but not limited to (i love sounding like a lawyer :) www.dcginc.com www.microway.com www.polywell.com :)
you might want to give all of them a try, or just go to www.alphalinux.org, there is a list of vendors on there too.
go alpha. be proud.
I'd rather have a non-newbie review something for once. I am getting kind of sick of reading reviews of distros and having them all soley aimed at the newbies. I have installed linux a bunch of times and been using it for a while, I want a review of the distro that might actually tell me something about it instead of the normal newbie crap.
Just my $.02
becuase by nature adsl is asynchronous (sorry for the spelling) while t's are all synchronous the T lines have a bit of life left in them, but when someone comes up with a synchronous dsl service that is as fast or faster than adsl then the t's will be in real danger. I could be missing something huge, mostly becuase i know a good bit more about adsl than t lines becuase i can afford to look at adsl and reasonably hope to get it, where as a T i just dream about
If there wasn't any additional cost of the phone company to offer adsl then why are there so many fewer adsl users than cable modem users..oh...wait...its because they do have to upgrade equipment, or more specifically i think they need to remove a piece of equipment, i don't remember the exact technicalities of it (they are on www.adsl.com)
Also to offer adsl service they need to have more switches or points of presence or whatever, becuase you need to be closer to get adsl service
And then all of those living in poverty with food prices at their current level can just starve right?
You might want to try thinking about the effects of what you say before you start bashing something. I assume that most of us are speaking from positions of relative prosperity...as in we have enough spare money to afford a computer, an isp account, and the so on. We can all more than likely afford to pay a few dollars more for some flour or sugar or corn. There are many people in the country (the usa) and event he world who can't, and while you and I may be able to afford higher food prices what would it do to those who already have trouble feeding thier family? But of course, they should just be left to starve to death because they aren't able to pay thier own way. The subsidies are necessary to keep food prices low enough that we can afford to help other countries who have food shortages, and so that the poorer people in our country can eat.
The problem of poverty is definitly a social evil that should be fixed if possible, but in our current state it is _very_ unlikely that anyone will either care enough or be able to have a large enough effect in poverty for it to really matter. The lower subsidised food prices may be a small point, but still, everyone has the right to eat.
Sorry for going so far off topic.
Its a horrible experience, i try and keep back on the updates but usually every five or so I like to update, and this just RUINS my uptime....we should be able to save and then restart the uptime if all that happens is a kernel update...or maybe a dynamic way to load the entire new kernel so we can keep those pretty uptimes intact :)
:) oh well...
10:20pm up 13 days, 8:34, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Thats the best i've been able to get because of these damn updates
In any good experiment its always nice to see where you might have screwed the pooch.
:)
1. Win 2k beta 3? why in gods name would you try and pass any type of reputable benchmark off on an operating system that isn't done yet.
2. Acer computers...need anyone say any more about that?
3. Intel FUD, acer, being a crappy company that makes crappy computers is just fine with being used as a toy for Intel's PR department. The last time I checked I didn't know acer made anything with an AMD chip in it, but I could be very wrong, I've been building my own machines for a while and don't stop to look at the specs on acer's most recent POS at compusa or wherever they sell them.
4. Timing, last I heard the K7 wasn't in final production yet so its also a beta chip.
Beta OS, beta chip, crappy company, looks like a load of BS to me.
Thats a good call on the hard drives, I've been searching for a 10 gig scsi hard drive for a while now, need just a bit more than the 9 but not quite an 18, and no one makes them. Unless this is some new prototype there aren't any 10 gig scsi hard drives. Figures tho, since when has acer done anything good, much less reputable
The last I heard the K7 was a very not cheap chip to produce and will most likely cost about the same as a comparable Intel chip
From all I have read about the k7, architecturally there seems to be no good reason that its fpu would be slower than that of the Pentium III, ie, more parallel execution, more pipelining, and all the rest. Or the problem could be cropping up in the operating system, god knows microsoft plays enough tricks in its final releases, god only knows what they are up to in thier beta's.
:)
Either way, if these are true I am really dissapointed. I was planning on replacing this machine with a dual K7 system just about as soon as the chips and boards came out. Also if these are true it could spell the end to that small thorn in Intel's side known as AMD, and that would be a real shame. It might just be an american thing about rooting for the underdog, but damn if i didn't want the K7 to come out and just wipe the floor with intel and its crappy PIII adds. (how in god's name does your processor make the internet faster? someone want to explain that one to me?)
If AMD goes down the only real competition I can see Intel meeting is the DEC Alpha.(sorry Compaq, in my heart it will always be a dec) Once everyone realizes that they are going to need to move everything to epic, both on the development side, porting to epic, and on the consumer side, buying all new apps, people might really consider the alpha because atleast in Linux as of now its distributions are stable, its compilers and libraries are getting more and more mature, and no matter what it will be more mature and more stable than merced, just because it will have been around a lot longer. But I digress.
Someone please prove these benchmarks are crap...besides the fact that they came from acer
I would hate to see AMD go down now, getting so close but not quite knocking intel down.
Well i'd hope the alphas would wipe the table with just about any other processor around, I am biased for them and all that...and i do love them to death. The best thing coming out of the K7, besides some nice competition for microsoft is hopefully cheaper and more availible boards for the alpha processors, and hopefully cheaper alphas sometime in the near future.
I would like to personally apologize to the world that this city has allowed someone with such an assbackwards view of the computer industry to take an influential position and write as if he had a fsck'ing clue what he was talking about. He will be tarred and feathered immediatly.
Personally I am a caldera fan, their distro, in my experience, has been the definition of stablility, and with the newest version adding all sorts of needed features it should be even more of a pleasure to use.
Well I don't know what you've been doing, but I have never had that problem. I moved up to the 2.2 kernel just fine with a few minor upgrades, like ppp for instance, and it has worked beautifully. My biggest problem with them has been the lack of a new version for so long, leaving me to compile the new librarys and the such. Oh well, now we have the newest of new and we may all rejoice. :)
By far the simpilest and easiesy way to destroy a perfectly working piece of computing power doesn't even involve opening the case. All you have to do is install M$ Windows 98 :)
:)
I have found that the best way to make any perfectly good computer unusable and worthless
surprised the article didn't mention that
personally i don't need to block it or anything, i just need to be able to see it quickly enough to slam on the brakes, or to have it not go off for the milisecond i am in front of the cop so he either gets no reading from me or doesn't even bother to look up from his donut. :)
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm alpha :)
oh come on...like everyone else wasn't thinking the same thing.