www.dhorrocks2003.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/waste 3 million plus (2.7million unique) downloads of waste from here so far, just goes to show how good justin is...
Also, $10 per machine * 10,000 machines = $100,000. Not exactly chump change, especially when you consider Sun's revenues these days.
think of it this way: they're getting, at a minimum, say $2000 when selling these machines in bulk to schools and such. to make back that $100,000 dollars the would only need to sell an extra 50 PCs. to make a moderate amount of extra profit, say, sell another 100. now offering a higher quality machine can easily boost sales by 1% if it's the same price.
well, this way they don't have to commit to a huge production of the product before they're assured that:
A. the product is actually going to sell B. the product isn't going to require a major recall.
if they produced 10,000 of these, distributed them to 39 countries, then found out that they have to recall them, replace them all, and have a PR nightmare, they're easily going to be out whatever extra they made from the mass distribution.
although I run gentoo, I see NO REASON to use gentoo's emerge system with the kernel source. learn to use bzcat and patch and you can halve the time a kernel install takes.
as for the forcedeth drivers, it has been my experience that they work quite well (test10-mm1ish, possibly earlier)
one thing people forget to mention is that this wasn't JUST a gentoo mirror. They havn't disclosed what else the server was used for. There is an announcement on the gentoo forums about it.
HERE
maybe the first posting of the article is actually just a time traveler coming back in time to fuck with us, posting the same article twice, but only in his refernce, he's posting the one we see first second.
it's not necessarily obsolete, it's just been decided that it needs to be reworked as more of a userspace utility rather than kernel space for it to be effective. it's like rewriting a part of the kernel to add more efficient things to it, but never providing any way to take advantage of it. I know, I know, you'll mention devfsd, but all that does is handly making the device nodes that devfs tells it to make, it doesn't really do any device discovery.
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ps, that may or may not be 100% accurate. I read LKML, in fact, a good 90% of the posts, so I can't remember every detail of every post.
I'm going out on a limb here, but if I were setting up another server running linux, I'd at least make sure that all the hardware I'm using is properly supported under linux. There aren't going to be many servers requiring this, I'm guessing. Sure, you can mention print servers, but most schools and companies are now willing to spring for a ps or ip available printer.
you make a valid point. I mearly posted what came to mind when I read of the topic. I've never had the urge to do a ask slashdot, but I know there have been lots of times that I've wished I had google available to me when I don't.
I mean, by the time the poster will have succesfully sorted through all tho flames and useless jokes, they could have just as easily used google, tried 9 or 10 things, and based the solution on their own preferences. No need for this.
I've used 3 before using xfce4/cvs and xfree 4.(2/3? can't remember) and the hardest part was getting the/etc/X11/XF86Config file right to make everything happy. Once I got that working, I had a complaint that overlays/opengl don't behave due to my graphics card (damn you matrox) but everything else was happy.
because the water massively outweighs the dust and other solid materials in the cloud(excluding ice, since ice is only slightly less dense than water, and even that is arguable), and the fact that the inaccuracy of the measurement of the water in a cloud would eliminate any increased accuracy you'd have from considering other parts.
well, yeah, sort of. you have to SET the optimizations. so if you set -mcpu=i486, you won't run into problems. if you set -march=athlon-xp, you might run into problems.
I've met a few, although they usually go by public defenders. They start out 'for the good of society' but after defending the 7th 14 year old who shot his mama cuz she wouldn't buy him some new pumas, they quickly turn to alcohol and depression.
well, it might not sound different, but if you compare any of those oggs to a fresh rip at q1, your fresh rip will be around the same size and sound better.
actually, all you need to do is use the host environment (pre-chroot) to DL the patches, and then:
emerge development-sources cd/usr/src/linux-beta bzcat/path/to/patch.bz2 | patch -p1 --dry-run [check to see if all went well] bzcat/path/to/patch.bz2 | patch -p1
and follow your normal make system.
and on kernel compiling, I like the new 'make help' or 'make all' and then 'make modules-install' system.
I just booted into 2.5.74-mm1 and the only problem I've had since.69 was the FREE_TLB_ALL error you run into if you compiled DRI stuff as modules due to somone forgetting to export a symbol. -mm1 fixes that (although I had been hand patching it before) and all is well. also, 2.5.74-mm1 seems to fix the skipping sound in X on heavy disk i/o problem.
How temperature affects the properties of a material are intrinsic to the material. Examples: Water becomes more rigid when you freeze it. Silly Puddy becomes hard when you freeze it. But with plastics, yes they generally lose their ability to bend without breaking. It raises their resistance to change, which raises the stress in the material at a given amount of bending. That leads to it breaking.
Slashdot Mirror
however, if konqueror could display pages as well as firefox/mozilla, i would probably switch to that as it seems faster.
;)
have you ever considered that the fact that konq DOESN'T render pages like firezilla is the reason that it's faster?
perhaps you should start using links/lynx
No, we slash the freakin' tires.
sounds like a hack of a solution with the same effect....
or maybe the color green.
ok, blatantly off topic here... I know, prepare the onslaught of offtopic mods.......
the transgaming site always reminds me of the x-box for some reason, and you're color green comment reminded me of that.
crap, I was supposed to be writing a patch for MS today.....
www.dhorrocks2003.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/waste 3 million plus (2.7million unique) downloads of waste from here so far, just goes to show how good justin is...
P
Also, $10 per machine * 10,000 machines = $100,000. Not exactly chump change, especially when you consider Sun's revenues these days.
think of it this way: they're getting, at a minimum, say $2000 when selling these machines in bulk to schools and such. to make back that $100,000 dollars the would only need to sell an extra 50 PCs. to make a moderate amount of extra profit, say, sell another 100. now offering a higher quality machine can easily boost sales by 1% if it's the same price.
well, this way they don't have to commit to a huge production of the product before they're assured that:
A. the product is actually going to sell
B. the product isn't going to require a major recall.
if they produced 10,000 of these, distributed them to 39 countries, then found out that they have to recall them, replace them all, and have a PR nightmare, they're easily going to be out whatever extra they made from the mass distribution.
although I run gentoo, I see NO REASON to use gentoo's emerge system with the kernel source. learn to use bzcat and patch and you can halve the time a kernel install takes.
as for the forcedeth drivers, it has been my experience that they work quite well (test10-mm1ish, possibly earlier)
R
one thing people forget to mention is that this wasn't JUST a gentoo mirror. They havn't disclosed what else the server was used for. There is an announcement on the gentoo forums about it. HERE
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maybe the first posting of the article is actually just a time traveler coming back in time to fuck with us, posting the same article twice, but only in his refernce, he's posting the one we see first second.
or not.
p
it's not necessarily obsolete, it's just been decided that it needs to be reworked as more of a userspace utility rather than kernel space for it to be effective. it's like rewriting a part of the kernel to add more efficient things to it, but never providing any way to take advantage of it. I know, I know, you'll mention devfsd, but all that does is handly making the device nodes that devfs tells it to make, it doesn't really do any device discovery.
P
ps, that may or may not be 100% accurate. I read LKML, in fact, a good 90% of the posts, so I can't remember every detail of every post.
I'm going out on a limb here, but if I were setting up another server running linux, I'd at least make sure that all the hardware I'm using is properly supported under linux. There aren't going to be many servers requiring this, I'm guessing. Sure, you can mention print servers, but most schools and companies are now willing to spring for a ps or ip available printer.
P
you make a valid point. I mearly posted what came to mind when I read of the topic. I've never had the urge to do a ask slashdot, but I know there have been lots of times that I've wished I had google available to me when I don't.
P
I mean, by the time the poster will have succesfully sorted through all tho flames and useless jokes, they could have just as easily used google, tried 9 or 10 things, and based the solution on their own preferences. No need for this.
P
I've used 3 before using xfce4/cvs and xfree 4.(2/3? can't remember) and the hardest part was getting the /etc/X11/XF86Config file right to make everything happy. Once I got that working, I had a complaint that overlays/opengl don't behave due to my graphics card (damn you matrox) but everything else was happy.
s0be
because the water massively outweighs the dust and other solid materials in the cloud(excluding ice, since ice is only slightly less dense than water, and even that is arguable), and the fact that the inaccuracy of the measurement of the water in a cloud would eliminate any increased accuracy you'd have from considering other parts.
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does somone have a torrent of the site with the torrent on it? I seem to be having troubles connecting.
Pat
well, yeah, sort of. you have to SET the optimizations. so if you set -mcpu=i486, you won't run into problems. if you set -march=athlon-xp, you might run into problems.
Pat
I believe it was 4 or 8 K, although quite possibly smaller.
Pat
I've met a few, although they usually go by public defenders. They start out 'for the good of society' but after defending the 7th 14 year old who shot his mama cuz she wouldn't buy him some new pumas, they quickly turn to alcohol and depression.
Pat
well, it might not sound different, but if you compare any of those oggs to a fresh rip at q1, your fresh rip will be around the same size and sound better.
P
actually, all you need to do is use the host environment (pre-chroot) to DL the patches, and then:
/usr/src/linux-beta /path/to/patch.bz2 | patch -p1 --dry-run /path/to/patch.bz2 | patch -p1
emerge development-sources
cd
bzcat
[check to see if all went well]
bzcat
and follow your normal make system.
and on kernel compiling, I like the new 'make help' or 'make all' and then 'make modules-install' system.
Pat
I just booted into 2.5.74-mm1 and the only problem I've had since .69 was the FREE_TLB_ALL error you run into if you compiled DRI stuff as modules due to somone forgetting to export a symbol. -mm1 fixes that (although I had been hand patching it before) and all is well. also, 2.5.74-mm1 seems to fix the skipping sound in X on heavy disk i/o problem.
pat
nor has it meen mentioned on lkml
pat
How temperature affects the properties of a material are intrinsic to the material. Examples: Water becomes more rigid when you freeze it. Silly Puddy becomes hard when you freeze it. But with plastics, yes they generally lose their ability to bend without breaking. It raises their resistance to change, which raises the stress in the material at a given amount of bending. That leads to it breaking.
P