Its been several years since Google Maps made an appearance with that functionality, and still I have yet to see a decent third party library that can do it for my own projects.
In.se there are at least *two* competing yellow pages/map services (kartor.eniro.se, hitta.se) who
pull it off, and are at least as stable than Google Maps. They've been around for many years.
My guess is it's fairly well-understood technology by now, even if there are no third-party libraries
(which Microsoft would never use anyway).
Back in the '70s and '80s I worked at many sites where mainframe ops used to clear tonnes of fanfold paper every day. This is why we had separate printer rooms: a bank of 6 or 8 barrel-printers belting out 132 columns of text at 1800 lines/minute created sacksful of dust.
Most of that rubbish was never read in any depth - it was physically impossible to do so before it became out of date, so most of that paper went straight to the shredders, which often shared space with the printers that created the stuff in the first place. I used to have fantasies about lining up the shredders directly behind the printers to save everybody the trouble of distributing the printouts.
"They give birth astride a grave, the light gleams an instant, then its night once more."
-- "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett
(The connection between office papers and the quote is not mine; I heard it as a paraphrase somewhere.)
I support the artists I listen to by buying branded merchandise and by paying to see them perform. I don't pay them for the recordings I keep on my mp3 player.
I support them by paying for concerts *and* recordings.
(Most of them don't tour my part of the world regularly, BTW.)
I fail to see how you can pirate someone's music and "support" him at the same time.
(Unless what you pirate is bootlegs or material the artist for some reason doesn't
reissue, like My Bloody Valentine's "You Made Me Realise EP".)
The IEEE may consider itself and its most influential members to be among those who gain from the Bilski ruling and software patents, but here's my top ten list of losers:
1. The free software and open source communities
2. Software patent abolitionists
3. Small and medium-sized companies who can't or don't want to play the patent game
4. The proponents of bogus treatments: Linux Foundation, Open Invention Network etc.
5. The Patent Absurdity movie
6. Red Hat
7. Google's foray into new markets (Android, WebM)
8.Salesforce.com (Marc Benioff)
9. The "captive court" theory
10. IBM's open source credibility
You forgot us normal programmers, free software guys or not.
Who wants to come up with a neat design, get himself or his company into trouble
for it, and be forced to go back and tear out that neat design again?
Maybe it's just my experience, but I have gathered that a higher percentage of women seem to ignore objective data if their "intuition" suggests otherwise. Fewer women have a "scientific method" approach to problem solving, and instead prefer a heuristic method (existential ideas about the world aside), or even "trial and error".
Around here I see *noone* using scientific methods.
In such a culture rejecting "trial and error" (experimentation) is unwise.
It leads to the two dreaded approaches "this is how I have always done it"
and "I want to apply my pet idea so I won't listen to any counter-arguments".
Guess which gender stereotype *those* fit?
I really wish people could understand that the only way people find out about new music is to hear it.
[...] Who would drop $15 on a CD just to see if it was [good] or not?
I suppose that's a rhetoric question and you expect the answer to be "noone".
But the real answer is, millions of people have happily done that, for half a century or so.
You typically have a friend recommend it, or you hear a song on the radio, or you already
know the artist's earlier work.
Today's recommendation from me is Calenture by The Triffids. Or *any* of their albums.
(See how easy it is?)
With the bit I know about street drugs, and the amount he has done over the years, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some was tainted with some sort of radioactive material. I'm afraid to know many radiation tainted drugs came out of Eastern Europe around 1986/1987.
Sorry, but that just screams "urban legend".
Did they even *have* drug labs there before the 1990s? And if they had, where would the drug manufactures
get hold of radioactives? And why?
No, a Common mutagen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagen) are Alkaloid plants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkaloid) which include Cocaine. I'm sure there are more but that's what I was able to figure out after a quick google.
You make that sound as if alkaloids are generally mutagens.
I really doubt that is true, and you have provided no information to support that idea --
the impressive links nonwithstanding.
I don't.
The way it was in the late 1990s, most articles were not very interesting
for a Unix/free software kind of guy. Or maybe I had by then already become too lazy
to read full articles.
[RSnapshot] is no good for a true snapshot since the rsync operation is non-atomic on a live filesystem.
I cannot help wondering when I read stuff like that who *really need* atomic,
and who just like it because it sounds cool...
If that 2.4 guy doesn't really *need* theoretical atomicity, and he can do his work with something much more simple, he should.
For starters this isn't exactly new. It might be new to consumer grade crapware printers, but I believe I setup a Canon office copier that had the ability to receive emails and print them approximately 8 years ago.
I bet people did this in the 1980s.
A simple mail-to-printer gateway takes thirty seconds or so to set up in Unix.
(But why do it? The line printer spooler protocol was in use already in the early 1980s).
On another note.. Do you think casual readers would have any more success interpreting the raw data files? Anyhow, I am interested in the technique as it is not one I am currently using. With a little practice this may be a good at a glance technique.
Yes -- I do things like these all the time, and I frequently have reason to go:
"Oh, our systems behave like *this* in reality?"
I wrote an article on the subject (with gnuplot as the visualization tool):
http://snipabacken.se/~grahn/gnuplot_kicks_ass/
If you want to assemble an affordable but fast PC nowadays, you'll probably end up with a 40GB SSD for OS+Apps with a cheap, silent and big hard disk for storage. The problem with this approach is the barrier at 40GB. What if your SSD needs more space? What if it turns out that some frequently-used data is on the hard disk? Or that 60% of the OS files are hardly used? Hybrid drives try to decide for themselves which data should be optimized.
I fail to see why the OS and "apps" should be the things that go onto the SSD.
Surely that's stuff that's read once a day or so, and then stays in RAM?
I bet it's rare for a machine that waits for disk I/O to wait for *such* things,
compared to pure user data (including whatever data a mail/web/etc server handles).
Yeah and your counterexamples were Red Dwarf and Mighty Boosh.
You probably don't understand my point. Everyone else does.
Nobody watches Red Dwarf. It's not bad, but it's not exactly good. Mighty Boosh is just bad.
You're wrong. I watch Red Dwarf. And I find The Mighty Boosh mind-blowing.
QED, smeghead.
Go keep talking down widely-popular bits of culture and talk up your inconsequential and little-cared-for interests, eventually it'll make you look more worldly and sophisticated than others. Maybe. Probably not, most people have actually seen both of those shows and are well aware they're nowhere near the quality in both production and entertainment value as The Simpsons.
Oooh, I get it! You're just spoofing the Comic Book Store Guy, right?
Yeah. VB, C++, Java, they all do PCL commands.
Easiest way is to Build yourself a Win32 GUI, since thats what your users probably use already.
First, aren't they already using his BAT script?
Second, I wouldn't use "easiest" and Win32 in the same sentence.
Third: a GUI will prevent the testers from modifying the tool, and also prevent automation.
Then people will complain, and you will invent your own scripting language, as an XML specialization,
and the *real* horrors will begin.
*Again?* I thought those guys died out around the time the
Unix Hater's Handbook came out in what? -- the late 1980s?
The grandparent just looks quaint to me.
by rejecting our own culture and embracing an alien one, you show how sophisticated and different you are from the masses. (...) China is doing this right now in a big way. Eating traditional Chinese food? Eww, the commoners do that! Let's go to McDonald's and get that sophisticated international food that costs way too much!
I spent three weeks in Shanghai in April, and I didn't see what you describe, or hear any local coworkers
express such ideas.
There were plenty of KFCs, but I can't remember seeing any other US fast-food franchises,
except maybe in the tourist-oriented parts of the city.
What?
Amigas were cheaper than the IBM PCs and short list of clones available at the time and much less expensive than the Macs. They weren't cheaper than the 8 bit computers of their day, but then they weren't 8 bit computers.
True. When I bought an A500 as my first computer in 1990 it was clearly the smart choice
for a poor student.
The DOS world competed by branding the Amiga a "gaming" computer, despite the fact that at that time superior gaming performance clearly demonstrated superior performance across the board.
Ultimately, the Amiga did fall behind, but only after Commodore itself folded and nearly a decade after its introduction.
It fell behind a few years before that, maybe around the time the A1200 came.
PC stuff (Intel CPUs, graphics cards) quickly became cheaper due to the large quantities.
The A3000 and A4000 desktop computers were pretty expensive.
The OS was still superior to MacOS and Windows though.
Same shit for programming. Teach students on languages that companies want. Guess what? C++ (and even C) and C# and such are those languages. Pascal is not. I don't care if some old fossil of a professor loves Pascal. Suck it up, learn a new language.
I don't care what companies want. Companies are stupid.
But I *do* care if those languages are relevant, interesting, are used by lots real people and have
free implementations.
Pascal fails all those tests. Wasn't that the crippled little 1970s language which lacked modularity and variable-sized arrays? ObjectPascal (or whatever it's called) can be used for real programming (I knew a guy ten years ago who did), but fails most of those criteria.
The "designed to teach programming and problem-solving" phrasing the board used
almost certainly refers to Wirth's original Pascal. I bet Borland didn't design Delphi
as a teaching tool.
And anyone who thinks that C++ is an object oriented language should not be giving advice. If you want OOP, you want a language like Smalltalk, Ruby, or even Java. C++ is a procedural language with support for encapsulation and generic programming. It fails the Ingalls test and doesn't come close to being object oriented.
I had never heard of the Ingalls test, so I googled it.
All references were in Powerpoint presentations which I was unable to read, but
I understand it was defined by... the inventor of Smalltalk.
So inventor of $FOO says $BAR doesn't have the desireable property $baz, if $baz is
narrowly defined by the inventor of $FOO. How surprising.
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In .se there are at least *two* competing yellow pages/map services (kartor.eniro.se, hitta.se) who
pull it off, and are at least as stable than Google Maps. They've been around for many years.
My guess is it's fairly well-understood technology by now, even if there are no third-party libraries
(which Microsoft would never use anyway).
"They give birth astride a grave, the light gleams an instant, then its night once more."
-- "Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett
(The connection between office papers and the quote is not mine; I heard it as a paraphrase somewhere.)
I support them by paying for concerts *and* recordings. (Most of them don't tour my part of the world regularly, BTW.)
I fail to see how you can pirate someone's music and "support" him at the same time. (Unless what you pirate is bootlegs or material the artist for some reason doesn't reissue, like My Bloody Valentine's "You Made Me Realise EP".)
You forgot us normal programmers, free software guys or not. Who wants to come up with a neat design, get himself or his company into trouble for it, and be forced to go back and tear out that neat design again?
Never mind that. What *I* would like to know is: what is IT?
Around here I see *noone* using scientific methods. In such a culture rejecting "trial and error" (experimentation) is unwise. It leads to the two dreaded approaches "this is how I have always done it" and "I want to apply my pet idea so I won't listen to any counter-arguments". Guess which gender stereotype *those* fit?
I suppose that's a rhetoric question and you expect the answer to be "noone". But the real answer is, millions of people have happily done that, for half a century or so. You typically have a friend recommend it, or you hear a song on the radio, or you already know the artist's earlier work.
Today's recommendation from me is Calenture by The Triffids. Or *any* of their albums. (See how easy it is?)
Sorry, but that just screams "urban legend". Did they even *have* drug labs there before the 1990s? And if they had, where would the drug manufactures get hold of radioactives? And why?
You make that sound as if alkaloids are generally mutagens. I really doubt that is true, and you have provided no information to support that idea -- the impressive links nonwithstanding.
I don't. The way it was in the late 1990s, most articles were not very interesting for a Unix/free software kind of guy. Or maybe I had by then already become too lazy to read full articles.
Yeah right. Those students at the Tiananmen Square, for example, they should have "minded their own business".
(Ok, so you just meant to say North Korea is worse. You don't need to make the PRC look better than it's people to do that.)
I cannot help wondering when I read stuff like that who *really need* atomic, and who just like it because it sounds cool ...
If that 2.4 guy doesn't really *need* theoretical atomicity, and he can do his work with something much more simple, he should.
I bet people did this in the 1980s. A simple mail-to-printer gateway takes thirty seconds or so to set up in Unix. (But why do it? The line printer spooler protocol was in use already in the early 1980s).
Yes -- I do things like these all the time, and I frequently have reason to go: "Oh, our systems behave like *this* in reality?" I wrote an article on the subject (with gnuplot as the visualization tool): http://snipabacken.se/~grahn/gnuplot_kicks_ass/
I fail to see why the OS and "apps" should be the things that go onto the SSD. Surely that's stuff that's read once a day or so, and then stays in RAM? I bet it's rare for a machine that waits for disk I/O to wait for *such* things, compared to pure user data (including whatever data a mail/web/etc server handles).
You're wrong. I watch Red Dwarf. And I find The Mighty Boosh mind-blowing. QED, smeghead.
Oooh, I get it! You're just spoofing the Comic Book Store Guy, right?
Hal Draper, MS Fnd in a Lbry, The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, December 1961.
http://home.comcast.net/~bcleere/texts/draper.html
First, aren't they already using his BAT script? Second, I wouldn't use "easiest" and Win32 in the same sentence. Third: a GUI will prevent the testers from modifying the tool, and also prevent automation. Then people will complain, and you will invent your own scripting language, as an XML specialization, and the *real* horrors will begin.
*Again?* I thought those guys died out around the time the Unix Hater's Handbook came out in what? -- the late 1980s? The grandparent just looks quaint to me.
I spent three weeks in Shanghai in April, and I didn't see what you describe, or hear any local coworkers express such ideas. There were plenty of KFCs, but I can't remember seeing any other US fast-food franchises, except maybe in the tourist-oriented parts of the city.
True. When I bought an A500 as my first computer in 1990 it was clearly the smart choice for a poor student.
It fell behind a few years before that, maybe around the time the A1200 came. PC stuff (Intel CPUs, graphics cards) quickly became cheaper due to the large quantities. The A3000 and A4000 desktop computers were pretty expensive. The OS was still superior to MacOS and Windows though.
I don't care what companies want. Companies are stupid. But I *do* care if those languages are relevant, interesting, are used by lots real people and have free implementations. Pascal fails all those tests. Wasn't that the crippled little 1970s language which lacked modularity and variable-sized arrays? ObjectPascal (or whatever it's called) can be used for real programming (I knew a guy ten years ago who did), but fails most of those criteria.
The "designed to teach programming and problem-solving" phrasing the board used almost certainly refers to Wirth's original Pascal. I bet Borland didn't design Delphi as a teaching tool.
I had never heard of the Ingalls test, so I googled it. All references were in Powerpoint presentations which I was unable to read, but I understand it was defined by ... the inventor of Smalltalk.
So inventor of $FOO says $BAR doesn't have the desireable property $baz, if $baz is narrowly defined by the inventor of $FOO. How surprising.
An adult Volvo, waxed smooth, on the other hand ...
C has strings, but not in the same sense as the C++ has them. A C string is not a value in the same sense as an int, a char or even a struct is.