If I scream, "I'm GAY" from a stage, and a hundred people hear me, do I have a right to control that information (and every one of those people in perpetuity) because 1) I am not gay, and 2) it might affect me and 3) it is easily repeatable and 4) I think I have a right to control private information?
I am actually educated, and have well thought out viewpoints (opinions), and just because you disagree, doesn't make me an idiot.
My position is unequivocal only because I realize that Scale doesn't really matter here, nor should it. Here it is in a nutshell
“Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.”
Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack
That is not why we have courts. There is nothing in Tort or criminal law that would support her getting every copy of her off the internet. She should have sued for damages (at best) or like I said above, made herself famous for it. IT worked for the Kardashians girls.
And she did make her own choices. What she doesn't want to deal with, are the consequences OF those choices.
1) she chose to be filmed 2) she chose to give that video away
Those were her active choices. The consequences of those choices aren't hers to make.
You go to the top of a mountain, and open up a down pillow, and scatter the feathers to the wind (your choice), Now, go gather up all the feathers you just let blow away. Once that pillow is ripped open, and the feathers fly, they are impossible to gather back. There is no "right" to have the feathers gather themselves back into the pillow, no matter how badly you feel about the situation.
Labeling consequences as "hate" is simply a lame attempt at engendering an emotional response to affect people's actual reasoning power. It works far too often. Care to try again ?
You're asking for something that is impossible, to be a "Right"
The "online" part is irrelevant (and just as impossible). I can no more "forget" on demand short of you lobotomizing me, and you don't have that right.
So, lets stop tossing words like "rights" around, when they cannot apply.
BTW, she handled it very poorly. She could have milked it (trademarked the phrase) and become a famous porn star, with a catch phrase and all. Embrace that which makes you famous (like the Kardashians) and you'll be both Rich and Famous.
Sorry, but the "Journalistic organizations" just told me that 78 degrees was "Sweltering" heat.
Or, alternatively, lumping all "Journalistic Organizations" from the best to the worst, together as a singular unit, an representing that as totally wholesome, is at best very poor journalism;)
Or, it could be that the parents are harassing the daughter because she is a twit in a huge game of one up-manship. Streisand effect is also in play here, and the pictures are no doubt being duplicated on sites that are not Facebook.
I am not sure what this lawsuit is supposed to do, but I am pretty sure it is having the exact opposite effect.
1) the Parents come off as douchbags 2) the Daughter comes off as "Precious Snowflake" 3) The lawsuit is having Streisand effect.
The space lab is also equipped with a cold atom space clock, that has an estimated precision of 10 to the power of minus 16 seconds, or a one-second error every 30 million years
Einstein proved that time is relative. So accuracy is also relative.
Because I bitch about Hillary more than Trump I am a Trump supporter? That is the one lame argument. The MSM have nailed Trump all over the place, does that mean they are in the tank for Hillary, or is that just unbiased reporting?
spend a week posting criticism of Trump, Republicans and the Right-wing.
I don't need to. There is PLENTY of places where you can go to get all the anti-Trump crap you want, including just about every MSM outlet. But when the MSM calls 78 Degree weather "Sweltering", to defend Clinton's medical collapse, and run her a couple hours later "feeling great" and hugging a little girl having been diagnosed with "pneumonia" (medially irresponsible), I will be "attacking" her.
The fact is, Hillary is being protected by so fucking many people on so many different levels, that it is approaching comedy levels of obvious. Trump, everyone is attacking, from the dipshit fucktwads in the GOP, to every nutjob in the DNC and MSM
So, I am not lacking in any area of "self-awareness", as I am actually paying attention. Perhaps you can tell me, besides "I hate Trump" three reasons why you are supporting Hillary. I want specific examples besides the typical vapid emotional arguments. My guess is, you can't.
If I were a lawyer, holding onto a "prepaid T-Mobile" phone would be evidence of "service contract" of some sort, regardless of current standing. Evidence of Prior relationship etc. negates (IMHO, IANAL) the "any" part of the expectation of service you just outlined. But then again, I would also rather doubt that most lawyers would use "any" as a defense of service. Lawyers tend to not use absolutes, creating Clintonian size holes of wiggle room.
It is only shocking how little people respect others. IT is pure lack of respect to be disrespectful for "shock" value. If you don't value respect, then don't be "shocked" when I don't respect you. Except, you'll have earned my disrespect.
But heck, you can't even come up with an honest statement about your real feelings for Trump.
Trump is a fucktwad. Clear and honest enough? Hillary is also a fucktwad. You just can't stand the thought of someone who isn't part of the two party cabal . Vote for the lying liar Hillary if you want. But do not be surprised when the world goes to hell in a handbasket, because that is her actual record.
Actually if everyone who didn't like Hillary AND Trump voted for Gary Johnson, he would win in a landslide. Their Unfavorables are in the 60% range across party lines. If every one of those voted for Johnson, he would have more votes that the other two combined.
So, effectively becomes effectively enslaved to two party system...and the lessor of two gawd awful candidates.
the one who CAN apologize.
And, there is a clip of Trump actually apologizing for something, somewhere, so he can apologize. So now what?
"Sometimes, in the heat of debate, and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don’t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that, and believe it or not I regret it," Trump said.
You'll vote for a proven liar, who lies about lying, and then lies about lying about lying. And yet you believe her when she apologizes (not really though, if you actually saw the apology for the "Deplorable" comment). Stop lying to yourself, you'll vote for Hillary because you like some of the policies she is lying about to get elected.;)
Difference is, you can probably get an ID in those places easily. The government probably issues you one for free. That doesn't happen in the US.
Actually, this is false. There have been Vote ID laws passed, that included FREE OF CHARGE voter IDs to anyone, that have been over turned because "black people can't get to the government offices to get their free ID" and one disenfranchised black person is a tragedy, but voter fraud by one disenfranchises the whole vote of everyone.
Apparently it isn't racist to have such low expectations of an entire community that you come up with some ridiculous legal argument why Free ID is hard to get, just to over turn it. Think about it for even half a second, and you'll realize that it is only RACIST low expectations that would even consider that lack of effort as some sort of systemic (racist) problem in our society.
I don't consider lack of effort to be a racial trait. But it is if you are a democrat / lawyer. I have to bother going and getting an ID for banking, buying alcohol, guns tobacco. I have to show ID to get into the DNC convention, and all sorts of government buildings.To claim it is a "hardship" is nothing short of Racism. Pure, simple racism, mostly by rich white liberals.
My viewpoint isn't based on MY race, it is based on what actually is. I have no doubt there are racists, I have given plenty of examples of racism via "low expectations" logic presented by liberals in defense of their own racist policies.
Oddly enough, they are almost all more liberal states.
You're actually making my point.;) Black people (and minorities) need help because they are black (or other minority) , so liberals help them with their policies. I happen to live in one of those states, and the reasoning given for these laws is patently racist (unintentional as it may be) "Minorities can't do normal things because they are minorities.
As for voter fraud, you can't substantiate that which you cannot measure. We can't measure fraud, because we can't check for it. Because to check for fraud, implies racism because.. black people (and minorities) need all the help they can get to vote. Never mind that any illegal vote is disenfranchises all the other votes.;)
I was actually saying the (racist) POLICIES supported by the Democrats are racist, because they basically are saying to the entire black community "You can't do it because of your skin color, and we will help you". Every time they pander to the Black community about how aweful the government is, police are, white people are, and that they are the ONLY ones who can help. And, they use the same "government" that they claim is racist on one hand (Police, Voter ID,...) to provide them with special treatment because... they're black.
If you think about it for half a second, beyond the complete hypocrisy of marketing Racist Government will fix racist government, it is actually fucking insulting to all black people because it is so fucking racist.
I've asked a lot of my black friends if they think that they are helpless folks who need help from "rich white people" like the Clintons or if the feel any sort of rage at the notion being propagated that they can't do things like white people because they are black. When they realize what I am saying about the DNC, they really do become pissed off, but the ingrained nature of the whole "Race card" thing is really hard to overcome.
There is a huge racist culture of dependency built into the whole DNC propaganda designed to keep the black people dependent on the DNC. Having a 85-98% voting block is a nice cushion for otherwise close elections. IF the Black community ever realized how much power they have given up by voting DNC as a lock step block for the past 50 years, the DNC is dead.
AND you can see it in this race, where the only thing Clinton can actually run on are the Deplorable Phobic people (ie. racists)
No this isn't a defense of Trump. This is a rant against Hillary and the DNC. Vote for Liberty, vote Gary Johnson.
Actually, there are plenty of benefits that Illegals get, that Citizens don't get. The lack of proper "documentation' gets them a lot of linenacy in criminal situations that I do not get. That, and "sanctuary cities" go above and beyond to "protect" undocumented people (aka "illegal"). In addition to these overt "benefits" there are things like documentation needed to get driver's licenses and proposals to grant right to vote to undocumented people, where I, being a citizen have to prove I am a citizen and who I say I am to vote.
While not "free stuff" there are a lot of Tax Payer resources that are available, expressly for Undocumented people, that I do not qualify for, such as legal support and help.
Then there is the actual benefits granted to citizens and legal residents that are also being granted to illegals.
But it is easy to cry "Racism" (what race is an "Illegal alien" ??) And quite frankly illegal immigration is affecting the suppression of wages and those are affecting Black Americans disproportionately, so, while you claim it is racism, some of us actually want to protect actual US Citizens, regardless of their race. And it is a big part of why you see upto 25% of blacks starting to support Trump (not that I am voting for him, I am not) but they are at least waking up to the idea that they are going to be replaced as the defacto "slave" of the DNC party by Hispanics. And that isn't going to be good for "black Americans"... hardly a racist position.
CNN is also known as the Clinton News Network, and recently reported that 78 degree temperatures was "sweltering" when attempting to defend Clinton's collapse on Sunday. So, I don't believe anything they say.
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Yeah, amateur shock is "funny" in the same way that my brother in law dropping trou at Thanksgiving was funny. He isn't allowed in my house until he apologizes, and at 55 years old, still hasn't figured out what he did wrong.
At some point, the shock value isn't funny anymore (if it was ever that way) People usually grow out of that once they get out of puberty, some people never do.
She apologized because she got caught, not because she didn't mean it. "basket of deplorables"wasn't an accident. She didn't apologize for calling 1/2 of Trumps supporters all those "phobic" names, which means she apologized for the word choice, not how she actually feels.
It is like liberals who claim to hate Misogyny, while laughing at Ann Coulter being called a CUNT 37 times during a roast for someone else. If I actually used that word, and called Hillary a "fucking cunt", every liberal would come unglued and I would instantly be labeled misogynist.
And again, you missed the point where I am not defending Trump at all. I'm not voting for him, so his lies aren't any better than Clinton's. You should go back and read through this thread, I actually made the case against pointing to bad behavior as justification / excuse for bad behavior being quite childish.
I don't find Trumps lies any less or more than Clinton's. They are more or less the same in my book, which is why NEITHER of them should be president. But keep defending the indefensible all you want.
RIght, when a (D) says something like "Make America Great Again" (Bill Clinton, running for President) it isn't racist, because Bill isn't a racist. But when an (R) (Trump running in 2016) says something like "Make America Great Again" it is racist, because Bill says in the south, that phrase has a particular connotation. Trump being from New York State, would know that, and that is why he is a racist, but Bill 24 years ago (from Arkansas) wouldn't have known.
Context like that?
Or you just making excuses because... well you like (D) and not (R) politics, and will use the "Racism" card even in situations where it wouldn't fit, and if it did fit, wouldn't go in the direction you'd like?
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If I scream, "I'm GAY" from a stage, and a hundred people hear me, do I have a right to control that information (and every one of those people in perpetuity) because 1) I am not gay, and 2) it might affect me and 3) it is easily repeatable and 4) I think I have a right to control private information?
I am actually educated, and have well thought out viewpoints (opinions), and just because you disagree, doesn't make me an idiot.
My position is unequivocal only because I realize that Scale doesn't really matter here, nor should it. Here it is in a nutshell
“Three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead.”
Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack
That is not why we have courts. There is nothing in Tort or criminal law that would support her getting every copy of her off the internet. She should have sued for damages (at best) or like I said above, made herself famous for it. IT worked for the Kardashians girls.
You fail at analogy because you're trying very hard to be pedantic about it. And you come across as the chickenshit Coward you are.
yes I can pick up those feathers.
You probably "can" in theory.
1) In theory, theory and practice are the same
2) In practice, theory and practice aren't the same.
Which is why liberal elites cannot fathom how the real world actually works.
End of story.
Who's record was it, once she gave it away?
It IS impossible.
And she did make her own choices. What she doesn't want to deal with, are the consequences OF those choices.
1) she chose to be filmed
2) she chose to give that video away
Those were her active choices. The consequences of those choices aren't hers to make.
You go to the top of a mountain, and open up a down pillow, and scatter the feathers to the wind (your choice), Now, go gather up all the feathers you just let blow away. Once that pillow is ripped open, and the feathers fly, they are impossible to gather back. There is no "right" to have the feathers gather themselves back into the pillow, no matter how badly you feel about the situation.
Labeling consequences as "hate" is simply a lame attempt at engendering an emotional response to affect people's actual reasoning power. It works far too often. Care to try again ?
You're asking for something that is impossible, to be a "Right"
The "online" part is irrelevant (and just as impossible). I can no more "forget" on demand short of you lobotomizing me, and you don't have that right.
So, lets stop tossing words like "rights" around, when they cannot apply.
BTW, she handled it very poorly. She could have milked it (trademarked the phrase) and become a famous porn star, with a catch phrase and all. Embrace that which makes you famous (like the Kardashians) and you'll be both Rich and Famous.
psychology viewpoint if the impact of the exposure does cause a negative psychological impact
As does exposure to chalk marks at Emory University, so it seems.
Sorry, but the "Journalistic organizations" just told me that 78 degrees was "Sweltering" heat.
Or, alternatively, lumping all "Journalistic Organizations" from the best to the worst, together as a singular unit, an representing that as totally wholesome, is at best very poor journalism ;)
Or, it could be that the parents are harassing the daughter because she is a twit in a huge game of one up-manship. Streisand effect is also in play here, and the pictures are no doubt being duplicated on sites that are not Facebook.
I am not sure what this lawsuit is supposed to do, but I am pretty sure it is having the exact opposite effect.
1) the Parents come off as douchbags
2) the Daughter comes off as "Precious Snowflake"
3) The lawsuit is having Streisand effect.
They just need to figure out
4) ???
And they will win with
5) Profit!!!
The space lab is also equipped with a cold atom space clock, that has an estimated precision of 10 to the power of minus 16 seconds, or a one-second error every 30 million years
Einstein proved that time is relative. So accuracy is also relative.
Because I bitch about Hillary more than Trump I am a Trump supporter? That is the one lame argument. The MSM have nailed Trump all over the place, does that mean they are in the tank for Hillary, or is that just unbiased reporting?
spend a week posting criticism of Trump, Republicans and the Right-wing.
I don't need to. There is PLENTY of places where you can go to get all the anti-Trump crap you want, including just about every MSM outlet. But when the MSM calls 78 Degree weather "Sweltering", to defend Clinton's medical collapse, and run her a couple hours later "feeling great" and hugging a little girl having been diagnosed with "pneumonia" (medially irresponsible), I will be "attacking" her.
The fact is, Hillary is being protected by so fucking many people on so many different levels, that it is approaching comedy levels of obvious. Trump, everyone is attacking, from the dipshit fucktwads in the GOP, to every nutjob in the DNC and MSM
So, I am not lacking in any area of "self-awareness", as I am actually paying attention. Perhaps you can tell me, besides "I hate Trump" three reasons why you are supporting Hillary. I want specific examples besides the typical vapid emotional arguments. My guess is, you can't.
If I were a lawyer, holding onto a "prepaid T-Mobile" phone would be evidence of "service contract" of some sort, regardless of current standing. Evidence of Prior relationship etc. negates (IMHO, IANAL) the "any" part of the expectation of service you just outlined. But then again, I would also rather doubt that most lawyers would use "any" as a defense of service. Lawyers tend to not use absolutes, creating Clintonian size holes of wiggle room.
My wife would agree with you. She thinks 70 is hot, regardless of humidity. Me, I think 64 is freezing cold.
It is only shocking how little people respect others. IT is pure lack of respect to be disrespectful for "shock" value. If you don't value respect, then don't be "shocked" when I don't respect you. Except, you'll have earned my disrespect.
But heck, you can't even come up with an honest statement about your real feelings for Trump.
Trump is a fucktwad. Clear and honest enough?
Hillary is also a fucktwad. You just can't stand the thought of someone who isn't part of the two party cabal . Vote for the lying liar Hillary if you want. But do not be surprised when the world goes to hell in a handbasket, because that is her actual record.
But we are effectively stuck with only 2 choices,
Actually if everyone who didn't like Hillary AND Trump voted for Gary Johnson, he would win in a landslide. Their Unfavorables are in the 60% range across party lines. If every one of those voted for Johnson, he would have more votes that the other two combined.
So, effectively becomes effectively enslaved to two party system ...and the lessor of two gawd awful candidates.
the one who CAN apologize.
And, there is a clip of Trump actually apologizing for something, somewhere, so he can apologize. So now what?
"Sometimes, in the heat of debate, and speaking on a multitude of issues, you don’t choose the right words or you say the wrong thing. I have done that, and believe it or not I regret it," Trump said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...
You'll vote for a proven liar, who lies about lying, and then lies about lying about lying. And yet you believe her when she apologizes (not really though, if you actually saw the apology for the "Deplorable" comment). Stop lying to yourself, you'll vote for Hillary because you like some of the policies she is lying about to get elected. ;)
Difference is, you can probably get an ID in those places easily. The government probably issues you one for free. That doesn't happen in the US.
Actually, this is false. There have been Vote ID laws passed, that included FREE OF CHARGE voter IDs to anyone, that have been over turned because "black people can't get to the government offices to get their free ID" and one disenfranchised black person is a tragedy, but voter fraud by one disenfranchises the whole vote of everyone.
Apparently it isn't racist to have such low expectations of an entire community that you come up with some ridiculous legal argument why Free ID is hard to get, just to over turn it. Think about it for even half a second, and you'll realize that it is only RACIST low expectations that would even consider that lack of effort as some sort of systemic (racist) problem in our society.
I don't consider lack of effort to be a racial trait. But it is if you are a democrat / lawyer. I have to bother going and getting an ID for banking, buying alcohol, guns tobacco. I have to show ID to get into the DNC convention, and all sorts of government buildings .To claim it is a "hardship" is nothing short of Racism. Pure, simple racism, mostly by rich white liberals.
If you don't want black people to be coddled as you say, then stop coddling them with "you can't do it without white people's help" attitude.
Don't take my word for it, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/li...
My viewpoint isn't based on MY race, it is based on what actually is. I have no doubt there are racists, I have given plenty of examples of racism via "low expectations" logic presented by liberals in defense of their own racist policies.
Oddly enough, they are almost all more liberal states.
You're actually making my point. ;) Black people (and minorities) need help because they are black (or other minority) , so liberals help them with their policies. I happen to live in one of those states, and the reasoning given for these laws is patently racist (unintentional as it may be) "Minorities can't do normal things because they are minorities.
As for voter fraud, you can't substantiate that which you cannot measure. We can't measure fraud, because we can't check for it. Because to check for fraud, implies racism because .. black people (and minorities) need all the help they can get to vote. Never mind that any illegal vote is disenfranchises all the other votes. ;)
I was actually saying the (racist) POLICIES supported by the Democrats are racist, because they basically are saying to the entire black community "You can't do it because of your skin color, and we will help you". Every time they pander to the Black community about how aweful the government is, police are, white people are, and that they are the ONLY ones who can help. And, they use the same "government" that they claim is racist on one hand (Police, Voter ID, ...) to provide them with special treatment because ... they're black.
If you think about it for half a second, beyond the complete hypocrisy of marketing Racist Government will fix racist government, it is actually fucking insulting to all black people because it is so fucking racist.
I've asked a lot of my black friends if they think that they are helpless folks who need help from "rich white people" like the Clintons or if the feel any sort of rage at the notion being propagated that they can't do things like white people because they are black. When they realize what I am saying about the DNC, they really do become pissed off, but the ingrained nature of the whole "Race card" thing is really hard to overcome.
There is a huge racist culture of dependency built into the whole DNC propaganda designed to keep the black people dependent on the DNC. Having a 85-98% voting block is a nice cushion for otherwise close elections. IF the Black community ever realized how much power they have given up by voting DNC as a lock step block for the past 50 years, the DNC is dead.
AND you can see it in this race, where the only thing Clinton can actually run on are the Deplorable Phobic people (ie. racists)
No this isn't a defense of Trump. This is a rant against Hillary and the DNC. Vote for Liberty, vote Gary Johnson.
Actually, there are plenty of benefits that Illegals get, that Citizens don't get. The lack of proper "documentation' gets them a lot of linenacy in criminal situations that I do not get. That, and "sanctuary cities" go above and beyond to "protect" undocumented people (aka "illegal"). In addition to these overt "benefits" there are things like documentation needed to get driver's licenses and proposals to grant right to vote to undocumented people, where I, being a citizen have to prove I am a citizen and who I say I am to vote.
While not "free stuff" there are a lot of Tax Payer resources that are available, expressly for Undocumented people, that I do not qualify for, such as legal support and help.
Then there is the actual benefits granted to citizens and legal residents that are also being granted to illegals.
But it is easy to cry "Racism" (what race is an "Illegal alien" ??) And quite frankly illegal immigration is affecting the suppression of wages and those are affecting Black Americans disproportionately, so, while you claim it is racism, some of us actually want to protect actual US Citizens, regardless of their race. And it is a big part of why you see upto 25% of blacks starting to support Trump (not that I am voting for him, I am not) but they are at least waking up to the idea that they are going to be replaced as the defacto "slave" of the DNC party by Hispanics. And that isn't going to be good for "black Americans" ... hardly a racist position.
CNN is also known as the Clinton News Network, and recently reported that 78 degree temperatures was "sweltering" when attempting to defend Clinton's collapse on Sunday. So, I don't believe anything they say.
Vote Gary Johnson, for sane America. .
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Trivial in execution, good for a laugh
Yeah, amateur shock is "funny" in the same way that my brother in law dropping trou at Thanksgiving was funny. He isn't allowed in my house until he apologizes, and at 55 years old, still hasn't figured out what he did wrong.
At some point, the shock value isn't funny anymore (if it was ever that way) People usually grow out of that once they get out of puberty, some people never do.
She apologized because she got caught, not because she didn't mean it. "basket of deplorables"wasn't an accident. She didn't apologize for calling 1/2 of Trumps supporters all those "phobic" names, which means she apologized for the word choice, not how she actually feels.
It is like liberals who claim to hate Misogyny, while laughing at Ann Coulter being called a CUNT 37 times during a roast for someone else. If I actually used that word, and called Hillary a "fucking cunt", every liberal would come unglued and I would instantly be labeled misogynist.
And again, you missed the point where I am not defending Trump at all. I'm not voting for him, so his lies aren't any better than Clinton's. You should go back and read through this thread, I actually made the case against pointing to bad behavior as justification / excuse for bad behavior being quite childish.
I don't find Trumps lies any less or more than Clinton's. They are more or less the same in my book, which is why NEITHER of them should be president. But keep defending the indefensible all you want.
RIght, when a (D) says something like "Make America Great Again" (Bill Clinton, running for President) it isn't racist, because Bill isn't a racist. But when an (R) (Trump running in 2016) says something like "Make America Great Again" it is racist, because Bill says in the south, that phrase has a particular connotation. Trump being from New York State, would know that, and that is why he is a racist, but Bill 24 years ago (from Arkansas) wouldn't have known.
Context like that?
Or you just making excuses because ... well you like (D) and not (R) politics, and will use the "Racism" card even in situations where it wouldn't fit, and if it did fit, wouldn't go in the direction you'd like?