Wow! 3 million lines of UNIX copied into linux, and nobody noticed until now.
>>At that Q&A session, SCO Senior Vice President Chris Sontag said there are millions of lines of offending code involved and that it's highly unlikely the matter could be resolved by removing that code.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1224839,00. as p
Scox isn't selling anything anyway. All scox earnings are fud money from msft and sunw. You need to boycott scox's controlling company: Canopy Group. I urge you to email these companies and explain that you will not do any business with them. I have included the letter that I sent to these companies as a sample.
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I have worked in IT for 25 years, and have been involved in several major purchasing decisions.
I am infuriated at SCO/Canopy's attempts at fraud and extortion. As well as SCO's FUD campaign against Linux.
As such, I will no longer purchase, or recommend the purchase, of any products or services from any company that is even partially owned by SCO/Canopy. I intend to encourage my colleges to do the same.
Yet Caldera-Sco uses the term "Sequent-IBM" no less than six times in that press release. I guess Caldera-Sco is getting desperate.
If this press release were about only Sequent, it wouldn't make sense - there no longer is any Sequent. If this press realease were only about IBM, it woulnd't make sense - that press release went out months ago.
But since this press release is not about IBM or Sequent, but about "Sequent-IBM" it all makes sense, right?
Don't do business with a Canopy company
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Scox is a canopy company.
Canopy just won a $40 million settlement from CA.
Canopy is indirectly suing IBM though a company they control: scox.
Canopy won a huge settlement with microsoft: also by using scox, then called caldera.
Top exec at scox, sontag I think, said: "contracts are what you use against people."
Canopy controls about two dozen shell companies. All in the same area of Utah, all owned by Mormons. All the top execs are graduates of BYU, all sit on each others boards of directors, all have long business histories together. All own stock in each other, and trade that stock frantically.
If you do business with Canopy, Canopy will sue you - it's as simple as that. That is the only reason Canopy does business with another company.
Canopy companies don't really produce anything. They try to figure ways to sue other companies, and they do it very well.
Good luck finding shares to short, even if you don't get a margin account.
Scox is 68% owned by insiders, that means scox has a very small float. Scox short interest has peaked recently. Lots of people are finding that their brokers have no shares available to short.
There have been many unsubstantiated and inflamatory statements made recently in an attempt, we believe, primarily to slow the inevitable acceptance of Linux. Linux is a disruptive technology, troubling to many, puzzling to some, potentially freeing to all. With every disruptive technology, there will be those who fight to maintain the status quo, fight to hold on to a losing proposition.
SCO has already been halted in Germany and we applaud Red Hat's actions to help end their activities in the US -- and beyond.
We applaud their efforts to restrict the rhetoric of the SCO group -- and the FUD they are trying to instill -- and will determine quickly what actions SuSE can take to support Red Hat in their efforts.
We call on SCO to stop the fear, uncertainty and doubt and join with the rest of the IT community in building Linux into the next quantum advance in technology.
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_relea se s/archive03/sco_redhat.html
"Reality is IBM and RH painted a Linux liability target on the backs of their customers. And due to their actions we have no choice but to fight the battle against end users."
I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions..
This from a company who's only possible sources of income are related to suing, or threatening to sue everybody.
I must say that your decision to file legal action does not seem conducive to the long-term survivability of Linux
This from the company that has been bashing Linux non-stop for months now, and who plans to eliminate Linux as it now known.
Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy
Gosh, I thought Darl hated all that nasty litigation. Conspiracy? Sort of like Microsoft and Sun secretly funding Scox's anti-linux FUD campaign? Or Sco's actions being dictated by Canopy Group?
>>I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions...
This from a company who's only possible sources of income are related to suing, or threatening to sue everybody.
>>I must say that your decision to file legal action does not seem conducive to the long-term survivability of Linux
This from the company that has been bashing Linux non-stop for months now, and who plans to eliminate Linux as it now known.
>>Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy
Gosh, I thought Darl hated all that nasty litigation. Conspiracy? Sort of like Microsoft and Sun secretly funding Scox's anti-linux FUD campaign? Or Sco's actions being dictated by Canopy Group?
Please do bear in mind that most of these options where given to the execs in february - just before the scam lawsuit was filed. At the time scox was selling for about $2 a share, but the options were offered at just $0.001 each.
The lawsuit against IBM doesn't even start until April 2005. Lawsuit will take years. FUD money from sunw and msft will be gone by 2003. Sales at SCO are going from abysmal to worse. SCO has been *gushing* red ink since day one.
So what is scox going to do to pay the bills? I suppose scox can become a shell company, and exist only for the one-in-a-million chance that IBM will settle or something.
Makes me wonder how scox will get 15% of the market for web-tools, considering scox can't afford R&D. Even if scox could afford R&D, nobody would buy from scox.
Wow, what a bright future. No wonder SCO shares have gone from under $1 a share to over $13 a share.
This linux box on my home network gets along with the windows boxes, better than the windows boxes get along with each other.
I find networking between windows and linux faster and easier. internet conection sharing is also easier.
I don't use linux as a desktop much, because it doesn't support my hardware (win-modem or dsl modem) and it run my applications (ms-project), and it doesn't work with my buzme service.
1. A+ certification may not be a bad idea. Idiotic as it may be, this "proves" you know how to work on PCs. Some computer vendors may actually void a warrenty if a PC isn't worked on by an A+ certified tech.
2. Have contracts. Doesn't need to be anything especially fancy, but have something to protect yourself. Often you can get legal forms from those "home attorny" software packages.
3. I would advertise in the phonebook, not newspapers. Quick, you have a computer issue, do you look through that old pile of newspapers?
4. Use name brand hardware only. No CompUSA rebate specials. In the likely event that something doesn't work with that special deal hardware, you could spend ten times as long. Forget about tech support, forget about taking it back.
5. Backup. Don't do anything you can't back out of. Don't forget that some users like hide important files - don't assume everything is in my documents. Don't assume users have installation cds for their software apps.
6. Very often the fastest way to fix a PC, is to back up what you can. Format the drive and re-install everything.
7. Bring as many tools as you can. It seems like the one thing you leave behind is always what you need.
That's about all I can think of right now. Can anybody else think of anything?
It only takes a minute. If enough people complain, somebody may take notice. I am including web-sites and a sample letter.
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG _C ODE=PU01 http://naag.org/naag/feedback_form.php?s ubject=COM MENT http://www.usdoj.gov/contact-us.html
As the representative of a small business. I am writing to file a complaint regarding the actions of the SCO Group.
SCO is making unspecific and unsubstantiated claims that it owns copyright pertaining to the Linux operating system. SCO is threatening legal action against anybody who uses Linux. SCO has stated that the only way anybody can avoid legal action from SCO, is to purchase SCO's UnixWare product.
In deference to anything SCO may be claiming: SCO does not own Linux, nor does SCO have any special rights to Linux. Linux is protected by the General Public License (GPL). SCO has no more rights to tell people they can't use Linux, than SCO has to tell people they can't use MS-Windows.
Would you please investigate the claims that SCO is making so that small businesses and other companies are not pressured into making unwarranted payments.
Contact information for the SCO Group: The SCO Group 355 South 520 West, Suite 100 Lindon, Utah 84042 801.765.4999 phone 801.765.1313 fax
That is what I'm doing. I tried to send an email to legal@sco.com, but it bounced. So, I'll have to call their legal dept. and say: "According to you, I am using Linux illegally. I am not going to buy UnixWare. What are you going to do about it?"
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Wow! 3 million lines of UNIX copied into linux, and nobody noticed until now.
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>>At that Q&A session, SCO Senior Vice President Chris Sontag said there are millions of lines of offending code involved and that it's highly unlikely the matter could be resolved by removing that code.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1224839,00
Scox isn't selling anything anyway. All scox earnings are fud money from msft and sunw. You need to boycott scox's controlling company: Canopy Group. I urge you to email these companies and explain that you will not do any business with them. I have included the letter that I sent to these companies as a sample.
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B oycotting all companies affiliated with SCO/Canopy
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info@trolltech.com
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I have worked in IT for 25 years, and have been involved in several major purchasing decisions.
I am infuriated at SCO/Canopy's attempts at fraud and extortion. As well as SCO's FUD campaign against Linux.
As such, I will no longer purchase, or recommend the purchase, of any products or services from any company that is even partially owned by SCO/Canopy. I intend to encourage my colleges to do the same.
Yet Caldera-Sco uses the term "Sequent-IBM" no less than six times in that press release. I guess Caldera-Sco is getting desperate.
If this press release were about only Sequent, it wouldn't make sense - there no longer is any Sequent. If this press realease were only about IBM, it woulnd't make sense - that press release went out months ago.
But since this press release is not about IBM or Sequent, but about "Sequent-IBM" it all makes sense, right?
Scox is a canopy company.
Canopy just won a $40 million settlement from CA.
Canopy is indirectly suing IBM though a company they control: scox.
Canopy won a huge settlement with microsoft: also by using scox, then called caldera.
Top exec at scox, sontag I think, said: "contracts are what you use against people."
Canopy controls about two dozen shell companies. All in the same area of Utah, all owned by Mormons. All the top execs are graduates of BYU, all sit on each others boards of directors, all have long business histories together. All own stock in each other, and trade that stock frantically.
If you do business with Canopy, Canopy will sue you - it's as simple as that. That is the only reason Canopy does business with another company.
Canopy companies don't really produce anything. They try to figure ways to sue other companies, and they do it very well.
Good luck finding shares to short, even if you don't get a margin account.
Scox is 68% owned by insiders, that means scox has a very small float. Scox short interest has peaked recently. Lots of people are finding that their brokers have no shares available to short.
eom.
SCOX was tanking hard today. Down over 24%. Then out of blue this PR was issued, and sco partially recovered to close down about 14%.
Still, miraculous timing.
Worked for Enron.
There have been many unsubstantiated and inflamatory statements made recently in an attempt, we believe, primarily to slow the inevitable acceptance of Linux. Linux is a disruptive technology, troubling to many, puzzling to some, potentially freeing to all. With every disruptive technology, there will be those who fight to maintain the status quo, fight to hold on to a losing proposition.
a se s/archive03/sco_redhat.html
SCO has already been halted in Germany and we applaud Red Hat's actions to help end their activities in the US -- and beyond.
We applaud their efforts to restrict the rhetoric of the SCO group -- and the FUD they are trying to instill -- and will determine quickly what actions SuSE can take to support Red Hat in their efforts.
We call on SCO to stop the fear, uncertainty and doubt and join with the rest of the IT community in building Linux into the next quantum advance in technology.
http://www.suse.com/us/company/press/press_rele
From the teleconference:
"Reality is IBM and RH painted a Linux liability target on the backs of their customers. And due to their actions we have no choice but to fight the battle against end users."
I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions..
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This from a company who's only possible sources of income are related to suing, or threatening to sue everybody.
I must say that your decision to file legal action does not seem conducive to the long-term survivability of Linux
This from the company that has been bashing Linux non-stop for months now, and who plans to eliminate Linux as it now known.
Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy
Gosh, I thought Darl hated all that nasty litigation. Conspiracy? Sort of like Microsoft and Sun secretly funding Scox's anti-linux FUD campaign? Or Sco's actions being dictated by Canopy Group?
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030804/lam110_1.htm
>>I am also disappointed that you have chosen litigation rather than good faith discussions...
This from a company who's only possible sources of income are related to suing, or threatening to sue everybody.
>>I must say that your decision to file legal action does not seem conducive to the long-term survivability of Linux
This from the company that has been bashing Linux non-stop for months now, and who plans to eliminate Linux as it now known.
>>Be advised that our response will likely include counterclaims for copyright infringement and conspiracy
Gosh, I thought Darl hated all that nasty litigation. Conspiracy? Sort of like Microsoft and Sun secretly funding Scox's anti-linux FUD campaign? Or Sco's actions being dictated by Canopy Group?
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030804/lam110_1.html
Also worth noting the book values:
RHAT about $350 million.
SCOX about $15 million.
Check out page 2, paragraphs 4 and 5:
http://lwn.net/images/ns/rh-complaint.pdf
It is rare that somebody can write science book that are actually enjoyable to read. I found these two books excellent.
Please do bear in mind that most of these options where given to the execs in february - just before the scam lawsuit was filed. At the time scox was selling for about $2 a share, but the options were offered at just $0.001 each.
http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/224331 1
Idiots, dummies, what's the differnce.
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The lawsuit against IBM doesn't even start until April 2005. Lawsuit will take years. FUD money from sunw and msft will be gone by 2003. Sales at SCO are going from abysmal to worse. SCO has been *gushing* red ink since day one.
So what is scox going to do to pay the bills? I suppose scox can become a shell company, and exist only for the one-in-a-million chance that IBM will settle or something.
Makes me wonder how scox will get 15% of the market for web-tools, considering scox can't afford R&D. Even if scox could afford R&D, nobody would buy from scox.
Wow, what a bright future. No wonder SCO shares have gone from under $1 a share to over $13 a share.
This linux box on my home network gets along with the windows boxes, better than the windows boxes get along with each other.
I find networking between windows and linux faster and easier. internet conection sharing is also easier.
I don't use linux as a desktop much, because it doesn't support my hardware (win-modem or dsl modem) and it run my applications (ms-project), and it doesn't work with my buzme service.
I disaprove of MSFT business practices as much as anybody. But I am in awe of msft's financial success.
Can anybody name as very successful company that has never made any big mistakes?
1. A+ certification may not be a bad idea. Idiotic as it may be, this "proves" you know how to work on PCs. Some computer vendors may actually void a warrenty if a PC isn't worked on by an A+ certified tech.
2. Have contracts. Doesn't need to be anything especially fancy, but have something to protect yourself. Often you can get legal forms from those "home attorny" software packages.
3. I would advertise in the phonebook, not newspapers. Quick, you have a computer issue, do you look through that old pile of newspapers?
4. Use name brand hardware only. No CompUSA rebate specials. In the likely event that something doesn't work with that special deal hardware, you could spend ten times as long. Forget about tech support, forget about taking it back.
5. Backup. Don't do anything you can't back out of. Don't forget that some users like hide important files - don't assume everything is in my documents. Don't assume users have installation cds for their software apps.
6. Very often the fastest way to fix a PC, is to back up what you can. Format the drive and re-install everything.
7. Bring as many tools as you can. It seems like the one thing you leave behind is always what you need.
That's about all I can think of right now. Can anybody else think of anything?
It only takes a minute. If enough people complain, somebody may take notice. I am including web-sites and a sample letter.
G _C ODE=PU01s ubject=COM MENT
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_OR
http://naag.org/naag/feedback_form.php?
http://www.usdoj.gov/contact-us.html
As the representative of a small business. I am writing to file a complaint regarding the actions of the SCO Group.
SCO is making unspecific and unsubstantiated claims that it owns copyright pertaining to the Linux operating system. SCO is threatening legal action against anybody who uses Linux. SCO has stated that the only way anybody can avoid legal
action from SCO, is to purchase SCO's UnixWare product.
In deference to anything SCO may be claiming: SCO does not own Linux, nor does SCO have any special rights to Linux. Linux is protected by the General Public License (GPL). SCO has no more rights to tell people they can't use Linux, than SCO has to tell people they can't use MS-Windows.
Would you please investigate the claims that SCO is making so that small businesses and other companies are not pressured into making unwarranted payments.
Contact information for the SCO Group:
The SCO Group
355 South 520 West, Suite 100
Lindon, Utah 84042
801.765.4999 phone
801.765.1313 fax
>>only a foolish manager would put a company at risk by deploying Linux
.
I guess I'm foolish, in your opinion. I not only use linux I called and emailed scox are dared them to sue me.
To me the idea that anybody for one second could take SCO seriously is astonishing. Think about it, scox decides to sue me, there we are in court:
me: scox has absolutely no legal basis to assert their claim.
scox: uhhm . . well . . . err . . . ah . .
That is what I'm doing. I tried to send an email to legal@sco.com, but it bounced. So, I'll have to call their legal dept. and say: "According to you, I am using Linux illegally. I am not going to buy UnixWare. What are you going to do about it?"
What do you think they'll do?