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A Woman Is Suing Her Parents For Posting Embarrassing Childhood Photos To Facebook

Earlier this year, we ran a story which talked about how a parent could be sued by their kids for posting their photos on Facebook. Over the past two years, we have seen several such cases, and now we have another one. From a report on NYMag:An 18-year-old woman in Carinthia, Austria, is suing her parents over the 500-odd childhood photos they've posted of her on Facebook without her consent. "They knew no shame and no limit and didn't care whether it was a picture of me sitting on the toilet or lying naked in my cot -- every stage was photographed and then made public," she told The Local, an English-language Austrian newspaper. She went on, "I'm tired of not being taken seriously by my parents," who, despite her requests, have refused to take the photos down. The woman's father reportedly believes he's in the right to post the pictures because he took them. But her lawyer is adamant that if he can prove the photos violated the woman's right to privacy, her parents could be forced to pay damages and legal fees.

412 comments

  1. now by sirber · · Score: 4, Funny

    can we see those photos?

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    1. Re:now by Obfuscant · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pictures or it didn't happen.

    2. Re:now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      #pedobearapproves

      captcha: milked

    3. Re:now by davester666 · · Score: 1

      yeah, pics or it didn't happen!

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    4. Re:now by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

      The Irony is that the only way to reliably preserve evidence that someones posted the photo's to the internet is to snapshot it on the wayback machine :)

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  2. Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Someone clearly needs to "Grow The Fuck Up" (tm).

    Part of life. Get over yourself.

    1. Re:Childish... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Who are you referring to - the girl or the parents?

    2. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Both. The daughter suing her parents over this is absurd but the parents not removing them when it evidently upsets her this much is appalling.

    3. Re:Childish... by beernutz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So you think she should NOT have a right to have naked pictures of her taken offline?

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    4. Re:Childish... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So you think she should NOT have a right to have naked pictures of her taken offline?

      Just because you have right to do something doesn't mean it is right to do it. Yes, she has the right to sue. But that may not be the best way to resolve this dispute.

      Of course, I don't know her, or her parents, and I didn't even read the article, so I am not qualified to make a judgement either way.

    5. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No where did I mention whether either party has the right to do what they're doing. It's horrifying that that's your thought process in response to such a complete breakdown of the relationship between a daughter and her parents.

    6. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you think she should NOT have a right to have naked pictures of her taken offline?

      What part of "but the parents not removing them when it evidently upsets her this much" confused you?

    7. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you think she should NOT have a right to have naked pictures of her taken offline?

      Just because you have right to do something doesn't mean it is right to do it. Yes, she has the right to sue. But that may not be the best way to resolve this dispute.

      Of course, I don't know her, or her parents, and I didn't even read the article, so I am not qualified to make a judgement either way.

      It says right in the summary that she has asked them repeatedly to take them down and they refused, hence the lawsuit. The parents ended up bringing this upon themselves.

    8. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0, Troll

      Just because you have right to do something doesn't mean it is right to do it.

      I'd take them down, then thar would be the last she ever heard of me. "You are no longer in our life, person - is that taking you seriously enough?"

      You are correct about not knowing the dynamics of the situation. but if a child of mine ever sued me for anything, it would be the last contact they'd ever have with me.

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    9. Re:Childish... by ewibble · · Score: 2

      I do, unless they where sexualized then they are there photos (In that case they should be arrested either way), the probably should not post them if their daughter does not like them, but it should not be a matter for the legal system, the family should sort it out between themselves.

      By extension all photos your parents take should not be published until the child is old enough to give legal consent, who should have the right to decide on any image shouldn't you?

      From a legal standpoint they where the legal guardians at the time and had the right to give consent and copyright to themselves or anyone the chose.

      Once again making someone slightly uncomfortable, merits legal action.

    10. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      My parents would not see me or their grand children again if they post pictures of me on Facebook. It is not a hard rule to follow.

    11. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you have right to do something doesn't mean it is right to do it. Yes, she has the right to sue. But that may not be the best way to resolve this dispute.

      Propose a better way. Go ahead, tell us what she should do. Ask? Apparently she already has. They didn't change their behavior. At a certain point, society has come to realize that some people just won't act properly without being compelled. Tis why we have courts.

      Of course, I don't know her, or her parents, and I didn't even read the article, so I am not qualified to make a judgement either way.

      Well, that's the thing about judges, they ACTUALLY get the facts so they can be qualified. And most of them are not so disdainful towards the court process that they rule it out, or decide that suing is so terrible-wrong that they freak out over it, like many people have in this story.

    12. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would disown your own child because they took offense to some pictures you posted?

      I bet your are a Christian. Would disown your own child if they came out gay.

    13. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She asked them to remove the pictures already and they flat out refused. Her parents FORCED her to sue them.

    14. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My parents would not see me or their grand children again if they post pictures of me on Facebook. It is not a hard rule to follow.

      And who knows how much of the story we are getting about this. There might be some strange dynamics going on. I had a wealthy uncle who used to control most of us with threatening to cut us out of his will.

      When he tried that with me, I just said "bye!". Then when he did die, he gave it all to his prodigal son, who after a life of loose women and booze, found Jesus and "reconciled with his father. Gave the prodigal son the entire estate, which the son promptly gave to the church.

      I fuckin' howled! I still tease my kissass relatives asking how they invested their inheritance from Uncle Bob.

      Point is, peeps be trippin'.

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    15. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to note that the parents started publishing those (baby-)photos when she was already 11 years old.
      photos of her every day since 2009.
      For all the 700 Facebook-Friends of the parents to see.

      They also vehemently refused to change privacy levels and or delete any single photo.

      She moved out when she turned 18.

    16. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      You would disown your own child because they took offense to some pictures you posted?

      I bet your are a Christian. Would disown your own child if they came out gay.

      You should re-read my post. I said I would do that if a child of mine sued me. Then again, I wouldn't put childhood photos of him on facebook or anywhere else either.

      But if he found fit to take me to court, he would be disowning me the moment I got the summons.

      And you must be new around here if you managed to to read me as a Christian, and concerned about who puts what thing where

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    17. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, I always thought the entire point of keeping those photographs around was to embarrass the kids in front of their friends or in this case the world.

    18. Re:Childish... by mark-t · · Score: 0

      You misuse the word "force". There is absolutely no reason beyond her own personal feelings that could have kept her from saying "Oh, well... what the hell? They are just child pictures anyways, and it is just not worth the grief to get that upset over it."

      I'm not saying her parents were right to refuse to take them down when she asked. That's disrespectful no matter how you look at this, but someone having a hang-up over someone else seeing a photo of them as a kid doing something that the person would rather not remember right now is that one person's problem... not anyone else's.

      I have expressed a similar sentiment on the whole european "right to be forgotten" crap.

    19. Re:Childish... by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Yes, all Christians are exactly like you imagine them. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.

    20. Re: Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same.

      Post pictures of me from my childhood and I will sue. Slightly different situation though. My mother let her boyfriend hit her kids for a decade until they all ran away from home.

      Some people are assholes.

    21. Re:Childish... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Of course, I don't know her, or her parents, and I didn't even read the article, so I am not qualified to make a judgement either way.

      Given this is someone suing their parents over photos I am passing judgement on the entire family.

    22. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should re-read my post. I said I would do that if a child of mine sued me. Then again, I wouldn't put childhood photos of him on facebook or anywhere else either.

      That's nice for you. The parents here didn't follow your example, now did they?

      Whatever shall be done, whatever shall be done, that's the question this woman had to ask herself.

      Why do you react so strongly against her decision?

      But if he found fit to take me to court, he would be disowning me the moment I got the summons.

      Why? Do you find society's recognized means of resolving conflicts through the civil justice system to be offensive for some reason? What is wrong with it?

      Why is it so anathema to you? Are you under the impression that a lawsuit is an act of hate? Of inflicting punishment on others? While that is the preferred media portrayal, that's because such is interesting and dynamic, a way to sell tickets, not the real business of the courts. Stories like that are the business of the media, who want you to tune in because it's exciting, not boring.

      Of course, it may be that if you refused to fix a problem, it may well be your prospective children would be well-advised to have nothing to do with you. Except in this case, it's not simply a matter of avoidance, it's a matter of making a decision to continue to intrude in someone else's life. But this doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Not even in this situation, to be honest.

      Some people just need a little help in order to get them to do the right thing. And that's why the court system exists. When it becomes a screaming tirade of recrimination and such, that's when the average judge sighs. Sometimes they let it happen, since people need to work out their emotions, but other times, they prefer to calm down things a bit and get a rational discussion going, with well, informed people who exist to work out conflicts. Using standards that are subject to stricture and review, not just somebody's individual caprice.

      What else would you have us do?

    23. Re:Childish... by PRMan · · Score: 1

      "Gave the prodigal son the entire estate"

      Well, at least he was Biblical about it...

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    24. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean other than being ostracised from society and turned down for jobs. Her reputation is being destroyed by her parents, but they are more concerned about keeping their precious pictures available to everyone in the world than they are about their own daughter. For shame. For fucking shame.

      If she wants to be able to live, she must have these pictures removed. Since asking didn't work, suing will.

    25. Re:Childish... by quenda · · Score: 1

      I do, unless they where sexualized

      This is Facebook! You'd be lucky to get buttocks on a sheepskin rug past the prudish Facebook censors, let alone anything remotely sexual.
      Heard all the fuss about Kim Phuc, or breastfeeding mothers exposing nipples?

    26. Re:Childish... by tsa · · Score: 1

      If your child finds it necessary to sue you she has seen more than enough of you already so she will be glad you don't want to see her again.

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    27. Re:Childish... by zabbey · · Score: 2

      Until one of those odd hiccups in life pops up and you need to lean on your parents. Whoops, burnt that bridge.

    28. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      "Gave the prodigal son the entire estate"

      Well, at least he was Biblical about it...

      The other people who were suckups felt "known" in the biblical sense as well!

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    29. Re:Childish... by HanzoSpam · · Score: 1

      I agree she's over reacting. But it's still a dick move on the part of the parents.

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    30. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You are no longer in our life, person - is that taking you seriously enough?"

      Mind the door.

    31. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, having a right does EXACTLY mean that it's right to do it.

      What should she do? She obviously asked her parents to take them down, which they refused. The father still thinks he has the right to have those pictures up there (which he does not by the way, at least not according to Austrian law concerning "rights to your own picture" (text in German, sorry), the important part reads: Austrian Copyright ("Urheberrecht"), article 78, section 1: "Pictures or paintings of people may not be published or made public in any other form if it goes against legitimate interests of the people depicted or, in case they are deceased, against the legitimate interests of close relatives". Translation mine and not legally binding).

      What exactly would you propose should she be doing? Put yourself in her boots: You're 18 and all your friends (and teachers, and that creepy neighbor that keeps looking at you in a not-so-funny way) can take a look at naked pictures of you. Pictures you never consented to when they were made, and you certainly did not consent to being published. What are you going to do?

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    32. Re: Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That does not change the fact that there are still naked pictures of you online for everyone to see. Including that creepy-ass neighbor who keeps making comments along the lines of whether you still have that mole on your pussy.

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    33. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If the situation is such that you already feel the only way to communicate with your parents is by court, it's unlikely that you would dare leaning on them, unless you want to make sure that you'll fall.

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    34. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      We are talking about naked childhood pictures here. On display not to the asshats that your relatives are who will belittle you for it, but visible for the effin' WORLD.

      In short, how'd you like it if that creepy neighbor asks you if you still have that mole on your pussy?

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    35. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      She actually TRIED to sort it out within the family. Why should she do? Hold her dad at gunpoint 'til he surrenders the password?

      Parents should have a fuckin' CLUE as to what publishing those pictures can do. We lament and bemoan how ignorant our youth is when it comes to privacy and how they throw away their career chances by posting unfavorable pictures of themselves partying and throwing up after too much alcohol, how they ruin their image by showing a few boy/girlfriend every other week, how they are careless with their privacy and so on.

      But at least they are ruining their own life. They get to feel the fallout from their actions.

      And now it's a-ok and dandy if parents do the same with their kids and have THEM carry the burden for their negligence and ignorance? That's fine, yes?

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    36. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      *gasp* You can't show nipples, little kids might be watching!

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    37. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      This is why I took a pic of my dad pissing into the fridge when he was drunk.

      He never felt the urge to show my baby pics anyone ever again...

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    38. Re:Childish... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First of all... most of society doesn't judge adults by how silly they may have looked as children, and the portion of society that does is not worth spending any time with in the first place.

      And while it is wholly deplorable of her parents to not respect her desire to have those pictures taken down, her attitude about how bad she thinks it will affect her isn't exactly brimming with a mature point of view. As I said, most people probably don't care about silly childhood photo's. On top of it, that she feels she should sue them over something like this is ultimately just a grown-up version of having a temper tantrum because she didn't get her way.

    39. Re:Childish... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone else even care? And even if they did, why should I care what they think?

    40. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So it wouldn't bother you if the creepy neighbor keeps undressing you with his eyes and wonders whether your ass is still as firm as it looked in the pics he knows?

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    41. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are a creepy idiot. Child pictures are well, child pictures. The boobs and the round ass are not there yet.

    42. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I know it's an outlandish concept for some, but sexual preferences are not the same universally, no matter what advertising and Next Topmodel try to tell you.

      Yes, there are some creeps that will wank to your child pictures.

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    43. Re:Childish... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >her attitude about how bad she thinks it will affect her isn't exactly brimming with a mature point of view.

      She's 19. How mature do you think she's supposed to be ? How mature were you at 19 ? Because me ? I was a fucking idiot at that age.

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    44. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The parents would probably keep them up even if someone told them that they were being passed around on sites aimed at pedos.

    45. Re:Childish... by inking · · Score: 1

      Untag yourself and unfriend your parents on Facebook. Done. Nobody but their friends will see it. If it is embarrassment you are afraid of, there are many more ways they can humiliate you without any malice or you having legal recourse.

      Really, the article should have been titled "18-year-old Is Suing Her Parents For Posting Embarrassing Childhood Photos To Facebook", because this is what becomes immediately apparent even before you start reading the text itself.

    46. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And this is why a court gets involved now.

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    47. Re:Childish... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      >her attitude about how bad she thinks it will affect her isn't exactly brimming with a mature point of view.

      She's 19. How mature do you think she's supposed to be ? How mature were you at 19 ? Because me ? I was a fucking idiot at that age.

      Irrelevant: if you're legally an adult, you're an adult. There are mature 19 year olds and immature 59 year olds. They both get treated as adults.

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    48. Re:Childish... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Actually, having a right does EXACTLY mean that it's right to do it.

      No, it really really doesn't, unless you have a purely legalistic view of reality.

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    49. Re:Childish... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Just because you have right to do something doesn't mean it is right to do it. Yes, she has the right to sue. But that may not be the best way to resolve this dispute.

      Well, I agree that blowing up the server would be so much more fun!

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    50. Re:Childish... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Being legally an adult means you the law treats you as one - among other things, this means you get to use the courts to settle grievances when other methods have failed. You don't get to call her legally and adult but immature for using a legal mechanism created for adults to settle disputes with.

      Immature ways of settling disputes exists too - and sometimes adults use them too, the include punching somebody in the face and that - like almost all the others actually - is, actually a crime. Or vandalising their property. Also a crime.

      There are only two legal ways for adults to settle a dispute: either they privately agree to a solution, or they go to court and state their case and the judge imposes one on them. That's it. An out of court settlement is really just a reversal to the private-agreement after a legal case has commenced. It adds some formalities to the process but does not change it's nature.

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    51. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, in general I would agree with you, in this particular case, she not only has the right but it is also the right thing to do now.

      She tried reasoning with her parents, and we're not talking about a whim that befell her now, this goes back for 7 years. How little empathy can a father have? We're not talking about your daughter asking for a pony or something outlandish, all she wanted from him was that he stops showing off embarrassing and demeaning pictures of her. Is that really asking too much? Did he really have to boost his ego by putting his own daughter down and showing her how much he may control her, to the point where he has control over her dignity?

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    52. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Their friends. The parents of the people you go to school with. Who will gladly copy the pics and show them off to anyone wanting to see them.

      Kids are assholes. Without remorse.

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    53. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it would be the last contact they'd ever have with me."

      Might be a good thing for your children.
      Maybe they will find a mentor, an elder person who will play parent's role much better than you, who knows ?

    54. Re: Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After reading this I understand your other replies.

    55. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if i were the parents i'd then proceed to print them out in poster size and display them all around the home and leave the curtains open all the time.

      "pictures you never consented to when they were made" - lol - you're an idiot. Until you reach age of consent (in your country) your parents don't need your permission for most things (that don't go against a broader law).

      Until then, you don't get much say of jack, or squat.

    56. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If i felt the need to take my parents to court and they disowned me because of that then screw them.... Just getting to the point where you have to take your parents into court i would pretty much be on the edge of just dropping all ties to them...

      Don't see any situation that i could be put in where i would be forced to lean on them unless i wanted to.

    57. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how this can be considered to be overreacting... It is pure bullying by her parents and they push her so far that she takes them to court...

      She does not like nude pictures of herself to be published for everyone to see.. I don't see how the parents could have a immutable right to post whatever pictures they may have of their their child.
      Even children have rights to privacy and until the child has grown up to an age where he/she can make their own decisions about it the parents should be cautious and think of the child's rights and what they may make public.

      In this case the child was at the age where she had an opinion about it and she did not want it published, and the parents ignored her wishes....
      I would consider publishing these pictures as pure bullying, and if i where her i would get the court to order the parents to hand over or destroy all pictures and copies they may have of her and allow her to choose what they may get back.

    58. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for most things (that don't go against a broader law).

      Like the right to privacy? The right not to be bullied? The right not to be abused?

    59. Re: Childish... by DEN_GUY · · Score: 1

      If she's 19, yes. If they were taken when she she was a toddler, then i would say her emotional state hasn't evolved much since then, and no, grow the fuck up.

    60. Re:Childish... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Unless the creepy neighbor possesses a science-fictiony ability like mind over matter, what they happen to think in their own head has absolutely no bearing on reality, and I have no reason to care about it.

    61. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I agree she's over reacting. But it's still a dick move on the part of the parents.

      This is probably a family of dicks.

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    62. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It is pure bullying by her parents

      We are all precious little snowflakes.so easily hurt, so vulnerable.

      Victims are now becoming the bullies.

      Can I get jazz hands?

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    63. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I notice a distinct lack of such neighbors in your life.

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    64. Re:Childish... by i.kazmi · · Score: 1

      How in blazes do you reckon that the parents are the victims here? Reading your previous comments on this thread, I know that you're a parent yourself so I guess you're biased in their favor but come on, there's no way they're victims in this situation. I'll try and convince you as to why the girl is in the right and the parents are being jerks (obligatory XKCD comic).

      There's a number of issues that nude childhood pictures plastered all over the internet create for this girl:

      Bullying from Peers
      All it would take is for one of her class-fellows/co-workers to find and share her nude childhood pictures with the rest of her peers to turn her life into a living hell. Not a situation I'd want to be in.

      Employment
      You do realize that most employers these days do an extensive online background check on any potential employees, I think nude childhood pictures are not something that any of us want to be in the list of things they find about us. I'm a bloke so I am not certain but I think this issue would be even more sensitive for women (correct me if I am wrong).

      Romantic Relationships
      The pool most young adults find their partners from is mainly comprised of people in their close proximity. I doubt anyone is going to take someone with nude childhood pictures plastered over the internet seriously. This, too, is probably more problematic for women (please note that when I say more problematic for women, I am not implying that its not problematic for men, just that its more of a problem for women because of the way our society is structured). Paraphrasing a previous poster, it can't be fun to have every creepy dude in your school/workplace commenting on your physical features.

      Lack of Respect
      Even if we were to ignore all the potential societal problems this issue would create for the girl (she does not live in a vacuum but let's be hypothetical), this still leaves the issue of her parents having a complete disregard for her wishes and trying to do what they want with her person. Dunno about you but I think that in and of itself demonstrates a pretty big failing on the part of the parents.

      As the summary states, repeated requests to the parents to take down those pictures has fallen on deaf ears, could you please point out what logical or reasonable recourse this girl had besides the one she opted for? Also note that it wouldn't matter if she removed her parents from her friendlist on Facebook, it wouldn't matter if she even deactivated her account (not having a Facebook account apparently raises red flags so not sure if that's even advisable anymore), someone is bound to stumble upon her parents' profiles and find those pictures so this is not an issue that she can just ignore.

    65. Re: Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HOLD the door!

    66. Re: Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll be your daddy...

    67. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      I suppose in today's world, where everyone is a victim and cannot withstand anything negative, I suppose you are correct. Did you see the photos? A child sitting on a toilet. If that is going to destroy someone's life, as you claim, damn near anything else will.

      Or is this like the ultimate right to forget case?

      Regardless - it isn't how I'd operate. I would suggest psychological help for the parents, for being dicks, and the adult chlld, for being cripplingly oversensitive and destined for failure in life. Much ado here, much ado.

      Perhaps the parents should be sent to prison, for utterly destroying their abused and bullied child. Would that be enough? According to you, they have already ruined her life, that's pretty serious.

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    68. Re:Childish... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      What you notice is a distinct lack of caring about what other people keep inside of their own heads and doesn't actually affect me in any measurable way unless I were to care about what they think in the first place.

    69. Re:Childish... by i.kazmi · · Score: 1

      I posed two questions in my comment and you sidestepped/ignored both of them so let me ask them again:

      1. How are the parents victims here?
      2. If this girl does not want her nude childhood pictures on Facebook, what options does she have after repeatedly asking her parents has failed?

      And kindly read my comment again, I never said these pics had ruined her life. I did however mention/imply that they'd make her life harder and elaborated as to why I thought that, if you disagree kindly blow/poke as many holes as you can in the points I raised instead of acting like a grumpy old man throwing a tantrum about how all young'uns are spoilt li'l snowflakes who want everything presented to em on a silver platter.

      You're the only one talking about prison mate, I never said or even alluded to incarceration for the parents. As far as I am concerned, as long as they take the pictures down or are forced to take them down, the problem is resolved.

    70. Re:Childish... by inking · · Score: 1

      People usually stop going to school around the age of eighteen.

    71. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Yes, and they start being finally able to sue someone.

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    72. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Believe me, if you knew the situation, you'd react differently.

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    73. Re:Childish... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Since you appear to be talking about a specific situation that is relevant to your own specific personal experience, and not a hypothetical situation that may be tangentially related to the article, it's probably best if I don't know all of the details. However, the only reason I could even *possibly* have to think any differently than I do is if I had any reason to believe that the person might take some kind of measurable action as a result of his lewd thoughts, and if there was such a reason, then that reason could be a justifiable basis to get a restraining order, at least. If the evidence were more substantial than that, there may even be enough of a basis for a charge of conspiracy to commit a particular crime to stick.

      But the fact that someone may be thinking about something is not really any kind of sufficient basis to presume or believe that they might actually act upon it, and living as if that were the case when you do not want them to do that thing, no matter how bad it might be, is just spending your life living in fear.... and it's entirely self-induced, because that fear is caused because of what you *believe* about the other person, not what is actually happening (because again, what goes on solely inside of person's head does not have any measurable effect on reality). The only implication that what you might know about what another person is thinking should have on your life is how you react to that particular person and that particular person only. The person might be a neighbor, but that doesn't mean you ever have to socialize with them, or even be physically around them for any period of time. If if should even come to pass that this creepy dude asks you why you appear to be avoiding him, you can come out with it plainly and tell him that you don't like the way that he looks at you, full stop. No further exchange beyond that should ever be necessary and you can both go about your business.

      If the creepy neighbor ever does decide to act on any of his lewd thoughts, then you charge the asshole with assault... but you can't live in fear of what *might* be, or else you paralyze yourself from truly experiencing the present moment for everything that it offers.

      I do not wish to invade and know of the details of your situation.... I while I can sympathize with the feelings you might have of feeling powerless to do anything about the situation, ultimately those feelings that you have are not caused by what anyone else but you believes, because just as certainly as you cannot control what other people are thinking or believing, nobody else can control you either, unless you let them.

    74. Re:Childish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if they were suing you because they had already asked you and you had refused? The article does not suggest this is her first course of action:

      > “I’m tired of not being taken seriously by my parents,” who, despite her requests, have refused to take the photos down.

      If you were refusing your child's request, would you still cut them out of their life if they decided to get the legal system involved in having their request honored?

    75. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I posed two questions in my comment and you sidestepped/ignored both of them so let me ask them again:

      1. How are the parents victims here?

      You nare going to fucking hate this answer - I don't kno0w, because I never declared the parents victims. Go ask someone who said the parents are the victims 2. If this girl does not want her nude childhood pictures on Facebook, what options does she have after repeatedly asking her parents has failed?

      If it were me, I would return the favor. If she finds it embarrassing, then complain to Facebook, and put in a word about that Allow me to show you what you should already know

      https://www.facebook.com/terms

      Let us go down the parts that are possible relevant to this poor woman's embarassment, that causes her stress.

      Safety secttion 6. You will not bully, intimidate, or harass any user. 7. You will not post content that: is hate speech, threatening, or pornographic; incites violence; or contains nudity or graphic or gratuitous violence.

      Boom! Seems like according to the article, she finds this action by her parents to constitute harassment. DO you see that in the rules of facebook? Then most very specifically, there is that little part where Facebook specifically no Nudity.

      { So now you answer some questions. Why on earth would she not be able to get Facebook on her side by filing a TOS violation against her parents.

      Every

      time

      they

      post

      one

      of

      her

      photos?

      Unless these are just people that enjoy pissing each other off, there is a simple solution. This could even be done anonymously.

      Does that suffice for an acceptable answer my sweet potato? Because that's the alpha and omega of a simple failsafe solution, and its all the answer you shall get.

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    76. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      What if they were suing you because they had already asked you and you had refused? The article does not suggest this is her first course of action:

      > “I’m tired of not being taken seriously by my parents,” who, despite her requests, have refused to take the photos down.

      If you were refusing your child's request, would you still cut them out of their life if they decided to get the legal system involved in having their request honored?

      As I replied to another, she has options. She can complain to facebook. They have specific rules about harassment, bullying, and nudity.

      As for the other questions, this isn't about me. I wouldn't post photos of my children anywhere without their consent. So this situation wouldn't happen. I don't know what I could do that would elicit a lawsuit, because by and large, may family and I don't roll that way. But yes, if one of them sued me, it would be a relationship ending event.

      Don't like it? Sue me.

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    77. Re:Childish... by i.kazmi · · Score: 1
      In response to:

      It is pure bullying by her parents

      you said:

      Victims are now becoming the bullies.

      Since the gp called the parents bullies and you countered with what I presume means that the gp is calling the victims in this situation bullies, it follows that you think the parents are somehow the victims here, if I missed something kindly point it out.

      As for your question, how do you know that she hasn't been filing complaints with FB for months and getting pictures removed only for her parents to re-upload them? It would appear that the parents have made it a point of pride and believe that since they took the pics, its their right to do with em whatever they want. Since its her parents we are talking about, unfriending them on Facebook does not really guarantee that people won't intentionally (or unintentionally) find their profiles and if they're uploading these pictures as public (which I believe they are) anyone can view them. Since its an ongoing problem for the girl, I believe it would become pretty cumbersome pretty quickly to keep filling out the Facebook complaint form and getting the images removed each time they get reuploaded. In this scenario, I can't see any options besides either forcefully deleting the images and any backups that the parents might have which I think is not going to go down too well (and could result in violence) or get legal help against the ongoing harassment which would possibly forcefully stop the parents from uploading the offending pics.

      Honestly, talking to you has reminded me of Juror 3 from 12 Angry Men. Hmmph lets see if I can rope my pops into re-watching the movie with me...ciao angry old man, here's to hoping you resolve whatever issues you have with your son...

    78. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      In response to:

      It is pure bullying by her parents

      you said:

      Victims are now becoming the bullies.

      Since the gp called the parents bullies and you countered with what I presume means that the gp is calling the victims in this situation bullies, it follows that you think the parents are somehow the victims here, if I missed something kindly point it out.

      No, I'm responding to the thread of the conversation. If we can go back and not follow the thread, I can fram my personal thoughts on both the parents and the daughter.

      My thoughts on the parents are:

      They are fucking asshioles, You can qute that, and it is what I think th eparents are. Assholes. The parents are stupid teasing assholes. As in anal orifice type stinking assholes. You know assholes Am I clear that I think the parents aer smelly assholes? As in being assholes?

      However, and this is where you are going to go sensitive snowflake on me

      The daughter is an asshole as well. As they say in platitude land, th enut doesn't land far from the tree.

      Rather than involve lawyers, and tht sort of also asshole stuff, I wonder if she complained to Facebook? They have a rather strict policy on nudity. Perhaps you saw where they actually edited a historic photo, removing the naughty bits in the little girl who was running naked from a fire after her villiage in Vietnam was napalmed. (note they later apologized for teh alteration - but this young ladies caae is not historic) They also have policies on harassment. It sounds like the daughter sees it as harassment, and any parent who is not an asshole would stop doing what a child believes is harassment.

      So quit talking to me, because you are also showing some charactistics of assholism. Besides, I might tke it as harassment.

      Sincerely, Juror number 3.

      You can have the last reply, because I'm tired of this conversation, my dear snowflake.

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    79. Re:Childish... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      She could try reporting the pictures to Facebook, it might even work. I would expect naked pictures of a child to be along the lines of child pornography enough to get a response from Facebook to the complaint, even if they were non sexual in nature.

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    80. Re:Childish... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

      it should not be a matter for the legal system, the family should sort it out between themselves.

      She asked for the photos to be taken down, and her parents repeatedly refused.

      What lawful choices does she have aside from asking nicely or filing suit?

      And I hope she wins. I am not participating in this post-every-moment madness with my children; it's disgusting.

      Let them decide if they want to share that stuff with the world or not. Digital content can spread quickly and live forever---it's not like the 1980s where you can just grab the photo back if it upsets someone.

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    81. Re:Childish... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Have slashdot users become so stupid that they would mark someone's simple opinion as "Troll"? The Eldritch AOL Gods smile upon thee!

      Hint: Over rated would be a better choice than Troll

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    82. Re:Childish... by inking · · Score: 1

      Which is entirely irrelevant to the point made.

    83. Re:Childish... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Baby pictures.
      If you are embarrassed by pictures of you as a baby then you have serious mental issues and should be contacting a psychiatrist, not a lawyer.

    84. Re:Childish... by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      You have apparently not had too much interaction with white, upper middle class, millennial, girls.
      They truly believe that the world owes them everything, and that they have the right to retaliate against anyone who doesn't give them what they want.
      They also believe that the law does not apply to them, and they are nearly correct, since it is almost unheard of for one of them to get any actual punishment from the courts, regardless of their crimes.

    85. Re:Childish... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Not in Austria. It's more likely that her dad really sees her as his property to do with her as he sees fit, things are a little bit more ... traditional, in those areas of Austria especially.

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  3. It begins... by Flavianoep · · Score: 2

    It has been some years since specialists began to warn about the dangers of over exposition of children online.

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    1. Re:It begins... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oh horseshit, People have been embarrassing their offspring with photos since the camera was first invented. This sounds very similar to people suing each other over a patent that says "ON THE INTERNET" on it.

    2. Re:It begins... by quenda · · Score: 2

      It has been some years since specialists began to warn about the dangers of over exposition of children online.

      What danger? Turning them into narcissistic lawsuit-happy idiots?

    3. Re:It begins... by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      That one, exactly.

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    4. Re:It begins... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The difference is that, these days, the entire world can search for a person and find those embarrassing pictures at will. In the pre-internet days, that embarrassment was limited to the number of people whom the parents could physically shove those pictures in front of, assuming they didn't rent a billboard or something absurd like that. Instant global availability does changes things a bit, you have to admit. What happens if those pictures are the first thing that shows up when someone performs an online search using her name? Maybe that's not the first pictures she'd prefer to have someone find of her.

      Worth suing your parents over? Obviously, this family had other issues. Reasonably people would have agreed to take down the photos after realizing it was making the child uncomfortable.

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    5. Re:It begins... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      find those embarrassing pictures

      Being embarrassed about being a child is a form of psychosis in itself.

      As you said, this family has other issues.

    6. Re:It begins... by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      Slight difference.

      It's one thing to get embarrassed in front of uncle Fred and auntie Erna.

      It's another thing to get lewd comments about those photos from the creepy-ass neighbor nobody in the whole street wants to talk to.

      Notice the difference?

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    7. Re:It begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe this over exposition of children online is called "evolution"

    8. Re:It begins... by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      I believe this over exposition of children online is called "evolution"

      I have a better word for you: "de-evolution". Also: just because something is shining new, it does not follows that it it better.

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    9. Re:It begins... by Flavianoep · · Score: 1

      Nobody is embarrassed about having been a child. Having pictures of oneself scattered online is not inherent to being a child.

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    10. Re:It begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right....and the 18 year olds drunken party pics and ducklip posts are far worse than anything the parents could post.

      I can possibly understand anything involving the kid being nude or whatnot...but that'd be it.

      if the girl wins, time for the parents to put them in picture frames and post them in ALL the windows of their home - facing outward.

      also hope the parents cut her off

    11. Re:It begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are that embarrassed about childhood photos of yourself you have much bigger issues.

    12. Re:It begins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely reasonable parents who actually care about their child's feelings would have taken them down when asked. From the summary it sounds like she has already asked, so the lawsuit is the only option left.

  4. Good Lord... by jratcliffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm trying to wrap my brain around a parent who says no to their child's request that photos of the child be taken down from the Internet. This isn't even an issue of good parenting, it's an issue of common courtesy!

    1. Re:Good Lord... by unixisc · · Score: 0, Troll

      Precisely!!! And what sort of parent puts nude pics of their kids online? Usually, one would think it's the parents who are right, but in this case, the parents, or at least the dad, is a perv

    2. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm trying to wrap my brain around a parent who says no to their child's request that photos of the child be taken down from the Internet.

      This isn't even an issue of good parenting, it's an issue of common courtesy!

      I'm trying to wrap my brain around someone who's embarrassed about something and thinking suing someone over it will somehow make things better.

      Streisand effect, anyone?

      "This embarrasses me, so my next step WILL MAKE EVEN MORE PEOPLE AWARE OF IT!!!"

      Either brains are in short supply in that family tree (nuts aren't...), or this is really about something else entirely. And that's NOT an exclusive or.

    3. Re:Good Lord... by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Informative

      Rules tend to be different when it's non sexualized photos of an infant. That's likely the case here.

    4. Re:Good Lord... by Narcocide · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect this issue goes far deeper than some nude baby photos. She probably is experiencing harassment from them on a nearly daily basis because they think that she is their property and they have souls made of shit. I can fully sympathize with eventually being fed up with this illegal, abusive treatment and deciding that there is nowhere else to turn but the law. Seriously. You don't seriously consider taking your parents to court as an adult if they were fair and good to you your whole childhood.

    5. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh, similar to a childhood friend, etc. It sets interesting precedent with what rights we have to images of ourselves.

    6. Re:Good Lord... by mjr167 · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I tell my kids tough shit, suck it all the time. It's called being a parent and caving into random whims about stupid stuff. I mean... what kind of parent says no to a kid who wants ice cream for dinner! They want it so they must have it!

      Seriously... everyone has baby photos. We take photos of babies and post them on the internet. Before the internet we put them in books and then drug the books out whenever our kids brought home a significant other. Get over it. You were once a baby naked and covered in mud/spaghetti sauce and your parents took a picture. It probably even got taken in to work and is hanging up in a cube/office. That time you crapped your pants? Mom and Dad remember and will bring it up. Again. And Again. You'll probably do the same thing to your kids. Suck it up. Life is tough and not everyone likes you. It's my job to make sure you have the tools to make it, not be your friend.

      I suppose it is possible that these 'embarrassing' childhood photos are not the typical spaghetti covered baby photos. But if that is the case, the parents probably belong in jail for other reasons.

    7. Re:Good Lord... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      This embarrasses me, so my next step WILL MAKE EVEN MORE PEOPLE AWARE OF IT!!!

      In general, I care far more about being embarrassed in front of my friends than everyone in China.

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    8. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect this issue goes far deeper than some nude baby photos. She probably is experiencing harassment from them on a nearly daily basis because they think that she is their property and they have souls made of shit. I can fully sympathize with eventually being fed up with this illegal, abusive treatment and deciding that there is nowhere else to turn but the law. Seriously. You don't seriously consider taking your parents to court as an adult if they were fair and good to you your whole childhood.

      It's much more likely the daughter is a hypersensitive, unsympathetic, thoughtless, self-absorbed twit.

      Disclaimer: I have a teenage daughter.

    9. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We take photos of babies and post them [in public]. Before the internet we [kept them in private].

      Hey, don't get all pissy when your grown kids stop talking to you. Look in the mirror instead of whinging in an advice column about how awful your kids are.

    10. Re:Good Lord... by jratcliffe · · Score: 5, Informative

      I tell my kids tough shit, suck it all the time. It's called being a parent and caving into random whims about stupid stuff. I mean... what kind of parent says no to a kid who wants ice cream for dinner! They want it so they must have it!

      Seriously... everyone has baby photos. We take photos of babies and post them on the internet. Before the internet we put them in books and then drug the books out whenever our kids brought home a significant other. Get over it. You were once a baby naked and covered in mud/spaghetti sauce and your parents took a picture. It probably even got taken in to work and is hanging up in a cube/office. That time you crapped your pants? Mom and Dad remember and will bring it up. Again. And Again. You'll probably do the same thing to your kids. Suck it up. Life is tough and not everyone likes you. It's my job to make sure you have the tools to make it, not be your friend.

      I suppose it is possible that these 'embarrassing' childhood photos are not the typical spaghetti covered baby photos. But if that is the case, the parents probably belong in jail for other reasons.

      I am a parent. I also have respect for my child (and for people in general), and their reasonable right to their privacy. If I posted an old picture of a friend from college, and that friend said "hey, I'd rather not have that on the Internet," I'd immediately take it down.

    11. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. She should win this case in full with little to no questions asked. People don't understand the danger they put their friends and family in when they share images on facebook. It is a gross invasion of privacy and gives governments information that they should never be privy to. I can't believe that there are some people defending her parents actions.

    12. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is the dad a perv, but not the mom? And why are childhood photos porn? They have been shown to friends and relatives since photos started being taken. In the US, of course, the parents would be arrested as pornographers, but then again, we overdo most stuff when it comes to the human body.

    13. Re:Good Lord... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Precisely!!! And what sort of parent puts nude pics of their kids online? Usually, one would think it's the parents who are right, but in this case, the parents, or at least the dad, is a perv

      If it were the UK they'd be sex offenders.

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    14. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's if he's lucky. My cousin's father was a real hardass - thought he was making him "tough" for the real World. When he inherited a couple of million dollars from his Dad, it all went up his nose, down his throat and on women because he thought of himself as this worthless piece of shit. His Dad never said "attaboy!" It was always criticism. He ended up one of those guys who was always seeking approval from everyone. I'd watch his "friends" pick on him and bully him and he just smiled and took it - he just couldn't stick up for himself.

      After blowing through the 2 million bucks, he kind of disappeared. He was found dead months later from an OD.

      Most parents are either too strict and critical or too permissive. Either produces a fucked up kid and then adult.

    15. Re:Good Lord... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This isn't even an issue of good parenting, it's an issue of common courtesy!

      Those are mostly the same thing. Many people have asked me how I taught my kids to be so polite. I explain that I never taught them manners, I just treat them with courtesy and respect, and they have learned through example. If I ask them to do something, I say "please". When they do it, I say "thank you". I knock before entering their bedroom. If we are going out to eat, I ask them their preference. Etc.

    16. Re:Good Lord... by bfpierce · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We take photos of babies and post them on the internet. Before the internet we put them in books and then drug the books out whenever our kids brought home a significant other.

      You don't recognize there's a massive difference in scale there? I mean really?

      It's like you embraced the internet fully but didn't recognize that it's a completely different thing than the books on your shelves. Yours kids employers aren't going around looking at your bookshelves, they are looking at their social media if it's public.

      That's just for starters...

    17. Re:Good Lord... by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      She's an adult now. You will probably want your kids to talk to you when you're 70. No one is going to carry a grudge about the lack of ice cream dinners, but this sort of thing? Public embarrassment of an adult? Questionably legal (clearly they don't have her consent as a model, though I'm not sure how Austrian law works for photos)? That's the sort of thing that makes people decide their life is better if they disown you.

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    18. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, in my experience, many Austrians are kind of assholes...

    19. Re:Good Lord... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe in the US.

      It's pretty commonplace for infant kids to run around naked on the beach in Europe for example. My niece is 4, and when I'm iChatting my parents over in the UK, it's pretty common to see her wandering round the house naked (lunchtime here being bath time in the UK). I don't see why photos are any different. Nudity just isn't such a big deal when the kid is so young they're still "innocent", at least for most Europeans. As far as I'm aware it's the same in Asia. It's mainly the US that's so puritanical over the human body.

      And (presumably) the photos aren't sexual in nature. If someone was jacking off to them, the fault lies with that person, not with the photo.

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    20. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear! And when you grow old and senile and need to be put in a home, and your kids put you in the most decrepit home possible, well, tough shit!

    21. Re:Good Lord... by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      I would remove some pictures, but not all of them. Also, I would say "no" if her reason was that she's ugly, or some other non-sense like that.

      If she really doesn't want to see her old pictures, she should just untag herself through Facebook and unfriend her parents.

    22. Re:Good Lord... by mjr167 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If your employer doesn't hire you because of a naked spaghetti covered baby photo from 20 years ago, you probably need a better employer. Those kinds of photos are not things that reasonable people should be embarrassed about.

      Weren't we all talking about that poor girl who got napalmed having her photo plastered all over the net the other day? And the world pretty much told her to suck it too. We didn't even need the internet to spread her picture around.

    23. Re: Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      APK, is that you?

    24. Re:Good Lord... by bfpierce · · Score: 1

      I'd just like to point out that: "It's my job to make sure you have the tools to make it, not be your friend."

      Is kinda of contradictory based upon your 'fuck you I don't care about your employers' attitude.

      Bringing up the napalm girl isn't even close to relevant here, and um, that was indeed a controversial talking point at the time it was broadcast, and still today even.

    25. Re:Good Lord... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Or, it could be that the parents are harassing the daughter because she is a twit in a huge game of one up-manship. Streisand effect is also in play here, and the pictures are no doubt being duplicated on sites that are not Facebook.

      I am not sure what this lawsuit is supposed to do, but I am pretty sure it is having the exact opposite effect.

      1) the Parents come off as douchbags
      2) the Daughter comes off as "Precious Snowflake"
      3) The lawsuit is having Streisand effect.

      They just need to figure out
      4) ???

      And they will win with

      5) Profit!!!

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    26. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume that she hates you because you're an uncaring fuckwad?

    27. Re:Good Lord... by ewibble · · Score: 2

      Agreed I don't find pictures of a child going potty, sexual, and hopefully the vast majority rest of society doesn't either.

      Also why do you assume its the Dad, my wife used to take photos of my children doing things naked. I didn't like it. Mainly because people like you that somehow think a nude child is somehow sexual, and because I thought it maybe embarrassing for them later. But I understood I was being a bit over the top.

      I have a problem getting my children to keep their cloths on, I am working on making them ashamed of their body though.

    28. Re:Good Lord... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Maybe in the US.

      It's pretty commonplace for infant kids to run around naked on the beach in Europe for example. My niece is 4, and when I'm iChatting my parents over in the UK, it's pretty common to see her wandering round the house naked (lunchtime here being bath time in the UK). I don't see why photos are any different. Nudity just isn't such a big deal when the kid is so young they're still "innocent", at least for most Europeans. As far as I'm aware it's the same in Asia. It's mainly the US that's so puritanical over the human body.

      And (presumably) the photos aren't sexual in nature. If someone was jacking off to them, the fault lies with that person, not with the photo.

      I believe, though I don't have the time to google for it right now, that people in the UK have got in trouble for beach photos with kids in various states of undress. Being British I can totally believe that its true...

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    29. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or yet another version might be that the daughter and or the parents are fucking nuts.

    30. Re:Good Lord... by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      However, it's a much more complex issue than that if you dig into it. According to copyright law, the photographers are the creators of those photos and have control over them. The subject was a minor and as such didn't have the authority to assign consent for use of them in the photos for various purposes - that falls to the parent or guardian who just happens to also be the content creator so naturally they would approve. And seeing as this is a non-commercial use, the previous point probably doesn't even apply.

      It's annoying, but then again this is a world where there is a potentially valid argument being put forth that because a primate grabbed a camera that was pointed in its direction and in the process of handling the camera, pressed the shutter button, the primate in question "owns" the photo.
      http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2014/08/06/monkey_selfie_who_owns_the_copyright.html

    31. Re:Good Lord... by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      > Or, it could be that the parents are harassing the
      > daughter because she is a twit in a huge game of
      > one up-manship.

      Both could be true. Teenagers can undoubtedly be self-absorbed and obstinate. But there are also, without a doubt, parents who view humiliating their children as something between a sport and a god-given right. In this case, the latter is definitely true. So the only question is whether or not the former is as well.

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    32. Re:Good Lord... by Space+cowboy · · Score: 2

      The law in the UK is specifically *not* for this sort of thing:

      "The most recent amendment to the law, outlawing the possession of pornographic photographs of children, was introduced seven years ago, amid intense lobbying from campaigners who included Mary Whitehouse. Although John Patten, then a Home Office minister, emphasised it was not the intention to catch innocent family snaps of naked children in the bath or on the beach"

      I quickly googled. There *are* people getting into trouble for taking photos of naked teens etc. on European beaches, but the photographer wasn't related to those teens and that makes a big difference. Naked teenagers is also a lot different from naked 4 year-olds. I didn't find anything successfully prosecuted over naked infant snaps when the photographer was related.

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    33. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Her legal guardians at the time the photos were taken decided it was ok to put the photos online. She has a point about pictures taken now, as the parents are no longer her legal guardians.

    34. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the dad a perv, but not the mom? And why are childhood photos porn?

      Because when the dad sees the pictures he sees a cumshot that has grown and developed. Cumshots are porn.

    35. Re:Good Lord... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Also why do you assume its the Dad, my wife used to take photos of my children doing things naked. I didn't like it.

      B'cos in the summary, it explicitly stated this

      The woman's father reportedly believes he's in the right to post the pictures because he took them.

    36. Re:Good Lord... by lgw · · Score: 1

      Her legal guardians at the time the photos were taken decided it was ok to put the photos online. She has a point about pictures taken now, as the parents are no longer her legal guardians.

      So that's Austrian law then? Sounds like speculation. The rights of an adult regarding decisions make by their guardians earlier aren't exactly standardized.

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    37. Re:Good Lord... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      the daughter is a hypersensitive, unsympathetic, thoughtless, self-absorbed twit.

      ....who learned it from her parents. It's a family issue gone to court.

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    38. Re:Good Lord... by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Really, I wasn't even thinking of it in terms of "who has the legal rights to the pictures." I'm appalled that the parents would even take that question into account.

    39. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      British people need ID to buy tea-spoons, so not exactly the embodiment of a sane society if you ask me.

    40. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *or jilling

    41. Re:Good Lord... by ewibble · · Score: 1

      Or it is people harassing her because they can get a reaction, the appropriate response is so what there are nude baby photos out there.

    42. Re:Good Lord... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      It's much more likely the daughter is a hypersensitive, unsympathetic, thoughtless, self-absorbed twit. Disclaimer: I have a teenage daughter.

      Even if she were, refusing to remove a picture of a person when that person doesn't want it to be on Facebook is pretty much a lose by default in my book. Even if it's a completely ordinary, legal photo taken during a public event I'd still take it down on request, anything else is a dick move. I suppose if it is necessary to expose that person as a huge liar or hypocrite or you signed a formal model release I might find some exceptions for the lesser evil, but I don't see anything like that apply here.

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    43. Re:Good Lord... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      So if we want all the kids to act nice, we just have to make all the adults act nice. That makes the problem sooooooooooo much simpler. Let's be honest here, being a parent is a license to be a huge hypocrite when it comes to pretty much any behavrioral standard or adult theme. I think most parents would feel their job was a lot harder if the kids had unadultered access to alcohol, smoking, drug and sex habits their parents had. For the most part, people try to raise them better than themselves. Maybe that's the real you, but in that case you're the minority...

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    44. Re:Good Lord... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Depending where you are, whether the photos are 'sexualised' depends entirely on the viewer... if someone were to jack off over them they're sexualised and therefore child porn!

      Err no. Something being sexualised does not make it porn. If I jack off over your use name that doesn't mean Slashdot should remove it out of decency, and if that is the criteria then we should lock everyone in a dark room and hope no one gets aroused by being in dark enclosed spaces.

    45. Re:Good Lord... by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Oh ffs, not this old stupidity again.

      It's only if they're silver, and if you can't demonstrate you're purchasing on behalf of the local land owner.

      Even then being able to reference your page in Who's Who suffices.

    46. Re:Good Lord... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      Well my kids often run around naked in the house also but when I take photos, I always crop them so that no pipis or poopoos are showing on photos that will be shown to others.

    47. Re:Good Lord... by zwarte+piet · · Score: 1

      Abuse comes in many forms.

    48. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An 18-year-old woman...

      She's an adult now.

      While I can sympathise with her predicament. An 18 year old is just not an adult in any way. Legally perhaps, but not really.

      Have you been to a university campus on a Friday night lately? They're just kids. Big kids, but still kids.

    49. Re:Good Lord... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So if we want all the kids to act nice, we just have to make all the adults act nice.

      Politeness and niceness are two different things. Cold hearted people can be very polite. I have a rude and profane friend who drove 120 miles to help me when my car broke down, and ridiculed me all the way home. He is a great friend and a nice guy, but not polite at all.

      being a parent is a license to be a huge hypocrite

      There is no reason that a hypocrite cannot treat other people with dignity and respect.

    50. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is, you are the child's custodian. You're supposed to make decisions in it's place which it's not qualified to make, looking after their interests when they can't.

      Now, in who's interest is it to have these pictures posted on the internet? The childs, or the custodians? What's in it for the kid?

      Pretty clear that the custodians are using the child to satisfy their own whims, and nothing else. Which is per definition not acting as a custodian, but an asshole.

    51. Re:Good Lord... by Trogre · · Score: 1

      You don't have children, do you?

      Pro tip: Not all behaviour comes from family. Not even close.

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    52. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tell my kids tough shit, suck it all the time. It's called being a parent and caving into random whims about stupid stuff. I mean... what kind of parent says no to a kid who wants ice cream for dinner! They want it so they must have it!

      Seriously... everyone has baby photos. We take photos of babies and post them on the internet. Before the internet we put them in books and then drug the books out whenever our kids brought home a significant other. Get over it. You were once a baby naked and covered in mud/spaghetti sauce and your parents took a picture. It probably even got taken in to work and is hanging up in a cube/office. That time you crapped your pants? Mom and Dad remember and will bring it up. Again. And Again. You'll probably do the same thing to your kids. Suck it up. Life is tough and not everyone likes you. It's my job to make sure you have the tools to make it, not be your friend.

      I suppose it is possible that these 'embarrassing' childhood photos are not the typical spaghetti covered baby photos. But if that is the case, the parents probably belong in jail for other reasons.

      And this is why you're going to end up in a nursing home one day wondering why nobody comes to visit you or even call.

    53. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, are you posting naked photos of your daughter from when she was a child to the internet? When she was on the damn toilet? If not, why not? Because that's what these people are doing.

      Maybe you're a sane parent—but these parents aren't.

    54. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Every major site is trying to monetize you, Facebook is simply better than most. Personally, I have refused to have my picture taken at weddings and family events due to privacy concerns. Facebook has no right to store or monetize my image, browsing habits, or store my data. I have never submitted to their agreement, and their sites are all blocked on the /etc/hosts list of my family computers.

      No government has no right to invade my privacy, but that is changing in the courtroom. Every idiot who posts pictures and writes about their meaningless life for all to see damages my right to privacy. In a legal setting, one might ask what a "reasonable person" would do. Given enough idiots, the definition of a "reasonable person" is transformed into someone who invites others to consume the private details of their lives.

      The idiots always say, "Let them watch me, I have nothing to hide." Does one have to be guilty to be persecuted by a government or ostracized by society? Think about the number of people who have lost their careers over a flippant comment, been stalked by predators, or endured harassment to suicide by peers. You can read about it every day. This is the new normal.

      Police officers constantly troll Facebook to "monitor" their communities. People (rightfully) go to jail after posting evidence of their crimes, while others are entrapped, tracked, and placed on secret lists for participating in constitutionally protected, peaceful protests. School officials use it to spy on their students and suspend them for bullying or other improprieties taking place off campus and after school hours. These are the acts of a totalitarian regime.

      Even in the best of circumstances, Facebook is tracking your behavior on practically every site. They use this to feed you opinions similar to your own, reinforcing your prejudice. They also use it to reinforce your consumerism. It's called the Semantic Web.

      Is this the kind of world you want to live in? A world where you can count the number of "friends" and "likes" that you have at the expense of your liberty? Do you really want to live in a rumor mill which chews people up and spits them out like a Hollywood tabloid? We have willingly become the oppressive society that the terrorists envisioned thanks to social media.

      You are the product. You are the lamb, happily being led to the slaughter. Brother you can count me out. - Anonymous Coward.

    55. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enjoy your time abandoned in a nursing home somewhere. Suck it up. Life is tough and not everyone likes you. Can you imagine why that would be?

    56. Re:Good Lord... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      we tell everyone they can have pics of our infants, but no online posts unless they clear it with us. part of it is the monetization, mostly dot add to a global face recognition db until they can make that choice themselves

    57. Re:Good Lord... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You can blame other people if you want,
      but I still blame you.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    58. Re:Good Lord... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Perhaps she hopes to help others avoid going through the same thing. Also, she is likely to get substantial compensation due to the media exposure.

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    59. Re:Good Lord... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's a question of permission. The girl who was a victim of US napalm has not withdrawn permission for it to be used, and there is a strong journalistic interest in seeing it too. In this case it's the exact opposite of those two things.

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    60. Re:Good Lord... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Modesty - The quality of being modest; freedom from vanity, boastfulness, etc.http://www.dictionary.com/browse/modesty. The parents are denying their child the right of modesty. Of not being exposed to strangers, of strangers knowing more about them, than they know of those strangers, of being figuratively speaking invisible in public.

      Now if you want to get all new age sciency and take into account quantum consciousness (no fakery higgery jiggery, just hard at the pointy end science), that alteration of awareness of individuals by the group, could have significant impact based upon DNA and genetics (yeah, really weird crap does occur down at that level and just because you lack the genetics and DNA to consciously sense it, does not mean it does not exist nor that it will not have a subconscious impact upon you).

      From a psychology viewpoint if the impact of the exposure does cause a negative psychological impact than it should stop (keep in mind different genes, different DNA, different cerebral reactions to events and different negative or positive outcomes). This is part of the whole, do not force extroverts to be introverts or introverts to be extroverts, it never turns out well ( eg generally speaking those extroverts forced to be introverts will attack society, whilst the introverts forced to be extroverts will become self destructive).

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    61. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my god. i will pray for you, dear heart. remember: it gets better

    62. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have said teenage instead of hypersensitive, unsympathetic, thoughtless, self-absorbed, always online, social media twit.
      Disclaimer: I also have a teenage daughter.

    63. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I posted an old picture of a friend from college, and that friend said "hey, I'd rather not have that on the Internet," I'd immediately take it down.

      Too late for that, it's still on the net. You should have asked BEFORE posting the fucking picture. Oh, I know, it's easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission.

    64. Re:Good Lord... by anarcobra · · Score: 1

      What if she doesn't want other people to see pictures of her?
      They are pictures of her, not her parents.
      Maybe her parents should post naked pics of themselves as kids on facebook if they can't live without the attention.

    65. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a legal status, not a social one.

    66. Re:Good Lord... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      >and if that is the criteria then we should lock everyone in a dark room and hope no one gets aroused by being in dark enclosed spaces.

      Faint hope. There's an actual fetish for that. It's called mummification, a subset of bondage, there is another fetish for sensory deprivation - and they do come combined.

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    67. Re:Good Lord... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If I posted an old picture of a friend from college, and that friend said "hey, I'd rather not have that on the Internet," I'd immediately take it down.

      Yes, but you wouldn't expect him to sue you if you refused, although it would presumably mean the end of your friendship. I think it is evident that the daughter and parents are well past the stage of being on friendly terms.

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    68. Re:Good Lord... by mjr167 · · Score: 1

      It's also part of my job to help my children recognize when relationships are healthy or unhealthy. Like I said, an employer that cares about something as trivial as your baby photos is not someone you want to work for. Why on earth would you judge an adult based on a photo of them as an infant or small child? Are you seriously going to not hire someone based on a photo from 20 years ago?

      If my child told me her friends would only be her friends if she cut her hair short and wore brown shirts, I would tell her to get better friends and I hope you would too. Or would you run out and buy her an entirely new wardrobe so she could 'fit in'? Do you buy your daughter a real American Girl Doll because all her friends have one and they won't be her friend if she doesn't have one? That actually happened to my niece. Or do you tell her that real friends don't care about that?

    69. Re:Good Lord... by Holi · · Score: 1

      Wait, so only land owners can have silver tea-spoons?

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    70. Re:Good Lord... by mjr167 · · Score: 2

      She apparently tried. In her documentary it talks about how she tried to get people to stop distributing the photo. From her point of view as a young woman that was a pretty terrible picture to have going around. But the media simply ignored her because it was 'important'. It wasn't until she was much older that she was able to recognize and accept the historic significance of the photo.

    71. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i can understand the nude pics and the girl wanting them removed.

      anything else? too damn bad.

    72. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The daughter could take pictures of her parents in whatever situations she thinks of, and put the pictures on facebook.

    73. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That time you crapped your pants? Mom and Dad remember and will bring it up."

      Does it apply if the children take pictures of their Alzheimer or cancerous parents crapping their pants ?

    74. Re:Good Lord... by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      Stop assuming people are rational.
      Everything counts.

      If there are 3 other people of roughly the same skill as you and they will have a slightly higher risk not to take you seriously based on a silly picture?
      That can hurt you.

      Of course, they can also find it endearing and not hire you.

      My point is that personal marketing MATTERS.

    75. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my experience, a huge portion of lawsuits are caused by both parties being assholes. Well-adjusted people can generally work things out with other well-adjusted people, ignore minor issues, etc.

      And if you raised a hypersensitive, unsympathetic, thoughtless, self-absorbed twit maybe you bear some responsibility as a parent for that.

    76. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just having returned from a three month vacation at a European beach location, this whole thread is so crazy. At least half the girls there didn't wear tops until they were about 10, and it was not uncommon to see younger kids (generally under 4) running around completely naked. Nobody cares, and as an added bonus the kids don't grow up with bizarre puritanical body and sexuality issues.

    77. Re:Good Lord... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      psychology viewpoint if the impact of the exposure does cause a negative psychological impact

      As does exposure to chalk marks at Emory University, so it seems.

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    78. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm trying to wrap my brain around a parent who says no to their child's request that photos of the child be taken down from the Internet.

      This isn't even an issue of good parenting, it's an issue of common courtesy!

      I'm trying to wrap my head around a teen who more than likely shoots themselves in the foot online in a million different ways, but is suing their own parents for baby pictures.

    79. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is an enormous list of "things I don't want other people to do". However, I recognize that most of those things are both trivial, and completely unreasonable to try and enforce.

    80. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot

    81. Re:Good Lord... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I had to look this up:

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      It was apparently a mistake, but your response made even less sense.

      It also looks like that it is actually pretty widespread as spoons are considered drug paraphernalia (it is used in the preparation of Crack I believe).

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    82. Re:Good Lord... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My parents were abusive but outwardly appeared quite normal and happy as near as I could tell. I don't like my surviving parent cheerfully talking about her rose tinted version of my childhood. The whole thing is embarrassing for me but she'll happily talk about what a wonderfully strange quirky little kid I was.

      Strange and quirky because I was getting beaten regularly and prescribed so much Ritalin that sometimes I would have an an anxiety attack. Of course it was never recognized, I was just being her weird little sped but at least quiet because the medication must be working. There was also a short list of medical conditions that she seems to regard as minor that she reminds me I must have even to this day. I won't get into detail but they wouldn't be minor and many of them would have contraindicated use of medications she liked to give me like candy as a kid. I've mentioned them to doctors but they've never said I had signs of any of them and now I've shut up lest it raises my insurance rates.

      No I could picture her spamming my childhood all over the place. I'm a child to love not an adult to respect, that could be damaged socially or professionally by her stupid yammering.

  5. Interesting Question by minogully · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Do parents need consent if they are already granted the rights to make legal decisions for their under 18-year-old children? Can't they just decide for the kid as is their obligation and right?

    1. Re: Interesting Question by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      Depends in the country. In Germany starting with 14 you can deny your parents to post content on you. It can be different in Austria, the USA, the UK etc.

    2. Re:Interesting Question by watermark · · Score: 1

      The summary says she's 18. Pardon if you realized this and were trying to make a point unrelated to the article.

    3. Re:Interesting Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably not 18 at the time the photos were posted, and the "legal decisions" to post the photos were made.

    4. Re:Interesting Question by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      But, from the original source: "She claims that since 2009 they have made her life a misery by constantly posting photos of her, including embarrassing and intimate images from her childhood."

      GP asked a legitimate question concerning whether the parents need consent when they have the power to make legal decisions on behalf of their minor child, i.e., from 2009 to 2015-16.

      Her present age is only relevant if you support some form of the "right to be forgotten" that applies to everyone -- not merely "data processors" or commercial services -- or, even more controversially in my opinion, a right to control non-commercial uses of one's image.

    5. Re:Interesting Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Children are not property. You do not own your children, you're their custodian. You're supposed to look after their interests, not satisfy your own wishes at their expense.

    6. Re:Interesting Question by minogully · · Score: 1

      I realized this and felt I was making a point absolutely related to the article. Since, there's a span of years that the photos were taken and posted most of them would have been prior to the girl's 18th birthday. So, wouldn't they have had the legal right to give consent for the girl?

      Side question, when you turn 18 and have the rights to decide things for yourself, can you revoke previous decisions made on behalf of yourself? I presume, yes, but IANAL.

    7. Re:Interesting Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that same vein, you are under legal obligation to provide food, shelter, clothing, education, and to take care of their health.

      Your children don't owe you jack shit in return for that. Morally or legally.

    8. Re:Interesting Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a "kid" is old enough to ask for photos of them be removed from public shitfests like FB, that's the only thing that matters. These parents are disgusting people, and have put their own vanity above the legitimate request of their own daughter. How are these parents going to feel when the photos they posted start to be found on paedo stashes after PS treatment? I'll tell you, they won't give a crap.

      This case is an 18 year old. She is legally old enough to have had two kids by now, do service in the military and kill people on behalf of her govt; she can drink in pubs, and drive all by HGVs on the public roads. And yet you say they have no say. I wonder why. What do you get out of it?

    9. Re:Interesting Question by minogully · · Score: 1

      This case is an 18 year old. She is legally old enough to have had two kids by now, do service in the military and kill people on behalf of her govt; she can drink in pubs, and drive all by HGVs on the public roads. And yet you say they have no say. I wonder why. What do you get out of it?

      Perhaps you're trolling, but whatever. I'm taking the bait.

      I never said that the girl actually has no say in the matter (because I don't know this to be true), I was asking whether or not she has any say in the matter hoping that someone with more knowledge than I could answer. And what I get out of it is that I find law interesting, so the answer to this question intrigues me.

      Also, yes, she's 18. But this case covers years of photos being posted, so I'm really only talking about the ones where she was not yet 18. Does she have a legal right to say "no" to the people who are making her legal decisions? Morally, the parents should respect her wishes, but I'm not talking about morals, I'm talking about law - again because I find it interesting.

    10. Re:Interesting Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Your children don't owe you jack shit in return for that. Morally or legally.

      Ok and one day you will likely be old and unable to care for your needs. Hope they don't think that too.

  6. Christmas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Christmas dinner is going to be AWKWARD!

  7. Well, I guarantee... by ravenshrike · · Score: 2

    The days of her parents not taking her very seriously are coming to a middle.

    1. Re:Well, I guarantee... by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      If my daughter sued me over some trivial bullshit she'd no longer be my daughter. Well at least until her 18th birthday she may still be allowed to live in the house, but then she'd no longer be my daughter.

      Anyway I suspect that there's something deeply rotten in this entire family. Either the daughter is the worst shit in the world, she has psychiatric problems or the family has been horrifically incompetent with her upbringing. Or more likely a bit of all three.

    2. Re:Well, I guarantee... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or don't be a dick. If my teenage kid came to me and asked I remove a photo of them from a pubic forum like Facebook. I would very likely do it or if possible crop them out if it were a family picture. You know why? Because I care about my kids' feelings. Because don't be a dick. Its a lesson to teach my kids by my own example of treating others.

      The girl is not asking these photos be destroyed, but that they are removed from public access (aka Facebook). This is a reasonable request regardless of reason. And to call that daughter "daughter is the worst shit in the world, she has psychiatric problems" is being a major dick.

  8. Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must be a Millennial.

    1. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The Boomer approach when they were 18 would join a commune smoke a bunch of stuff and 40 years later find ways for everyone to pay their medical bills.
      Generation X approach would just leave the house and live off of internet stock.

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    2. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1, Funny

      Must be a Millennial.

      I don't know... suing them is showing initiative so can't be a typical Millennial.

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    3. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Talderas · · Score: 1

      An 18 year old would have been born in '97 or '98. A lot of people like to cut off the definition of millenials at '95.

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    4. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boomer: '45-'65
      Gen X: '65-'85
      Millennial: '85-'05

      The people who cut off Millennial at '95 need to share their definitions of generations...

    5. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by unixisc · · Score: 1

      85-00 should be Gen Y. Millennial should be everyone born since then

    6. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millenials ARE Gen Y. Two names for the same generation. Those born after 2000 (or 2005) are Gen Z.

    7. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, but most of my former classmates have succumbed so badly to mass-mindedness that they not only qualify, but demonstrate quite frighteningly the problem.

    8. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by lgw · · Score: 1

      Boomer: '45-'65
      Gen X: '65-'85
      Millennial: '85-'05

      The people who cut off Millennial at '95 need to share their definitions of generations...

      This. If you don't think someone born at the turn of the millennium is a Millennial, well, don't expect others to share your private definition.

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    9. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/25/millennials-overtake-baby-boomers/ For a definition.

    10. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Gen Z is who should be called Millennials. In fact, skip the Gen Z label, and use that for everyone born after 2025. After that, use iOS or Windows versioning rules to label the generations.

    11. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just doing a 20 year window makes no sense at all.

      Do you think people born in 65 have anything in common with people born in 85?

    12. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boomer: '45-'65
      Gen X: '65-'85
      Millennial: '85-'05

      The people who cut off Millennial at '95 need to share their definitions of generations...

      Only boomers are recognized by the US census bureau, the rest are just media terms made up to sell books, newspapers, etc. ("Boomer" was likely made up in collusion with the media, for similar purposes). As a late 50's baby, I consider myself GenW (as in: "wtf"), a precursor to GenX. We just do shit, & don't prattle on and on. It's all a personal opinion.

    13. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I thought cutting off at 95 meant making 1995 the lower end of the year range, or the earliest a millennial could have been born, not higher

    14. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millennials don't have 18 year old kids yet.

    15. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Here's a list of ranges that I was able to find for defining millennials. Scanning the lot of them it would look like the starting year is roughly 1980-1981 while the ending year is roughly considered around 1995-2000. The number of years covered by the range goes from 14-22 years. Suffice it to say, your definition of '85-'05 appears to about out of alignment.

      1977-1994
      1980-1994
      1980-1995
      1980-2000
      1981-2000
      1980-1996
      1980-1996
      1980-2000
      1980-???? (This one basically hasn't decided when to cut off and is adding all new 18 year olds to the generation)
      1982-2004
      1983-2001
      1983-2000

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    16. Re:Pathetic Crybaby As#hole by stdarg · · Score: 1

      The reason for the earlier cutoff is that people apply "millennials" to those who were growing up during the turn of the millennium, not born around it. Otherwise why would you include 1985 at the lower end (seems kind of far away) and why would it not be symmetrical?

      It's like if we were defining a "hippie generation" -- you wouldn't say "people born while hippies were prevalent" you'd say "people born who became young adults while hippies were prevalent", meaning the people who grew into hippies.

      For what it's worth I've usually seen millennials defined as born between 1980 and 1995.

  9. Sue for making you stupid by u19925 · · Score: 0

    Seriously, she has more chance of winning this lawsuit than the one she is filing. If she wins, next people will start filing lawsuit against parents for buying bicycle since she fell off the bike or buying a wrong brand of diapers.

    1. Re:Sue for making you stupid by ADRA · · Score: 1

      Sure, if the parent was knowingly (or at least with reasonable assumption) aware that a brand of diapers was causing harm, you most certainly can sue. If I was neglected or mistreated as a child, be it a parent, guardian, orphanage, etc.. I'd be in good standing to sue. As parent, you're talking the life and care of the child in your hands (if you don't like it, put them up for adoption). If you don't like big brother telling you how to raise your kids, move somewhere that doesn't care what the fuck you do to kids.

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    2. Re:Sue for making you stupid by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think this is a very particular case, not a sliding scale.
      As she is now 18 she has a professional reputation that she need to maintain as well an online presence. Kids pictures from the parent without the adult childs consent is rather hindering.

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    3. Re:Sue for making you stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if winning the suit is really the endgame. It's possible that the very act of suing is her way of broadcasting far and wide how much she dislikes her parents. It's not like a lawsuit would just emerge over a single argument; it sounds like there are some pretty deep issues between parents and child here.

      Capcha: aborted
      hmmm......

    4. Re:Sue for making you stupid by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      Who has u19925's naked baby pictures? Let's post them in public and see how u19925 likes it! Do you mind if I have your local newspaper publish them?

      Holy shit this thread is full of people who can't tell the difference between what should remain private and posting shit for all the world to see. Here I was starting to think this site had recovered somewhat.

    5. Re:Sue for making you stupid by u19925 · · Score: 1

      You can sue anyone for whatever you like. Question is, will you win? BTW, I didn't say diapers are causing harm, just that they were wrong brand.

      I have full freedom to decide how I want to raise my kids as long as I am not breaking any law. There is no law against using cheap diaper, buying ugly clothes or posting innocuous photos. If you can sue (and win) here, how will you prevent someone suing parent for sending him to soccer game causing injury?

      Every parents in the world has done few things that their grown up kids might not like. If you think big brother should interfere than you are the one who needs to leave this world. Parents want freedom, not your diktat.

    6. Re:Sue for making you stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I see it, the issue is one of respect. Regardless of how innocent the pictures may be or how much it's within her parents rights to post them, they are complete asshats for not showing any respect for their daughter or her heartfelt wishes. She is a human being deserving of respect from her parents just as much as the other way around.

    7. Re:Sue for making you stupid by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I use a picture of myself aged 2 as a forum portrait. I post naked pictures of myself to women I know. They're in public, I don't mind.

      Holy shit this thread is full of people who can't tell the difference between what should remain private and posting shit for all the world to see.

      As a photographer I reserve the right to do whatever the fuck I like with photographs I take, subject to the law. If that means walking down the street handing out prints of you naked at two, that's my choice, not yours. You should've fucking put some clothes on.

    8. Re:Sue for making you stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh boy, are you going to land in court some day. Hard. I hope you enjoy it, because it will be painful.

      Rule of thumb; people who believe they have "rights" to do whatever the fuck they want, usually don't have half as many of them as they think.

    9. Re:Sue for making you stupid by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Kids pictures from the parent without the adult childs consent is rather hindering.

      Unless you have some psychotic belief that you were never a child, what exactly is the problem?

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  10. Have You Thought This Through? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    According to Wikipedia, the age of majority in Austria is 18.

    Whether you win or lose, they can literally kick you out of their home and cut off all support.

    I wonder if you really thought this through.

    1. Re:Have You Thought This Through? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Probably getting kicked out anyway... If you win then you get money for your new life.

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      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    2. Re:Have You Thought This Through? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see nothing in TFS or TFA that would indicate that she still lives at home. Other than the snide comment about her allowance.

      Still this seems like something a sane person would only attempt after becoming fully independent house/apartment, job, ect. I doubt this is about the pictures as much as her wishes being entirely ignored. Because by the time you get a lawyer involved over pictures the ship has already sailed way over the horizon.

      Assuming she is fully independent I would like to say that she is a person not property and should be treated as such.

      How does this not fall in the same box as revenge porn?

    3. Re:Have You Thought This Through? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably getting kicked out anyway... If you win then you get money for your new life.

      You think she wants to live with an asshole who adamantly refuse to take down pictures of her on the crapper?

      Sounds to me like this chick has the right idea, she's asked, apparently repeatedly, and and this dick has refused her perfectly reasonable requests--so fuck him.

      This guy is a first rate ass and deserves it.

      Disclaimer--no I'm not a fucking millennial.

  11. I'm going to make a guess by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Let me take a stab at this: the parents are wealthy.

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    1. Re:I'm going to make a guess by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone sue someone who didn't have any money? That's just silly.

    2. Re:I'm going to make a guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone sue someone who didn't have any money? That's just silly.

      You also sue to get a court to order someone to do something. So, if she wins, the court orders her parents to remove the photos and if they don't, they'll get fined or jailed.

    3. Re:I'm going to make a guess by tgv · · Score: 1

      Austria doesn't have a history of large indemnifications. And they could disinherit her or stop paying for her studies. And of course, most people aren't wealthy. I'd say you're most likely wrong.

    4. Re:I'm going to make a guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would anyone sue someone who didn't have any money? That's just silly.

      I'm sensing a bit of sarcasm here but decided to reply anyway.

      Perhaps she's suing to get the photos removed and to make a stand. If so the money will be less important.

  12. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Teenagers are tricky create they often have little empathy of their own yet are highly sensitive to perceived slights and are easily embarrassed. They are also impulsive and easily convinced to do things that are ultimately only going to be self destructive like suing ones own parents over a relatively minor thing.

    I can understand both attitudes here. As a parent you need to show that it is you are in control and you who make the rules. You don't have to stop doing something because your children don't approve, but they will not be permitted to do what you find objectionable beyond the leeway you might be willing to afford them.

    On the other hand if it was my kid this isn't the hill I'd pick to die on (well I never would have posted the stuff in the first place). I think I would say well mom and I posted those pictures because we are proud of you and our family but if they make you uncomfortable we will mark them private so only us and your grand parents can see them. Seem like this would be a good moment to show some empathy and hope the kid models in the future.

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  13. Naked photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    “They knew no shame and no limit and didn’t care whether it was a picture of me sitting on the toilet or lying naked in my cot — every stage was photographed and then made public,” ...

    Well, now....Isn't posting pictures of naked children bad? I don't know about the child pornography laws in Austria, but here in the States, her parents would go to jail and then have to be registered as sex offenders and their lives would be over.

    Because *gasp* some perv may get off on them!

    1. Re:Naked photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Man, it's like nothing makes sense anymore! Naked girl on fire good, naked girl not on fire bad, how exactly are we deciding these things?!

    2. Re:Naked photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, it's like nothing makes sense anymore! Naked girl on fire good, naked girl not on fire bad, how exactly are we deciding these things?!

      Fire erases sin. That's why you burn witches and heretics.

      So obviously a picture of something sinful that's on fire is totally legit. If its' not of fire though the sin is contagious.

    3. Re:Naked photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Picture taken by well known pedowood contributor: good.
      Picture taken by some dad of his kid at the beach: Bad.
      This seems to be the american way.

    4. Re:Naked photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presence or absence of fire, obviously.

  14. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well the fact that she is now 18 legally she is an adult. While people mature at different rates, and many 18 year olds still have a lot of maturity problems. However the parents who should have more empathy should had listened to their child's concerns and take them down, and not use such a thing as some sort of power play. For this particular case seems out of hand.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  15. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Ahh, so _you_ are the arbiter of personal pride for all other people in the world right? Or they are "trolls" as you so gleefully liked to claim.. Your last line is all we need to know about you, a SJW

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  16. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by MitchDev · · Score: 0

    The parents need to turn around and counter-sue for every last dime they spent raising her...

  17. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the people who perpetually live on the slippery slope whinery

    Actually, the rest of us call it "having human emotions" and "not taking the dick and then dishing it back out tenfold"

  18. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by allquixotic · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a person with a mental disorder who should be receiving professional treatment, not receiving accolades for trying to extort money from the people who took pride in being able to raise a daughter and sharing that joy with others.

    No kidding. It is the highest privilege and joy to raise a child, even for people who realize world acclaim and fortune. Everyone always says, with complete honesty and without reservation, that their children are the most important thing to them in the world. Unless this woman has an excessively dysfunctional relationship with her parents to the point that they literally intended to do this specifically to torment her, it is an utterly harmless act for them to post the pictures. 99.999% chance they just love their daughter. This is really sad.

  19. Wow.. by theinfamousgeek · · Score: 1

    People will sue for anything these days. I get the premise,and the embarrassment, but to go as far as to sue? for actual cash revenue? from her parents? She must either A.) Hate her parents or B.) Is greedy a hell. Considering she's 18 I am wondering if she was at some point financially cut off from her parents, and this is a way to retaliate. Then again I could be wrong.

    1. Re:Wow.. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I doubt she's suing to get money. I'd suspect she is after a court order to take the pictures down.

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  20. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, wanting some control over what aspects of your personal life go online is a mental disorder? And, even if it is, that means it's OK to just say "they're sick" and to ahead and do things without their consent anyway? That's like bullying the disabled kid, and only extreme assholes and sociopaths would ever think that "mental illness" makes anything like this OK or more acceptable.

  21. Child Pern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems that would be a legit, legal reason enough right there to remove them; considering she was obviously not 18...

  22. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you attempting to claim that the person is correctly handling conflict resolution by asking the Government to give her "her" way? Sorry, but that is absolutely not conflict resolution, it's bullying. Given that action, how likely is it that she ever talked to them and asked them to take down any photos compared to trying to bully her parents into taking the pictures down? I could be wrong, but generally gauge people pretty well.

    I agree that there could be problems on both sides, but her side is open for inspection. Pictures of her on a potty chair (one of the ones I heard she had in her complain) are not bad by default. My parents had pictures of me on the potty chair, another in my undies with Chicken Pox, etc.. I didn't do the same for my kid, but that's not in any way claiming my parents were wrong. It was a personal preference where I simply didn't take photos like my parents did. They invested hundreds of hours on setting up photo albums, I didn't.

    If the pictures were of her being naked it would be considered porn and her parents would have had to remove the photos and probably be facing criminla charges. That is not the case presented thus far, if you have different evidence show it.

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  23. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. Just wow. No respect at all. If you have kids, I'm sure they hate your guts. Respect goes both ways, and these parents have ZERO of it for their child.

  24. I'd take the pictures down. by HBI · · Score: 0

    Then i'd disown her and refuse contact for the rest of my life until she crawled back with an apology. What an ungrateful asshole.

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    1. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by HBI · · Score: 0

      When the money stops flowing, the kids get to experience real life (tm).

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    2. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She would be grateful if you disowned her and she never had to see you again from the sounds of it. The child is NOT the asshole here by any stretch of the imagination. The whole being entitled to do anything regardless of what a child wants is fucking disgusting.

    3. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by HBI · · Score: 0

      They are allowed to do what they want with their own pictures. You sound like another ungrateful asshole. Also sounds like no one gave you the life lesson of poverty that you deserved.

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    4. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by lgw · · Score: 2

      One thing to consider: the older you get, the more you're going to want your kids to contact you, and the less they'll need for you. Don't burn those bridges.

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    5. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by phayes · · Score: 2

      My son was seven when he told me & my wife that we'd better be nice to him because later on he'd be the one choosing our retirement home...

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    6. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by HBI · · Score: 1

      I really don't care. I didn't want the kids in the first place, so...if they want to be nice to me and have me around, great. If they are going to be a pain in my ass, I write them out of the will. Their loss, not mine. I invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in each of them and did all the required labor, with my teeth gritted the whole time because their mother is a wretch. The rest is up to them.

      And that stuff about 'deciding where you go to a retirement home' doesn't matter if you have your documentation properly written. Have a valid power of attorney already in place and living wills, etc, naming someone responsible and decent as your heir/caretaker. One of my daughters is a total asshole and the other one ...same age as the kid in this article...the jury is still out on. Neither will have any power over me unless they demonstrate capability to exercise it properly.

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    7. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by HBI · · Score: 1

      You have the power to write your own will, living will, and power of attorney. Independent of your wife. Use it.

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    8. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "One of my daughters is a total asshole" - I can see who she got it from.

    9. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She might actually appreciate that. In any case, sounds like a quite dysfunctional family.

    10. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by HBI · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, I think you're an asshole too! The difference is that I am right and you are completely wrong.

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    11. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by lgw · · Score: 1

      I really don't care. I didn't want the kids in the first place ... their mother is a wretch

      Wow, what a shining example of human compassion you are. And/or you really can pick em.

      And that stuff about 'deciding where you go to a retirement home' doesn't matter if you have your documentation properly written.

      ... and you have the money to pay for it. It's when things don't go as planned and you need your kids' financial help that you're totally at their mercy. I've known people who were well enough off at retirement discover this. Well, here's hoping the next 15 years' markets aren't the trainwreck the past 15 years' were.

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    12. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by lgw · · Score: 1

      When everyone you see is an asshole: look in the mirror.

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    13. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      That depends entirely on what manner of person the kid is. I have a neighbor who has a daughter who is an absolute asshole to her; constantly wanting money for things, constantly berating her. The woman would definitely be better off without the daughter.

    14. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      One thing to consider: the older you get, the more you're going to want your kids to contact you, and the less they'll need for you. Don't burn those bridges.

      At some level of batshit crazy and/or abusive it's not worth it even for family. Most people will stretch further for their flesh and blood than they'd ever do with any friend or even partner, they'd dump a crazy ex but it takes a whole lot more to walk away from family. Those that do often have really good reason, or they're the crazy ones and have really bad reasons. Either way not burning the bridges is not a solution, you also need to find a way to make living with it reasonable.

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    15. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by phayes · · Score: 1

      Do remember that this was the insight of a 7 year old child and not said meanly but surprisingly full of wisdom for a someone that age. Hopefully I've got a few decades left and if I raised him well he'll do as good by me as I've tried to do by him without needing to pull bottom feeding lawyers into it. That some feel the need to do so is saddening.

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    16. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could you remind me why she should be grateful for putting pictures online against her wishes?

    17. Re:I'd take the pictures down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure this is not the case.
      I can't go around taking naked pictures of people in changing rooms and posting them online without their permission.
      She's their daughter not their slave. She should absolutely be able to control what happens to pictures of herself.
      Also, you sound like you've had some real problems with your kids because you didn't manage to raise them properly and are now projecting way to hard onto this case.

  25. Fucking lawyers by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 0

    I really and truly fucking hate them.

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    1. Re:Fucking lawyers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ya, it's the lawyers fault the parents posted naked pictures of their child and the child wants them taken down. Thanks Obama!

  26. Hrmn .... by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    At least here in the USA, such things have happened (kids filing lawsuits against their parents over various grievances) -- but I think 99.9% of the population takes a very dim view of it.

    I guess I'm ok with the legal OPTION being available for such things? But it seems really extreme. I'm not sure that most minor kids fully realize the ramifications of doing such a thing. I mean ... as much as you may dislike your parents embarrassing you with your childhood photos, you may later decide that was "nothing" compared to a lifetime of not communicating with your parents anymore (which is VERY likely to be the outcome if you won a lawsuit against them).

    1. Re:Hrmn .... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I take it as a sign that the parent-child relationship is probably completely broken, and in that case a lawsuit is just another issue among many. She's also likely to not care about communicating with her parents.

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  27. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    If the pictures were of her being naked it would be considered porn and her parents would have had to remove the photos and probably be facing criminal charges.

    Simple (or non-sexualized) nudity -- even of minors -- is usually not considered porn or illegal. Haven't seen the photos in question, but context is important.

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  28. You are all Missing the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    This isn't really about the photos per se.

    To be bothered by something so ordinary is pathological, so ask yourselves, why is she so self conscious to be bothered by this ordinary thing.

    There is actually a big clue in the story, the parents refused to take down the photos because the "father _owns_ them".

    That shows a complete lack of empathy for ones own child is hugely narcissistic.

  29. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by unimacs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One of our neighbors' daughters graduated from high school this year. She and her sister used to hang out with my two kids when they were much younger. They'd stage and record these "shows" using a camcorder. It was tame and goofy stuff. So before her graduation party I posted a couple of them on youtube and shared the link with my neighbor. I marked it as private.

    I reassured the mom that it wasn't public. She didn't care, - but the kids sure did. They were mortified at the thought that their friends might find it. Teenagers are VERY image conscious. Even though they'll post the dumbest stuff on youtube, snapchat, and instagram, - things that they'll find much more embarrassing a decade from now, they want to control their image. I get that.

    There is no doubt in my mind that childhood pictures could be a source of ridicule for a teen. At the same time, I doubt their friends' or enemies' opinions about them are influenced one way or the other by naked baby pictures. As a teen it's hard to see that though and I think the parents need a little more empathy in this case. It's idiotic that something like this requires intervention by a court to resolve but I blame the parents both for being stupid about it and for raising a kid that would file a lawsuit over it.

  30. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me take a stab at this: the parents are wealthy.

    Vicarious parent trying to control the child is more likely.

  31. Sounds familiar... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it Barbra Streisand's daughter?

  32. Looks like we have a new Barbra Streisand by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Some mistakes have to be made ourselves before we can learn from them.

  33. So, what's her other option? by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both. The daughter suing her parents over this is absurd but the parents not removing them when it evidently upsets her this much is appalling.

    So, what should she do if her parents refuse to remove photos, including her "sitting on the toilet or lying naked in my cot"?

    You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

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    1. Re:So, what's her other option? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      The obvious answer is to ignore it. Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

      --

      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    2. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're telling me... she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do.

    3. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      The obvious answer is to ignore it. Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

      What about potential employers turning her down for a job in public relations?

      This action has serious economic consequence for her. If anyone else but her parents did this they would clearly be on the hook for economic damages. Why do parents that have a due care responsibility to know better get off the hook?

    4. Re:So, what's her other option? by jargonburn · · Score: 2

      You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      I interpreted the GP post a bit differently. I agree that it is absurd that she is suing her parents over this stuff...but that it's not as absurd as her parents not taking them down (or changing the sharing to "Me only"). The whole situation has gone sideways.

      Perhaps her parents are considering it on the same level as a scrapbook/album? I only hope that someone explained to them a key difference:
      Facebook sharing is like a picture album that you have no problem lending out to any of your friends (or FoF, or member of the public, depending on sharing settings), any time they want it, with no idea what they are going to do with it (including making copies), while still having 100% certainty that it will be returned in perfect condition).

      I won't lie; the idea horrifies me.

    5. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Fuck you and your shitty advice. You have not the expertise nor the right to speak for who does and does not experience emotional distress.

    6. Re:So, what's her other option? by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      What choices does she have other than suing?

      Hire Russia to hack into the facebook account and take them down.

    7. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both. The daughter suing her parents over this is absurd but the parents not removing them when it evidently upsets her this much is appalling.

      So, what should she do if her parents refuse to remove photos, including her "sitting on the toilet or lying naked in my cot"?

      You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      Contact the authorities to inform them of distribution of child pornography.

    8. Re:So, what's her other option? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Interesting

      But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      How about ignoring it?

      Or if she wanted to put a screeching halt to it, after her parents posted a photo, she should reply on Facebook, "You should post the ones you took after what you did to me next Daddy!"

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    9. Re:So, what's her other option? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm no expert, but it sounds like you're experiencing emotional distress. What course of action could be prescribed in this situation?

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    10. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She should chop her disrespectful parents up into little pieces and plant them in the backyard, just like any rational adult would do.

    11. Re:So, what's her other option? by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She could choose to not be offended, and realize that the fact that she considers those photos of her to be embarassing is actually her own problem, because they were taken years and years ago, and are not relevant to anything that she might care about today. The photos were probably posted for sentimental reasons, not to ridicule.

      That being said, I think it is abhorrent that the parents didn't take the photos offline when she asked them to. As immature as I think she's being about the whole thing, it's as disrespectful as hell to not be considerate of another human being's feelings when they've honestly described how you may have upset them.

    12. Re:So, what's her other option? by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      The obvious answer is to ignore it. Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

      OK, let's say she has a mental illness in which those photographs cause her a lot of distress. I hope we can agree that having a mental illness is not something one should be ashamed about, nor it is something that should prevent one from being able to sue the people who post those photographs and refuse to take them off. So then, this person does not have the option to ignore it, and your answer is not obvious, just wrong.

      Of course, you're not going to agree with this, because you framed your answer in such a way as to imply that mentally ill people have no right to sue to have their rights respected.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    13. Re:So, what's her other option? by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      OK, let's say she has a mental illness in which those photographs cause her a lot of distress.

      If that is the case, then the correct option is still not to sue her parents. The correct option is to help her get the medical help she needs.

      Of course, you're not going to agree with this, because you framed your answer in such a way as to imply that mentally ill people have no right to sue to have their rights respected.

      There is no right to not be distressed, regardless of whether or not you are mentally ill.

      --

      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    14. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The obvious answer is to ignore it. Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

      Non-mentally-ill adults don't have a problem empathizing with others to the point of dismissing the feelings of others as mental illness that must be despised.

      Non-mentally-ill adults are also capable of recognizing the difference between "embarrassing and revealing photos" as these have been described to be, and baby pictures in general.

      Don't worry though, we pity you for your pathology though, not despise you.

    15. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's neither obvious nor correct. The problem is you're simply missing the point.

      It's not correct because there are people who do not want to have an identity on the internet. These people are not mentally ill, they've just made that choice. Truth be told, it seems more and more people are deleting their social media accounts, realizing that they can do more harm than good.

      It's not obvious because, well, it's incorrect. People have a right to not exist online. Some people are ok with existing in the real world - they don't have to have all of their private stuff made available for the world to see. We didn't all sign up to be on real-world or big-brother.

      When my family members post pictures of me on social media, I ask that they remove them - and because they're not complete dicks they comply. Mind you, I have significant leverage over them and would be willing to use it if they ever didn't comply. That said, they don't comply because of leverage, they comply because they're smart decent human beings and realize that not everyone wants to be up on a stage for the world to see.

      It's that simple. If you can't see it, then you're too self centered to have children and should consider cutting off your sack and setting yourself ablaze so that the rest of us can live in a decent world. You're no better than the religious fundamentalists who see the world one way and try to enforce that vision on others. We all have the right to decide our own values for ourselves - and this persons values include not being on a public stage for the world to see. How fucking hard is that to comply with?

    16. Re:So, what's her other option? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      What about potential employers turning her down for a job in public relations?

      "Your Honor, when I applied to a PR job at the prestigious firm Women Don't Poop, Inc, I was turned down after they discovered a picture of me at age 4 on the toilet. I demand satisfaction."

      --
      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    17. Re:So, what's her other option? by SNRatio · · Score: 1

      The obvious answer is to ignore it. Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

      How about people who are mentally ill (or at least traumatized) by childhood sexual abuse, possibly by their own parents? Even when that is not a factor, for many people privacy is a foundation of autonomy. We used to be able to depend on obscurity to provide privacy; now that is no longer possible. In cases like these I'd rather have laws that err on giving people more privacy rather than less.

    18. Re: So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No job = no money. No money = no bringing up anything to court.
      Great plan. A complete nonstarter.

    19. Re: So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe it seems funny to you, but making an accusation, even in jest, of sexual abuse is clearly a dangerous idea.

    20. Re:So, what's her other option? by Opportunist · · Score: 0

      At least until someone asks them whether their pussy is still as cute as it was on that picture.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    21. Re:So, what's her other option? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, the Austrian solution.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    22. Re:So, what's her other option? by worf_mo · · Score: 2

      So, what should she do if her parents refuse to remove photos, including her "sitting on the toilet or lying naked in my cot"?

      You're telling me it's "absurd" for her to sue, and she should "Grow The Fuck Up (tm)". But you're not telling me what she should actually do. What choices does she have other than suing?

      Easy, she should post 500-odd embarrassing pictures of her parents to Facebook, make sure they are all properly tagged, and then wait for her parents' offer to mutually destroy all pictures.

      On a more serious note, I find it sad that her parents value their social media status higher than the well-being of their daughter. If she doesn't want the photos online - whether she was sitting on the toilet or on a bench under a tree - her parents should respect her wish. Those who say she should "Grow The Fuck Up" should note that this is exactly what she is doing: Talking to her parents apparently didn't work; short of hacking into their account or taking resort to violent means, suing them looks like a "grown-up thing" to me. I'd never have done that myself, but then my parents are sensible persons that would never have put me in such a position.

    23. Re:So, what's her other option? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      What about potential employers turning her down for a job in public relations?

      She's more likely to get turned down for a job because she's shown she's an hysterical clown by suing her parents over some baby photos.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    24. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "she should post 500-odd embarrassing pictures of her parents to Facebook, make sure they are all properly tagged"

      Probably the best solution.
      She can add ridiculous comments also, making fun on her old parents sitting on the potty etc...

    25. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

      Really? I thought the point of the parents dragging out the baby pics for visitors and significant others was the intentional cause of emotional distress. Or at least that's the impression I've gotten from every romcom that's happened in. Guess those scenes must have been targeted at the mentally-ill demographic, as no one else would be able to relate to experiencing that sort of distress in such a situation.

    26. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no right to not be distressed, regardless of whether or not you are mentally ill.

      There are many "rights" to protect people from being distressed. There's a reason why noise ordinances exist, and why you can sue someone for doing something that makes a profound stench, even if it doesn't disturb your life, and even, that's right, tell someone to stop bothering you, and expect it to be protected by the police.

      Because in a sane world, we do respect that there are rights not to distress people.

      Sure, sometimes they are balanced by other rights, my own state protects the right to farm, and there are rights for political protest, but these are not as absolute as you may think.

    27. Re: So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting nude pics of your kid could be considered sexual abuse.. Since she had complained about this for 7 years, i think i read, it is really about mental abusing the kid..

      Imagine how you felt between the age 12 to 19 and how you would feel about nude pictures of you where published online for your classmates could see...

      I completely consider this to be abuse, based on the tiny amount of facts i have been able to read about it..
      I would seriously consider messing them up, via the court-system, as much as they messed me up if i where her..

    28. Re: So, what's her other option? by DEN_GUY · · Score: 1

      Could be, if you were an hot house flower, emotionally stunted shut-in to whom the very idea of not getting your way causes you fly into a rage so intense as to try to send your parents, who sacrificed and raised you for 18+ years to prison.

    29. Re: So, what's her other option? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      Hypothetical situation:

      Amish do not like their pictures taken.

      Young lady marries an Amish fellow, and decides to go in full tilt to teh simple life.

      Does she have the right to demand that all photos that carry her "graven image" be destroyed?

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    30. Re: So, what's her other option? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Could be, if you were an hot house flower, emotionally stunted shut-in to whom the very idea of not getting your way causes you fly into a rage so intense as to try to send your parents, who sacrificed and raised you for 18+ years to prison.

      And there you go. As I said before, I don't know the details, but the case reminds me of Caitlyn Ricci, a 21 year old who has sued her estranged parents twice for tuition - and won. 16K a year from people she doesn't even have a relationship or even talk to.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Innov She sued twice, once for some 9K and was granted, then the second time she sued for 16 K a year, also granted, but the parents rebelled and said they would enter contempt and go to jail for it . The daughter sued to send them to jail, but the judge declined to enforce the contempt Poor Caitlyn had a GoFundMe site, but could only raise 2 K of teh 20 K she was aiming for.

      The evil parents? Here is what they did:

      Innocent Caitlyn was kicked out of a Disney Internship for underage drinking, and left home to move in with her grandparents because her gaddamned evil parents set a curfew, and wanted her to do chores around the house.

      Her parents should be in jail, amiright?

      Then there is the terribly sad story of poor Rachel Canning, a victim of the first degree. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      Also an adult, Rachael moved out of her parents house because she had a boyfriend they didn't like - who she later filed a restraining order against for choking her. She wanted them to pay for her college education in a reverse emancipation move. She accused them of abuse.She eventulally dropped the lawsuit, and the restraining order after getting a 56K scholarship.

      My guess is that she would have slammed the university with a lawsuit if they didn't give her a scholarship.

      I think a prudent person might consider well the complications of bringing a child into this world today.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    31. Re:So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't speak of mental health and well-being, as you are clearly ignorant of the subject. I say this as a qualified and licensed mental health professional. If you continue, at least be aware that you are suffering under the Dunning-Kruger Effect. In case you choose to not look up that phenomenon, it means you're so goddamn ignorant you don't even realize how ignorant you are.

    32. Re: So, what's her other option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor Caitlyn had a GoFundMe site, but could only raise 2 K of teh 20 K she was aiming for.

      You've misread things. The GoFundMe was for the parents to file an appeal.

      "With the help of a GoFundMe site, senior Temple student Caitlyn Ricci’s divorced parents are fighting back a court order to pay their daughter’s $16,000 out-of-state tuition for the 2013-14 academic year."

      Given that the parents had divorced in 1997, I wonder if provision for higher education was in that agreement. If so, they should have known they'd have an obligation. Unfortunately all of the news reports I could find were less than informative about the actual legal reasoning.

      My guess is that she would have slammed the university with a lawsuit if they didn't give her a scholarship.

      Universities have long had problems with their awarding of financial aid and treatment of students. And their rising costs are a very important public issue.

      I suspect a lot of reform to go on there.

      I think a prudent person might consider well the complications of bringing a child into this world today.

      It was always something to be prudent about. Just ask Odysseus.

      Hypothetical situation:
      Amish do not like their pictures taken.

      Young lady marries an Amish fellow, and decides to go in full tilt to teh simple life.

      Does she have the right to demand that all photos that carry her "graven image" be destroyed?

      Ah, but the Amish avoid conflict and making demands of others, so they'd discourage her from doing it.

      But no, there are serious conflicts when it comes to photography and religion, from the various Driver's License IDs, not to mention issues like license plates and conscription.

      In this case, however, the issue seems to be the character of the photos, not the mere existence. That counts for a lot.

  34. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a person with a mental disorder who should be receiving professional treatment,

    I agree: her parents are all that, and assholes to boot.

    They should be not allowed to access the internet without permission.

  35. Whiny little SJWs get all butthurt by real life by HBI · · Score: 0

    Real life is coming - for all of you. Boo!

    --
    HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
  36. Damit.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slash.... This is trash..... Don't make me go back to that other site.

    Singed
            Since the Beginning..

  37. Re: Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, imagine your parents sending out copies of pictures you sitting on a toilet to all their contacts in their phonebook.

  38. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    Children are not property.

    Unless you want to leave them at risk from preventable diseases. Or let them die when a blood transfusion would save them. Or do a bit of carving on their shagging tackle.

    But it's only OK if you do it because an invisible man in the sky told you to.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  39. Spoiled brat syndrome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm tired of not being taken seriously by my parents,"

    Sounds very immature for an 18 year old. Can't get her own way so throw a massive hissy fit until her parents give in.
    Yup, that's the way to go to make yourself look more mature.

    I wonder who she'll go running back to if she loses and ends up with a big legal bill she can't pay by herself ?

    1. Re:Spoiled brat syndrome. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be pretty pissed off too if my parents posted naked pics of me online and refused to take them down when asked to do so.
      What exactly are you supposed to do at that point if not sue them?
      Kill them? Just let it be and let all the world see your naked pics even though you don't want too?
      Why should she be considerate towards her parents if they don't consider her feelings at all?

  40. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, my kids are my world, and if they asked me to stop doing something that embarrassed them I would at the very lest try to find a middle ground like making the most embarrassing photos private. Just cause they are my kids and my way or the highway does not mean that their feelings and opinions are completely off-base when they disagree with mine. Lets be fair here, I am NOT perfect.

    Anyone who says otherwise is not a very good parent.

    Captcha: immature. Very apropos to your comment.

  41. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Children are *disposable* property. Every house should have a kidchipper built in.

  42. Sounds Familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Holy Fugging Sheet this is my parents in an absolute nutshell. My father was a professional photographer most of my life so there is a literal mountain of pictures of me as a kid. And, of course, they cherry pick out the most absolutely fucking embarrassing ones along with their now distorted view of the background of the picture that is always, somehow, is 10x worse then reality. Of course they will argue through their teeth what they remember is the absolute truth. I honestly think they relish in the whole production. I'm desensitized to it now, hell it's been 30+ solid years of it...

    I don't think I would ever sue my parents, but I can understand where this all is coming from.

  43. A man named Jayne by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    "Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle"

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    Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
  44. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

    I could be wrong, but generally gauge people pretty well.

    There is not enough back story really to draw a conclusion.

    People and the motives that move them through the day are not that simple, I would recommend against that type of attitude. People can't be categorized into a few personalities types.

  45. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People are required to pass a test to drive a vehicle, yet any idiot can be a parent.

    A parent that needs to show who is in control usually isn't. A good parent like any good teacher, teaches by example.

    Conversely, parents who lack respect for their kids will teach them exactly that.

  46. Back before the Internet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My parents would proudly display my third-grade art projects for anyone who entered the house. To my teenage self, it was mortifying.

    To my adult self, I couldn't really care less. Things change. Also, my mom's been taking pottery lessons in her retirement, and I keep some of her "early works" around the house, and it achieves the desired result.

    Maybe this case is different, I sure hope I'm underestimating the plaintiff/daughter. But for a teenager, any reminders of early childhood are pretty much the Worst Thing Ever. They'll grow out of it.

    1. Re:Back before the Internet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As a thirty year old, I still don't think I would like naked pics of me as a child to be on facebook for every single person I know to see.
      Especially the one of me peeing into the dogs mouth.

    2. Re:Back before the Internet.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on, don't be so fucking serious. Taking a piss in the dogs mouth is hysterical, that's comedy gold right there.

      Why *wouldn't* you want people to see that, that's awesome.

      If you can't laugh at yourself...

  47. Pics or it didn't happen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pics or it didn't happen!

    What's that? Not so quick to post naked pictures of your niece?

    Perhaps now you understand the issue better.

    1. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

      Nope. I live in the US. You guys are nuts about this sort of stuff.

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      Physicists get Hadrons!
    2. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Except in this context, it's an Austrian nexus, not the USA. And in the USA, there are plentiful prudes and people to test the prudes at all quadrants.

      This said, there are untold numbers of child molesters, and the number of registered sex offenders climbs every year.

      Embarrassing your daughter in such a way is heinous, in my mind, and damaged mind that refused to take them down has real problems. Does this woman own her privacy, her nudity, and embodiment of self, or can her parents haul out trash and wave it for control or demented entertainment?

      Whatever is ruled has no effect legally in the USA. But many women will be watching the outcome, and for good reason.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    3. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

      [sigh] My point was that *I* live in the USA. If *I* posted pics of my 4-year-old niece naked, then *I* would be in trouble in the USA. Because nuts.

      FWIW, I have no desire or plan to post pics of my niece naked, I see no reason to. I just don't regard it with the same level of apparent disgust that Anonymous Coward "Pics or it didn't happen" 2 posts up seems to.

      I don't have a horse in the race here - I don't care what the parents or the child do in this particular case, I think they're both being stupid, but whatever.

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      Physicists get Hadrons!
    4. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      It depends on the jurisdiction you're in, and how much the local prosecutors want to get elected. Baby pics are one thing, a little older pics, and one gets into the realm of ostensible prurient interests.

      There are indeed infant and child sex abusers out there. But more important is the dignity of a young person, or at least the perceived dignity in *her* mind.

      Dignity is important, and women's dignities are battered ferociously in many cultures. Where is the line drawn? Perhaps an Austrian judge will draw the first line.

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      ---- Teach Peace. It's Cheaper Than War.
    5. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by Space+cowboy · · Score: 1

      Personally I think you've already made the assumption that naked infant pictures are in some way embarrassing. To my mind, they're not. To most Europeans, they're not.

      It seems I'm really struggling to say this sufficiently clearly: The difference between a photo of a naked 4 year-old and a clothed 4-year old to me is the clothes, that's it. I really don't care whether the kid has clothes on or not, it makes absolutely no difference to the photo, and the first comment that would come to mind would be something like "wasn't that Summer of '73" or "Hey look at the size of that sand-castle you were building", or something equally irrelevant to the clothing situation.

      If someone wants to get all upset over the photos, then fine. It's a bit weird to make an issue out of it, but whatever. Similarly, if the parents don't want to take the photos down, that's also a bit weird, it seems like basic courtesy ought to rule here. As I said, I don't really care; I think it's a matter for the family to handle, and apparently they think it's a matter for the courts to handle. Fair enough. I don't really see why it's news, either.

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    6. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      I believe that you don't care. And, Space cowboy, unless your gender is mistaken, you're taking it from a male point of view, and there are more than just an American male's point of view as regards exposing a youth's naked pictures to the Internet. I'm not the woman in the pics, and she has the nexus of being injured by this, not me.

      Some people do care, and are embarrassed for her, or by contrast, her parents. There are lots of questions, and no answers, until a judge makes one. I find it fascinating and interesting. Personally, I hope she wins. Some families are really dysfunctional, and parents clueless, leading to this litigation.

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    7. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      > there are untold numbers of child molesters

      Actually the evidence suggests this is much rarer than generally believe and almost all of them target members of their own family. Stranger danger is almost entirely a myth.

      >and the number of registered sex offenders climbs every year.

      Except that there are two problems with your analysis. Firstly - nobody ever gets removed, so the list will always grow even as people die out. Secondly it lists anybody who was ever convicted of any sex-related offence. There are lots of girls on it who got there because they sexted their boyfriend at age 15 which some trumped up prosecutor turned into 'distributing child pornography' . There are tons of people on there who got a public lewdness or indecent exposure conviction for getting caught pissing on a tree one night after too many beers. Quite a few people got on there on a statutory rape charge for having consensual sex with their childhood sweetheart - often sex that was legal the week before (think 17 year old guy, 16 year old girl - they are covered by a Romeo and Juliet law, he has his birthday and turns 18...suddenly he's a "rapist"). A huge number of people on that list are no threat to society at all in fact - and since there's no appeals process there is no way to get off it. Now, of course, a lot of sex offenders are violent asaulters, rapists, date rapists etc. I'm not trying to minimize their crimes - but the wide range of things that can get you put on the list *does* minimise their crimes and certainly makes the sex offender registry useless for actually assessing whether a person is a threat. Too many people on that registry are harmless, and that means you either assume they all are - or you do what most people do an assume they are all as bad as the worst ones. Either way - it ends up being a travesty of justice and the registry does not support your point at all, it's growth rate even less so.

      >Embarrassing your daughter in such a way is heinous, in my mind,
      Now this, you are right about, and you don't need the previous hyperbole to be right about it.

      >Does this woman own her privacy, her nudity, and embodiment of self
      She damn well ought to yes. What makes the case legally tricky is that when the photos were taken she was a minor and the photographer was also her legal guardian - who had the right to give consent for them to be taken and published on her behalf. The question legally, is whether as an adult now, she can revoke the consent they gave when she was a minor. That's something a judge will rule on. My gut feel is she should be able to but that gets very tricky legally. What about child models who, as adults, want the ads their baby pix were in pulled ? Would they be able to do revoke the consent papers their parents signed 20 years ago ?

      >Whatever is ruled has no effect legally in the USA
      Actually it does - rulings set precedent, which has the power of law until and unless a law is passed. That's one form of how common-law works.

      >But many women will be watching the outcome, and for good reason.
      While I can see that, I'm not sure it's the right case to be watching. There are plenty of real problems with pictures, especially nude ones, published without consent. Revenge-porn cases and the like - which are clear violations of a person's bodily integrity. That's why real photographers have model release contracts - and don't publish photos without proof of consent. But this one is difficult because there *was* consent. As a minor her parents had the right to consent on her behalf. As I said above - the legal test here is whether she, as an adult, can revoke consent her parents gave (in this case to themselves but that is immaterial) when she was a minor ? I'm pretty sure *that* is legally untested as an idea. Generally though you can't worm your way out of a contract your parents signed on your behalf as a minor when you're an adult by claiming you don't consent to the contract. If that changes - then nobody will want to sign any cont

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    8. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I sincerely doubt a judge will ever rule on this. As I pointed out above - this case raises serious issues around contract law as it pertains to minors and legal guardians. That's a problem a smart judge would really try to avoid - because there is serious risk for the judge's career. Rule in her favour - you can expect a slew of cases using it as precedent for much less sympathetic causes - which in turn will lead to years of appeals and probably his ruling being struck down along the way by higher courts. No judge likes that. If he rules against her - he risk a major public outcry - notably from women's rights groups and politicians, which is also something no smart judge wants.

      So I think the judge is likely to do all in his/her power to get them to settle the case - and judges have quite a bit of power to try and encourage settlements (with good reason). Indeed a judge can actually ORDER the claimants to settle the case and refuse to issue a ruling when the judge believes a settlement is the best outcome and reasonably possible - and if I were the judge (note - not a judge or a lawyer) that is exactly what I would do: order them to settle the case. That works out well - the only likely settlement involves the pictures being taken down - likely without any money changing hands.
      That satisfies her wish to get them down and removes the risk that the judge will rule that, as her legal guardians at the time her parents had the right to consent on her behalf to publication and she cannot retroactively remove consent. It spares her parents an expensive payout and further public embarassment over being sued by their kid and it saves the judge from a very thorny issue.

      If this actually goes to trial - expect her parents to receive a nice big anonymous donation to pay for their defence. You don't seriously expect Huggies(tm) to risk all the babies whose buttocks they printed on packaging for the past 50 years to start suing them for damages because as adults they don't consent do you ?

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    9. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Parents, guardians can both proxy consent, but can't grant consent. This is the rationale behind statutory rape-- a child cannot give consent. And why sex with animals is immoral-- they can't give consent. And so forth.

      I'm a parent & a guardian. My job is to protect interests, provide safety, look after health, and so forth. I neither receive compensation (financially) as a parent or from my ward. There are those that do. Do they have incumbent liability, as in the "Huggies" tort defence cited elsewhere in this thread? Nope.

      This is a tort of a different colour, indeed.

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    10. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Except that you are now conflating two unrelated meanings of the word 'consent'. The meaning as used in sexual laws refers to consent to sexual behaviour, but I was using it's meaning in contract law which is very different. That there is some overlap in the area of statutory rape is an aside.

      When a minor wants to enter a contract (technically - as simple as buying a candybar from the local tuckshop) their legal guardian (usually a parent) must consent to them signing that contract. That's a different usage of consent.
      And then there is yet a third meaning of consent in contract law, which is of the 'I consent to you using something that belongs to me in a certain way' (possibly with an 'in return for' clause). This type of consent is present in everything from a rental contract to the 'release' contracts signed by reality TV contestent, rental contracts have them, copyright license contracts fall under them.

      All three meanings are closely related but have subtle (yet important) differences and this involves both the latter two but NOT the former one. These are not sexual photos nor sexual behaviours - so sexual consent has nothing to do with it. The small overlap with bodily autonomy as a concept only comes from her being the subject of the photos. But a photographer wanting to publish a photo of another person needs would generally need their consent or a strong public interest case. The famous Vietnam Girl photo for example didn't need a model release because of it's extreme public interest value as a news photo.

      In this case there is clearly no public interest at play. She's a private citizen, not involved in any event of major public significance (like a war) or running for a political office. So the photographer would need consent of the person or, if it's a minor, from their legal guardian. But this is consent of the third meaning. An allowance to use something that belongs to me.
      But the photographer in this case IS the legal guardian and COULD give that consent to himself.

      The father has a strong case that he hasn't broken any laws. I think he is acting immorally by not honoring her wishes and personally if a model asked me to stop publishing a photo, especially a nude, I would take it down - even though I have her signed consent at the time (I never shoot without it). But I'm not legally obligated to do so - I just feel a personal moral obligation.
      I think the father here ought to feel the same - but that's not a legal argument.

      Legally - he has a strong defence against the claim that the legal guardian of the subject of the photos consented to their publication and she cannot now as an adult revoke that contractual consent.
      Who the judge will side with is hard to predict because she's clearly morally in the right but her father seems to be strongly in his legal rights. Hence my prediction that the judge will push very hard to get them to settle.

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    11. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Permission is permission.

      Consent is consent.

      Do people own rights at birth? Age of majority? The trust and guardianship of a minor varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. I'm a guardian for an individual whose limitations prevent the capacity to thrive independently in the world. This individual is otherwise aware enough to have dignity.

      Does a parent have the right to administer, guardian, or otherwise control a child or ward after 1) age of consent, 2) age of consent, or 3) age of consent, as you attempt to disambiguate consent in its somewhat artificially constructed sense?

      We say that a child can't give consent for sex until an arbitrary year, which varies from 12-18 in the EU. A picture of a nude baby is not usually prurient to a "normal" individual, but is to a pedophile: porn and lascivious. When is such a photograph exposure in an indignant manner, as the subject loses the value of dignity and privacy?

      In my mind, this is really about embarrassment and loss of dignity through the revelation of objects that are information that would under other terms, be of a private nature. Dignity and embarrassment start wars where people die, and borders change. It is a powerful value of self, an asset not to be trifled with. The embodiment of ideals has value, in certainty. Where does one draw the line of what is a loss of dignity, and the rest is: STFU?

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    12. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      All of which I agree with. None of which changes that the common legal standard for permission is "legally consented to publication' and that guardians can consent to such things for minors. The entire babyproducts industry bases all of it's marketing on photos of nude babies. All of which requires parental consent - since the models are too young to legally sign a contract.
      And this case is effectively challenging the basis of all that (and a whole host of other things). That it happens to also touch on issues of bodily autonomy for a young adults complicates matters. Generally I believe the law should favour bodily autonomy concerns as a fundamental right - but this is a grey area.

      I raise my (2 year old) child in a very liberated manner. She was born biologically female but if she were to identify as male when she's older - I would respect that. I teach her that there is nothing shameful about the human body and both her parents are often nude around her and vice versa. I also teach her about consent even now - that you cannot touch anybody's private parts unless you ask permission and they say yes, and nobody should be allowed to touch hers unless they asked and she said yes. The only exception I make to that is bathing her - when the occasional screaming fest is ignored because frankly a two year old is not capable of making the decision not to be clean (and the resulting health risks) on her own. Even then I always tell her it's time to get cleaned because even though the action is utterly not sexual in nature - it involves contact with private parts.

      This is how I raise her. I believe in the idea that it's her body - and her wishes about it trumps everybody else's - including my own. So no, I'll never threaten her boyfriends or discourage her sexuality. I will make sure she knows about safe sex and then trust her to make the decisions about it that's right for her, I have no right to tell her what choices to make. Whether she wants to die a virgin or become a prostitute is HER choice, not mine.

      So that's where my sympathies lie. Nonetheless there is a matter of what is legal versus what is moral here. And the father had legal consent - which a court is unlikely to mess with because, many years later, the former minor wants to revoke it.
      I really do hope the judge pushes for a settlement - because there is no good ruling in this case. Rule against the parents - and you risk the careers of a thousand young performances, every kid who ever wanted to do sports, hell every driver's ed class ! Rule against the girl - and you place serious harm on the issue of bodily autonomy, privacy and dignity - a finding I would rather not have happen, no matter the other circumstances.

      That said - the odds are really against her. Americans DO have a constitutional right to freedom of speech, they do not have a constitutional right to dignity as we here in South Africa and most European countries have. The court will, if it comes down to it, be forced to favour the constitutional right over the non-constitutional one.

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    13. Re:Pics or it didn't happen! by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The American adherence to common law is not quite as evolved as in the rest of the British-origined systems. Constitutional arguments are favoured. Something that happens in the EU/UK doesn't have direct bearing on outcomes, or so is my experience.

      I hope they heal.

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  48. There was an awesome 'ER' episode ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was an awesome 'ER' episode where the abused daughter refused to place her elderly, demented father in a home.

    She preferred to keep him at home, where she could 'take care' of him. The look of terror in the old man's eyes was priceless.

    It was chilling, and thoroughly cathartic and enjoyable to consider.

  49. Not all parents are nice people by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd take them down, then thar would be the last she ever heard of me. "You are no longer in our life, person - is that taking you seriously enough?"

    If your response to everyone that gets mad at you for something you did is to shut them out of your life forever you're going to live a pretty lonely life. Doubly so if those people are your children. Shutting a child out of your life is an absolutely brutal thing to do. I have direct experience in my family of what this is like. Parents who do this for any reason other than self protection are assholes.

    You are correct about not knowing the dynamics of the situation. but if a child of mine ever sued me for anything, it would be the last contact they'd ever have with me.

    Based on your response that might be good thing. You sound unbalanced and I'm guessing you don't have children. You seriously believe that no matter how badly you behave the child should never be able to drag you in to court? Some parents are terrible, abusive, mean, or manipulative. Some parents steal from their children or beat them or abuse them both physically and psychologically. There is a reason emancipated minors are a thing. If an adult (she is 18) child actually gets to the point where you behavior has made them think that the only means to get you to behave nicely is to sue you then the problem is most likely YOU. What exactly do the parents lose by taking the pictures down? Nothing. They are keeping them up just out of spite and/or disrespect for self indulgent reasons. I'm having trouble seeing any scenario where the parents are the good guys here.

    If I posted a picture of someone and they asked me to take it down I see no reason to be a jerk about it and ignore the request. Granted going to court about it is pretty extreme but it's entirely conceivable that it is justified (or possibly not). Frankly I wouldn't want all my childhood pictures being posted publicly either so I get where the daughter is coming from. I don't have a facebook account for this very reason among others. Some people value their privacy and don't want everyone in the world to see every detail of their lives. Reasonable people will honor this point of view so long as it causes no harm and none could possibly come from taking down the pictures..

    1. Re:Not all parents are nice people by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      If your response to everyone that gets mad at you...

      What a disingenuous way to say "everyone who sues you".

    2. Re:Not all parents are nice people by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      If your response to everyone that gets mad at you for something you did is to shut them out of your life forever you're going to live a pretty lonely life. Doubly so if those people are your children. Shutting a child out of your life is an absolutely brutal thing to do. I have direct experience in my family of what this is like. Parents who do this for any reason other than self protection are assholes.

      The funny thing about some folks on the internetz is they seem to have interesting conversations in their head about others, that fit into some preconception. Where on earth did you get the idea to change what I said to anyone who gets mad at me gets shut out of my life? I am not a bugaboo inside your brain that you have arguments with and conveniently recast what I say so that you can derail me with a smashing riposte

      Yeah, if my son were to sue me for something, I would disown him. Why? Because if I found myself thinking of suing a family member, that's exactly what I would be doing. The act of suing someone is the disowning. The act of a family member suing me is disowning me first.

      As far as my family life - glad you asked! Its nowhere near as big as it once was, but I was on great terms with the inlaws, and lived in the same area with my parents in order to help them out as they aged. Visited each one at least a couple times a week, except for the one who lived in Florida, and that was a couple times a year. My son and his wife and kids likewise get along great with us.

      Based on your response that might be good thing. You sound unbalanced and I'm guessing you don't have children. You seriously believe that no matter how badly you behave the child should never be able to drag you in to court?

      I have a son and his wife, and they have twins. We all get along great. We visit each other often - it tends to be at our place though, as I have a lot of room and the boys like to play in the big back yard. We have a very rich family life.

      Some parents are terrible, abusive, mean, or manipulative. Some parents steal from their children or beat them or abuse them both physically and psychologically.

      But you see, I am not abusive, nor mean, nor manipulative. Why are you trying to turn me into a microcosm of these other people?

      A terrible parent who is mean manipulative or steals from me would be disowned by me really early. Given the general insulting tone of your commentary, and your rather overarching ability to write paragraphs from simple sentences, I must say, sjbe ,if you are not actually projecting here, you might want to try a different approach, because it looks like you are projecting.

      What exactly do the parents lose by taking the pictures down? Nothing. They are keeping them up just out of spite and/or disrespect for self indulgent reasons.

      As I noted, we don't know what the dynamics of this situation are. Make no mistake, I'm not standing up for the parents.

      At the same time, I don't care about my childhood photos being posted online, even the ones where I am, as my parents said "nekkid" - there are probably 2, and both on a changing table. Big damn deal.

      As well, I wouldn't post any of my kid's photos online without his permission, even the ones when he was an adult and we played on the same Ice Hockey team.

      So I cannot speak to the dynamics of this, only to note that in my case, a lawsuit would nerely be a statement of "You are dead to me".

      Some folks in this world live to fuck with each other. You see this with people who always have problems with their neighbors, go through a lot of marriages. I am not those people.

      I do however, believe that you are very much one of those people. Way too much projection and assumptions about my personality. This happens a lot when people try to pre-judge what a person is, they don't realize they are seeing a reflection of themselves in a mirror. Good luck with that.

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  50. Lacking empathy = mentally ill by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The obvious answer is to ignore it. Non-mentally-ill adults do not experience "emotional distress" over the fact that people may see some of their baby pictures.

    Why should she ignore it? That will not solve her problem. They are pictures of her, not pictures of you and they affect her. There can be real consequences to having even seemingly innocent information made public. Maybe you don't care but she's entitled to a different opinion. I don't like having pictures of me posted without my consent either. It's one of the reasons I don't participate in facebook. The parents are being very disrespectful and possibly harmful. It costs them nothing to take the pictures down and respect her harmless request for privacy. Mentally ill people are those who lack empathy for others and the parents are the ones showing a distinct lack of it here.

    I can get on board with the notion that suing might be overkill here but there is no objective reason for the parents to persist their behavior. I very much doubt they would like naked pictures of themselves posted publicly. The fact that she is a child in the pictures makes them arguably child porn if she really wants to play hardball over it. Just because someone is your parent doesn't make any and all behavior towards their child acceptable.

    1. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality is that she's calling more attention to it by making a big deal out of it.

    2. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      That will not solve her problem.

      Removing the photos won't solve her problem either. This needs specialist psychiatric care.

    3. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe you don't care but she's entitled to a different opinion.

      She certainly does. She's even entitled to a different opinion on whether or not she should sue her parents. That doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

      I can get on board with the notion that suing might be overkill here but there is no objective reason for the parents to persist their behavior.

      I don't disagree. Her parents should remove the pictures. But the original question was what should she do. Her father is evidently a jackass; she can't control that. In reality, it would be better for her, her parents, and everyone else if she were to let it go rather than going to the extreme of suing them.

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    4. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by Zelucifer · · Score: 2

      The fact that she is a child in the pictures makes them arguably child porn if she really wants to play hardball over it.

      Child porn, really? Do you have to destroy your argument with such hyperbole?

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    5. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure she didn't call the press to blow this out of proportion.

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    6. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The judge could well see it that way. Remember: "I know child porn when I see it", if the judge gets a boner, you're done for!

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    7. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are aware that if a friend of yours takes a picture of you with them (or whatnot), barring some specific law, they can post the picture and put your name to it, right? Again, it won't be a proper facebook "tag" but it will still be there.

      There's probably pictures of you on facebook right now - and not much you can do about it.

      " I very much doubt they would like naked pictures of themselves posted publicly." how do you know? if their parent(s) posted naked baby pics of them on facebook, I'm fairly sure they would be ok with it. We're not talking adult pictures here.

    8. Re:Lacking empathy = mentally ill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As I said to someone else, copied and pasted because it's just as relevant to you:

      Please don't speak of mental health and well-being, as you are clearly ignorant of the subject. I say this as a qualified and licensed mental health professional. If you continue, at least be aware that you are suffering under the Dunning-Kruger Effect. In case you choose to not look up that phenomenon, it means you're so goddamn ignorant you don't even realize how ignorant you are.

  51. Maybe if it weren't on Facebook by waspleg · · Score: 1

    where they will use every metric you can imagine and quite a few you probably can't to track this girl the rest of her natural life.

    Also, don't they claim ownership of everything posted? Maybe she should be telling Facebook to take them down and if they don't comply sue them instead.

    Facebook has dark profiles on people who don't have accounts. They do facial recognition and other shit to harvest as much data as absolutely possible. Embarrassing or not her parents have murdered her privacy for life. Damage is probably already done.

    1. Re:Maybe if it weren't on Facebook by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Embarrassing or not her parents have murdered her privacy for life.

      This story has certainly struck a chord with the precious over-entitled hysterical "millenial" twerps here.

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  52. What is sexual is viewer dependent by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Rules tend to be different when it's non sexualized photos of an infant. That's likely the case here.

    What is "sexual" is very much dependent on the viewer. Some people have fetishes I could not begin to imagine being arousing but nevertheless they are real. Just because the parents are too dense to grasp that fact doesn't make it less true. Do you really want somebody with tendencies towards child molestation pleasuring themselves over your child's pictures? There are people who do that you know. It's not hard to make an argument that any picture of a naked child could be considered child porn. And it is entirely reasonable to not want such pictures of oneself posted for all the world to see for that reason alone.

    There is no reason for the parents to not honor their child's reasonable request. The fact that the child had to get unreasonable about how she made her request speaks to how unreasonable the parents are being.

    1. Re:What is sexual is viewer dependent by quenda · · Score: 1

      It's not hard to make an argument that any picture of a naked child could be considered child porn.

      Its an old argument and a poor one. The problem is the logic leap from "it can be used for sexual gratification" to "porn". People made the same argument for partially clothed kids, so catalogues no longer have models for kids underwear. But perverts will still like photos of fully clothed models, so next stop is for all kids to wear burkas in public? Once you start changing your behaviour for fringe views, where do you stop?
      What about foot fetishes? More common than you think. Does that make bare feet porn? No - for reasons that should now be obvious, useful definitions of porn include intent and context, not just content.

        Lets just draw the line at commonly accepted standards. In more conservative parts of the US or Middle East, that means no nudity. In the rest of the world, its OK.

    2. Re:What is sexual is viewer dependent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seeing a teenage girl in a bikini is "sexual" per your definition then.

      you're just as dense.

    3. Re:What is sexual is viewer dependent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I totally agree that the parents should honor their child's request. However, I believe that and that alone is the only grounds for a lawsuit.

      Like you said, people have unfathomable fetishes. We will never scrub the internet of all candid photos of real people that have the potential to arouse other people, nor should we try. Even assuming some pedophile were able to view and take pleasure from a photo of a kid sitting on the toilet, why would that matter? It affects literally nothing. This weird fear of and sexualization of everything in the world is one of the most fucked up things about American society.

  53. Re:Child Porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tell Daddy that he shouldnt have taken those nudy pictures of his little girl and threaten to charge him with child porn if he doesnt take them down.... LOl

    problem solved

  54. Asshole parents by sjbe · · Score: 1

    It's much more likely the daughter is a hypersensitive, unsympathetic, thoughtless, self-absorbed twit.

    Disagree. I think we have some parents who lack empathy, are emotionally abusive and lack common courtesy. If someone posted naked pictures of me at any age publicly I'd be entirely within my rights to be pissed off at that asshole. Whether they see it as a problem or not is irrelevant. Now I'm sure there is more at play here than this one little incident but based on the facts at hand I have to say the parents are WAY out of line here.

    Disclaimer: I have a teenage daughter.

    And do you go out of your way to embarrass her or cause her emotional distress? If she made a harmess request of you would you tell her to get bent? Do you care so little for her feelings?

  55. White People.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....enough said.

  56. Fuck this generation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This fucking generation "something made me unhappy how can i litigate it out of existence, i have a right to only ever be happy!"

  57. What is wrong with your generation? by HBI · · Score: 1

    So now it's compassion to give money and harbor to ungrateful losers who don't realize that THEY have requirements and responsibilities too? So it's just dad that has to do all the fucking work? WTF is wrong with your generation? That kind of attitude was considered a mental disorder 25 years ago.

    I don't have a cent invested in anything that isn't real estate - because I don't like play money investments. Land doesn't go anywhere.

    My daughters aren't going to make much money, sadly. Maybe they'll marry up, but I doubt it. Menial labor is their fate.

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    1. Re:What is wrong with your generation? by lgw · · Score: 1

      So now it's compassion to give money and harbor to ungrateful losers who don't realize that THEY have requirements and responsibilities too?

      Well, yeah, that's pretty much the definition of compassion: giving help to people who don't deserve it.

      So it's just dad that has to do all the fucking work?

      Yup, welcome to being a mammal. Once they're adults, you're entitled to be upset if they boomerang, but when they're minors? That's what you sign up for. Heck, the financial part isn't even being a father, that's merely being a baby daddy. Being a father is real work.

      WTF is wrong with your generation?

      While UIDs don't exactly correspond with age, there is a strong correlation there, kid.

      I don't have a cent invested in anything that isn't real estate - because I don't like play money investments. Land doesn't go anywhere.

      It's like 2008 never happened.

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  58. Or for a cort order to stop? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it does not have to be $

  59. Does it matter if he has the right? by jgfenix · · Score: 1

    He shouldn't post anything that hurts his daughter.

    1. Re:Does it matter if he has the right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be he's trying to teach her to harden the fuck up? or stop being such a drama queen, to stop being so vane OR may be he just see's those 'embarrassing' moments differently than she does.

      either way both parents and child are complete pieces of shit, apple doesn't rot far from the tree i guess

  60. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's bad or not is not for you to decide you arrogant twat. It's for the person who is actually on the pictures.
    Further, children are not property, and boy are you in for a surprise if you have children and try to treat them like it. Just like it apparently did for this couple of asshole parents. "I created you, therefore I own you!" isn't just morally wrong, it's wrong in the legal sense too. As no doubt this pair of self-absorbed jackasses are about to find out.

  61. Simple Solution by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Condoms prevent children who later sue their parents.

  62. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do realize that you're not refuting him?

    Overriding the parents if they have nutty ideas about blood transfusions etc, isn't any way near treating them like property. It's looking out for their interests, something which is the obligation of every custodian, and if the parents are balking at that they are not doing their job.

  63. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Europeans are some real simpering pussies, huh? Those people wiped your retarded Eurotrash ass for years, they have a right to post pictures about it princess.

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, my uneducated, retarded American friend, they don't. And the court will make that very clear to them, because children are not property and parents are not owners but custodians. But I guess that's too fine a point for someone who dropped out of high-school because it was too hard.

  64. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Further, children are not property

    However the photographs the father took of his child ARE his property.

  65. Welcome to a Liberal World by OYAHHH · · Score: 1

    If you want to live in a world where parents are not allowed to have responsibility for their children but it is abdicated to the government this is the sort of thing you get.

    Puhlease don't act surprised when you loose all of your free speech rights if you don't protect everyone else's.

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    1. Re:Welcome to a Liberal World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol. How to spot a complete yahoo. Posting nude pictures of someone against their will is "responsible"? How do you "loose" free speech rights? And if you manage, how far do they fly? Do they fly, or do they run, btw?

      But seriously, I can understand why you're so scared, big bad guberniment stopping people from behaving like complete assholes, what a crisis! Next time they might come for you and make inquiries into why you and your wife looks so similar! LOL

      Go away you moron.

  66. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On what grounds?

  67. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " but here in the States, her parents would go to jail "

    No they wouldn't. Now you're just being dumb.

    Well, maybe not "just now"

  68. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would lose.
    The parents are responsible for her until she is 18.
    It's their own fault for fucking up her upbringing.

  69. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Technically correct, but just because something is your property doesn't mean you are allowed to use it as you please. Just because you own a car doesn't mean you have the right to run someone over, and if you own potentially damaging documents/photos, doesn't mean you have a right to extort someone with them. If you have a child you are allowed to withdraw money from their bank account, unless there are specific safeguards against it, that doesn't mean you won't land in hot water if you withdraw all the money in their account and spend it on blackjack and hookers.

    As a custodian you have power over someone else's life, and as is well known, with power comes responsibilities. You are supposed to use your power for the benefit of the child. Not satisfy your own egotistical whims. We all know in what category "posting nude pictures of someone" lands in. It's completely in the same ballpark as "revenge porn", only a child have even less power to object at the acquisition of said material.

  70. This might be a hoax by Menchi · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to another newspaper (Berliner Morgenpost) this story might be a hoax. Suspeced reasons: There is a single source for this story (Austrian tabloid "Die ganze Woche"), the court cited in the article doesn't know anything about this case, her lawyer cited in this article doesn't know anything about this case, the newspaper that is the only source doesn't comment on inquiries at all and the people involved in the lawsuit can't be contacted directly because their identities are not known. All of this makes the chances this is made up pretty high.

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  71. Re:Not all kids are nice people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hey moron - there's a BIG difference between "someone getting mad at you" and someone SUING you.

    Based on your response, you're an idiot. You sound unbalanced and I'm guessing that you're a neckbeard that's never had sex outside of your palm. You seriously believe, without knowing all of the info, that a child should never be able to drag you to court? Some parents are great, loving, happy, and caring. Some kids steal from their children or their children beat them or abuse then both physically and psychologically. If an adult child actually sues their parents perhaps they are spoiled brats who didn't get their way and the problem is actually THE CHILD. What exactly does the child lose by suing their parents at 18 (not even figuring out who is PAYING for the lawyer)? Potentially everything. I'm having trouble seeing ANY scenario where the kid is the good guy here.

    If you posted a picture of someone and they asked you to take it down, it's your choice not to take it down. Just the same that it would be your choice to leave it up. Frankly, if your parents have pics of your childhood, it's their right to post them if they want to share with THEIR friends. We're glad you don't have a facebook account - you're probably one of those crazies who think you have privacy in public or the internet. Besides, seeing duck-lip pics of a sasquatch neckbeard isn't something most of us want to see anyways.

    Reasonable people would see that a majority of the pictures cause no harm to this spoiled brat and she should be taught a lesson that just because she doesn't agree with something doesn't mean she's going to get her way.

  72. Definitely in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US culture prides itself on taking things to the extreme. Look at all the examples:

    * The completely absurd tipping customs and expectations, which, unbelievably, continue to get worse
    * The widespread practice of suing anybody for anything, which, amazingly, is met with applause rather than disgust
    * The ridiculous truck culture, where people go into debt to buy diesel trucks the size of small houses for... drum roll please... grocery shopping and driving to work

    Feel free to add your own -- cultural absurdities are easy to come by in the US.

  73. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "As a parent you need to show that it is you are in control and you who make the rules."

    No, the parents do NOT make the rules. Too easy, children do not belong to their parents.
    Parents must apply rules given by society, laws, common decency, religion, nature or whatever.

    These parents are simply abusing of their authority on the daughter who was conditioned to trust them during her childhood.
    She now discovers they are simply dishonest and do not deserve this trust. Morons can have children too, after all.

    "self destructive like suing ones own parents"
    This might be VERY profitable for the daughter:
    * Lot of money.
    * Get rid of the parents
    * Make them ridiculous and hate-able.

  74. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you attempting to claim that the person is correctly handling conflict resolution by asking the Government to give her "her" way? Sorry, but that is absolutely not conflict resolution, it's bullying.

    Nope, it's legal conflict resolution. The state reserves the right to compulsive force and the determination that such much be imposed, outside of extreme circumstances. It is the height of maturity, and if you disagree, well, you'll have to overthrow our entire civil society.

    I suggest not doing so without more thought and consideration.

    Given that action, how likely is it that she ever talked to them and asked them to take down any photos compared to trying to bully her parents into taking the pictures down?

    That's 100%, if we believe the article.

    I could be wrong, but generally gauge people pretty well.

    That you think this, when you've never met any of the parties, tends to point against your gauging. That it comes after a post where you try to make a psychological diagnosis, in other words, a false appeal to authority, is also not to your credit.

    Maybe you mean well, but I really don't trust your own scrutiny of yourself.

    I agree that there could be problems on both sides, but her side is open for inspection. Pictures of her on a potty chair (one of the ones I heard she had in her complain) are not bad by default. My parents had pictures of me on the potty chair, another in my undies with Chicken Pox, etc..

    Actually, her side is very undefined, with no real presentation of any of the discomfort caused, merely a statement of stress. You can't judge her character very well at all. And nothing of her parents, so you'd just be wildly speculating there.

    I didn't do the same for my kid, but that's not in any way claiming my parents were wrong. It was a personal preference where I simply didn't take photos like my parents did. They invested hundreds of hours on setting up photo albums, I didn't.

    And while we could speculate that her parents resent their hard work being opposed, that might not be fair. So let's not.

    If the pictures were of her being naked it would be considered porn and her parents would have had to remove the photos and probably be facing criminla charges. That is not the case presented thus far, if you have different evidence show it.

    "or lying naked in my cot -- every stage was photographed and then made public," form the summary itself.

    Not that this speaks well of you either, since you're suggesting an extreme response rather than a mild one.

  75. Re:Not all kids are nice people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know i'm feeding a troll now, but heck...

    A parent does not OWN their kids.. They are not their property... It's their responsibility to take care of and make sure they behave, but the kids have all the same rights to privacy as anyone else..

    Posting a picture publicly of their child falls under the same rules as posting a picture of some random adult person they meet..

  76. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teenagers are tricky create they often have little empathy of their own yet are highly sensitive to perceived slights and are easily embarrassed.

    Parents are tricky because they often react to any criticism with reckless blustery entitlement and a flurry of accusations, yet within the accusations are things like "lack of empathy," "spoiled and entitled," "impulsive," "refuses to take responsibility for their actions," that apply better to the person speaking the accusation than the target.

    I can understand both attitudes here. The parents are correct at pattern-matching accusation to scenario but deficient in perspective, reactionary, and for whatever reason completely incapable of self-criticism. The closest they can come to that is to criticize other parents, something they do very delicately and only in ways unlikely to blow back on themselves.

  77. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Teenagers are VERY image conscious.

    You would be a lot more image conscious than you are if you were dating or had more than three friends. It's more like "old married people are UTTERLY shameless."

  78. Hoo hooooooo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm tired of my parents not taking me seriously."

    Says the 18 year-old!

    Fracking awesome. I might not STOP laughing.

  79. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think any court or reasonable person would think asking 7 years and being refused is trying to work it out.

  80. "right to post the pictures because he took them" by neminem · · Score: 1

    > "The woman's father reportedly believes he's in the right to post the pictures because he took them."

    Well, sounds like I have a trip to Austria to make. Specifically, to right outside this guy's window, to take some pictures of him while he's changing, which I will then have the right to post, because they were my pictures, right? Apparently, according to this guy's logic...

  81. Re: Not all kids are nice people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the parent DOES OWN those pictures. See this why it has to come down to court and why we can't have nice things.

  82. Re: Sucks to be her I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps, but 'I created you, therefore I own you' is correct in the legal sense when the object of ownership is a photo.

  83. Re:Sucks to be her I guess by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Overriding the parents if they have nutty ideas about blood transfusions etc, isn't any way near treating them like property.

    The parents treat them as property. Were you homeschooled or something, you dumb fuck?

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