Modern baseball tends to get boring. Over expansion has dilluted the talent pool so badly that (for example) pitchers who *might* have made the big leagues twenty years ago as part time relievers are now full time, middle rotation starters. Boring, home-run derby ball.
If they really wanted to churn up a buck they could make available radio broadcasts of 'old time' games. Even better, make them freely available as a move to generate interest in the sport. Think of the benefits and possibilities.
One, you've got MASSIVE amounts of content. IF you got back to the pre-WW2 era you're looking at 20+ clubs playing over 144 games per year. You've games from hall of famers like mickey mantle, ted williams, or jackie robinson playing. This could introduce a younger audience to people they've only heard stories about.
Two, Niche markets and fan base expansion. I live in michigan and have been stuck with the piss poor tigers. Yet, I'm a big fan of the cubs thanks to having WGN tv. Image being able to equally expose all 32 teams in all markets. Long term you could see an overall rise in attendance (fans going to their local park to see their favorite out of state team).
As for niche markets, I'm also brooklyn dodgers fan. The team moved out of new york around the time my father was born. Yet I'd love to sit back on a summer day, and listen to a brooklyn dodgers game. I can't be the only one like this.
Third, and finally, Color. Listening to a game today sounds boring. Most teams have radio annoucers with communications degrees. They call baseball games until they can get a job as news casters. In the 'good old days' you had guys like Harry Carey, or Ernie Harwall who made the most boring baseball game a work of art. There's a great oral history and tradition in baseball. Most of it is lost on guys now. Those intersting, non sequitor stories than a broadcaster can tell during a dull game are what separate the good color men from the bad. think of the stories that are sitting in a vault rusting away right now.
An added benefit of making the old school games available is that you'd have to transfer them off of whatever media they're stored on now (probably steel wire or even wax in some cases, certainly magentic tape for the majority of games) is that you preserve the games for the ages.
This is usually due to the player's association's liscensing (sp) decisions. The NFLPA tends to be fairly loose about using the likeness of a past team, although many of the players from that era aren't accuratly represented, and the few that are usually show up because they don't have a limitation on the use of their likeness.
For example, former Cleveland Browns Running back Jim Brown isn't listed as a player with the 1965 Cleveland Browns, but there will be a running back with the number 32 for that team.
The ability to use "all time" teams could be disappearing in the near future. With the popularity of "throwback" jerseys, many retired players have begun looking into the idea of being paid likeness rights (or the jersey equivilent). In their defense, this is fair. Current players get a piece of the merchandising pie, while money from retired players just goes to the retired players association or, in some cases, a general pension fund.
The article's a nice read. Unfortunatly, the author seems to just be throwing out numbers. Ten Billion for this, five billion for that. That's all fine and good. Unlike most people involved in journalism today, the author can divide a number like 100 into smaller equal parts.
What he fails to do is support why each step in the process warrents the money he's allocating. Why would five billion dollars be sufficient to convert some or all of our gas stations to offer hydrogen? That figure could be way high, or it could be far to low.
It's fun conjecture, but there's not a lot of substance. he did point out some interesting initiatives, such as UPS and FedEx phasing in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the niext five years. But other than that he's just re-enacting my fifth grade "how I would spend One million dollars" essay.
Most rooms have the same color scheme. Some shade of dove gray, off white, cream, eggshell, tope, tan, ad nauseum. Use real colors. A dark red, An electric blue, just something that isn't based on white. It'll give you a break from a day of being surrounded by the same flat color. Also, try incandescent lighting. Flourescent lights make me (figurativly) sick after a while.
A trip to the local Goodwill / Salvation Army / Value Village / College property disposition warehouse could yeild you a few cool decorative lamps, tables, perhaps a nice retro desk? (As I am typing this I can hear tyler durden saying "you are not your stuff")
Oh, and some Obey/Giant Propaganda would look nice on the walls. Might I suggest the Chuck D / Flava Flav combo?
.....To all my coyote linux homies! Word bitch, Coyote like a muhfucker.
Just kidding. Coyote's help boards do tend to read like an AOL teen chat sometimes. Supposedly Coyote's moving to the 2.4 kernel "in the near future", but I won't hold my breath. Despite using an older kernel, and being floppy based, Coyote still manages to pack in a lot of useful features.
http://www.coyotelinux.com For all your single floppy disk-based routing, firewall, and DHCP server needs. Now with reduced fat, 50% more in each box, and ssh authentication!
A lot of schools still use SSN's as student ID's out of sheer habit. Many small schools never bothered to update to Student ID's, and are now in a situation where there are tens of thousands of SSN's floating around campus being used for things as simple as resetting an E-mail password.
My employer just finished a shift from SSN's to an actual student ID less than a week ago. The conversion's been a bitch (users: "whaaaaaa, why do I have to learn a new number?") and the fact that it was done in the middle of the semister hasn't made things any easier. I'm glad it's been done, it's something that should've changed a long time ago.
On a side note. When the ID's were changed we were told that it was being done in part to comply with upcoming changes in government regulations? Any truth or links to back that up?
I'm in a situation at my place of employment (a community college). There's a lot of content we'd like to block, such as porn, instant messaging, file sharing etc. It's a waste of bandwidth, but more importantly it's a waste of resources.
Now, most schools have an 'acceptable use' policy, us included. Try telling resident adults that they can't use community funded resources to do whatever they want. It doesn't happen. Tell someone they can't look at porn in a public lab, and they'll throw the first amendment at you. So we use the all inclusive "waste of bandwidth." Kinda hard for them to argue on that point.
I suspect you're in the same situation. rather than having students using computer for chit chat and wasting time, they administration wants to see them used for work. Rather than re-inventing the wheel when it comes to their usage policy, which can take ages, they're calling AIM for what it is in your environment, a waste of bandwidth.
"Hi My name is John Carmack and I'd.....yes the same guy that worked on doom and quake.......yeah I'd like to order several thousand gallons of....yes those games are violent, lots of blowing stuff up.....anyhow I'd like to order several thousand gallons of highly explosive and caustic peroxide in order to...Hello? Hello? damn."
Bootable CD's have been around how long? Cut the cord already. Where there's a will / need / dollar, there's a way. Flashing a BIOS can be done from other bootable media (CD-R), and instead of making a boot floppy to save a machine, you make a bootable CD.
1.44megs (or 2.88 or anything in between for that matter) of storage space isn't enough to be worthwhile to most people. Sure you can do cool stuff (www.coyotelinux.com) if you're so inclined, but let a dead horse die already.
DVD's won't wear out. They'll just get superceded by another format. I think agent K said it best in MIB when he said "Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again."
I don't think any redhat stock holders would mind seeing them turn a "microsoftish" profit for once.
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Do you feel like you'll be given an unhindered chance to be 'free', Or do you think that the vague state of some US technology laws would be used against you if the opportunity presents itself?
Follow up to that question; are you more or less likely to work on a project that could be construed as a (for example) DMCA violation because of your past?
As far as the bedroom, I don't have a bedroom. My living room is filled with a $10,000 home entertainment system, walls of DVDs and CDs and books. There's a futon mattress on the floor (it's punk to go without a bed frame).
My bedroom is filled with a dozen or so machines and a half dozen 21" or bigger monitors, networking racks, fax machines, printers, scanners, digital cameras, technical books, portable air conditioner, $4,000 executive office chair, PS2, Xbox, second television, second stereo system, 1tb file server (for mp3s and movies) and lots of spare parts and ancient machinery.
And does your garage have a Benz that you ain't even drove yet? Because that's what you truly need.
Well, I'd suggest getting a girlfriend. They can be very helpful about the "release tension" thing, and a significant minority can even improve your "overall quality of life."
Getting a girlfriend for the purposes of stress relief and QOL improvement? Isn't that like switching to Windows for the purposes of stress relief and QOL improvement? I'm sure it's happened, But it's definatly not a guarenteed result.
Ahhh my young friend, it's all part of the grand Canadian conspiracy. Part of their thinly veiled attempts to make us believe that they too hate the French. Blowing up a french ship, the prominant use of french on billboards, Quebec. It's all a clever ruse.
...The City of Cincinnati has offered the Bengals another new stadium 'out in the suburbs.' Mayor Charlie Luken Deemed the new stadium a 'multi-use facility' and plans are in place to have the team moved within the next 90 days.
It was on a debit card, not a credit card. the hassel of trying to get what i lost back wasn't worth the effort. had it been my credit card it would've been simple to tell them to stop payment. As it stood it wasn't worth my time.
However, the author makes soem very good points. I had a pretty bad customer service experience that made me quit the game.
My January bill (jan 2001 i think.) was run twice. I had two deductions from sony out of my checking account. No big deal, 12.95 isn't going to drive me into chapter 11, but I still wanted my money. I call support and offer up the usual information, then the support guy starts getting ansy. He wants to know the cardholder information again.
I had purchased my copy of the game from a co-worker. he played the game a week, decided it sucked, and offered me his copy for ten bucks. What the hell, I bought it, fell in love with the game, and played for well over a year. But I wasn't the person who originally activated the account. I dumped all the original characters, and started anew.
A few months into my gaming experience i noticed that Sony had taken a major stance against selling characters and accounts. BFD, i wasn't planning on selling my level 20 cleric anytime soon.
But back to the support call. Once The tech finds out that I didn't buy the game from a sony authorized retailer, all support stopped. I didn't have an in game issue, I had a billing issue. Nothing. No help at all. Once he found out that I wasn't the original cardholder, he gave me the polite support equivilent of a "gofuckyerself." I'd had an extra 13 bucks taken from my account and there was nothing that I could do, or that they were going to do, to fix the problem. I'd played for well over a year, bought an expansion. But to them that and a buck would get me a cup of coffee.
Now, here's the amazing part. This is what'll get this modded up to 'interesting' or dare I say even 'insightful.' I CANCELED MY ACCOUNT! Yes, that's right. I had a bad customer service experience, and thus I took my money elsewhere. Suport was unresponsive, So I quit contributing to their salaries.
That's what really gets my goat about peopple who incessantly rant about how awful $GAME_OF_CHOICE is. They spend time ranting, raving, and bitching about how bad $ASPECT is, but they keep sending their fucking money. Don't like the econmics of the company? quit! think Necro's have an unfair advantage in melee? quit!
Granted, I've just spent a good deal of time ranting about a bad experience / aspect, but i actually did something about it. The author goes on and on about quitters being ridiculed by guildmates, sony being crack dealers, etc. Give me a goddamned 'Henry Rollins delux edition' clue by four so I experience the joy of getting addicted to clocking the author in the skull. Addicts my ass. Spend some time around a drug rehab center, then try calling a hardcore EQ player an addict.
Ridiculed by guildmates? If i was really worried about be made fun of by people I'll never see / meet / give more than passing serious thought to, then i wouldn't be posting to slashdot. The author of that 'article' is the EQ equivilent of a karma whore.
Beating the Matrix isn't that hard. Up down Up Down Left Right Left Right B A B A Start (the sequence he used to be Morpheus) gave him Thirty Lives. They just edited out the other 28 attempts to improve to flow of the film.
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YMMV, but SBC Yahoo / Ameritech doesn't care about NAT. In fact they acknowledge that customers may be connecting more than one system in their customer support materials. The downsides:
-Non windows / mac OS support doesn't exist. They run a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to multiple PC's, but you need a windows PC for them to do any sort of trouble shooting. (My guess says their support people are reading from a card)
-Installation (from the telco side) is intermittent. Some people I've talked to get setup in a couple weeks. My setup took just shy of three months. To be fair, my order went in just a few days after my area went DSL ready. half of their systems said I could have DSL, the other half didn't. I had two separate orders canceled by the compliance check.
SBC Yahoo may be a good option for your area. sure comparing it to Comcast / Roadrunner is like comparing genital warts to Leporasy (you don't really *want* either, but one's probably a bit easier to live with). It may be wrth investigating. I'm running wireless + two regular boxen and they (officially no less) don't care.
And if you do setup a network remember; http://www.coyotelinux.com, because if you buy a router from best buy, then the terrorists have already won.
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Modern baseball tends to get boring. Over expansion has dilluted the talent pool so badly that (for example) pitchers who *might* have made the big leagues twenty years ago as part time relievers are now full time, middle rotation starters. Boring, home-run derby ball.
If they really wanted to churn up a buck they could make available radio broadcasts of 'old time' games. Even better, make them freely available as a move to generate interest in the sport. Think of the benefits and possibilities.
One, you've got MASSIVE amounts of content. IF you got back to the pre-WW2 era you're looking at 20+ clubs playing over 144 games per year. You've games from hall of famers like mickey mantle, ted williams, or jackie robinson playing. This could introduce a younger audience to people they've only heard stories about.
Two, Niche markets and fan base expansion. I live in michigan and have been stuck with the piss poor tigers. Yet, I'm a big fan of the cubs thanks to having WGN tv. Image being able to equally expose all 32 teams in all markets. Long term you could see an overall rise in attendance (fans going to their local park to see their favorite out of state team).
As for niche markets, I'm also brooklyn dodgers fan. The team moved out of new york around the time my father was born. Yet I'd love to sit back on a summer day, and listen to a brooklyn dodgers game. I can't be the only one like this.
Third, and finally, Color. Listening to a game today sounds boring. Most teams have radio annoucers with communications degrees. They call baseball games until they can get a job as news casters. In the 'good old days' you had guys like Harry Carey, or Ernie Harwall who made the most boring baseball game a work of art. There's a great oral history and tradition in baseball. Most of it is lost on guys now. Those intersting, non sequitor stories than a broadcaster can tell during a dull game are what separate the good color men from the bad. think of the stories that are sitting in a vault rusting away right now.
An added benefit of making the old school games available is that you'd have to transfer them off of whatever media they're stored on now (probably steel wire or even wax in some cases, certainly magentic tape for the majority of games) is that you preserve the games for the ages.
This is usually due to the player's association's liscensing (sp) decisions. The NFLPA tends to be fairly loose about using the likeness of a past team, although many of the players from that era aren't accuratly represented, and the few that are usually show up because they don't have a limitation on the use of their likeness.
For example, former Cleveland Browns Running back Jim Brown isn't listed as a player with the 1965 Cleveland Browns, but there will be a running back with the number 32 for that team.
The ability to use "all time" teams could be disappearing in the near future. With the popularity of "throwback" jerseys, many retired players have begun looking into the idea of being paid likeness rights (or the jersey equivilent). In their defense, this is fair. Current players get a piece of the merchandising pie, while money from retired players just goes to the retired players association or, in some cases, a general pension fund.
The article's a nice read. Unfortunatly, the author seems to just be throwing out numbers. Ten Billion for this, five billion for that. That's all fine and good. Unlike most people involved in journalism today, the author can divide a number like 100 into smaller equal parts.
What he fails to do is support why each step in the process warrents the money he's allocating. Why would five billion dollars be sufficient to convert some or all of our gas stations to offer hydrogen? That figure could be way high, or it could be far to low.
It's fun conjecture, but there's not a lot of substance. he did point out some interesting initiatives, such as UPS and FedEx phasing in hydrogen fuel cell vehicles in the niext five years. But other than that he's just re-enacting my fifth grade "how I would spend One million dollars" essay.
Most rooms have the same color scheme. Some shade of dove gray, off white, cream, eggshell, tope, tan, ad nauseum. Use real colors. A dark red, An electric blue, just something that isn't based on white. It'll give you a break from a day of being surrounded by the same flat color. Also, try incandescent lighting. Flourescent lights make me (figurativly) sick after a while.
A trip to the local Goodwill / Salvation Army / Value Village / College property disposition warehouse could yeild you a few cool decorative lamps, tables, perhaps a nice retro desk? (As I am typing this I can hear tyler durden saying "you are not your stuff")
Oh, and some Obey/Giant Propaganda would look nice on the walls. Might I suggest the Chuck D / Flava Flav combo?
.....To all my coyote linux homies! Word bitch, Coyote like a muhfucker.
Just kidding. Coyote's help boards do tend to read like an AOL teen chat sometimes. Supposedly Coyote's moving to the 2.4 kernel "in the near future", but I won't hold my breath. Despite using an older kernel, and being floppy based, Coyote still manages to pack in a lot of useful features.
http://www.coyotelinux.com For all your single floppy disk-based routing, firewall, and DHCP server needs. Now with reduced fat, 50% more in each box, and ssh authentication!
A lot of schools still use SSN's as student ID's out of sheer habit. Many small schools never bothered to update to Student ID's, and are now in a situation where there are tens of thousands of SSN's floating around campus being used for things as simple as resetting an E-mail password.
My employer just finished a shift from SSN's to an actual student ID less than a week ago. The conversion's been a bitch (users: "whaaaaaa, why do I have to learn a new number?") and the fact that it was done in the middle of the semister hasn't made things any easier. I'm glad it's been done, it's something that should've changed a long time ago.
On a side note. When the ID's were changed we were told that it was being done in part to comply with upcoming changes in government regulations? Any truth or links to back that up?
They haven't met my ex-girlfriend yet.
More than 11 billion years later, this heat has cooled to minus 270 degrees, but is still detectable."
After only 2 of dating years I think she'd made it well past absolute zero.....
I'm in a situation at my place of employment (a community college). There's a lot of content we'd like to block, such as porn, instant messaging, file sharing etc. It's a waste of bandwidth, but more importantly it's a waste of resources.
Now, most schools have an 'acceptable use' policy, us included. Try telling resident adults that they can't use community funded resources to do whatever they want. It doesn't happen. Tell someone they can't look at porn in a public lab, and they'll throw the first amendment at you. So we use the all inclusive "waste of bandwidth." Kinda hard for them to argue on that point.
I suspect you're in the same situation. rather than having students using computer for chit chat and wasting time, they administration wants to see them used for work. Rather than re-inventing the wheel when it comes to their usage policy, which can take ages, they're calling AIM for what it is in your environment, a waste of bandwidth.
"Hi My name is John Carmack and I'd.....yes the same guy that worked on doom and quake.......yeah I'd like to order several thousand gallons of....yes those games are violent, lots of blowing stuff up.....anyhow I'd like to order several thousand gallons of highly explosive and caustic peroxide in order to...Hello? Hello? damn."
Bootable CD's have been around how long? Cut the cord already. Where there's a will / need / dollar, there's a way. Flashing a BIOS can be done from other bootable media (CD-R), and instead of making a boot floppy to save a machine, you make a bootable CD.
1.44megs (or 2.88 or anything in between for that matter) of storage space isn't enough to be worthwhile to most people. Sure you can do cool stuff (www.coyotelinux.com) if you're so inclined, but let a dead horse die already.
DVD's won't wear out. They'll just get superceded by another format. I think agent K said it best in MIB when he said "Looks like I'll have to buy the White Album again."
"apparently due to users becoming more comfortable with broadband connections."
That's such a great euphamism for users....
"...getting sick of uncontrollable spam"
"...growing tired of a 56k line moving at 33.6k"
"...finding out that instant messaging can be done outside of AOL"
"...discovering that $23.90 per month is a ripoff for a dial-up service"
"...learning that you can get on and off line without clicking 'no thanks' to advertising"
"...finally realizing that they can hookup up to high speed access for another 5 bucks a month without having to deal with bulky client software"
"...trying to set up 'parental controls' to monitor their children, only to find out that it's not a replacement for watching what you kids do"
"...finally getting sick of a TOS policy that amounts to nothing more than idiotic bullshit (I CAN TYPE IN CAPS AND NOT GET KICKED OFFLINE!!)"
I could go on. sadly.
I believe you mean "My virginity remains accounted for"
I don't think any redhat stock holders would mind seeing them turn a "microsoftish" profit for once.
Do you feel like you'll be given an unhindered chance to be 'free', Or do you think that the vague state of some US technology laws would be used against you if the opportunity presents itself?
Follow up to that question; are you more or less likely to work on a project that could be construed as a (for example) DMCA violation because of your past?
IN SOVEIT RUSSIA...
oh wait, that joke's probably the reason tensions are escalating.
So the Guy that developed this, do they call him "Mr. Lucky" ?
As far as the bedroom, I don't have a bedroom. My living room is filled with a $10,000 home entertainment system, walls of DVDs and CDs and books. There's a futon mattress on the floor (it's punk to go without a bed frame).
My bedroom is filled with a dozen or so machines and a half dozen 21" or bigger monitors, networking racks, fax machines, printers, scanners, digital cameras, technical books, portable air conditioner, $4,000 executive office chair, PS2, Xbox, second television, second stereo system, 1tb file server (for mp3s and movies) and lots of spare parts and ancient machinery.
And does your garage have a Benz that you ain't even drove yet? Because that's what you truly need.
Well, I'd suggest getting a girlfriend. They can be very helpful about the "release tension" thing, and a significant minority can even improve your "overall quality of life."
Getting a girlfriend for the purposes of stress relief and QOL improvement? Isn't that like switching to Windows for the purposes of stress relief and QOL improvement? I'm sure it's happened, But it's definatly not a guarenteed result.
Ahhh my young friend, it's all part of the grand Canadian conspiracy. Part of their thinly veiled attempts to make us believe that they too hate the French. Blowing up a french ship, the prominant use of french on billboards, Quebec. It's all a clever ruse.
...The City of Cincinnati has offered the Bengals another new stadium 'out in the suburbs.' Mayor Charlie Luken Deemed the new stadium a 'multi-use facility' and plans are in place to have the team moved within the next 90 days.
It was on a debit card, not a credit card. the hassel of trying to get what i lost back wasn't worth the effort. had it been my credit card it would've been simple to tell them to stop payment. As it stood it wasn't worth my time.
he forgot the /rant on the end of that 'article'
However, the author makes soem very good points. I had a pretty bad customer service experience that made me quit the game.
My January bill (jan 2001 i think.) was run twice. I had two deductions from sony out of my checking account. No big deal, 12.95 isn't going to drive me into chapter 11, but I still wanted my money. I call support and offer up the usual information, then the support guy starts getting ansy. He wants to know the cardholder information again.
I had purchased my copy of the game from a co-worker. he played the game a week, decided it sucked, and offered me his copy for ten bucks. What the hell, I bought it, fell in love with the game, and played for well over a year. But I wasn't the person who originally activated the account. I dumped all the original characters, and started anew.
A few months into my gaming experience i noticed that Sony had taken a major stance against selling characters and accounts. BFD, i wasn't planning on selling my level 20 cleric anytime soon.
But back to the support call. Once The tech finds out that I didn't buy the game from a sony authorized retailer, all support stopped. I didn't have an in game issue, I had a billing issue. Nothing. No help at all. Once he found out that I wasn't the original cardholder, he gave me the polite support equivilent of a "gofuckyerself." I'd had an extra 13 bucks taken from my account and there was nothing that I could do, or that they were going to do, to fix the problem. I'd played for well over a year, bought an expansion. But to them that and a buck would get me a cup of coffee.
Now, here's the amazing part. This is what'll get this modded up to 'interesting' or dare I say even 'insightful.' I CANCELED MY ACCOUNT! Yes, that's right. I had a bad customer service experience, and thus I took my money elsewhere. Suport was unresponsive, So I quit contributing to their salaries.
That's what really gets my goat about peopple who incessantly rant about how awful $GAME_OF_CHOICE is. They spend time ranting, raving, and bitching about how bad $ASPECT is, but they keep sending their fucking money. Don't like the econmics of the company? quit! think Necro's have an unfair advantage in melee? quit!
Granted, I've just spent a good deal of time ranting about a bad experience / aspect, but i actually did something about it. The author goes on and on about quitters being ridiculed by guildmates, sony being crack dealers, etc. Give me a goddamned 'Henry Rollins delux edition' clue by four so I experience the joy of getting addicted to clocking the author in the skull. Addicts my ass. Spend some time around a drug rehab center, then try calling a hardcore EQ player an addict.
Ridiculed by guildmates? If i was really worried about be made fun of by people I'll never see / meet / give more than passing serious thought to, then i wouldn't be posting to slashdot. The author of that 'article' is the EQ equivilent of a karma whore.
Beating the Matrix isn't that hard. Up down Up Down Left Right Left Right B A B A Start (the sequence he used to be Morpheus) gave him Thirty Lives. They just edited out the other 28 attempts to improve to flow of the film.
YMMV, but SBC Yahoo / Ameritech doesn't care about NAT. In fact they acknowledge that customers may be connecting more than one system in their customer support materials. The downsides:
-Non windows / mac OS support doesn't exist. They run a don't ask don't tell policy when it comes to multiple PC's, but you need a windows PC for them to do any sort of trouble shooting. (My guess says their support people are reading from a card)
-Installation (from the telco side) is intermittent. Some people I've talked to get setup in a couple weeks. My setup took just shy of three months. To be fair, my order went in just a few days after my area went DSL ready. half of their systems said I could have DSL, the other half didn't. I had two separate orders canceled by the compliance check.
SBC Yahoo may be a good option for your area. sure comparing it to Comcast / Roadrunner is like comparing genital warts to Leporasy (you don't really *want* either, but one's probably a bit easier to live with). It may be wrth investigating. I'm running wireless + two regular boxen and they (officially no less) don't care.
And if you do setup a network remember; http://www.coyotelinux.com, because if you buy a router from best buy, then the terrorists have already won.