Who wants to compete with engineers in India who are happy to work for $50 a month?
Yes, there are some jobs that must be done locally, but the supply/demand ratio looks grim. Seems like a lot of hard work and expense to compete for such dismal prospects.
Still, engineering makes a lot more sense than computer science, which in turn makes a lot more sense than math.
Law school is the only way to go. An easy $150K after a few years. In the future, all USA citizens will make their living suing each other.
I noticed that you sidestepped the issue, and didn't supply any proof. Instead you just started name calling.
I can tell you this, it cost me $40 in tariffs to send an old computer monitor to a friend in Canada, as a gift. I also happen to know that Canada has huge tariffs on many USA goods.
If you can supply proof of USA wrong doing, I would be glad to read it.
So, it would appear that the only people who are actually free to participate in OSS projects are self-employed or unemployed software professionals, students and enthusiastic amateurs. Anyone else contributing to OSS projects may be unwittingly engaged in illegal activity by stealing their employer's IP. This does not square well with the altruistic image of OSS.
Actually, a lot of OSS has been contributed by major companies like IBM, SGI, and Sun.
Damn good point. Why get a nearly useless BSCS, when for the same nickle you can get a degree in engineering and be considered a real professional, with pay to match?
I agree entirely. But, when an employer wants to hire a Java programmer; that employer doesn't give a damn about how much Lisp or Prolog you have studied.
In fact, in many cases, the employer prefers that you haven't worked in other languages. Because if you have worked in other languages, then you are not dedicated to Java, and you not a Java specialist.
Sorry, but that is how things work in the real world.
I have even worked in developing software that is designed for highly quantive purposes.
I have degrees in math and computer science. Virtually everything that is taught in those theoretical courses is useless.
Comptuter *science* might be a good for actual scientists. People who go on to get a PhD, and work in very high-level R&D for NASA, or something. But for 99% of real world work, it has no value.
Academia is totally out of touch with the real world. Academia stresses theory, real world demands experience with specific products, i.e. Oracle, Java, ClearCase, etc.
As a linux desktop user, I have far more trouble with proprietary multi-media files than anything else. It seems they change the formats all the time. And I can't see where the formats are changed for any reason other than to force users to use proprietary players.
There are a lot of web-sites that simply do not work with any OSS browser, tons of content that will only work with proprietary players.
I can see both sides of the cert arguement. But this particular article is idiotic.
> True - You can have the knowledge without having to pay to be Certified when it comes to computers. True - Just because you have the certification does not mean you actually know the material as well as someone who is not certified. You might just be good at taking tests.
So what is the point of getting IT Certifications? To have a piece of paper?
IT Certifications can be pretty expensive for many.
Compared to what? Up to $900 a unit for college? I consider the time required to study for a cert to be much more "expensive" than the $200 to take the exam.
The USA government always wants more money, so do state and local governments. Anything "sinful" is easy to tax. Because "HA - HA!" it only hurts the sinners, let them pay the bill.
Cigarettes and liquor are taxed up the wahzoo. It's easy money. So who would object to another tax that is aimed at saving the poor children. Won't somebody think of the children?
How is this tax supposed to save children anyway? Children aren't paying for porn - legally they can't. And what about foreign porn? Can the USA government tax foreign countries like that?
It's just another cash grab by our insatilby cash hungry government.
Absolute 100% security? Not many. Better than IT? Take your pick.
Medicine is a protected field - you have to have a license, and the governing bodies will only issue so many licenses each year.
A nurse with a two year degree can have his/her choice of jobs with $15K sign-on bonuses, and $35/hour - if don't mind working nights (my sister is a nurse).
Ever talk to a doctor? To a doctor the very idea of having to face a job glut is incomprehensible.
How about lawyers? I predict that within 20 years, all Americans will make their living by suing each other.
Engineers may not have the kind of security that they used to have; but engineers don't have to scrape and beg for every nickle and dime like computer pros.
While we're posting on slashdot, darl is laughing all the way to the bank.
The scox-scam has been a huge success, and will continue to be a huge success for another 1.5 years at the very least.
- linux has a legal cloud over it. - many scox execs sold when scox was in the high teens, their options cost them $0.001 each. - mcbride made a cool million last year in salary. - the scam continues.
McBride wasn't "caught up in the hype" it was a planned scam from day one.
This letter proves that mcbride knew there was no infringing code. Yet mcbride went on to make many public claims to the contrary. Mcbride also wrote 1500 corporations demanding $$ for scox's code, which mcbride knew wasn't there.
The media hype was orchestrated by scox. Why do you think they only showed the code to select journalists who signed an NDA? Scox didn't want any honest journalists reporting - scox still doesn't.
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Who wants to compete with engineers in India who are happy to work for $50 a month?
Yes, there are some jobs that must be done locally, but the supply/demand ratio looks grim. Seems like a lot of hard work and expense to compete for such dismal prospects.
Still, engineering makes a lot more sense than computer science, which in turn makes a lot more sense than math.
Law school is the only way to go. An easy $150K after a few years. In the future, all USA citizens will make their living suing each other.
It reminds me of HP and Compaq.
I know msft isn't anywhere near dead, but msft isn't going anywhere these days.
AOL must be losing customers. As more people move to broadband, AOL is practically begging people to stay with AOL for spam protection etc.
Frankly, I'm fine with msft buying AOL, they deserve each other.
I noticed that you sidestepped the issue, and didn't supply any proof. Instead you just started name calling.
I can tell you this, it cost me $40 in tariffs to send an old computer monitor to a friend in Canada, as a gift. I also happen to know that Canada has huge tariffs on many USA goods.
If you can supply proof of USA wrong doing, I would be glad to read it.
So what if the RIAA can only intimidate 99% of their victims, instead of 100%?
The effect of the frivilous lawsuit machine is just the same.
So, it would appear that the only people who are actually free to participate in OSS projects are self-employed or unemployed software professionals, students and enthusiastic amateurs. Anyone else contributing to OSS projects may be unwittingly engaged in illegal activity by stealing their employer's IP. This does not square well with the altruistic image of OSS.
Actually, a lot of OSS has been contributed by major companies like IBM, SGI, and Sun.
Damn good point. Why get a nearly useless BSCS, when for the same nickle you can get a degree in engineering and be considered a real professional, with pay to match?
I agree entirely. But, when an employer wants to hire a Java programmer; that employer doesn't give a damn about how much Lisp or Prolog you have studied.
In fact, in many cases, the employer prefers that you haven't worked in other languages. Because if you have worked in other languages, then you are not dedicated to Java, and you not a Java specialist.
Sorry, but that is how things work in the real world.
I have even worked in developing software that is designed for highly quantive purposes.
I have degrees in math and computer science. Virtually everything that is taught in those theoretical courses is useless.
Comptuter *science* might be a good for actual scientists. People who go on to get a PhD, and work in very high-level R&D for NASA, or something. But for 99% of real world work, it has no value.
Academia is totally out of touch with the real world. Academia stresses theory, real world demands experience with specific products, i.e. Oracle, Java, ClearCase, etc.
Plus the whole time that you're in college racking up debt - you're *not* in the work force gaining valuable experience, and climbing the ladder.
These articles about not enought BSCSs are idiotic, nobody is asking for BSCSs, what employers want is experience.
If you are going to go to college for something technical, get a real engineering degree, that is at least worth something.
Glad I only went to college for seven years and got degrees in math, comp sci, and business. I lot of friggin good it did me.
Here is the ad:
http://denver.craigslist.org/eng/89900924.html
Don't everybody apply at once.
> We are giving good raises to our employeesMicrosoft certifications are drawing the best compensation,
I'm in Denver, Colorado. Here, there are asking for MCSEs for helpdesk, and deployments (setting up PCs).
> security is going to be a big boom in the next few years.
I've been hearing that for at least seven years now.
As a linux desktop user, I have far more trouble with proprietary multi-media files than anything else. It seems they change the formats all the time. And I can't see where the formats are changed for any reason other than to force users to use proprietary players.
There are a lot of web-sites that simply do not work with any OSS browser, tons of content that will only work with proprietary players.
I can see both sides of the cert arguement. But this particular article is idiotic.
>
True - You can have the knowledge without having to pay to be Certified when it comes to computers.
True - Just because you have the certification does not mean you actually know the material as well as someone who is not certified. You might just be good at taking tests.
So what is the point of getting IT Certifications? To have a piece of paper?
IT Certifications can be pretty expensive for many.
Compared to what? Up to $900 a unit for college? I consider the time required to study for a cert to be much more "expensive" than the $200 to take the exam.
As I under it, there are more males at both ends of the IQ curve.
I think that is all old news.
About two years I decided to ship a used computer to a poor friend in a remote part of Canada.
Canada charged $40 just for the used 17" monitor (I could not have sold it for $50 here).
The package was declared as gift, and all. Canada didn't care.
future, then don't use msft. Because you will be completely vendor locked.
Seems to be one of the "ifs" she forgot.
If you just stop going to a site, the owners of the site will never know exactly why.
You have to let them know that you are not happy with non-standard site.
>>You mean people actually pay for porn!?!?!?!
Of course *we* don't. But if the porn sites can't get any paying customers, then that will be end of the 10 second sample clips.
The USA government always wants more money, so do state and local governments. Anything "sinful" is easy to tax. Because "HA - HA!" it only hurts the sinners, let them pay the bill.
Cigarettes and liquor are taxed up the wahzoo. It's easy money. So who would object to another tax that is aimed at saving the poor children. Won't somebody think of the children?
How is this tax supposed to save children anyway? Children aren't paying for porn - legally they can't. And what about foreign porn? Can the USA government tax foreign countries like that?
It's just another cash grab by our insatilby cash hungry government.
This reminds of the arguement: "few people will want to use longhorn/vista, so everybody will switch to linux." Why not just stay with XP/2K?
Absolute 100% security? Not many. Better than IT? Take your pick.
Medicine is a protected field - you have to have a license, and the governing bodies will only issue so many licenses each year.
A nurse with a two year degree can have his/her choice of jobs with $15K sign-on bonuses, and $35/hour - if don't mind working nights (my sister is a nurse).
Ever talk to a doctor? To a doctor the very idea of having to face a job glut is incomprehensible.
How about lawyers? I predict that within 20 years, all Americans will make their living by suing each other.
Engineers may not have the kind of security that they used to have; but engineers don't have to scrape and beg for every nickle and dime like computer pros.
During the other recessions, I never had any doubt that the USA would pull out of it, stronger than ever.
I've also worked in IT 26 years. I've seen a few cycles there also. Again, this time I'm much less optimistic.
JMHO.
While we're posting on slashdot, darl is laughing all the way to the bank.
The scox-scam has been a huge success, and will continue to be a huge success for another 1.5 years at the very least.
- linux has a legal cloud over it.
- many scox execs sold when scox was in the high teens, their options cost them $0.001 each.
- mcbride made a cool million last year in salary.
- the scam continues.
McBride wasn't "caught up in the hype" it was a planned scam from day one.
This letter proves that mcbride knew there was no infringing code. Yet mcbride went on to make many public claims to the contrary. Mcbride also wrote 1500 corporations demanding $$ for scox's code, which mcbride knew wasn't there.
The media hype was orchestrated by scox. Why do you think they only showed the code to select journalists who signed an NDA? Scox didn't want any honest journalists reporting - scox still doesn't.
behind you.
Scox would not have been able to pull off the scam without lots of help from msft and sunw.