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Major League Baseball Releases Webcasting Plans

TopShelf writes "With spring in the air, it's time to discuss the (US) national pastime. According to this story at CNN, Major League Baseball is planning to webcast 1,000 games this season. The interesting part is that in order not to violate TV blackout rules, they'll try to deny service to viewers who instead have local broadcasts available, using Quova's user-location service. At last, an opportunity to see my hometown Detroit Tigers more than once a year!"

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  1. Proxy by bradams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how they will deal with viewers via proxy?

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    1. Re:Proxy by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Why would you use a proxy to watch a crummy webcast of the same game thats on channel 6 live? It's a non-issue. This is just a show of good faith to the local TV broadcasters.

      TV blackouts are to prevent say a home town affiliate losing revenue airing baseball because it's on ESPN at the same time. As long as they arent broadcasting in the area of the blackout directly, then that's all they'd need to do.

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    2. Re:Proxy by jonblaze · · Score: 5, Informative

      According to the article, they will check the Quova results against the zip code for the credit card you provide to them. If there's a discrepancy, they will call you.

      And, if you're caught intentionally trying to circumvent the system, your credit card will automatically be charged $100.

    3. Re:Proxy by Jac_no_k · · Score: 1

      The article mentioned something about tying into the zip code on file for the credit card.

    4. Re:Proxy by Tolchz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where do companies get off thinking that they can be judge, jury, and executioner ?

      I wonder what Visa will do when you dispute a $100 charge on your credit card.

    5. Re:Proxy by Tuxinatorium · · Score: 1

      It's called freedom of contract, buddy. If you don't like it don't sign up at their site.

    6. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      after last years bif fuss and strike i could care less what baseball is doing anymore...

      hear that all you pro baseball players, you can all bite my butt...

    7. Re:Proxy by Pathwalker · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder what Visa will do when you dispute a $100 charge on your credit card.

      After you dispute the charge, MLB sends some "Customer Service Technicians" over to your house to give you a personal "Batting Demonstration" as part of the process to make sure that you are being "Serviced" to the extent that they wish.

    8. Re:Proxy by humblecoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually this is an issue here in the New York area. Most of the Mets and Yankees games are "broadcast" on cable. Plus NYC area viewers who subscribe to Cablevision don't even have the option of watching the Yankees because Cablevision refuses to carry the YES cable network. If you can't watch baseball over the air or on cable (in the case of the Yankees), then what is the point of a blackout?

    9. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      But the IP->geo-location schemes are lucky if they can get your continent right... Expecting them to not deny service to at least some people who aren't within broadcast range isn't realistic.

      Plus, what about people with internet access but no TV? I'm one of them, but I suspect that most of us (like me) don't care about baseball. Funny how that works...

      (TV/sports/stupid vs internet/smart/conceited)

    10. Re:Proxy by slouie · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter to them. They are just making a very basic attempt to preserve the broadcasting rights of each team. If you get through, they shrug their shoulders and say "well, we tried". Honestly. It's not really that much of a problem for them.

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    11. Re:Proxy by jonblaze · · Score: 5, Informative

      Your post is so three hours ago ;)

    12. Re:Proxy by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      It's good to know that the BLAZEMONGER "Customer Service" team members were able to find jobs after the dot-bomb crash.

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    13. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone else out there must get this reference, anyone........anyone.

    14. Re:Proxy by GLowder · · Score: 4, Informative

      Acutally, blackouts happen in areas which baseball teams consider their "home territory". The reason for the blackout is to enforce at least some people going to the games. Game not sold out, ok, then you can't watch it on tv at home, you shoulda bought a ticket. If the game is sold out, the game isn't blacked out in that "home" area. The problem is that baseball teams in particular claim HUGE areas as their "home territory", from which their fans travel to see games. We live ~4hrs drive time from our "local" pro team, yet based on our ZIP code, we're not allowed to see some of their games via our satellite dish. When I called and talked to them, they gave the reason above.

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    15. Re:Proxy by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      There are certain rights that cannot be signed away, even if you sign a contract...IANAL, but feel free to sign up and dispute it if you have a problem.

    16. Re:Proxy by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      um, there hasn't been a strike in nearly 10 years. Get over it.

    17. Re:Proxy by terraformer · · Score: 1
      Actually, what happens if I am travelling and want to check a webcast since the local (to where I am) is really foreign??? They will check my CC and see it has a local (to the game) zip code yet I am traveling and have a foreign (to the game) IP?

      Hmmm....
      Bud didn't think of that, now did he...

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    18. Re:Proxy by wdr1 · · Score: 1

      Where do companies get off thinking that they can be judge, jury, and executioner ?

      By you agreeing to the terms of service. If you don't like the terms of service, express you dislike to MLB or simply don't use their service.

      -Bill

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    19. Re:Proxy by antis0c · · Score: 1

      Since you signed or consented to the contract which stated they were.

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    20. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well then shit, why do they even bother with the ip address thing? why not just restrict by zip code for the creditcard?

    21. Re:Proxy by Tailhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Where do companies get off thinking that they can be judge, jury, and executioner?"

      So you have to watch it for free on the old fashioned tube if you're local. How tragic.

      Cut them a break. They have long standing contractual obligations to the affiliates. The alternative is to change nothing. Instead, they've arranged it so that this can happen despite the existing contracts. That's admirable. It opens the door to greater things.

      Imagine if this is actually successful. Baseball (tm) might discover that they can actually turn a nice profit in advertising. Maybe this leads to a day when the affiliates have less power at the bargaining table.

      Think 10-15 years out. The phone monopolies have finally been overcome. Everyone has enough bandwidth to stream live video from anywhere for close to free. All Professional Sports (world-wide, 24x7) will be pay-per-view events on competing virtual networks. Baseball's (tm) first tentative effort is merely a precursor to the inevitable. That they had to make this silly exception due to affiliate contracts means nothing.

      Chill, dude. It's all good. :)

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    22. Re:Proxy by cicatrix1 · · Score: 1

      You're attempt at a paradox has failed. I decline your beer. Email me for my shipping address =/

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    23. Re:Proxy by invenustus · · Score: 1

      They also exclude most college students. Let's see - a large demographic living far away from their home team, with lots of bandwidth, and some disposable income. Does this sound like a group we want to do business with? Nah - their credit cards are in the wrong zip code.

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    24. Re:Proxy by iocat · · Score: 1
      Baseball doesn't "black out" games when they aren't sold out -- that's football. Few baseball games sell out, and it's common practice to broadcast a local game locally, when you could easily go to the game yourself and get a ticket.

      It's football that blacks out the games locally if the game isn't sold out, because each game represents a wayy bigger % of revenue and they really, really want to get people to games.

      What Baseball "blacks out" is competing broadcasts. So, say Channel 36 has the rights to broadcast A's games. If the same game were going to be on ESPN that night, ESPN would have to black it out in Channel 36's broadcast area, because the local broadcaster has precedence.

      That's how the webcast blackout will work (or try to work). If the game is on the web, but also Channel 36 (aka Action Cable 6), you theoretically won't be able to watch it from your PacBell account in Oakland...

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    25. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw professional baseball... it's a crappy who's on top stays on top dynasty system anyway.

      They need to go the way that the NFL has gone where things end up being even so the same team over and over doesn't end up winning the world series...

      If you ask me, I'd rather they put helmet cams on every player so you could tune into an individual feed... so if you wanted to just see the whole game from the perspective of Derek Jeter, all the power to ya...

      Though it is pretty funny when you goto a baseball park and you realize how devoid advertising it is, because it's all digitally added on the fly...

    26. Re:Proxy by giantsfan89 · · Score: 1
      • Where do companies get off thinking that they can be judge, jury, and executioner ?

      Easy... they provide a product. You aren't required to buy it! The way to stop this is litigation or government investigation, or vote with your wallet (don't buy it!).

      • I wonder what Visa will do when you dispute a $100 charge on your credit card.

      Good point. Better to have Visa battle them.

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    27. Re:Proxy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought the problem was not that Cabelvision wouldn't carry YES. It was that YES insisted that they had to be a basic cable channel.

    28. Re:Proxy by icebike · · Score: 1

      4hours drive time is right next door!!
      The Mariners claim all of ALASKA, and have a
      lot of local fans here. I was never able to watch
      even ONE Mariner game on the trial project
      last World Series, because they were
      Broadcasting in Seattle.

      I watched a spring training NYY game this afternoon
      on high bandwidth. Fairly good picture too.
      But the want over $14 per month, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO WATCH THE ADS....

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    29. Re:Proxy by Sloppy · · Score: 1
      You're attempt at a paradox has failed. I decline your beer. Email me for my shipping address =/
      If you refuse my offer, then we don't have a deal, and I have no obligation to give you a beer.

      I learned my evil ways from the best: read a Microsoft EULA some time. It says if you reject their terms, you can just take the software back and get a refund. But if there are no terms, then there is no refund offer! Oops.

      No refund.

      No beer.

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  2. Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by TheFrood · · Score: 3, Funny

    From the article:

    At last, an opportunity to see my hometown Detroit Tigers more than once a year!

    Why on earth would you want to do that?

    TheFrood

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    1. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by mtcrowe · · Score: 1

      Ah -- if only the Tigers were more like the Red Wings, Detroit would be a happier town.

      Seriously, the only day of the year our brand new Corporate branded stadium is full is on opening day. At least our players get the benefits of being able to get some rounds of golf in before winter hits each year.

    2. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You have to understand - once every generation, the Tigers rise up and have a great team (1984, 1968, 1945, etc.). In the meantime, they usually fight hard and contend at least until the end of April. That, at least, removes any distractions from watching the Red Wings in the Stanley Cup playoffs...

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    3. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by Bonker · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here. Neither I nor anyone I know has any interest in watching pro baseball. This is despite being an amateur team photographer for an intramural baseball team and many other sports teams.

      MLB has so sullied its reputation and so alienated its marketbase with repeated strikes, criminal players, drug scandals, and other misdeeds that most everyone I know, even those who are strongly interested in sports, are simply no longer interested in baseball.

      Football, golf, NASCAR (Boo!), and even soccer are simply much more popular sports than baseball.

      Really, who wants to watch a bunch of steroid-ridden uber-jocks stand around and scratch themselves in a game with zero strategy and zero excitement?

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    4. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by kryonD · · Score: 1

      The real question is...is this a trend that will be spread throughout all pro sports, or is this just one of the death throws of a once popular sport trying desperately to find more fans?

      There's a reason why those stadiums aren't being packed anymore. Partially due to fscking over the fans with two strikes in the past decade, also partially due to other sports simply being marketed better.

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    5. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by llamaluvr · · Score: 1

      No, actually Comerica Park isn't being packed anymore because the Tigers lost 106 games last year.

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    6. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by cmallinson · · Score: 3, Funny
      Ah -- if only the Tigers were more like the Red Wings, Detroit would be a happier town.

      Are there any baseball players that old?

    7. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 1

      They had two strikes, I didn't notice after the first.

    8. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by tealover · · Score: 1

      You were an amateur team photographer?

      Wow. You were almost a ballplayer, I guess.

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    9. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by terraformer · · Score: 1, Funny
      Yeah, the last time the Detroit Tigers got national attention, Magnum PI was on primetime...

      (pssst, Selleck's char was a detroit fan)

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    10. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by Party+Remover · · Score: 1

      Really, who wants to watch ...(snip)... a game with zero strategy and zero excitement?

      I was right there with you in your criticism of MLB (the organization) until you demonstrated a total lack of understanding of MLB (the game).

      Excitement is a subjective thing and difficult to debate, but baseball is the most strategy-oriented of any of the four major sports, and you can take that to the bank.

      There are a dozen variables that can change on every single pitch. There's a reason why the "excitement" comes in short spurts between long moments of seeming inactivity -- there's a chess match going on during those pauses.

      How many outs? Who's up next? Who's on the bench? Who's on base? Who's available in the bullpen? Are they warmed up? What was the last pitch? Have the team's play signals (those funny arm motions) been compromised? How well does the guy in left field throw? Could he nail the second base runner at the plate on a hit to left? Will the runners go with the pitch? I could go on.

      How you could be a sports photographer of any description and not see that is beyond me. Or maybe you do get it, and don't see fit to refer to any of it as strategy...in which case you're just wrong. But it's OK to be wrong; this is America.

    11. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck the red wings and fuck detroit. like the yankees are doing to baseball, the wings (with the help of one or two more teams coughrangerscough) are going to be one of the major causes of this fucking stoppage of play hockey is going to have in a year. oh and all you bandwagon wing fans can suck my right testicle.

    12. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

      Not trying to start a flame war, just curious -- how can you boo NASCAR?!?! They're all down to earth, the crews and drivers exhibit sportsmanship that is unparalleled in sports, they go really really fast, have spectacular crashes (which recently haven't involved death, let alone major injury)?

      The only downside is that they're all whores for their sponsors, but that doesn't bother me, because the races are fun to watch! Seriously... I know, I know, they only turn left... FOX's NASCAR coverage really, really got me though, they make it exciting even when it's rain-delayed!

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    13. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ah -- if only the Tigers were more like the Red Wings, Detroit would be a happier town.


      Sure ... the ratio of smiles to teeth would be greatly increased.
    14. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by beerits · · Score: 1

      drivers exhibit sportsmanship that is unparalleled in sports

      You mean like Tony Stewart :)

    15. Re:Oblligatory joke for baseball fans... by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

      There's always exceptions, obviously :-)

      But at least none of the teams are 50% convicted felons ::cough::Dallas Cowboys::cough::..

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  3. Well, that's stupid. by sulli · · Score: 4, Interesting
    So I can watch all the other teams, but can't watch my own? And they expect me to pay eighty bucks for that precisely why?

    Blooming, blithering, drivelling, sputtering, drooling morons. But this is what we have come to expect from Bud Selig, unfortunately.

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    1. Re:Well, that's stupid. by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because you're a fan of baseball in general, or moved from your home town?

      And because your own team is on free-to-air TV in full motion, instead of some jerky lo-res webcast?

      And because it's much cheaper than the MLB/NHL/NFL packages services like DirecTV have?

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    2. Re:Well, that's stupid. by sulli · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Right. But a webcast of home games would be very useful on (for example) a work PC. And not every game is free-to-air - most local games are on Fox Sports Net, a cable channel.

      I think they wasted a ton of effort to do the geographic limitation. Why bother? Yes, broadcasters paid for exclusive tv rights, but this is a different medium. Getting people to pay for webcasts must surely be nothing but new revenue.

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    3. Re:Well, that's stupid. by jonblaze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Because baseball is still, ultimately, a business. Webcasting games in a local area will devalue the OTA/cable broadcasting rights.

      I don't think the webcasters will be able to carry the local network's commercials, so if viewers in the local area can bypass ads by subscribing to the webcast, then the networks will get less money for each advertising block. This, in turn, will reduce the amount of money that each team can get for its local broadcasting rights.

    4. Re:Well, that's stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So I can watch all the other teams, but can't watch my own?

      Yeah, you know, since it's so hard to turn on your TV/radio and watch/listen...

    5. Re:Well, that's stupid. by Mononoke · · Score: 4, Funny
      Right. But a webcast of home games would be very useful on (for example) a work PC.
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    6. Re:Well, that's stupid. by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Or, if he has a TV tuner card, he wouldn't even have to step away from the PC--just use a different piece of software.

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    7. Re:Well, that's stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Uh, I interpret that as "can't watch your own team when they are playing at home".

      This only makes it half as bad as you can only watch your own team play the away games on the webcast.

      For the home games, you have to go through the TV.

      The could, of course, make a package available which includes the home games-- for an extra price. No doubt the market gets to decide what the extra premium should be...

      But, given their track record, that idea might be too much for the likes of Bud Seilg and company...

      -cmh

    8. Re:Well, that's stupid. by ctwxman · · Score: 1

      The simple reason is, the local rights of games are not currently available for MLB to sell. That's because, these rights have already been sold exclusively to the current rights holder (Local TV, Fox network or cable networks). So, if MLB were to give us free and full open access (which is what I'd like) they'd have to deal with whatever would arise from their breach of contract.

    9. Re:Well, that's stupid. by Lawbeefaroni · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't underestimate the money and eyeballs involved in fantasy baseball. Fanatics will watch practically any game they can to see their or their prospective players play. This is precisely why you (well, not the parent on top, but someone) might want to watch games besides the hometeam's.

      People happily pay $80 season just for a service that gives you [freely available] stats and tells you their opinion of who is good and who isn't. Being able to catch the occasional game to do some "scouting" would probably be worth just as much.

      And, as amazing as it might sound, some people actually enjoy watching more than one team's games.

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    10. Re:Well, that's stupid. by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 1

      Want to watch your home team? Go buy a ticket, you bum. Honestly, if the game is sold out, there's no blackout. If there are still tickets available, go buy one if you want to see the home game. If you want to see your team at an away game...ta-da! Welcome to MLB.TV! I mean, really, it's not that bad...and for those of us who are also sports geeks (a rare and deadly combination), then this is a great way to keep up on our fantasy baseball players when they're all over the majors.

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    11. Re:Well, that's stupid. by sc00p18 · · Score: 1

      I AM TEH BOSS. muwahahahahahahahahahehehe.

    12. Re:Well, that's stupid. by CelloJake · · Score: 1

      I bet you'd be more productive during a webcast baseball game than while reading Slashdot!

      ha

    13. Re:Well, that's stupid. by rnturn · · Score: 1
      ``I AM TEH BOSS.''

      Next time, better get your administrative assistant to spellcheck your post.

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  4. Come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    As if anyone on Slashdot likes sports!

    1. Re:Come on... by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny

      Slashdotter's can like sports, it's just that most can't play them without causing serious injury to themselves and/or others...

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    2. Re:Come on... by Sloppy · · Score: 1
      I actually wear an Albuquerque Isotopes hat.

      Ok, I do it because I like how it looks and because I'm a Simpsons fan, but that's close to being a sports fan, isn't it?

      Zingers!

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    3. Re:Come on... by ehiris · · Score: 1

      Being a geek is no excuse for being unhealthy.

      But then again being a geek doesn't mean you have to be smart.

    4. Re:Come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shut up dirty stereotyping asshole. watch me land a slap shot right up your ass.

    5. Re:Come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Slashdotters can" = people who visit Slashdot are able to.
      "Slashdotter's can" = someone's toilet.

    6. Re:Come on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, the Albuquerque Isotopes are a real team.

    7. Re:Come on... by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      I know. I just told you: I wear their hat. Their first home game will be on April 11, I think.

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    8. Re:Come on... by sconeu · · Score: 0

      Hey! I play catcher on my local synagogue softball team! I'm in my third season.

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  5. that comment was not... by kingkade · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...posted with the expressed, written conscent nor implied oral conscent of major league baseball. Cease and desist!

  6. Foil hats... by pyrote · · Score: 4, Funny

    all we need is little foil hats and they wont be able to read our thoughts to see where we are.... they have satellites you know.

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    1. Re:Foil hats... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ideas were briefly intriguing to me and I might have subscribed to your newsletter, but then some overpaid slobs came out on my TV and started hitting a few zingers, and I got distracted. What's your point again?

    2. Re:Foil hats... by pyrote · · Score: 1

      bloody heck. it's a simpsons reference.

      Original Airdate on FOX: 3-Oct-1999

      % The family heads up to Bart's room, where the boy has been doing some redecorating. The ceiling is filled with wire hangers, each dangling from a string. Bart, wearing a trash can lid for a helmet, is busy wrapping himself in aluminum foil.

      Bart: You're probably wondering about the coat hangers. They're to block the satellite that's been spying on me.
      Marge: [with trepidation] Okay ...
      Bart: It can read your electric organizer from space.
      Homer: Even mine? [Bart takes it and smashes it] Hey, I had Lenny's name on that!
      Bart: They have it now.
      Lisa: Who are they, exactly?
      Bart: Who else? Major League Baseball.
      Homer: [loud whisper] Marge, I think Bart's gone crazy.
      Lisa: Oh, Bart, what's happened to you?
      Bart: Nothing yet, but the time draws near. [whips out a pair of pliers] Now let's get those fillings out of you!
      [Lisa screams]
      Homer: [takes pliers] Hey, you found my needle-nose pliers.

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    3. Re:Foil hats... by pyrote · · Score: 1

      DOH! I missed the reference this time, ahh well can't be perfect all the time.

      Although they call it dingers:

      McGwire: Young Bart here is right. We are spying on you, pretty much around the clock.
      Bart: But why, Mr. McGwire?
      McGwire: Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
      Crowd: Dingers! Dingers!

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  7. Olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a resonable comprimise. I wonder if the Olympics will follow suit?

    1. Re:Olympics by dharma21 · · Score: 1

      What do you mean? We can watch all the events excepts when our country's athletes are on?

  8. Other Major League Baseball Properties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    I was just doing a little google search for some reviews of MLB games on the Playstation 2. I'd like any suggestions from the Slashdot community. One feature I'd really like, but probably isn't around, is the ability to control a wide variety of teams from the past. All of the Madden games seem to have teams from past years available as playable teams but I haven't seen any good baseball games with this feature. Other than that, team management, franchise mode, and realistic gameplay are important to me. Thanks for any input you might have.

    Posting AC because this will be modded as off-topic, even though the topic is Major League Baseball and their electronic assets.

    1. Re:Other Major League Baseball Properties by Darth_brooks · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is usually due to the player's association's liscensing (sp) decisions. The NFLPA tends to be fairly loose about using the likeness of a past team, although many of the players from that era aren't accuratly represented, and the few that are usually show up because they don't have a limitation on the use of their likeness.

      For example, former Cleveland Browns Running back Jim Brown isn't listed as a player with the 1965 Cleveland Browns, but there will be a running back with the number 32 for that team.

      The ability to use "all time" teams could be disappearing in the near future. With the popularity of "throwback" jerseys, many retired players have begun looking into the idea of being paid likeness rights (or the jersey equivilent). In their defense, this is fair. Current players get a piece of the merchandising pie, while money from retired players just goes to the retired players association or, in some cases, a general pension fund.

      --
      There are some people that if they don't know, you can't tell 'em.
    2. Re:Other Major League Baseball Properties by MentosPimp · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It isnt for the PS2 so you may not be able to use it, but the best Baseball game on the Market is Diamond Mind Baseball.

      http://www.diamond-mind.com/index.html

      However, It is a Simulator, you only control decisions, not actual swinging/fielding/pitching.

      Their Previous Season disks cover an awful lot of team, almost all the Best Teams in history, as well as complete seasons.

      Otherwise, you may look for some ancient Warez Version of Earl Weaver Baseball for the PC. That had historical players as far as I can remember.

      Unfortunately, most of the recent Console Baseball Games have been crap. I am still looking for a Good one on PS2.

    3. Re:Other Major League Baseball Properties by spideyct · · Score: 1

      All-Star Baseball (multi-platform) is my favorite baseball series for PS2. It has a good balance of fun play and semi-realistic simulation.

      Supposedly the 2004 edition will include historical players, as well as historical stadiums and uniforms.

      Check out the official site for the details.

  9. Had enough (no troll, but still a rant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone lost interest in baseball? I mean, what a bunch of babies. They strike in what, 1995, nearly killing baseball off, but managed to recover thanks to the homerun battles of Sosa and Mac. Then, these pussies go whining about it again. Boo hoo, you don't want a salary cap, and want to raise the minimum wages, etc etc...

    Thanks Bud for allowing us to listen/watch to MLB on the internet, but I for one, have become put off by all that is going on in baseball these days. Especially you Bud Selig (sp?), why wouldn't you let them play in the all star game? That's just wrong, even when the players still wanted to play. Baseball is 9+ innings, not 7.

    Anyone else put off by baseball lately?

  10. ObSimpsons Quote by Metallic+Matty · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bart: "See, I told you Major League Baseball was spying on me!"

    McGuire:"Do you people want answers, or do you want to see me hit some zingers?"

    Crowd: "Zingers!"

    1. Re:ObSimpsons Quote by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 1

      McGwire

      Only on Slashdot would one of the greatest sluggers ever have his name spelled incorrectly.

    2. Re:ObSimpsons Quote by gowen · · Score: 1
      Only on Slashdot would one of the greatest sluggers ever have his name spelled incorrectly
      Actually it's much more widespread than that..
      --
      Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
  11. That's why you need a pot, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a pot next to my chair I can piss into. No leaving the computer for me!

  12. Re:baseball is t3h b0ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u r t3h f4660r+

    It's a real message I promise, and on topic: Babe ruth is the greatest, unlike this schmuck.

  13. effectiveness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the user-location service proves ineffective, what will the MLB do?

    • Denial "No, you can't see this webcast if you are from there, see what happens when I try?" "But what if --" "No, It works, there is no way around it."
    • Increased control attempts "Okay, now you can only view webcasts with our proprietary application while connected to our untamperable GPS receiver so we know where you are."
    • Eliminate webcasts Drop webcasts altogether
    • Eliminate blackout rules Yeah right
    • Make an exception "Webcast viewers get around the blackout rules, and we are okay with that"
    • CowboyNeal

    Speculation welcome

    1. Re:effectiveness by mxs3549 · · Score: 1

      If the user-location service proves ineffective, what will the MLB do?
      From the article:
      Quova's information would be compared with ZIP codes attached to credit cards used for payment, he said. When a mismatch is identified, customer service representatives will telephone users. Anyone caught intentionally circumventing the system will be banned and fined $100, automatically charged to their credit cards, Bowman said.

    2. Re:effectiveness by egburr · · Score: 1
      So what happens if I am visiting a friend in another state but want to watch a home game? TV may not be an option unless the friend subscribes to the proper channel. So, use the internet. When the customer service reps call my house to discuss the discrepancy between my IP address and my credit card, they will only get an answering machine. So, I am automatically fined $100 and terminated even though it was perfectly legitimate usage?

      I suppose it says somewhere in the contract that you are only allowed to access it from you home computer? Ridiculous!

      --

      Edward Burr
      Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a swimming pool.
    3. Re:effectiveness by mxs3549 · · Score: 1

      I looked into it last year when they started the pilot program, because I live in Cablevision's service area, and they refuse to carry Yankee games. You needed a credit card to subscribe, and if the zip on the credit card used to pay is in the local area you wouldn't be allowed to watch that teams games period. I image the deal is pretty much the same this year, and that they'll just use the IP locator to catch people who have friends or relatives in other states pay the fee and for them, and then watch local games. Normally I would say that a business wouldn't go around fining and banning customers just for not understanding and completely complying with an arcane terms of services agreement. But the after debacle that was the baseball season last year, I wouldn't bet on it.

    4. Re:effectiveness by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Make an exception "Webcast viewers get around the blackout rules, and we are okay with that"

      Hey, and why not? According to the submission the blackout rules apply to TV. Webcasts are not TV.

      Also, maybe if it were cheaper to actually go out to the ballpark and watch a live game, people wouldn't try so hard to circumvent the local blackout policies.

    5. Re:effectiveness by corian · · Score: 1
      So what happens if I am visiting a friend in another state but want to watch a home game? TV may not be an option unless the friend subscribes to the proper channel. So, use the internet. When the customer service reps call my house to discuss the discrepancy between my IP address and my credit card, they will only get an answering machine.


      That should work out fine. It's only a problem if you are HOME and thus watching something you shouldn't. If you don't answer the phone, then they'll assume you're somewhere else, watching the broadcast validly.

  14. Commercial Free? by digital_milo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unless they break away to commercials between innings, I'm not interested.

    Being bombarded by ads (either at home or at the game) has become as much a part of the beloved pasttime as the game itself.

    If they're not gonna let me be a part of that, then NO THANKS!

  15. They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by acomj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    mlb.com They have a java aplett or something that shows a baseball diamond, who's up, The score/ pitch count of every game. During the playoffs They were showing where each pitch was (With a box for the strike zone.)

    Its pretty incredible. Baseball is a very data intensive sport

    1. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by 1in10 · · Score: 1

      And yet still nowhere near as data intensive as cricket. :)

    2. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by Snowspinner · · Score: 1

      Everything is data intensive when you let geeks near it.

    3. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by lewp · · Score: 1

      In between sunning myself and throwing back various fruity drinks in Jamaica (vacation, almost forgot what those are like), I spent a week trying to grok the cricket matches that seemed to be on all of the hotel's TV channels 24/7. I never really got it. Baseball is perfect for stupid Americans like me :).

      --
      Game... blouses.
    4. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by pez · · Score: 1

      If you're interested, check out SportsLine.com's
      GAMECENTERs. Unrivaled coverage of live sporting
      events, for any sport, but *especially* baseball
      and football.

      SportsLine's home page

      Disclaimer: I work for SportsLine.

    5. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Case in point:
      http://www.baseballprospectus.com
      Warning - very have statistical analysis going on there, and in their publication. Major league clubs are beginning to slide towards more stats and less judgement based on how a player looks (don't get me wrong - there's a place for that as well, but not nearly as much as older philosphies would like).

    6. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      you guys have excellent scoreboards (my favorites on the web) but they tend to be wrong more than most other services. I'm not sure why this is. I could probably list some other suggestions if you were interested.

    7. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by pez · · Score: 1

      Would love to hear your suggestions... as far
      as the accuracy goes, we've measured it (since
      that is our business after all). I think you'd
      be surprised at the relative accuracy.

    8. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      oh, I'd say the accuracy is very good. As a sports gambler, I've watched countless games in detail on yours and other scoreboards.

      They are all great, but CBS tends to post an incorrect final score more likely than the others in my experience. They even have a reputation for it on many gambling forums. Sports bettors tend to notice if a score is 93-70 at one site and 93-72 at another. :-)

      That said, we are talking about the difference between 99.2% and 99.5%. The vast majority of the time CBS and the others are both correct.

      Hey, sometimes it works out for the best! Sometimes I'll check CBS to see that Duke won by 11 when in reality they won by 13, so my 12 point spread covered and I won the bet.

      As for more suggestions, I'm going to take tonight to mull on them, but I will post in response. I only have so much input for CBS sportsline because it is the best (in terms of software and site design, anyhow.)

    9. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by Cipster · · Score: 1

      It probably did not help that you were piss drunk the entire time :)

    10. Re:They already Cover every pitch on the web.. by lewp · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, it certainly makes baseball a hell of a lot better :P.

      --
      Game... blouses.
  16. Re:baseball is t3h b0ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    th4t m3ss4ge is so incredibly offtopic that it would not surprise me if a crusty-wanged pirate had written it. It totally makes me want to flip out.

  17. Good Faith ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like MLB has any clue about good faith or social responsibility. It is all about not getting sued for $$$'s.

    1. Re:Good Faith ?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good faith means not getting sued by $$$.

      It's ammunition in court, not altruism.

  18. da Chronic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have forgotten about da Chronic.. I think I got the CD around here somewhere.

    "Ya know dee?"

    "Who?"

    "DEEZ NUTZZZZZZ"

  19. Interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good idea, but I think the astronauts have a bag that attaches to their schlongs so they don't have to get out of their space suit. They don't even have to aim, they just go.

    I wonder what intern at NASA had to design/test that piece of equipment.

  20. I'd rather eat dirt under the bleachers by eap · · Score: 1
    Forget MLB. The real question is will they carry any Springfield Isotopes games.

    "You know, I never realized how boring this game is." --Homer

    1. Re:I'd rather eat dirt under the bleachers by gorilla · · Score: 1

      You mean Albuquerque Isotopes. They moved.

  21. Quova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know exactly how Quova works?

    1. Re:Quova by Stubtify · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All it takes is a good run of tracert and some know how of geography to be able to tell where someone is located at. When I want to know if people are full of crap I tracert them and check to see where the major hops stop, Usually around a big city and then a smaller city and u can trace from there.

    2. Re:Quova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But tracert only gives you ip addresses. What matches ip addresses to geographic locations?

    3. Re:Quova by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are several windows programs Visual Route and another I think is called NeoTrace, I'm sure there's something like this for Linux.

      --
      sig.
    4. Re:Quova by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I want to know if people are full of crap I tracert them

      What?? How does this let you know if people are full of crap?

      --
      sig.
    5. Re:Quova by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      if they traceroute through the sewage lines mentioned earlier on slashdot.

  22. Rather silly by unterderbrucke · · Score: 1

    Why exactly are they only broadcasting half the games, even with the national broadcast restrictions there should be a lot more games being broadcast.

    1. Re:Rather silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they have to have additional content to sell to the suckers willing to shell out even more cash to watch this shit.

  23. Re:baseball is t3h b0ring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u r t3h p1r4+3, bu++ p1r4+3

    Dimaggio doesn't play football, sucka.

  24. I tried their demo by Sleeper · · Score: 1

    And it does not work on my linux box. Real Player just gives "General Error" with no other info.

    --
    - Back off man. I am a scientist
  25. This is fucked up by Lord+Kestrel · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They make you pay a lot for it, and then won't let you watch local games? Not only that, but any time that there is a nationally broadcast game on ESPN, you can't watch any online games.

    How many people do they hope to sign up for this?

    1. Re:This is fucked up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They make you pay a lot for it, and then won't let you watch local games?

      Yeah, you know, since it's so hard to turn on your TV and watch...

    2. Re:This is fucked up by Soporific · · Score: 1

      As far as I know local games are blacked out unless the stadium sells out.

      ~S

    3. Re:This is fucked up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, most places will blackout a 150-200 mile radius around the stadium if they don't sell out.

  26. But there's a difference... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    between watching a live-web-stats broadcast (like we had to do when EE lab was during the world series) and actually watching the game live.

    Heck, listening to an animated announcer on the radio is better than seeing this slowly appear on your computer screen:

    Bottom of the 9th.... 2 outs.

    Jeter... takes ball 3, full count.
    Jeter: tripple. 3 runs in.

    Score: 7-7

  27. Bud Selig can bite me! by imadork · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Forget video on the web, what really steams me os the fact that they raised the prices of audio on the web again!.

    Years ago, the individual radio stations apparently owned the rights to the audio of baseball games, and I listened to them directly from their web site, for free (and heard the local commercials, too...) Then, I think it was about two or three years ago, MLB "found" the Internet and decided it should control all audio broadcasts. Of course, by "control", I mean "Charge $10/yr for what used to be free.".

    Last year, they raised the subscription fee to $12/yr. This year, they are apparently raising it to $19.95/yr. And after all that, they still have the local commercials! The commercials are supposedly paying for the broadcast, can't they have them pay for the Internet broadcast too?

    I understand that if they provided the service for free, there would be a lot more people using it, and bandwidth isn't free. But did bandwidth costs really go up 100% in the past two or three years? If not, I think a more likely explanation is that Baseball (indeed, all sports) are filled with greedy owners, spoiled players, and weak executives, and that the cost of being a fan will shortly get prohibitive for most people.

    1. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by immanis · · Score: 4, Funny

      ... I think a more likely explanation is that Baseball (indeed, all sports) are filled with greedy owners, spoiled players, and weak executives ...

      *gasp* You mean our beloved players don't play for the love of the game? The owners want _MONEY_? The executives are CLUELESS?!?!?

      I mean, no offense, but in what country is THAT news? "Professional Athletes, Owners are Spoiled, Want Money. Film at 11:00."

      FAR more interesting is re-reading your above line. Greedy owners, spoiled players, weak executives. Hell, it's no wonder it's America's passtime. It's a MICROCOSM for $DIETY's sake. With the Microsoft Yankees, the AOLTW A's, General Motors Giants, and let's not forget the Amway Cubs.

    2. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by MojoSF · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Worse than that, at least last year, you were required to use the RealOne player. I don't imagine that changed.

      The second time I got spammed with a pop-up window by RealOne, with no way to disable them, I called Real to cancel my MLB subscription.

      At least Real was prompt with the refund. Paying for it is one thing. Paying for it and getting spammed in return is unacceptable.

    3. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by XO · · Score: 1

      If I had mod points, I'd give this a couple plusses for Funny.

      --
      "Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
    4. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by imadork · · Score: 2, Informative
      I listen to the games on Linux. As far as I can tell, the "community supported" RealPlayer isn't a RealOne player, and yet the games work.

      I'm on the fence as to whether to subscribe this year. If they changed things so you can't listen to he games on Linux, I ain't subscribing.

      Incidentally, I just found out by reading the FAQ that they are offering a $12 package that just includes games from your favorite team. I might just go this route, since I never listen to any other games. To get it, you need to register from your teams' MLB.com website...

    5. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      its not 100% effective (and could end at any time) but I can still find small (usually rural) stations who feed their unedited broadcast onto the web. I know for a fact of a station where I can get KC Royals games like this for free.

      I'm sure its against MLB rules, but these people never seem to have gotten the memo, or any sort of equipment to block out the game from their webcast

    6. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by hotspur_fan · · Score: 1

      Here's my beef with MLB. mlb.com (which is powered by Sun no-less) lets you hear RealPlayer broadcasts of the audio games. Spring training is free and works great. Once the season starts it's a nominal fee but they use this RealPlayerOnePlusPlus bloated software that only comes on Windows. So I have no way to listen at work! I would gladly pay $20 to hear Cubs games all season.

    7. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by buckminster · · Score: 1

      No, as others have stated you can use an older RealPlayer client. I listened most of last season with v.8 and had no problems. The same seems to be true this year with the spring training games. But I agree, if they ever do require RealOne, I'll cancel my subscription immediately. A more ill behaved media client has not yet been created (although I'm sure WiMP will get there one day).

      BTW, in response to the root article, there's no way in hell I would pay MLB to watch games online. It's an absolute certainty that they'll screw it up. Their new media offerings last season (condensed games, etc.) were pretty bad. If I wanna watch that much baseball I'll shell out a few extra bucks and buy the DirectTV package -- Baseball on TiVo rules!

      one last BTW, the various posters who've commented on /.ers lack of interest in sports are missing the point -- Baseball is the ultimate geek sport.

    8. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by Telastyn · · Score: 1

      that sucks, you should switch to watching hockey. Every game (pretty sure every game) is audio-broadcast on nhl.com, both home and away radio (when available, it usually is, sometimes 2 different feeds [damned frenchies]) for free.

      iirc the commercial/tv timeouts are faded to nothing as well :]

      Unfortunately it's run by MSN, and likely requires IE/wmp... They have video too, but it's DRM'd and I've refused the updates. [pretty sure that's free too though]

    9. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      It has a lot more to do with greedy star players than greedy owners. When one guy can command $300 MILLION dollars for a 5 year contract, yet scale for everyday players (just as necessary as the stars, if not more so) is what now, about $200k?? Well, that's the biggest point where the system is being skewed. If you want to draw fans, you hold your nose and pay the star what he wants, or he goes elsewhere when his contract is up -- because there's always some large-market team that can and will pay what he demands. If that means ticket prices go up, tough. :(

      MLB has revenue sharing for teams in smaller markets, but even so it can't keep up with this escalating trend. It needs a *meaningful* salary restructuring (not just a cap, but a per-player cap).

      Side comments:

      1) I *hate* the new league and playoff structure. It negates the whole concept of the 162 game season.

      2) Baseball should be played on grass, in daylight. Football should be played in the mud.

      --
      ~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
    10. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by imadork · · Score: 1
      I like hockey, but I can't watch it until the second round of the playoffs. There's nothing more boring than watching a good hockey team massacre a bad one.

      Besides, the hockey team I'm closest to is the Sabres, unfortunately, although after growing up in NYC, I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Rangers...

    11. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by imadork · · Score: 1
      RealPlayer One is available on Mac OS X now. And I've used the "community-supported" Real Player (which isn't Real One) in the past on Linux without a problem, and don't expect to have a problem this season.

      The MLB.com FAQ says that you can use either Real One or Real Player 8. But I imagine its hard to find RealPlayer 8 unless you know exactly where you're looking. I can never find the "community-supported" Linux RealPlayer unless I google Real's site for it...

    12. Re:Bud Selig can bite me! by scarhill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So if ARod was making $75,000 a year, you think the owners would just reduce ticket prices, cable prices and webcast prices out of the goodness of their hearts?

      The owners charge what they charge in order to maximize their profits (or minimize their losses). Rest assured that they will continue to do that regardless of what they are paying the players.

  28. Um... by sielwolf · · Score: 1

    At last, an opportunity to see my hometown Detroit Tigers more than once a year!"

    Isn't that more like a form of punishment?

    --
    What is music when you despise all sound?
  29. Hello Mr Selig... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Baseball is 9 innings

    NOT 7!!!!!!!

  30. But... why would I want to? by Snowspinner · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why would I want to watch a baseball game streamed and compressed on a computer monitor when I could watch it in far better quality on my television? I mean, for the games that aren't shown locally, that'd be cool. But the rest? I can't imagine there would be demand to cheat the system...

    1. Re:But... why would I want to? by immanis · · Score: 1

      You must not work. Because nothing sucks more than being a sports fan (in my case, a hockey and now ex-Sharks) and being stuck at work while your team is playing a rival or is in the middle of a good game. Sure, I can tape it, but dammit (Jim) I want to see it NOW!.

    2. Re:But... why would I want to? by Snowspinner · · Score: 1

      Nah, I've just been TiVoing long enough that I no longer understand why you'd want to see anything that isn't Buffy the moment it airs. =)

    3. Re:But... why would I want to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES! Especially when ESPN starts broadcasting in HDTV with the season opener (in Japan I believe).

  31. Mlb website by arvindn · · Score: 2, Funny

    Slightly OT: the major league baseball's website http://mlb.com redirects you to "http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/homepage/mlb_ho mepage.jsp" ! Can you beat that? I've seen this on a web design hall of shame ;^)

  32. Oh my god, I have a story!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My friend and I were playing this song in his Jeep one time... ya know, just laughing at it cause it was so silly. Well, we were listening to it, and drove past a bunch of black guys... well they didn't like it, and looked over at us with the WTF-face.

    That's the fastest I think I've ever seen a Jeep Wrangler accelerate from the stoplight.

  33. Don't forget.... by djupedal · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The first radio broadcasts were essentially faked...the announcer was not at the park. He had someone relay him the bare facts over the phone, and he would add color commentary according to his imagination and experience with the game. Radio listeners thought he was at the game, and followed every word. This proved to be a hit, and broadcasters were eventually allowed to be inside the park for live action commentary.

    What does this have to do with broadbandcasts? Wait and see what content actually shows up on the net... Is it real, or is it Memorex?

  34. What is TubGirl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am at work, and afraid to click on that link. I take the same caution as I did with goat.se, never click, but wait for someone to explain what's at the other end. (even at home now that i know what it is, i won't click goat.se)

    Is TubGirl legit? Or something I definately don't want to be clicking on?

    1. Re:What is TubGirl? by Compact+Dick · · Score: 1


      If you're in Japan.

  35. whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you actually have niggers in your country??

  36. Block the Senators? by Chief+Typist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Considering a huge amount of traffic will appears to come from Virginia (AOL's big ass proxy) it's funny that there's no local team to block.

    1. Re:Block the Senators? by imadork · · Score: 1

      Isn't it Peter Angelos' job to "block" baseball in DC?

  37. The way the Tigers have been playing by RealTimeFreeAgent · · Score: 1

    once a year is one time too many. I have better ways to spend my time. Is there a webcast of paint drying somewhere I could watch instead?

    --
    "You get what you pay for after all." --
  38. Seriously Though ... by yamcha666 · · Score: 1

    Is it really worth watching the Tigers?

  39. What I'd really want by Darth_brooks · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Modern baseball tends to get boring. Over expansion has dilluted the talent pool so badly that (for example) pitchers who *might* have made the big leagues twenty years ago as part time relievers are now full time, middle rotation starters. Boring, home-run derby ball.

    If they really wanted to churn up a buck they could make available radio broadcasts of 'old time' games. Even better, make them freely available as a move to generate interest in the sport. Think of the benefits and possibilities.

    One, you've got MASSIVE amounts of content. IF you got back to the pre-WW2 era you're looking at 20+ clubs playing over 144 games per year. You've games from hall of famers like mickey mantle, ted williams, or jackie robinson playing. This could introduce a younger audience to people they've only heard stories about.

    Two, Niche markets and fan base expansion. I live in michigan and have been stuck with the piss poor tigers. Yet, I'm a big fan of the cubs thanks to having WGN tv. Image being able to equally expose all 32 teams in all markets. Long term you could see an overall rise in attendance (fans going to their local park to see their favorite out of state team).

    As for niche markets, I'm also brooklyn dodgers fan. The team moved out of new york around the time my father was born. Yet I'd love to sit back on a summer day, and listen to a brooklyn dodgers game. I can't be the only one like this.

    Third, and finally, Color. Listening to a game today sounds boring. Most teams have radio annoucers with communications degrees. They call baseball games until they can get a job as news casters. In the 'good old days' you had guys like Harry Carey, or Ernie Harwall who made the most boring baseball game a work of art. There's a great oral history and tradition in baseball. Most of it is lost on guys now. Those intersting, non sequitor stories than a broadcaster can tell during a dull game are what separate the good color men from the bad. think of the stories that are sitting in a vault rusting away right now.

    An added benefit of making the old school games available is that you'd have to transfer them off of whatever media they're stored on now (probably steel wire or even wax in some cases, certainly magentic tape for the majority of games) is that you preserve the games for the ages.

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    1. Re:What I'd really want by XO · · Score: 1

      Agreed, Re: Ernie Harwell.

      I'm glad that Al Kaline is at least working for the team, even if he and Harwell are not broadcasting anymore. I actually haven't been able to listen to the games anymore since it changed from George Kell/Ernie Harwell/Al Kaline as announcers. To me, THEY were part of what made baseball so great... of course, the only memory I have of my father ever being genuinely obviously happy was when the 1984 Tigers just obliterated every other team that ever existed.
      But I was a Tigers fan right up from then until I grew up, got a job, and moved (actually moved TO Detroit.. but have only been to one game.. thankfully it was in Tiger Stadium.. I'm afraid of Comerica Park... lol) and haven't had time to pay attention to the Tigers, since I work in the day.

      Now it's the Red Wings, since I can catch them at work if necessary, and that's not usualyl since the games are almost always on after work hours.

      In any case, without those three announcing the pitches, I just turn the volume off of whatever game I happen to catch when I do catch a baseball game. I haven't found any other announcers that sound even close.

      My dad and I used to listen to the AM Radio in his old beat up pickup truck, and i could see the whole game as if it were playing on TV in my mind.. amazing.

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    2. Re:What I'd really want by jeffy124 · · Score: 1

      re: listening to the game

      I recommend listening to a few innings of Harry Kalas (especially home run calls), broadcaster of the Phillies. He was inducted to the Hall of Fame last August, and was described as a man whose voice stirs excitement by reading the phone book. Kalas generally does innings 1-3 & 7-9 & extras on TV, 4-6 on the radio.

      I think the next Harry Carey caliber broadcaster is out there and will be found.

      IMO - the best broadcasters are those who dedicate themselves to one team (like Carey did for the Cubs, Kalas for the Phils), not those national guys who come in and do a weekly game of the week.

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    3. Re:What I'd really want by humblecoder · · Score: 1

      Reading your post, I am reminded of a line from the Billy Joel song _Keeping the Faith_:

      "The good old days aren't always good. Tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems."

      Yes, the game of baseball has changed over the years, but that doesn't make it better or worse - just different. Baseball goes through periods where offense dominates and periods where defense dominates, depending on various factors. We've had eras where hitting over 400 was not uncommon. We've had dead-ball eras. We've had a period during the 70's and 80's where only 2 people hit over 50 home runs. And now, we have an era where hitting over 50 home runs is considered commonplace. Given this trend, it is likely that this too will pass and defense will dominate again.

      As far as announcers go, there are plenty of "old school" style announcers on both radio and television. These men carry on in the tradition of the Harry Carey's and Mel Allen's. You just need to give them a chance and not ignore them because they aren't the people with whom you grew up. Also, even though there were a lot of gems back in the "good old days", I'm sure there were a lot of dull announcers too. It's just that their dullness is lost in the annals of broadcasting history.

      It's funny how nostalgia colors our view of the past (don't get me wrong - I am guilty of this as well).

  40. The only way I'd go to an MLB game by leviramsey · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is on "one free beer for everybody in the stands per player who tests positive for steroids night".

  41. reply to article by XO · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be more than happy to send you digital copies of the Detroit Tigers games, if you supply me with the hardware to get it into one of my Linux boxes. :-)

    Of course, watching a Detroit Tigers game probably isn't going to be all that interesting, though with Trammel, Parrish, and Gibson behind the scenes now, it should at least be better than the last few seasons! All we need is Mr. Sweet Lou Whitaker back.

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  42. Great news for an Expos fan like me by Space+Coyote · · Score: 0

    Wow, I can't wait for this. I've bought the audio package ($15/year) the last couple of years so I could hear Expos games, which don't get much coverage, even here in Canada (no wonder they're having a hard time staying around, the Toronto-centered Canadian media doesn't even acknoledge their existence)

    Anyway, even if they're only around for one more year, it will be great to see a few of their games now and then.

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  43. Why I won't subscribe by Pettifogger · · Score: 1

    Somehow, beer and hot dogs are just not the same while sitting in front of the computer. And won't you feel like an idiot singing by yourself during the seventh inning stretch? Then again, at least my computer chair isn't sticky and parking is free at my house.

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    1. Re:Why I won't subscribe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      are you sure the sticky chair part is true for many other slashdotters? :P

  44. mod parent up !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    true - mod this up

  45. I've already had bad experiences w/ MLB broadcasts by stomv · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, between fall 2000 and fall 2001, this American was living in Ireland. As a NY Mets fan, I was addicted to watching the game on espn.com and listening via webcasts.

    Then the trouble began. About a month into the season, it just stopped working. I talked with the SysAdmin at the Irish University I was at (DCU), and nothing had changed with the ports/firewalls/whatever.

    Clearly something changed at MLB. I emailed all the different addresses I could come up with, and didn't get a single human reply. They had no problem charging me $10 (advertised $9.95, but they threw in a nickel for "shipping" -- don't get me started on that one), but they never fixed the problem, addressed it, or offered me a refund.

    So, I wouldn't buy the service. They screwed me over by (a) not fixing the service when it stopped working, (b) overcharging me for their service, and (c) having the balls to charge for shipping a streamed audio over the Internet.

    Screw them.

  46. Business (Re:Well, that's stupid) by slouie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Almost right on target. Webcasting would not devalue the broadcasting rights, but does violate them. Each team "owns" the broadcasting rights to their home games. That's a LOT of money. The Yankee Corporation get about $1/month for every person subscribed to their basic cable channel, Yankee Entertainment System (YES). MLB cannot broadcast a competing product without violating their contract, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CHEAPER TO WATCH IT ON CABLE. That is, very few people will watch the Yanks in NYC via the MLB webcast, but MLB has to make some effort to insure YES that they are not undercutting them. It's the appearance of preserving the rights of individual teams rather than appear as a "rival" to them.

    All advertising will probably be blacked out or replaced with a "filler" screen so there is no legal problems from that end.

    The big losers for this will people who would like to watch the game from work within the "banned" radius. The internet radio version of this was great for people trapped in buildings with no reception. Too bad the MLB got involved and let their lawyers loose on the "implications."

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    1. Re:Business (Re:Well, that's stupid) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prolly wouldn't watch a game at work, but I certainly enjoyed listening to the radio webcasts.

  47. Baseball has a history of this by leviramsey · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For a long time, not one of the three teams in New York (the Yankees, Dodgers, and Giants, of course) would allow radio broadcasts because they were afraid that radio would damage the ticket sales.

    1. Re:Baseball has a history of this by Acidic_Diarrhea · · Score: 2, Interesting
      That's not true! There was a time period where this was the case BUT a "long time"?? No way.

      It was quickly realized that augmenting ticket sales with radio adverts helped pay the bills and the strategy was quickly adopted. There's always an initial hesitation to advances in technology in professional sports but I think the MLB has been fairly good about adopting technology rather quickly. There was certainly not a long period of time where the New York teams weren't on the radio.

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    2. Re:Baseball has a history of this by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      They first got into radio in the mid-30s or so... about 15 years after commercial radio.

  48. Re:Watch the Tigers ??? by EMUPhysics · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The toughest part about watching Tigers game is knowing that the payroll from last year opening day was about $55,000,000. The Red Wings, the greatest team on the planet, has a payroll of $66,085,756 (as of Feb 14th). Hopefully Tram can turn things around.

  49. linked thoughts on the licensure of ... everything by timothy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The technology is there for people to broadcast Max Headroom-style (or maybe Gargoyle-style) 1st-person singular video accounts of things like -- for instance -- baseball games, complete with commentary, stats and mugshots gathered instantly from Google, overlaid local weather conditions scraped from the Weather Underground ... (Why don't more notebooks have built-in video cameras? Seems an idea worth having other than as a novelty.) Right now, the effect (if done in near-real time on a middle-class budget) would be a lot like the old Quicktime postage stamp movies, since the Good Stuff in the way of cameras, mics, editing programs and the requisite computer platform would cost way too much to look professional, but look 3 and 10 years down the road ...

    However, it's a bit like buying a DVD (and finding no legal way at present -- someone correct me if that's no longer true -- to view its content on other than an annointed operating system (Mac OS or OS X, Windows ... Solaris? Bueller?). Fine print (maybe a placard you walk past in line on the way into the ballpark, or on the ticket you buy) that says you can't even narrate over a cell phone to a friend what you're seeing from the stadium seats. No contract, though there is (arguably meaningful) consent: you could decide not to attend the game, or not to buy the DVD, etc. The music industry doesn't want you to rip your CDs and listen to them other than from the original media, Jamie Kellner doesn't want you skipping commercials, etc etc ;)

    What's worse than the present situation (where so many hidden and esoteric rules hold sway) is even worse to my mind: I forsee an increasing flood of fine-print, sir-don't-worry-about-these-technicalities, but BOY do we have some technicalities to go through before you can eat here / walk through the museum / sketch trees in the park / take note of the fine and copyrighted smells in our greenhouse. More formal "licenses" not just on software, but everywhere, minor Gotchas which don't just prohibit illegal for-profit exploitation of copyrighted works, but ever more of the *normal* things which common sense currently holds to be among the rights of customers ... maybe soon DVDs really *will* carry a shrinkwrap license that says by purchasing you agree not to play the contained movie except on sanctioned equipment. [I'm not talking about re-selling unauthorized copies or arranging free local showings for admissions -- just *watching* them, say, on a computer running Debian.] CDs would carry licenses that say "This product may only legally be played three times before self-destructing. Attempts to prolong the life of the music it contains is a prosecutable offense under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. Bummer about fair use, ha ha."

    timothy

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  50. MLB TV blackout rules are out of date by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The interesting part is that in order not to violate TV blackout rules, they'll try to deny service to viewers who instead have local broadcasts available, using Quova's user-location service.

    IMO the MLB tv blackout rules are an anachronism of a bygone era.

    Besides preventing national broadcasts from competing with local broadcasts (which is arguably a "good thing") they also force fans who live outside the broadcast/must-carry range of the local station to pay outrageous Pay Per View charges to watch their favorite team.

    If I was a bad citizen, I'd consider modifying my sattellite TV receiver to allow me to get out of market local channels as locals... Not that I would ever do that, of course.
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    1. Re:MLB TV blackout rules are out of date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I was a bad citizen, I'd consider modifying my sattellite TV receiver to allow me to get out of market local channels as locals... Not that I would ever do that, of course.

      Dude, you need a new HU card...

    2. Re:MLB TV blackout rules are out of date by dpille · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IMO the MLB tv blackout rules are an anachronism of a bygone era.

      I completely agree. What fascinates me is that the league will complain about the precarious financial health of the sport, but they can't seem to adjust their broadcast/delivery scheme to actually collect money from those willing to pay. Why on earth would you ever black out an interested/paying customer?

      The webcasting blackout thing is yet another example of how mlb can't get it's act together on this. The product should be baseball, and a fan should be able to choose their own convenient medium. Instead, the league sells the media: buy our webcasting so you can get a few games, buy our hollow-sounding audio feeds so you can hear the radio broadcast before the sun goes down, buy our satellite package (but we hope you have local cable for when we black you out), oh, and keep that analogue antenna around.... It's no wonder they're in trouble when a fan like me with ready money can't get the games I want in the format I want when the announcers and cameras are there anyway.

  51. Stupid blackout system by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Makes no sense.

    Not all hometown fans can make it to the game - sometimes they have to WORK.

    But they would like to watch the game while they work, but they can't, cuz it's blacked out.

    Yes, you get less money from a fan watching TV than from a fan at the game, but you annoy your fans who can't get to the game, and you prevent potential new fans from getting interested.

  52. I'll show you my proxy if you show yours by wytcld · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Since we're in different towns, and both signing up for this service, if I proxy it for you and you for me we've both got total coverage. I'm perfectly happy to connect to you for this through ipsec. They'll never know.

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  53. CORRECT obvious Simpsons quote by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1
    Bart: "See, I told you Major League Baseball was spying on me!"

    McGuire:"Do you people want answers, or do you want to see me hit some zingers?"

    Crowd: "Zingers!"

    Uhh... It's "Dingers".

    Zingers are cheap, knock-off twinkies...
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    1. Re:CORRECT obvious Simpsons quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also, the mac quote is more like "So, do you people won't to hear the horrifying truth or watch me hit some dingers?"

  54. They still play baseball? by djtrippin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You arent missing anything by not catching the tiger games. I can recap all 182 of their games last year for you - "Tigers Lose" - Copy that into notepad and paste it 181 times and you'll have the 2002 tiger report.

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    1. Re:They still play baseball? by tweek · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't this apply for the Lion's as well if the NFL were to attempt this?

      The Red Wings, however, are another issue ;)

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    2. Re:They still play baseball? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      there are 162 baseball games a year, jackass.

    3. Re:They still play baseball? by djtrippin · · Score: 1

      Ahem, spring training. With the tigers there is no distinction between spring training games and reg season games. They're all losses. Do the math next time.

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    4. Re:They still play baseball? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      Ahem, spring training. With the tigers there is no distinction between spring training games and reg season games. They're all losses. Do the math next time.

      The Tigers played 31 Spring Training games last year. That would bring the number to 193. So you're still wrong.

    5. Re:They still play baseball? by djtrippin · · Score: 1

      Very well, Baseball has degraded to a point that it's not worth my time to pay that close attention to the sport as a whole anymore, much less the tigers...

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    6. Re:They still play baseball? by FunkSoulBrother · · Score: 1

      I've come to the personal conclusion that a good chunk of those who are "so fed up with the degradation of baseball" never liked it much in the first place.

      That or they are a bit nostalgically deluded about how great the 30's or the 50's or the 70's were in MLB.

    7. Re:They still play baseball? by djtrippin · · Score: 1

      Nah, I never liked it much in the first place. Used to watch, gave up on it.

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  55. Another way to go about webcasts by Space+Coyote · · Score: 4, Informative

    The CART ChampCar World Series has a really nice feature on their website that lets you watch all their races for free. The catch is that they don't put them up until 5 days after the race is brodcast on CBS or SpeedTV, but it's still nice to be able to actually watch the race for those of us without cable. No ads, either.

    It's just really cool to see a sport actually doing sometihng for the fans and not just as a cash grab.

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  56. COOL!!! by pyrrho · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... next I hope they start doing this for sports.

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  57. Minor league! by Bowling+Moses · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who gives a rip about major league anymore anyway? The games are boring as hell, your tickets cost at least $50, a beer and a brat another $12 or worse...and who only wants one beer at a ballgame. And who could forget the lovely seating for the fans...half a mile from the damn diamond.

    You want real damn baseball, you go to your hometown minor league club. Sit right behind homeplate for $6. $3 for a brat and another $2.50 for a great American MACRObrew. None of that microbrew shit where some pretentious nitwit makes comments like "..a deliciously hoppy body and a crisp bite on the tongue. The nose is that of lemon rinds, and the tasting follows through with a light citrus flavor that cleanses and refreshes the palate..." wanker. Cheer when the pitcher beans a batter in the head for the 7th time in the game. Jump in your seat when a popup fly clangs into the roof of the stands. Get pissed drunk. Taunt the other team and listen to them curse. Moon the mascot if there is one. Yell at the kids. Then stagger home. Minor league's all about mom apple pie and america (and beer). Major's about subway series where no matter what New freakin' York wins, corporate greed, and rich assholes on the team, owning the team, and in the good seats. Screw 'em.

    1. Re:Minor league! by Party+Remover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You want real damn baseball, you go to your hometown minor league club.

      Preach it.

      I've been a New York Mets fan for 20 years, but I've sworn off consciously giving any money to MLB in the wake of 1) the threatened strike and 2) the abusive strongarm bullshit that the Mets pulled on their most prominent fan site last summer.

      The New Jersey Jackals play in a stadium 10 minutes from my house. Parking is $2 (Mets: $10). Box seats four rows off the third base line are $8 (Mets: N/A. Those seats aren't available for public purchase, i.e. "you gotta know someone"). A hot dog is $1.75 (Mets: $4.50. And the last one I had was cold, for God's sake).

      Tired of overpaid, prima donna athletes? The Jackals' best pitcher last year recently informed them that he won't be available to pitch at the start of this season...because he took a job teaching high school science in upstate NY, and he has to finish the school year. You can't help but cheer for these guys.

      Last, but not least, the concessions sell good beer at normal bar prices. What's not to like? I'm getting myself all worked up for the Northeast League season just by typing this.

      Mets fandom is a hard habit to break, and I'll probably still listen to some games on the radio or catch some of the relatively few still available on free TV. But I'm not buying any MLB tickets this year...ditto merchandise. And I cancelled Fox Sports NY from my cable company.

      If you're a MLB fan and you live near a minor league team, do yourself (and the minor league players) a favor and check them out. It's a whole different scene, and you don't know what you're missing.

    2. Re:Minor league! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Or even a decent college team. When I lived in Santa Clarita CA, I'd go to the College of the Canyons games a couple times a week. Minor league even as college teams go, but well-coached, well-played, well-officiated, and every seat was FREE and right behind home plate.

      There was a kid at The Masters College who'd pitch the first game of a double header, then catch the second game without losing a step. Wonder what became of him? Helluva arm by any standards.

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    3. Re:Minor league! by Bald+Wookie · · Score: 1

      Even little league is fun. My wife and I used to walk to games held at the school next door. Sometimes the players are so bad they have to resort to creative strategies. One game had a catcher who just couldn't throw. The other team started stealing on every pitch. The pitcher had an OK move though, and if they weren't paying attention he'd just pick them off. Once the other team got wise, he started pitching out so the catcher had a chance to make the throw. Eventually the other coach took the steal off and things settled down for a bit. Some of the parents got keyed up, but for the most part people were just kicking back and laughing.

      Sometimes it's nice to sit in the big blue room and watch people play the game for the joy of it.

    4. Re:Minor league! by MacBrave · · Score: 1

      Amen to that! Last summer I took my son to see a Detroit Tigers game while we were in town visiting inlaws. While Comerica Park is nice, the costs are outrageous.

      However back in Indiana, going to an Indianapolis Indians game is a blast. They play in one of the best minor league parks, Victory Field, and the cost if less than half of a major league team. And the Indians usually have a pretty competetive team so the games are entertaining.

    5. Re:Minor league! by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's pretty smart strategy for little leaguers, to adjust that way to take advantage of whatever talent they DO have. I've seen big leaguers who can't manage it.

      Yep, sometimes it's just more FUN to watch players who have zero chance in hell of making the big show, but are just playing with their hearts. That's one reason I preferred little College of the Canyons to CSUN games -- CSUN drew ML scouts and everyone knew it, and played more to avoid mistakes than to do well. CotC was lucky to draw moms, and no one there played for any reason besides having a good game *today*.

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    6. Re:Minor league! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wanna talk about pretentious nitwits you should take a look at the folks brewing your 'macro-brew'... you've nailed with the comment about the baseball.. take it another step and find yourself a good minor-league hometown beer.. life will be so much better. I dare you.

    7. Re:Minor league! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. Actually, Spring Training has the same feel. Small, intimate ballparks; inexpensive seats, a "family feel" to the thing.

      I was visiting my folks in Phoenix and caught a few games. I commented that this was how Baseball was supposed to be.

      Major's about subway series where no matter what New freakin' York wins

      Except the Angels won. (Yeah, I know Disney owns 'em).

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  58. walkout by Natchswing · · Score: 2, Funny
    > Major League Baseball is planning to webcast 1,000 games this season.

    However, MLB plans to go on strike after the third game, thus reducing the total number of webcast games.

  59. percentage of games broadcast by sc00p18 · · Score: 1

    162 games a piece (for the regular season), and 30 teams gives us 2430 games. So broadcasting 1000 games is about 41%. Not too bad, I'd say.

  60. Low bandwidth requirements by osgeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Since so little actually happens in a baseball game, the compression ratio should be pretty nice, meaning low bandwidth requirements.... cool. :)

    1. Re:Low bandwidth requirements by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 1

      Seriously though, I've looked at their demo games and they expand to 1024x768 really nicely....

      Which gives me pause and concern about MLB's ability to keep up with bandwidth demands once the season is in full swing and they have big games like Red Sox vs. Yankees (which will be their first game online...I guess they want to stress test the system early).

      I've seen big guy's get slashdotted, like a 386 serving across a 56K modem, when they try and do something huge like streaming video service. Just look at about every MMORPG in its first week. I hope MLB knows what it's getting into because I see alot of people taking advantage of the price and availability (I think most games will also be archived for later viewing as well).

      I'll just stick to the audio for now...thanks.

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  61. Webcasts by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    WWE already webcasts their pay-per-views, and while NASCAR doesn't do webcasts, you can access telemetry from all the cars in the Winston Cup races, and see a ton of real-time data on the races while you watch it on FOX (or ABC later in the season) using their TrackPass site features.

    I'm not particularly excited that MLB is doing it. It sounds to me like another desperate ploy to get fans back after they abused us with their "I deserve more money even though I have enough $100 bills lying around to wipe my ass with for the rest of my life" spoiled rich boy player strikes.

    Forget baseball -- NASCAR is the new national pastime.

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    1. Re:Webcasts by filmcritic · · Score: 0

      NASCAR definately goes all out with the high tech gadgets and such. It's kinda strange though, that a "sport" which has a super strong redneck-hick fanbase would offer all sorts of technical wizardry on their website. Relatives of mine (long time nascar fans) always ask if I've ever looked at all that stuff they offer during a race. I have to answer no due to the fact that 4 hours of gaudy cars going in circles isn't appealing to me at all. But you are absolutely correct in saying it is the new national pastime, however sad that may be.

  62. Baseball easy to compress? by frankthechicken · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've always thought that sports such as Baseball and cricket would be the ideal choices to initiate web broadcasts. Mainly because the majority of action takes place on a (relatively) static screen, and so could presumably be reasonably well compressed compared to faster moving games(in terms of both the sport and the camera sweeps used) such as basketball or soccer.

    1. Re:Baseball easy to compress? by AliasMoze · · Score: 1

      ...and staring contests.

    2. Re:Baseball easy to compress? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when it takes 4 hours to finish a game, you can safely say that webcast can be done by a snapshot jpg every 5 minutes

  63. ok, time for workarounds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    What do we need to do to get around this? Some type of ip swapping/spoofing of other areas? I'm on the east coast, so I'll swap with San Diego fans?

    get to work techies, the clock is ticking...

  64. Is baseball a sport? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is baseball even a sport? Watch football & hockey.

  65. they already do this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Um... are you looking for this?
    http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/baseballs _best/m lb_bb_home.jsp

    It's part of their "whole shebang package" (not the real name), which i got last year, and recently renewed.

    You wax pretty nostalgic for this, but apparently you never went looking for it. It is pretty cool. They have video, too. I watched the Bucky F. Dent game on video a couple of weeks ago when the snow in NYC had me bumming.

    1. Re:they already do this. by Darth_brooks · · Score: 1

      That's the first I've heard of it, thanks for the link.

      The selection is still pretty spotty, considering the collection they've got to drawn from.

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  66. MLB Stinks by NullProg · · Score: 1

    Not only that, but this article also stinks.

    Check out the link here:
    http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/sp orts/53 68622.htm

    Most teams will black out all games involving those in a fan's home market. But the Royals are one of three teams who will allow some of the normally blacked-out games to be shown to fans locally.

    Why pay for the MLB when the NFL is free?

    Sorry, gulp, drink | more beer.
    Enjoy

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  67. somewhat offtopic by Mantorp · · Score: 1

    the pga tour and IBM has teamed up on cool thing called Tourcast.
    They have 2 lasers per hole to display where on the course each players' ball is within a few centimeters.

  68. heres some flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    moderate this!

    If america sucks so much, and europe is what we should be modeling ourselves after, then why, why, why is this article about BASEBALL webcasts instead of SOCCER (er KICKBALL er EUROPEAN FOOTBALL) webcasts. Cause nobody would watch a SOCCER webcast. Nobody in America watches baseball anyways, but its still more popular. And an American football team will beat any Europeeeing Soccer-kickball team at ANYTHING ANYTIME... I always thought it would be cool to see Barry Sanders, Brian Urlacher, Randy Moss etc playing aussie football... they would destroy everybody... IF they tried kickball they would probably destroy everyone just the same...

    too bad the dumbass communist moderators cant see the truths in this post, so I guess I better go AC. But the main point is: Baseball gets webcasted. Its like the third most popular sport here in the US. But it gets webcasted cause USA kicks europes ass.... maybe in 20 years or so there will be soccer webcasts... sucks to be a euroPEEan...

  69. Also Streaming Audio for $20/season by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 1


    I just wanted to point out that you can also get the audio feed for every game in the nation for only $20/season. This isn't as big a deal for local games, but when you're following 22 fantasy players or your home team is on the road for a week, it's money fairly well spent.

    The NFL still offers these feeds for free..but I guess $20 isn't too bad for more than a thousand games. And the audio feeds go silent for commercials (since radio commericals are local feeds)...so you only hear the game, which is also a bonus.

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  70. no worries by jarnies · · Score: 1

    the article mentions that folks in the hometown area have the option of watching the blackout games 90 mins after they end. much better than not being able to watch them at. the system isnt perfect (i want all the games broadcast since the twins dont get the exposure they need, and its not free) but its a step forward. im abroad so it will be nice to see some american baseball again...

    ...go twins!

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  71. Re:STEPHEN KING FOUND ALIVE IN UTAH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started a new troll trend! I rule! Yeah!

  72. Baseball Visualization Video Game by bigperm · · Score: 1

    You should check out Hit the Pros http://www.hitthepros.com/ They take pitch telemetry data after each baseball game and drop it into an online 3d video game so you can hit the same pitches that were thrown that night. I think Fox Sports is behind it...

  73. why bother? by mayoff · · Score: 1

    Baseball is fifteen minutes of action packed into three hours.

  74. Blackout laws? by TACD · · Score: 1

    Can somebody expand on this, or link to a detailed explanation for us Ethnians who lack your fruity laws?

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  75. Jack Buck by dsb · · Score: 1

    ,you forgot to mention.

    But Mike Shannon and son Joe hopefully will carry on the tradition of a great colorful radio broadcast here in St. Louis with a talent pool of players worthy of World Series contention.

    1. Re:Jack Buck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wayne Hagin will be doing radio broadcasts this season on KMOX. I believe he was a Rockies broadcaster before coming to the Cardinals. I agree that Joe Buck is also a good broadcaster, and I'd like to see Bob Costas someday be a Cardinals' broadcaster.

      Do you know, however, if Joel Meyers will be back this season? I thought he was pretty good. And I wish the Cardinals had brought back Bob Carpenter to do the play-by-play on TV.

  76. I can't believe it... by Nikopol · · Score: 1

    I'm an Expos Fan... Yeah, that's me you see on TV...

    That thing means I could, just maybe, watch a game on my computer? What a blast... We just *don't* have games on TV here. None.

    The thing is, tickets in the bleachers here in Montreal are 8$ CDN apiece... I think it can go as high as 32$, but at 8$ you're in Right field (or just in line with first base at level 200, wich really isn't very far)... I just don't think they expect to broadcast any Expos games... Too bad...

    And people wonder why this team is moving...

  77. Broadcasting technologies by katalyst · · Score: 1

    I'm kinda curious.... Are baseball live casts tech savvy? For a game like cricket, they have software that analyzes the performance of each player, they have the HAWKEYE - a system with 6 cameras which can predict the motion of the ball in 3d to a precision of 5mm...... do they have technical coverage to such an extent?
    Coming to webcasts, why not use a virtual broadcaster? ie a server can covert real-video to basic animation in real time.... which would take up lesser bandwidth. OR, why not conver the movements of each player to simple vectors and plot the ball in real time to have a set of pre-rendered players and ball moving in sync.

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    1. Re:Broadcasting technologies by slouie · · Score: 1

      The webcasts will probably not be very tech-savvy for a few good reasons.

      1) Human element: In baseball most of the important judgement calls are made by a single person. There has been a push to have this computerized to make a precise judgement(ie. was the pitch a strike or a ball) but this has been successfully countered by the umpires union and a deep desire by those involved to keep the game as "non-technical" as possible. There has been a quest by some to introduce "instant-replay" to the game, but that would just make the game longer and less entertaining. And Entertainment is the goal.

      2) Brief instances of excitement, long periods of waiting: If you listen to a baseball game, much of the real action can be compressed into about 10 minutes for three hours of gameplay. Each pitch takes about 2-3 seconds including windup and the longest plays take about 20 seconds. Commericals might take up about 40 minutes. That's over two hours you need to fill with analysis, strategies, stories, league goings-on, and keeping the listener/watcher otherwise entertained. They NEED human broadcasters to fill in the holes because virtual ones would be too hard to create, too expensive to pay for, and far less likely to keep an audience interested.

      3) Professionals at play: If you want to see basic animation at work, play a video game. Seeing professionals play the game at a high level is why people pay a premium to attend games and watch them on TV. It's the difference between reading a play, seeing it done by kids, and seeing it done by good actors. You get more from the better experience.

      Now don't get me wrong. If there is a game that can clog your webcast with more stats than you ever thought could be generated for a 22 year old rookie, baseball is it. But that isn't the goal of the game, just a result. The goals for Major League Baseball to Entertain and give the viewer/listener an Experience. And, like all good stories, that means putting a human face to it.

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  78. Who ya callin' a bum? by sulli · · Score: 1
    I have tix to 15 Giants games this year, ya bum!

    Seriously, the problem is the contract arrangements described by another poster. You'd think, though, that MLB would find some way to share those eighty dollars a year with the teams.

    As for blackout rules on sellouts, you're confusing MLB with the NFL. There, games not sold out are blacked out locally (also a dumbass rule IMHO). In baseball, the local teams get cable contracts & revenue (except the Expos, who need to move to Washington, but I digress).

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    1. Re:Who ya callin' a bum? by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 1

      My bad on the blackouts...but you know, I have yet to hear of a Red Sox home game that's not televised the entire season...

      In the meantime, instead of DC, I think the Expos are going to Puerto Rico if this year's attendance looks good.

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  79. interesting where this can go by hhknighter · · Score: 1

    Not a fan of baseball, but i wonder if NBA has any future plans for stuff like this?

    Or are they not in financial troubles from strikes and other sh*t?

  80. Blackout rules are killing the game by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1
    Why on earth would you ever black out an interested/paying customer?

    One word, one syllable: Greed.

    The amount of money they get for the season from the local tv deal is in their pocket. It represents an amount that isn't going to change.

    Pay-per-view/subscription offerings like MLB Extra Innings from DirecTV represent extra money for the teams from each subscriber. If they didn't black-out out of market games, who would buy this ludicrously overpriced package?

    By the way, that price doesn't let you see everything... You get "up to" 35 games per week. If the teams you want to see aren't available, you're screwed.

    I love baseball, but I'm not changing satellite systems (I have dishnetwork) AND paying $140 per season to see games I should be able to watch for free. I mean, they still show all the commercials in those subscription delivered games...

    I'd rather (and I would think the TEAM would prefer that I) spend that $140 at the stadium on tickets to a couple games and beers/souvenirs.

    Essentially, MLB has been seduced by fool's gold. Instead of making the game MORE accessible to young people, they put up another barrier that sends another group of kids that might otherwise enjoy baseball off to soccer camp.

    In effect, they're killing the game with greed... Not a new thing, just a new angle to how they're doing it.
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  81. The NFL is free? by Baron+of+Greymatter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Only if you are using Windows since the NFL (and college sports via Yahoo) streams only work in Windows Media Player. If you are using Linux you are SOL. There is no RealPlayer feed AFAIK.

    I've never been able to get WMP streams to work in Linux MPlayer. Oh, well, there's always the sports bar. :-)

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  82. Re:I've already had bad experiences w/ MLB broadca by Greenisus · · Score: 1

    I don't know, but I imagine the nickel was for international postage. Of course, in saying that, I am assuming you got some sort of paper receipt.

  83. But I've got YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right, the Yankees Eat Shit network. Now I don't have to fight gridlock to go to a game I have no interest in, the cable company's being strongarmed to send the game to me!

  84. WWE has been doing this for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    webcasts of every major pay per view for 19.95 i believe...better than the 39.95 i pay for watching it on sattelite

  85. Macro brew?? (Re:Minor league!) by giantsfan89 · · Score: 1

    Micro brew maybe? I'd say Budwiser is a macro brew.

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  86. More than once?! by Geekbot · · Score: 1

    ".....At last, an opportunity to see my hometown Detroit Tigers more than once a year!"

    I hope this wont interfere with my efforts to view the Tigers LESS than once per year.
    Geekbot...Flint, MI

  87. More reasons to boycott sporting events? by Geekbot · · Score: 1

    Well, as though MLB isn't turning to total crap fast enough, now they've found a new way to alienate potential fans.
    I have decided from now on the only sport I'm watching is Women's Volleyball....well, or anything else with women in a bikini...sport or not.

  88. I can use the same commentary as last spring... by DeanOh · · Score: 1

    ...When MLB was similarly trying to pick the pockets of fans outside of local AM broadcast range:

    As a displaced Cleveland Indians fan for over 20 years (New Jersey, California, Texas, Hawaii, Japan and Maryland) I was very unhappy in 97 (or maybe 98) when the Indians decided to make streaming audio of their radio game broadcasts a premium feature of their web site (interesting to note that for about the last year of the MLB official team sites are now subbed off the MLB mothership domain).

    The simple work-around at the time was to listen to the OPPOSING team's FREE RA (I think only the Pirates --and maybe one other team-- did not have such an offering).

    I wrote the Indians a passionate letter to point out the fundamental flaws of the 'pay-for-streaming-audio' model:

    1. Fans living in their local broadcast network area can listen to the game for free over the air. Even with a broadband connection and a decent PC, I still choose the stand-alone AM radio while slaving at the PC --if available . It's simple matter of conserving system resources for real work and having to eff around with RA whenever possible. And when I'm outside schlepping around the yard, the stand-alone AM is the obvious choice over the 'puter.

    2. Attention MLB MBAs and marketing wizards: Those fans living outside the AM broadcast area network coverage aren't in a position to support your metro advertisers.

    3. Therefore, the 'pay-for-streaming-audio' model essentially picks the pocket of out-of-town fans while those in the broadcast market get the same product for "free" (free being the exposure to ads).

    4. MLB just doesn't get it. A-Rod making a quarter of a billion, and they want us to spend $20 for low quality, ad-laden, low-fidelity audio of a team that might not break .500.

    Boink em-- I'll go watch the minors; there are at least 5 (from A to AAA) within a 2-hour drive of my house: young guys who are not yet spoiled millionaires and still play high quality baseball in interesting --and intimate-- settings (usually with free parking, riduculously low ticket prices, and concessions that cost half of what an MLB venue charges). MLB continues to severing any connection between the game and the people who grew up loving it: they are just adding iformation technology to their toolkit for doing so.

  89. Why blackout, since ads are shown? by stealthman · · Score: 1

    "The feeds will come from television, complete with the home team's commentary and ads." If the webcast is going to show all of the tv ads anyway, the tv broadcast network is benefitting from having the additional webcast viewers! Why blackout the webcast at all?