Something I read on yahoo message board. ---- Specifically quoted from their FORM 8-A/A SEC filing. Last sentence of page 3 in the Bylaws section:
"The Bylaws also provide that the Company will indemnify officers and directors against losses that they may incur in investigations and legal proceedings resulting from their services to the Company,"
So as far as I can tell the Company could care less whether or not what they did was legal or ethical.
scox claims ownership to *BSD, just the same as linux. according to scox, both works are derived from unix, and scox owns unix. therefore, according to scox, linux and bsd users owe royalties to scox.
>>He is hoping to make the name "Linux" synonymous with phrases like "infringing copyrights" and "illegal".
Not surprisingly, scox's ceo darl mcbride, constantly compares linux to napster. Darl compares anybody who uses linux to the copyright music theives. Paying royalties to mcbride for linux, is just like closing napster - according to mcbride.
>>If mathematicans aren't really interested in helping understand the world, why should society fund them?
1) It's cheap. Much cheaper than other sciences. No linear accelerators or anything. I think this is why the USSR was so big into math.
2) You never know when some seemingly pointless discovery, actually becomes practical. Nash didn't know his game theory work would ever become so widely used. Ancient Greeks didn't know their work would every become practical.
>>It is indeed a scam intended to raise SCO's ratings on the stock market. A scam that relies on day traders and the usual absolute cluelessness of analysts in general.
A scam that is working like all hell, I might add. scox share price up 500% since the law suit began. Insiders selling all they can.
If you take a look at news.google.com, enter "sco" you will notice old "news" being recycled over and over. If insiders can keep this up for just a few months more, the insiders can unload all of their shares at a *huge* profit.
Don't forget: insiders gave themselves boatloads of option for $0.001 each just before they filed the lawsuit.
From my exerience, Knoppix 3.2 doesn't install nearly as easily as Mandrake 9.0. Not by a long shot.
First, I don't speak German, that is the first big obsticle I have to get around with Knoppix. Second, Koppix was not able to instaill a gui, mandrake had no trouble with the same system. Third, Knoppix does have mandrake's nice disk partitioning utility.
Mandrake has it's problem also. RPM dependency hell sucks.
It should also be noted that once caldera was finished with the lawsuit, drdos was thrown on the scrap heap. doesn't seem caldera actually had any interest in developing or marketing the product that they bought.
maybe canopy/caldera/sco just goes around buying IP, and suing everybody hoping somebody would rather settle than fight a lawsuit?
Don't buy now. The time to buy was a few months ago when SCOX was under $3 a share. SCOX hit a high of $11.95 about two weeks ago and has bouncing around $10 a share since.
>>but I can't imagine they'd try to bluff IBM, let alone the raging Linux community.
Why not? SCO is going BR anyway. SCO has everything to win and nothing to lose by filing this lawsuit. At the very least, SCO sent their stock price from $2 to $10. Insiders are still selling like mad.
IBM, on the other hand, has a lot to lose if SCO has a case. If SCO had any case at all, it would have been best for IBM to settle as quickly and quietly as possible.
There is no way IBM would want this to court if there was any chance of SCO winning.
How does auditing AIX users protect scox's IP? Especially since this IP is supposed to be in Linux. What if AIX users don't cooperate, it's not as if scox has a court order or anything.
SCO received $8.5 million in FUD money. That brings their book value to about $10 million. SCO has never been profitable and has no competitive products. Yet, this recently formed, essentially worthless, company seems to consider their own power to almost limitless.
SCO apparently believes that they have absolute rights over all software technology developed in the last 30 years - if not more: SMP, NUMA, RCU, JFS, LVM, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, maybe even MacOS and MS-Windows.
We poor pitiful peons can hope that the all-powerful Darl McBride will be kind enough to allow us to continue to use our present OS. We must recognize that is entirely up to him.
Recently the all-powerful lord and master Darl, has deemed that we may continue the Caldera Linux for which we have already paid.
I suppose we should all fall on knees, clasp our hands, bow our heads, and while sobbing uncontrollably, thank and praise our lord and god - the kind and powerful Darl. While trembling at his feet, we should bless the great and Darl for allowing us to use the Caldera Linux that we have paid for.
SCO screams and cries about everybody stealing from them. At the same time, SCO is attempting to profit from IP which they did not contribute to, nor did they buy. SCO is trying to profit from the donations of thousands of volunteers.
SCO's claims are not based on any sense of justice. Rather SCOâ(TM)s claims are based on what SCO thinks is a legal technicality.
And SCO has the nerve to call the open-source community "thieves" ?
Another way scox wins is stock price. scox's stock price has gone from $2 to $10.75 during this lawsuit. This from a company that has never been profitable, and has a book value of $0.67/share.
By the way insiders are selling like mad.
won't scox be bankrupt before case is over?
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SCOX has $10 million in cash, and they lose at least $25 million every year. This case will take at least three years.
scox has $10 million in cashes and loses at least $25 million a year. These IP cases usually take at least three years, but it looks to me as if this one will take much longer.
It looks to me like there is only one way that scox to survive until the lawsuit is settled, and that is if scox gets more fud money from sunw and/or msft.
>>If Sun is the other mystery Licensee, why do you assume it is to take a stab at Linux?>Does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy against Linux?
So you don't think this scox case has anything to do with linux? 1500 letters were sent out, warning people not to use linux, what do you make of that?
1) The only people in this world who consider IBM's UNIX licence revoked are the people at scox. IBM doesn't think so, IBM costomers don't think so, and - most importantly - the courts don't think so. This is just another SCO PR stunt.
2) SCOX has never made a profit. SCOX has been losing money and market share from day one. Now, SCOX's situation is *much* worse. Nobody can ever trust SCOX again ever. SCOX has nothing to sell that anybody wants. Most importantly, it is entirely obvious that there will be no quick settlement. This lawsuit will drag on for years, SCOX will bankrupt before the lawsuit is settled.
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Something I read on yahoo message board.
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Specifically quoted from their FORM 8-A/A SEC filing. Last sentence of page 3 in the Bylaws section:
"The Bylaws also provide that the Company will indemnify officers and directors against losses that they may incur in investigations and legal proceedings resulting from their services to the Company,"
So as far as I can tell the Company could care less whether or not what they did was legal or ethical.
>>Uh. It's not as if *BSD is dying or something
scox claims ownership to *BSD, just the same as linux. according to scox, both works are derived from unix, and scox owns unix. therefore, according to scox, linux and bsd users owe royalties to scox.
>>He is hoping to make the name "Linux" synonymous with phrases like "infringing copyrights" and "illegal".
Not surprisingly, scox's ceo darl mcbride, constantly compares linux to napster. Darl compares anybody who uses linux to the copyright music theives. Paying royalties to mcbride for linux, is just like closing napster - according to mcbride.
>>If mathematicans aren't really interested in helping understand the world, why should society fund them?
1) It's cheap. Much cheaper than other sciences. No linear accelerators or anything. I think this is why the USSR was so big into math.
2) You never know when some seemingly pointless discovery, actually becomes practical. Nash didn't know his game theory work would ever become so widely used. Ancient Greeks didn't know their work would every become practical.
>>It is indeed a scam intended to raise SCO's ratings on the stock market. A scam that relies on day traders and the usual absolute cluelessness of analysts in general.
A scam that is working like all hell, I might add. scox share price up 500% since the law suit began. Insiders selling all they can.
If you take a look at news.google.com, enter "sco" you will notice old "news" being recycled over and over. If insiders can keep this up for just a few months more, the insiders can unload all of their shares at a *huge* profit.
Don't forget: insiders gave themselves boatloads of option for $0.001 each just before they filed the lawsuit.
From my exerience, Knoppix 3.2 doesn't install nearly as easily as Mandrake 9.0. Not by a long shot.
First, I don't speak German, that is the first big obsticle I have to get around with Knoppix. Second, Koppix was not able to instaill a gui, mandrake had no trouble with the same system. Third, Knoppix does have mandrake's nice disk partitioning utility.
Mandrake has it's problem also. RPM dependency hell sucks.
>>There is something severely wrong about financially crippling somebody for life..
I take it you're not familiar with divorce settlements?
>>It also was, on virtually any hardware, one of *the* slowest operating systems I've had the misfortune to use.
NT4 runs just fine on a 120mhz pentium, with 32mb or RAM. Try Win2K or XP on the same hardware. Or for that matter try RedHat 9.0 with Gnome.
Now, what were you saying?
It should also be noted that once caldera was finished with the lawsuit, drdos was thrown on the scrap heap. doesn't seem caldera actually had any interest in developing or marketing the product that they bought.
maybe canopy/caldera/sco just goes around buying IP, and suing everybody hoping somebody would rather settle than fight a lawsuit?
caldera hasn't really done much for unix either.
Don't buy now. The time to buy was a few months ago when SCOX was under $3 a share. SCOX hit a high of $11.95 about two weeks ago and has bouncing around $10 a share since.
Buy now, and you're buying at the top.
>>but I can't imagine they'd try to bluff IBM, let alone the raging Linux community.
Why not? SCO is going BR anyway. SCO has everything to win and nothing to lose by filing this lawsuit. At the very least, SCO sent their stock price from $2 to $10. Insiders are still selling like mad.
IBM, on the other hand, has a lot to lose if SCO has a case. If SCO had any case at all, it would have been best for IBM to settle as quickly and quietly as possible.
There is no way IBM would want this to court if there was any chance of SCO winning.
How does auditing AIX users protect scox's IP? Especially since this IP is supposed to be in Linux. What if AIX users don't cooperate, it's not as if scox has a court order or anything.
And what will scox be looking to find?
SCO received $8.5 million in FUD money. That brings their book value to about $10 million. SCO has never been profitable and has no competitive products. Yet, this recently formed, essentially worthless, company seems to consider their own power to almost limitless.
SCO apparently believes that they have absolute rights over all software technology developed in the last 30 years - if not more: SMP, NUMA, RCU, JFS, LVM, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, maybe even MacOS and MS-Windows.
We poor pitiful peons can hope that the all-powerful Darl McBride will be kind enough to allow us to continue to use our present OS. We must recognize that is entirely up to him.
Recently the all-powerful lord and master Darl, has deemed that we may continue the Caldera Linux for which we have already paid.
I suppose we should all fall on knees, clasp our hands, bow our heads, and while sobbing uncontrollably, thank and praise our lord and god - the kind and powerful Darl. While trembling at his feet, we should bless the great and Darl for allowing us to use the Caldera Linux that we have paid for.
SCO screams and cries about everybody stealing from them. At the same time, SCO is attempting to profit from IP which they did not contribute to, nor did they buy. SCO is trying to profit from the donations of thousands of volunteers.
SCO's claims are not based on any sense of justice. Rather SCOâ(TM)s claims are based on what SCO thinks is a legal technicality.
And SCO has the nerve to call the open-source community "thieves" ?
Another way scox wins is stock price. scox's stock price has gone from $2 to $10.75 during this lawsuit. This from a company that has never been profitable, and has a book value of $0.67/share.
By the way insiders are selling like mad.
SCOX has $10 million in cash, and they lose at least $25 million every year. This case will take at least three years.
That seems odd. I thought IBM was the great defender of the GPL. What with the IBM Linux servers, and SCOX vs IBM case, and all.
>these guys are professional litigious bastards
>>Thanks for the libel, we were wondering who we were going to sue today. See you in court!
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Liable? Are you kidding? I have no doubt that canopy group considers the original comment to be the highest compliment.
scox has $10 million in cashes and loses at least $25 million a year. These IP cases usually take at least three years, but it looks to me as if this one will take much longer.
It looks to me like there is only one way that scox to survive until the lawsuit is settled, and that is if scox gets more fud money from sunw and/or msft.
opinions?
btw: scox insiders are still selling.
>>If Sun is the other mystery Licensee, why do you assume it is to take a stab at Linux?>Does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy against Linux?
So you don't think this scox case has anything to do with linux? 1500 letters were sent out, warning people not to use linux, what do you make of that?
I know that on /. it's always fashionable to bash msft. but the truth is that sunw has more to win from this than msft.
- sun hope to convert aix users to solaris.
- linux and freebsd hurt sun more than msft.
>>We had about four big vendors in the last quarter that we talked with.
Why assume they are all UNIX vendors? My quess is the two cooperative vendors are msft and sunw.
sunw has even more to gain from this than msft.
- sunw hopes companies will leave aix in favor of solaris.
- presently linux and freebsd are hurting sunw much more than msft.
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Dr. Evil: "C'mon, Mr. President, show me the money."
Scott: "You're a moron."
1) The only people in this world who consider IBM's UNIX licence revoked are the people at scox. IBM doesn't think so, IBM costomers don't think so, and - most importantly - the courts don't think so. This is just another SCO PR stunt.
2) SCOX has never made a profit. SCOX has been losing money and market share from day one. Now, SCOX's situation is *much* worse. Nobody can ever trust SCOX again ever. SCOX has nothing to sell that anybody wants. Most importantly, it is entirely obvious that there will be no quick settlement. This lawsuit will drag on for years, SCOX will bankrupt before the lawsuit is settled.
You may also notice that top execs gave themselves a generous load of in Jan. One month after SCOX said they "began to find problems."