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Investigating Angular Velocity

mbreitba writes "Sam Barros is at it again, Some may know him for his Railgun research, and some may know him for his homemade cannons. But now he's found a use for all those old CD's you don't need anymore. Personally, I couldn't think of a better use for them."

271 comments

  1. they've been lying to us by gfody · · Score: 5, Funny

    52x isn't the max its 172x!
    I don't care if the cd could come out of my burner fly across the room and explode into a billion pieces, I wanna 172x burner!

    seriously though, why do they only try to spin the cd faster. why not spin the laser in the opposite direction the cd is spinning in?

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    1. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spin the laser in a tiny amount of space. Think about what the R&D on that shit would cost.

    2. Re:they've been lying to us by Cryptnotic · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about multiple lasers, each reading/writing simultaneously?

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    3. Re:they've been lying to us by gfody · · Score: 3, Interesting

      if they bounced the laser off a tiny mirror couldn't you use a stationary laser and just spin the mirror? I know nothing about making cd burners but it seems like instead of trying to think outside the box and workaround the physical limitations of spinning a cd they just all decided to make 48x the standard max and give up!

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    4. Re:they've been lying to us by moroderzone · · Score: 1

      I think that a spinning laser would rip apart a lot easier than than the cd. But along those lines. Why don't they put more than one laser on the cd. I know they put bundles of lasers to improve the reading of data at high speeds, but I am refering to having lasers reading seperate tracks in parallel. Then you wouldn't need to spin the cd so fast. Also you could improve seek time. Kinda like RAID...

    5. Re:they've been lying to us by BJH · · Score: 5, Informative

      Already been done. The first 52X CD-ROM drives (from Kenwood, as I recall) used multiple read heads to get 52X equivalent speed.

    6. Re:they've been lying to us by bn557 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      well, the task would then be to retrieve the bounced laser image. it's non trivial to have a sensor at every spot that the laser could bounce on. also, it'd have to dynamically change the focal length on the fly in order to prevent jitter.

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    7. Re:they've been lying to us by inaeldi · · Score: 4, Insightful
      why not spin the laser in the opposite direction the cd is spinning in

      Too expensive, and for what? Is a CD burned in 3 minutes not fast enough for you? Would you be willing to pay 4x as much to burn a CD in only 1.5 minutes?

    8. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Been done.

      TrueX technology, I belive they called it.

      It used 7 lasers instead of one.
      Kenwood had used this, but discontinued.

      too bad. Heard they were quiet (pun intended)

    9. Re:they've been lying to us by gfody · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Is a CD burned in 3 minutes not fast enough for you?

      hell no its not fast enough.. if I wanted to make a backup of my cd collection at 3 minutes a disc it would take me a week! I dont know about paying 4x as much for 1.4 minutes but let the market decide that one.. don't decide 3 minutes should be fast enough for everybody. If there was a burner that could burn a cd in 5 seconds I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to pay a premium for it

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    10. Re:they've been lying to us by kinnell · · Score: 2, Funny
      seriously though, why do they only try to spin the cd faster. why not spin the laser in the opposite direction the cd is spinning in?

      You mean something like this?

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    11. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "why not spin the laser in the opposite direction the cd is spinning in?"

      because that would be stupid, as you have just proven....

      You Smell.

    12. Re:they've been lying to us by qqtortqq · · Score: 4, Funny

      Make the whole computer spin, and leave the cd stationary.

    13. Re:they've been lying to us by inaeldi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So just buy another CD burner and burn 2 CDs at once. If you want to go really heavy duty, get a rack of 8 SCSI burners or something. It'd probably still be cheaper and more economical than a spinning laser that has to automatically re-focus every microsecond (or whatever).

    14. Re:they've been lying to us by Gordonjcp · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can't actually read or write at 48x speed anyway, except with a perfectly flawless disc (no tiny, near-invisible scratches, absolutely centered and balanced, no thickness or density variations) anyway. And if you could, the data rate would be starting to push the limit of what IDE can do (or indeed SCSI).

    15. Re:they've been lying to us by gfody · · Score: 2, Interesting

      why so content on waiting 3 minutes for a cd to burn? do you use a 486 cpu that takes 3 minutes to start your aol too? is it not cost-effective to upgrade to a faster cpu, you would rather have two 486's each take 3 minutes to load 2 aols?

      seriously, sometimes you can split the task into parallel tasks and use multiple units to scale horizontally but in the end it still takes 3 minutes to burn a cd! 3 minutes is a long time when your in a hurry. also, if it takes a scsi tower with 32 burners at 48x to burn 1000 cds in a day theres going to be a cutoff where its more cost effective to use one super expensive fast burner.

      making a faster burner is not a bad thing, dont argue for the sake or arguing. how would you feel if intel and amd decided 3ghz is the limit deal with it?

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    16. Re:they've been lying to us by inaeldi · · Score: 2, Informative
      If they could figure out a way to burn CDs faster and at the same time do it cost effectively, then that'd be fine. Your parallel to CPUs is faulty. CPUs are not limited by a physical impossibility (that we've reached yet anyways). Making a faster CD burner isn't just a matter of finding ways to cram more and more transisitors in.

      ...I don't use AOL.

    17. Re:they've been lying to us by shogun · · Score: 1

      Hmm how about a small spinning/moving lens+prism with a fixed laser and disc. Much less moving parts, you just need to make that focusing device ultra tough and fast and everything else can sit there without experiencing much stress...

    18. Re:they've been lying to us by gfody · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ok, since your feeble mind can't seem to come up with a situation where the actual burn speed IS the bottleneck of the entire making-a-cd task.

      I have a .iso on my desktop that I want to burn.

      I want to make more than one copy of a cd.. maybe I want to make 100 copies?

      I want to just fill a cd with some files off my computer and I dont feel like waiting.

      Have you ever tried copying 650 MB worth of data from one hard drive to another? This itself will probably take a few minutes.
      we're not all using eide fujitsus

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    19. Re:they've been lying to us by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      I think I paid 4x as much for my 2400 baud modem then my 1200 baud modem. I was using an 8-bit computer at the time, so my average transfer time was 3min under 1200 baud, and 1.5min under 2400 baud.

      Besides, 4x as much is pretty much the diffrence between a $50 CD-r and a $200 CD-r... what I get for the ide units on www.pricewatch.com and based on shopping at office depot.

      If you honestly could build a CD drive that employed the use... to make things simple here.. a stationary disk and a spinning laser reader / writer for about the $200, i'm sure you'll find a market for it. Keep the media low cost, but the drive would be a bit costly.

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    20. Re:they've been lying to us by inaeldi · · Score: 1

      Well, ok, I'd probably buy it for $200. I was just pulling numbers out of my ass.

    21. Re:they've been lying to us by commodoresloat · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, no, no; then your computer will be unusable while you use the CD. Instead leave the cd stationary but make the rest of the universe spin. The computer will still be spinning, of course, but since you'll be spinning too, you can still get your work done.

    22. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no reason to speed up the writing of a single cd beyond what we have today. The preparation time for a single write is longer than the actual writing itself. If you are going to do mass-writing, buy more cd-writers. If you're craving for speed, look into new technologies instead of beating a dead horse. CDs have reached physical limits which can't be overcome without either changing the medium specs or throwing insane amounts of money at the problem.

    23. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever tried copying 650 MB worth of data from one hard drive to another? This itself will probably take a few minutes.

      Even the cheapest harddisks transfer about 20 MB/s in their slowest zone these days, which means that a 650 MB copy from disk to disk (not from one partition to another partition on the same drive) takes no more than half a minute.

    24. Re:they've been lying to us by Atrahasis · · Score: 1

      Thats how ultra high speed CD drives have been working for years. You can only use them one at a time though - thats why the gubment have suppressed their existance (along with all the documents pertaining to the conspiracy that resulted in Salt and Vinegar crisps (chips) changing to green packets).

    25. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Time to buy that VESA localbus IDE controller you've been saving up for. (48*150kB/s=7.2MB/s)

    26. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      There are no separate tracks on a cd. It's one long track in a spiral. Raw CD-Rs aren't formatted, so it would be almost impossible to seamlessly combine the work of several write lasers. Plus you'd start to see thermal problems. The process is called "burning a CD" for a reason.

    27. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I seem short sighted, it is because I stand on the shoulders of midgets

      Nice one :)

    28. Re:they've been lying to us by fshalor · · Score: 1

      And able to sustain the impacts of shards deflected off the shoddyly manufactured cheap disks as the shatter in your drive...I've had lables come off at regular speeds. (j would second this.) PNY media NEVER goes in my drives anymore.

      Actually, now we have something to do with all the frisbies and AOL cd's/cup coasters we've been saving over the years, dont we.

      I'll bring over my dremel this weekend. :)

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    29. Re:they've been lying to us by akpcep · · Score: 1

      That's some trick!

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    30. Re:they've been lying to us by inaeldi · · Score: 1

      Indeed it is. I'd rather not show you how I do it though.

    31. Re:they've been lying to us by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Similar thing is being developed in the "holographic memory". You don't spin the laser, just a tiny mirror that can turn VERY fast and move up/down at "reasonable" speeds. The media is not a disc, but a drum though (actually: A roll of duch tape), it stores 1TB of data and doesn't move in the process. The mirror is located in the middle and focusing the laser makes it possible to read/write any point of the media volume, not just the surface.

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    32. Re:they've been lying to us by uhhhhhhh · · Score: 0

      I would think it is because the CD is rather uniform in it's weight distribution and so it is rather stable when spun up to speed. So you would need to find a way to achieve the same degree of stability for the laser while keeping it in motion. Although even if you get it as stable as the CD I think you have still doubled the chances of having a write error occur. Just an engineering problem really and as long as the product was as reliable as what I use now and not to pricey I would buy one.

    33. Re:they've been lying to us by mnmn · · Score: 1

      A far better idea is to have 4 seperately moveable heads to quad the read speed. That will also help a lot in random seeks.

      Come to think of it, its possible to have a tiny moveable mirror reflect the laser around in circles on the CD. A parabola-like reflector beneath the CD can direct the laser and the read data with only the little mirror being moveable and the CD being stationary. I think it will fit in one drive bay, and can be completely financially feasable.

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    34. Re:they've been lying to us by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > You don't spin the laser, just a tiny mirror that can turn VERY fast [...] The media is not a disc, but a drum

      That's an amazing idea. Do you know any names of companies that are working on that? Or where more information could be found?

    35. Re:they've been lying to us by agallagh42 · · Score: 1

      Audio CDs are written in a spiral, data CDs use cylindrical tracks.

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    36. Re:they've been lying to us by emilng · · Score: 2, Funny


      I think you would do it sort of like the prime number shitting bear.

    37. Re:they've been lying to us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Look it up.

    38. Re:they've been lying to us by darqchild · · Score: 2, Insightful

      currently the laser passes through a series of lesnses to focus the beam correctly, and the incident ray has no problem returning to it's point of origin through the same set of lenses

      if you design a network of spinning mirrors, there shouldn't be a problem, because the light can still travel back through the set of mirrors back to the sensor which is located next to the laser

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    39. Re:they've been lying to us by darqchild · · Score: 1

      actually they are formatted.
      There is a groove pressed in a CD-R for the laser to follow during burning.

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    40. Re:they've been lying to us by darqchild · · Score: 1

      and if you had read his comment, you would have noticed that he suggested a stationary disc.

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    41. Re:they've been lying to us by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      Two lasers == twice as fast!

      errr... well, and twice the circuitry. =(

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    42. Re:they've been lying to us by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      Those would be the TruX 7-laser CD-ROM drives. The early versions (around 40x) sucked. The next revision (48x) was great and worked as advertised. The last revision (52x and 72x) didn't work at all and TruX was ambroiled in a class action lawsuit over the drives.

      Great concept ... decent implementation at low speeds. Too bad they didn't have the R&D cash to make it work correctly at high speed.

    43. Re:they've been lying to us by shotfeel · · Score: 1

      What really surprised me is that the fastest CD players are apparently pushing 10k rpm, which is equivalent to a fast hard drive.

      So, just like the hard drive, the only way to get faster (on a single platter) is to pack more data into the same space, which is essentially where the DVD line takes us.

    44. Re:they've been lying to us by ipxodi · · Score: 1

      The other cool thing was the those drives were 48x continuous,(iirc) whereas a standard 48x CD read speed was a "burst" speed.

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    45. Re:they've been lying to us by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, that's exactly what the world would look like from the perspective of the spinning CD. :^)

    46. Re:they've been lying to us by Omestes · · Score: 1

      If your going to rewrite the workings of something, why keep CD's as your standard? If you want to COMPLETELY change the technology, why not just make a whole new form of nonmobile media, like REALLY high-density flash cards, or some other form of chip-based memory (volitile or non)?

      Why bother with the CD aspect of it? CDs (music at least) are going to go the way of the dodo soon (methinks) anyway. Ipod like Mp3 players are better for music, and DVDs really don't have much of speed problem (ain't broke), and why shouldn't software come on some form of USB drive?

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    47. Re:they've been lying to us by xtrucial · · Score: 1

      Google results 1-10 of about 65,400,000 for b. Search took 0.04 seconds.

      Oh yeah?

      Results 1 - 10 of about 2,270,000,000 [for "a"]. Search took 0.06 seconds.

    48. Re:they've been lying to us by anshil · · Score: 1

      No rotation is not relativistic.

      What we know from physics you can very well tell if you are spinning or the universe is spinning around you. (you can also determine that you are spinning while beeing in a black box, which is in contrast by speed not possible)

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    49. Re:they've been lying to us by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Try google search for "tesa-rom", that's how it's called. The "ROM" part is a bit confusing, it's "WORM" (write once read many) memory. (which with 1 terabyte cheap removable media is not a big concern. Why would you ever want to delete anything, just save new versions and "damage" entries you want to have removed...)

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    50. Re:they've been lying to us by Jon+Abbott · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying that certain physical properties of the universe could not be ascertained from the perspective of the spinning CD; I am merely saying that it would appear as if most of the rest of the universe was spinning 'round if you were sitting atop a spinning CD. No mathematical rigor here. :^)

  2. yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Copyright © 2002 by Sam Barros. All rights reserved. Removing any material from this site for display without consent from its author consists in an infringement of international copyright laws and can result in fines up to $50000 per infringement, plus legal costs. So ASK ME before you remove anything from here.

    Oops, if anybody visited the site and it was all blank, sorry, that was me after I removed his content! I'll put it right back.

    I love reading all the different ways people threaten in their copyright notices.

    But wasn't a better version of this concept posted here like last year? A guy put the CD in a real high-speed, high-torque moter (not a dremel) and watched it shatter on the spindle.

    This guy is just spinning them fast on a dremel tool and watching them shatter when they hit the ceiling, not quite as impressive!

    1. Re:yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the site? Holy crap its Arnie! Hey everybody Arnie is back!

    2. Re:yawn by krysith · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the time I was trying to make a centrifuge, and I thought it would be good to test it first by mounting a Frisbee to the motor. I was using a 1 hp Alcatel vacuum pump motor (~30,000 rpm) in a vacuum (about 1E-3 torr). The Frisbee disintegrated nearly instaneously. I was picking little pieces of purple plastic out of the vacuum chamber for the next hour.
      I decided not to build that centrifuge. Hmm, chunks of steel at 1800 km/hr... It was just a little too scary for me.

    3. Re:yawn by netsharc · · Score: 1

      So is making a mirror of the site okay? Or do you mean "copying any material for display"? Uh oh, I just downloaded it, and Opera is displaying it..

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    4. Re:yawn by Thud457 · · Score: 1
      "I decided not to build that centrifuge. Hmm, chunks of steel at 1800 km/hr... It was just a little too scary for me."

      Helpful hint: steel is a little stronger than polyethelene.

      Plus, isn't that like freshman physics to calculate the forces involved? You should have had an idea of what you where dealing with before you started.

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    5. Re:yawn by nomel · · Score: 1

      How were you going to construct/cut the metal?
      I've been wanting to make a type of a gyroscope...but I don't know how I'm gunna cut the disk...or adjust it. Any recomendations? All I've thought of is a tire balancer, like those used at auto shops. The disc would be a 12" across at the most...maybe 1/2 to 1" thick.

    6. Re:yawn by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

      This guy is just spinning them fast on a dremel tool and watching them shatter when they hit the ceiling

      Almost. While there are a number of CDs which did that, the full video shows at least two CDs which distintegrate while on the dremel tool itself. Too bad they didn't have any way to determine the rotational velocity when it shattered.

      I also wanted a laboratory-grade high-speed camera taking video of the material failure. That would have been a lot cooler than watching a CD bounce against a door.

      But that's just me.

    7. Re:yawn by krysith · · Score: 1

      Actually I was doing something kind of weird. I wanted to use the centrifuge for separating a continuously-flowing liquid, so I was trying to make the centrifuge essentially out of tubing. I was going to use welded threaded connections, as I didn't think that swageloks would really cut it. I was really worried about the balancing, and that was the primary reason I decided not to attempt it. In addition the gravity drip design (drip in the top, separated liquids fly out at different height levels) would have made balance a possibly dynamic issue (ie not fun).
      If you are just making a gyroscope, I would first take a look at what you are using it for. If you are just having fun/looking at gyroscopic effects, you don't really need high speed. A decently large inertial moment and a few rpm would do fine. Now if you are doing weird mad science stuff, I would need to know more to give any advice. But in general, if you are making a gyroscope, you want to have your mass more toward the edge. Anything big and heavy like you are describing should show decent gyroscopic motion, but be careful! 113 cu in of metal can pack a wallop!

    8. Re:yawn by butane_bob2003 · · Score: 1

      I think he is actually hitting some of them with something to get them to shatter. Um, how this article got posted I cannot fathom. He must be a friend of CmdrTaco's or something. I did enjoy the railgun stuff. Thats a little more mature.

      I tend to wrap the edges of my cds in a few (hundred) layers of fine carbon mesh to keep them from flying apart. Works for the extremely high speed flywheel guys. Can't wait till I can weave it out of carbon nanotubes. And make sure your CD reader/writer is sealed in a vacuum chamber. That helps.

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    9. Re:yawn by nomel · · Score: 1

      I just want to view gyroscopic effects...

      I want something with quite a bit of angular momentum.
      I want to do experimens like putting a small one in my rc car with different orientations, to see how it reacts...and a big one for doing crazy stuff like, attach it to a pole...put a wheel on the pole...and push myself around on one wheel (this might require one that would be very heavy).

      Mainly, I jsut wanna dick around...

      Do you know any calculations?

    10. Re:yawn by krysith · · Score: 1

      As Thud457 so kindly pointed out, this is freshman physics. It should be in your physics texbook (if you don't have one, get one! or download this ). Basically, L=I*w , where L is the angular momentum, I is the moment of inertia, and w is the angular velocity. What does this mean? Well, if you want to see some serious precession etc., you want to have a high angular momentum. So spin something fast with lots of mass far from the center. Take a look at this: precession . I always found that bicycle wheels worked great - the only hard part is holding on to them, so I would suggest mounting the axle to something. For additional fun spin it up with a drill or small motor. Keep your duty factor low or you'll burn out the motor - drill motors are meant to spin fast, not slow.

      I just checked out that textbook I linked to, and the angular momentum section suXors. Perhaps I ought to do an "Ask Slashdot" on Open Source Textbooks. Or would that be a dupe? I searched and didn't find NEthing covering physics textbooks. Hmm.

      Good luck with your projects. I looked at your website and it looks like you are a true techie geek. Consider your hand shaken. Try not to catch fire.

  3. lol he sounds like a girl! by qewl · · Score: 0

    Yes, that is awesome and I am going to have to try it, but after watching the video it took me a little while to figure out that what I thought was a female voice at the end was actually his!

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    1. Re:lol he sounds like a girl! by torpor · · Score: 1

      Dude, its puberty, you should enjoy it one of these days too, if you're lucky.

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  4. Already been investigated.. by DeathOverlord3 · · Score: 5, Informative

    turns out most cds explode at 28k rpm according to this story from a couple years back. and even then it was a dupe.

    1. Re:Already been investigated.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      He seems to be using CD-R's. Don't they contain cyanide and/or other nasty chemicals? Doesn't he want to be breathing through some sort of filter if he's going to be shattering them?

    2. Re:Already been investigated.. by yourmom16 · · Score: 1

      They contain cyanine not cyanide. Cyanine is just a cyancolored dye(thus the name) and is nontoxic.

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    3. Re:Already been investigated.. by darqchild · · Score: 1

      no, cyanine dye takes it's name from it's colour, not it's chemical content

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    4. Re:Already been investigated.. by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Right. And cyanide takes its name from the color you turn after you inhale/ingest it.

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    5. Re:Already been investigated.. by crapulent · · Score: 1

      Correct. The guy in this article is incorrect in looking at the speed on the label of the dremel and assuming that's what the disk is spinning. The max speed on those things is almost always the "no load" speed, and the actual speed will be significantly less, depending on the load. A CD presents quite a large moment of inertia (compared to a small little grinding bit) so I wouldn't be surprised if it's only spinning at 15 kRPM or less.

      This article is a waste of time,

  5. Either do that... by stere0 · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... or put 'em in the microwave for a couple of seconds, shiny side up. Put a sheet of paper below if you don't want to stain the glass plate.

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    1. Re:Either do that... by Becquerel · · Score: 1

      I've tried this trick a couple of times, it makes a great sparking effect.

      My worry though was always the pungent chemical odour that was left afterward. It certainly smelt highly toxic, anyone know if it is?

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    2. Re:Either do that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know if someone was pulling my leg, but I thought I had heard that CD-R/Ws use Cyanide compounds?? any fact to that? Are the R/Ws more toxic to zap than the AOL coasters?

    3. Re:Either do that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      That is, btw, an officially sanctioned method of destroying classified information. It's so much easier than banging them through our dinky shredder...

  6. mirror by Barbarian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have a full copy of that page, with the videos, but no way am I mirroring when the author of the page threatens to sue for $50000 at the bottom.

    1. Re:mirror by realdpk · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just don't remove the content and you'll be OK.

    2. Re:mirror by Anime_Fan · · Score: 2, Informative

      For us mere mortals, not even that is possible... He seems to be slashdotted already...

      But according to this (another slashdot comment), you have violated his notice (removing any material), if you were planning on displaying it (doesn't say anything about public showing), so I GUESS YOU'RE SCREWED (or not):
      Copyright © 2002 by Sam Barros. All rights reserved. Removing any material from this site for display without consent from its author consists in an infringement of international copyright laws and can result in fines up to $50000 per infringement, plus legal costs. So ASK ME before you remove anything from here.

      *Goes check the http://www.thedarkcitadel.com/cd/ mirror that someone else kindly posted*

    3. Re:mirror by bn557 · · Score: 1

      that wasn't the same mirror
      but a certain domain would have the same files stored in /temp/*

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  7. why spin the CD at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I bet in the future, you'll be able to get "legacy" CD-ROM drives that just take an optical image of the whole disk once, load the content into a buffer, then eject the disk, in about 5 seconds.

    That would be cooler than 12,983x drives.

    1. Re:why spin the CD at all by gfody · · Score: 1

      just scan the cd at 3600dpi and write a program to decode the image. I wonder if the bright light from the scanner would ruin a cdr though

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    2. Re:why spin the CD at all by BJH · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I seem to recall some company made something similar to this - a CD-ROM drive with a built-in hard drive, where the content of the CD was cached on the HDD to allow quicker access.

      This would have been quite a while ago. Anybody else remember these?

    3. Re:why spin the CD at all by JeffSh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This article from CNN makes mention of such a thing coming from Sony.


      The range also features a CD audio system in which a disc can be placed anywhere on a playing surface the size of a salad plate.


      sounds incredibly cool! but it's part of Sony's megathousand dollar line of products in development. Im not sure what it is or how it works, or even if its close to the idea. This is the only place ive ever seen mention of this thing.

      sounds pretty cool though!
    4. Re:why spin the CD at all by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      There are virtual CDROM drivers that alow you to run a program or read data from an ISO image. But because of the drivers, Windows treats it as though it was a physical device. Of course, you still have to rip the ISO image from a phyisical CDROM. But it has it's applications, such as getting around those lame ass copy protected games that HAVE TO HAVE THE FUCKING CD IN even though it's already been installed to the harddrive.

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    5. Re:why spin the CD at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That could work. Imagine an ultra-high resolution scanner snapping a picture of the cd. It might take a while, but it could work. Nanosecond latency, and transfer speeds of several hundred megs / second would be cool. The problem is, what do you do with multilayer (DVD) discs? Maybe a scan using only certain light wavelength?

      Also, someone tried to do this with old LP records. Apparantly is almost worked, but there are some issues with LP pits that don't work so well. There is an old slashdot story on it, but I can't seem to find it amid all the RIAA / P2P cruft. Not even google could pull it off. Someone with better skills want to try and dig it up?

    6. Re:why spin the CD at all by anshil · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well I doubt the wavelength the scanner uses matches the CD. Note that there aren't any real black pits on the CD. Only a reflective layer, and a semi reflective layer with a distance of exactly lambda/4. Now when the laser in a classical cd player "looks" at the cd where the semi reflective layer has a "pit" it gets reflected as whole on the reflective layer. If there is not a pit, half of the light gets reflected, half passes through gets reflected on the second layer, goes back and gosh it interferes destructive with the light that got reflected on the first layer. Thats why wave length and distance between the layers need to match each other.

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    7. Re:why spin the CD at all by gwappo · · Score: 1
      You know, this actually makes sense!

      So how do multi-layer CD's (DVD's) work? Different frequencies of light?

    8. Re:why spin the CD at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, just focus the beam at different depths.

    9. Re:why spin the CD at all by anshil · · Score: 2, Informative

      Exactly! Thats the technical explanation.

      The explanation with scattering pits, and focus are for the masses who do not know what destructive interefence is :o)

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    10. Re:why spin the CD at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you saying we should convert the CD to analog and rip it to LP, and then scan it?

    11. Re:why spin the CD at all by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I seem to recall some company made something similar to this - a CD-ROM drive with a built-in hard drive, where the content of the CD was cached on the HDD to allow quicker access.

      This would have been quite a while ago. Anybody else remember these?


      Yes. I used to work in a small computer store. These 'wonders' were also sold w/o their own hard drive, as 100x cd-readers.
      What they did is spend about 10 minutes staging when you put a new cd in, making an image of it on the hard drive, but telling your PC that the image was the cd-rom drive. Sure, it was very fast, once you got past that initial insanely long wait time (that happened *every time* you inserted a different cd...)
      It was such a scam that you had to read the back of the box *very* carefully to figure out what they were doing. We got so many restock fees from those things (although I tried to *tell* people....they'd buy it anyway...i mean, it said 100x! that had to be better than the 8x that was sitting next to it....right?)

    12. Re:why spin the CD at all by humming · · Score: 1

      This would have been quite a while ago. Anybody else remember these?


      Sadly, yes. I used to be a developer for one of the companies that did those...

      Seems like they even made it into production:
      http://www.axis.com/products/cd_dvd/i ndex.htm

      Not that we were the only company that made those...

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    13. Re:why spin the CD at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think he was talking about using a regular scanner. Presumably, you'd have a CD-ROM drive that had a CD-wavelength-specific scanner built in.

    14. Re:why spin the CD at all by jafac · · Score: 1

      Crap, now that I think of it, it's almost trivial to do that today.
      If you have a machine with 640 Megs of spare RAM sitting around - simply detect the mount of the CD, copy it to a RAM disk, then spoof the mount with the RAM disk. . .

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    15. Re:why spin the CD at all by jafuser · · Score: 1

      I think the point of the parent post was to be able to initially read in the entire disc at once.

      Imagine putting a music CD on a very high resolution flatbed scanner, and then after a relatively quick scan, being able to play the music from the scan.

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    16. Re:why spin the CD at all by anshil · · Score: 1

      Well the basic idea is in principle not that bad, combining scanner technology with cd technology, could be interesting to be evaluated in research&development.

      However what I wanted to point out it is unlikely that you ever are able to read a CD in a "standard" scanner no matter how much pixels/inch it has.

      I additionally think the most companies to not put effort in it, since the user benefit is becoming smaller and smaller, while the prices to archive higher transfer rates are rising. We are currently concentrating on the DVD, where due to much higher density with 48x rotation speed tranfer speeds will multiply.

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  8. Whooopie by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 4, Funny

    Whoopie, another story for Power Labs. What's their slogan again ? "We know just enough science to wreck something, then we call it an experiment."

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    1. Re:Whooopie by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 3, Funny

      Whoopie, another story for Power Labs. What's their slogan again ? "We know just enough science to wreck something, then we call it an experiment."

      If that's the case, we're doing a damn impressive experiment on their web server. Yee-haw!

      Cheers,
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    2. Re:Whooopie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think it's "We have just enough bandwidth to survive about five seconds of slashdotting."

    3. Re:Whooopie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We know just enough science to wreck something, then we call it an experiment."

      Isn't that the slogan on the side of all particle accelerators?

  9. AOL by Zelph · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dang! Where are all those AOL CDs when I actually WANT them?

    1. Re:AOL by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 2, Funny
      Where are all those AOL CDs when I actually WANT them?

      Probably you've sent them to http://www.nomoreaolcds.com/.
      BTW: If I read the article that says aCD Rom is a bomb ready to explode I really wonder if we can sue AOL for deploying weapons of mass destruction. *eg*

    2. Re:AOL by Booyakka+Joe · · Score: 2, Funny

      Check your local US Post Office - mine has a AOL disc display.

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    3. Re:AOL by gmuslera · · Score: 1

      Microsoft is worse. Not only will kill you with their CD fragments, but also will own your body after you die.

    4. Re:AOL by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1, Funny

      Check your mailbox.

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    5. Re:AOL by PhxBlue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Dang! Where are all those AOL CDs when I actually WANT them?

      Right here.

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  10. Freeze the CD... by Max+Romantschuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the site:

    A standard compact disk has a diameter of 12cm. If this disk is to spin at 35000RPM, the peripheral velocity at the edges of the disk (.377m circumference x 583.3 turns per second) will near 220m/s, or 722fps, or 792km/h or 492miles per hour. That is one fast CD-Rom!

    At those speeds the CD is storing over 150joules of energy.


    I wonder if Freezing the CD would make for even more spectacular explosions... after all the speed and energy stored in the CD is really ridiculous.

    Freezing usually makes most things more fragile, right?

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    1. Re:Freeze the CD... by bn557 · · Score: 4, Informative

      How temperature affects the properties of a material are intrinsic to the material. Examples: Water becomes more rigid when you freeze it. Silly Puddy becomes hard when you freeze it. But with plastics, yes they generally lose their ability to bend without breaking. It raises their resistance to change, which raises the stress in the material at a given amount of bending. That leads to it breaking.

      P

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    2. Re:Freeze the CD... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1
      CDs are already frozen; freezing is the act of making a liquid a solid...

      freezing things such as flowers in liquid nitrogen works by freezing the liquid water already in the flower, making them brittle.

      However, if you've ever broken a plastic ice tray that's been in the freezer, you know that plastics are more brittle at lower temperatures... but it's not freezing.

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    3. Re:Freeze the CD... by kuiken · · Score: 2, Informative

      and the winner of the 'pedantic of the year' award is ...

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    4. Re:Freeze the CD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is slashdot, what do you expect?

    5. Re:Freeze the CD... by apdt · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, that should be "pedant of the year"

      Do I win it now?...

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    6. Re:Freeze the CD... by falzer · · Score: 1

      I think by "freezing" the poster meant lowering the CD's temperature below the glass transition temperature of the plastic.

    7. Re:Freeze the CD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey kids, I'm pretty sure this one is supposed to be modded as "Funny." But then again, the high school students these days don't care much about science unless it has the word "computer" in front of it, do they?

    8. Re:Freeze the CD... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      freezing the cd will make the plastic more brittle so it will shatter to smaller pieces, but also making it more brittle will make the resonance frequency higher so if you want to rotate it to failure you'll need a faster torque motor.

    9. Re:Freeze the CD... by Zirnike · · Score: 1
      You can't get something 'more brittle'. Brittle is an absolute: If something is brittle, it breaks before it bends. Materials that are ductile bend before breaking... that's a variable. The more it can bend before fracture, the more ductile something is.

      The phrase you're looking for is 'more ductile'. (sorry, just trying to enter the "pedant of the year" contest - plus, my material science teacher was quite adamant about that distinction.)

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  11. CD's as weapons by broothal · · Score: 1

    When I saw this movie more than 10 years ago, I remember people where discussing wether the CD's the alien used could withstand the torque. It has now been verified that the movie was unrealistic

    1. Re:CD's as weapons by ocelotbob · · Score: 1, Funny

      I've always wanted to get the camera gear to create a superhero parody -- AOL CD Guy -- who would be sort of a cross between Gambit, the Punnisher, and other superheroes. His weapon of choice would be an endless supply of AOL CDs, which he'd fling or fire, haven't decided which, at his foes. The big issue I had was if said guy was going to be a villain or not...I really should finish the script for that project.

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    2. Re:CD's as weapons by Asprin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Do the 1045-Hours-Free CDs do more damage than the older 720-Hours-Free CDs?

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      ....because, you know, it might be time for an upgrade.

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    3. Re:CD's as weapons by sanity_slipping · · Score: 1

      Do the 1045-Hours-Free CDs do more damage than the older 720-Hours-Free CDs?

      No. I have tested this. It all depends upon the flick of the wrist, the angle you throw it at, and where you hit them. Distance is relevent too, because sometimes they can get out of the way.

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  12. Trashed by Mattygfunk1 · · Score: 1, Funny
    Spinning CDs with a drill eh?

    Actually it probably makes sense considering he also has a "Chemlabs" page he was probably stoned at the time.

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  13. wait, it gets better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    consists in an infringement of international copyright laws

    Yow! I think he CONSISTS in an infrigement of ENGLISH GRAMMAR LAWS!

  14. Jackass for geeks by shaneb11716 · · Score: 5, Funny

    'nuff said.

    -Shane

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  15. Pointed Out Already by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is a dupe of thiswhich was a dupe, funny that. Here is a mirror of it (the first dupe), since the site was taken down: My Mirror

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    1. Re:Pointed Out Already by zapp · · Score: 1

      great sig.

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  16. Hmm... by rgoer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Guess I should call Big Broth^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Ashcroft at T.I.P.S. to let them know that AOL has apparently been engaging in some very suspect "terrorist-like" activity, filling my mailbox with potentially dangerous explosives for years.

    1. Re:Hmm... by lastfuture · · Score: 1

      Funny, they filled mine with beer coasters, and guess what, i was underage at that time :o

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  17. How do we know how fast it was spinning? by anubi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    He notes using a dremel tool to spin the disk.

    He also notes the disk speed is lowered due to aerodynamic drag.

    Personally, I would have been impressed if he had done something to the disk, maybe going over quarters of it with a black felt pen so an optical pickup could have determined its RPM, instead of guessing.

    At those speeds, gyroscopic effects can really be exaggerated! Gyroscopic effects alone can result in some really bizarre behaviour when the plane of rotation is changed.

    This experiment reminds me the time we got a flywheel spinning off the table-saw motor in high school shop. The flywheel got away from us when unexpected gyro forces wrenched it from our hands. The damage that thing did was talked about from then on to beyond the day I graduated.

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    1. Re:How do we know how fast it was spinning? by JeffSh · · Score: 1

      the fancier model of Dremel has an RPM gauge.

    2. Re:How do we know how fast it was spinning? by bm_luethke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed on the dremel.

      I have a few spare Radio Control car electric motors that have TONS or torque. I bet I can get the CD to spin at nearly thier top speed which is somewhere between 25k-40k depending on the motor. I've broken wooden airplane propellers on them trying to build thing before.

      You can get some of them pretty cheap (25-40 dollars for the motor, 15-25 for a mechanical speed control). Lots of uses for a high torque, high RPM, motor.

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    3. Re:How do we know how fast it was spinning? by speleo · · Score: 1

      Or you can go to Home Depot and buy a 2 horsepower woodworking router with electronically governed speeds from 10k to 30k rpm. And it'll only cost you $100 bucks or so and will have no problem spinning a CD.

      Plus, you have a very useful tool -- it's probably the most useful woodworking tool you can own.

    4. Re:How do we know how fast it was spinning? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to guess. The RPM frequency that the CD is spinning is audible in the .mpg.

  18. sell it as art by qewl · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I'll ust take his idea which he says, "DO not attempt to replicate any of the experiments described below!" (And I like how the "DO" is capitalized instead of the "not"), and break a few CDs, arrange the pieces in different ways, take a picture of it, blow it up, and sell it to an art studio. =D Profiting from the ideas of others!

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    1. Re:sell it as art by untaken_name · · Score: 2, Funny

      (And I like how the "DO" is capitalized instead of the "not")

      Maybe he was imagining R. Lee Ermey saying it...

      DO not attempt to replicate any of the experiments below, maggot! YOU WILL not live another day if you do, do you understand me? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

  19. Other uses for AOL CDs by oshy · · Score: 1

    There are lots of uses for old CDs:

    Coasters
    Soap dish (after a bet of melting and remolding)
    Lamp (in the process of building one. You stick a large stack of them together, ream out the center and stick in a bulb)
    Any others?

    1. Re:Other uses for AOL CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try using one as a cockring. Should fit you pretty well, and your mom might get some satisfaction for once.

    2. Re:Other uses for AOL CDs by oshy · · Score: 2, Funny

      If I reemed out the hole that wide, there would be no CD left

    3. Re:Other uses for AOL CDs by JQuigmire · · Score: 1

      Here's what I did with a bunch of them. AOL-CD Lamp

  20. extreme cdfrisbee by Afbc0m · · Score: 1

    spin the cds that fast and accelerate them like a frisbee, now try and catch it...

    1. Re:extreme cdfrisbee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...with your teeth!

  21. While watching the movie... by Flounder · · Score: 4, Funny
    was just waiting for a perfect example of why you should always wear eye protection when doing something extremely dangerous at extremely high speeds.

    You'll shoot your eye out!

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  22. Other good uses for CDs by dew-genen-ny · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A few years ago, myself and a friend found another, equally interesting use for old CDs:

    You can use a stack of them hooked up together as a big high-voltage capacitor!

    We connected them all up, then passed in ~20K volts, and it really could hold it's charge (I can't remember the numbers - since then, I've lived in amsterdam for 3 years, and a'dam tends to have a negative effect on ones memory....). What was amazing was when you hooked it up to the powersource, all the disks were attracted to each other and clamped up really tight.

    Discharging the thing was amazing, and the 'zap' (for want of a better word) could easily burn through some thick paper...

    Maybe when I've got some time I'll repeat the setup, this time with some photos, then I'll enjoy a good ol' fashioned slashdotting...

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    1. Re:Other good uses for CDs by Klerck · · Score: 1

      Combine this idea with that Xbox controller from earlier, and you've really got something there I think!

    2. Re:Other good uses for CDs by toothfish · · Score: 1

      please hurry. that sounds useful-- as opposed to marginally interesting.

    3. Re:Other good uses for CDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
      What was amazing was when you hooked it up to the powersource, all the disks were attracted to each other and clamped up really tight.
      Please tell me you know why this happened...it's not rocket science...
    4. Re:Other good uses for CDs by FFFish · · Score: 1

      Could you do a write-up/web page on this, or mail it as a suggestion to loony Sam, or somesuch? I'd love to see some information on all this.

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    5. Re:Other good uses for CDs by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      What you have there, my friend, is an "Amsterdam Jar" (as opposed to a "Leyden Jar") :)

      I made one out of a beaker and tinfoil as a kid, it held quite a charge. In later life, I calculated the capacity to be around 2 Farads or so. Yowza!

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  23. Full Text... poor server... by SJ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have you ever loaded a faulty CD into a high speed (30X or higher) CD-ROM player, heard it spin up to incredible speeds, rattling and whining, and thought to yourself: "this thing is going to explode"? When CDs came out they were heralded as the solution for the need for high storage-high speed information devices, transferring data at a whopping 150kb/s, but like all technologies, 1x CD players quickly became obsolete as the need for higher and higher transfer rates pushed for faster players, and, with them, higher rotational speeds. As we advance into the 21st century CD players are reaching the ultimate speed limit: we are getting to the point where the CD player simply can not spin the CD any faster or else the CD will literally fly apart. On the interests of the advancement of high speed computing PowerLabs brings to you:

    THE ULTIMATE CD SPEED LIMIT!
    WARNING: This page is written for amusement only: These experiments are VERY hazardous!; A high speed rotating CD Rom is a bomb ready to explode and will send razor sharp plastic shrapnel in all directions when least expected. DO not attempt to replicate any of the experiments described below!

    Setup:

    Before an experiment could be devised where a CD would be rotated to complete failure, a proper motor had to be obtained that would be capable of achieving those high rotational velocities with the load presented by a CD. Although a CD is very light and aerodynamic, when it starts to spin at a couple tens of thousandths of rotations per minute the drag created by air around its surface can be to slow the motor down considerably. High torque motors are very common and cheap, as are small high speed motors. Unfortunately however, high speed, high torque motors are a much rarer and expensive find.

    My choice was to use a Dremel tool as the motor. It was cheap, easily available, and, more importantly, the rated 35000RPM spindle speed meant that it had some real potential for spinning things to destruction.

    At 35000RPM very small imperfections and balancing errors can lead to extreme vibration; so much, in fact, that it would be possible to damage the bearings or bend the axle on the tool if something as heavy as a CD was to start wobbling (bear in mind that the Dremel tool was designed for very small, light weight loads and even then many of its attachments carry warnings not to be used at full speed). One of the first challenges of the research was to find a means to secure the CD perfectly in the middle of the tool. A custom made CNC lathe spun aluminum holder was considered but before I ever left the room I realized that the cylindrical sanding attachments Dremel makes not only fit a CD hole perfectly, but also have adjustable width so that the CD could be gripped in place. With the CD in place and the dremel plugged in, it was time for the fun to begin!

    The Dremel was switched on and the rotational velocity was gradually increased to its maximum, at which point the CD hummed and whined in a very menacing manner. Mildly disappointed that it had not exploded, I realized that it wanted out; a quick jerk at the tool and the CD slid out of the holder and contacted the carpet whilst spinning at ungodly speeds. It peeled out a bit in front of me and proceeded to make its way to the door at a very high speed. On contacting the closed door, the CD did a most unexpected thing: it first bounced back a few inches, and then, when it hit the door again, it jumped straight up the door and struck the ceiling, exploding into thousands of fragments which rained down on the entire room. This first experiment was unfortunately not videoed, but it served to get everyone in the room to put glasses on and cower away behind pieces of furniture, whilst people in the hall corridor quickly made their way to my door to ask what was going on. Now, with an audience, the camera was taken out and the real experimentation began...
    ÂA standard compact disk has a diameter of 12cm. If this disk is to spin at 35000RPM, th

    1. Re:Full Text... poor server... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are people who merely copy the content of the site linked to in the article always moderated up ? this is not informative, it's merely conveninent for those who don't want to wait half an hour for the site to be available again. Copy/paste posts brings absolutely nothing to the discussion, and the side effect is that Taco and VA are slowly building a google-like cache of the entire internet geek-space.

      I don't know, it's not my storage space that's being wasted for nothing, but I think those sterile posts should be modded down until karma-seekers understand it's not working anymore ...

    2. Re:Full Text... poor server... by jussikin · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually CD-rom drives could be lotta faster. Just stick more reading heads on em. putting to lasers on em should double the transfer rate. So 100x drive could be feasible.

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    3. Re:Full Text... poor server... by SJ · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I realise your just trolling, but to be perfectly honest, slashdot karma means absolutely sqat to me. I just posted it because it helps people get the article... in much the same way as people post mirrors to large file downloads.

      And if you are so concerned with storage space... why are you filling it up further by posting a comment that brings absolutely nothing to the discussion?

  24. This guy is going to get pissed by Playboy3k · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last time this happened his site was slashdotted and consquently due to bandwith caps wasnt up till 3 weeks later. Wait till he finds that he has been put on the front page again. Better start looking behind our back's for some guy with a dremel and a couple of AOL cd's.

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    1. Re:This guy is going to get pissed by twisted53 · · Score: 1

      Speaking of AOL CDs, maybe THOSE were the weapons of mass destruction Iraq had and no one has realized it yet ! Based on the figures given and the number of those CDs..... DAMN...makes Hiroshima look like a firecracker...

  25. You don't need that much speed by Lossenelin · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I once had a CD explode in a 56x CD-ROM drive.
    (that happened to anyone else?)

    1. Re:You don't need that much speed by Suchetha · · Score: 1

      happened to me a few days ago. i was installing SuSE from a CD-R (don't ask) and it must have had a flaw somewhere. i could hear it start whirring up and then *BANG*.. brought the entire office running to see how i'd managed to blow up a computer (i'm the office tech freak).. we had to pry that drive apart to get the pieces out.. so we're out one CD-ROM drive and i can't install SuSE 8.1 anymore.. (btw anyone got the ISO for cd2 of SuSE 8.1??)

      Suchetha

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      or one out of three ain't bad
    2. Re:You don't need that much speed by phasm42 · · Score: 1

      A guy I worked with was working on a computer, and had the CD-ROM drive precariously balanced on the edge of a box. I told him he'd better move it to somewhere more stable before the vibrations caused it to fall off. I had started to add that he should wait until the CD had spun down, and that he needed to make sure he kept it level, but I was too late. He had already grabbed the drive and tipped it. Due to the fact the CD was acting as a gyroscope, it didn't tilt when the drive did, and struck some metal on the inside of the drive, shattering the CD. We later disassembled the drive and cleaned it out, and fortunately, it worked fine.

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    3. Re:You don't need that much speed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but it had a crack in it

  26. I'm safe by IvyMike · · Score: 1

    Here's a quote from the manual of my CD-RW drive:

    The PlexWriterâ(TM)s reinforced tray bezel and drive bezel can resist the escape of the disc or disc fragments in the event of disc failure at this high 48X speed.

    I knew it was worth paying the extra for the Plextor. Although such an event would almost certainly wreck the drive, it would still be a pretty cool story.

  27. RIAA by simgod · · Score: 1

    I had an unpleaseant experience with angular velocity myself. Two years ago I bought a Pioneer 105s DVD drive and downloaded some region-unlock firmware from a guy's site (farzeno?). After this the drive did play region-free, but started sounding weird. After a while I heard a loud sound - the CD exploded and wrecked the whole drive's hardware. The drive was ready for the trash bin.
    The RIAA has it's secret methods.

  28. This picture is priceless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This picture is great. The guy is sitting on the floor looking at a 35000 RPM CD which is most certainly going to explode, and wearing nothing but a pair of (what looks to be) sunglasses! He looks like a little kid whose found his first book of matches and is mesmerized by fire! I can't view the video (./'d) so I can't comment of his actual procedure, but from the looks of things he could have been in for a world of hurt. At 35000 RPM, that plastic might as well be concrete, or glass.

    1. Re:This picture is priceless by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > from the looks of things he could have been in for a world of hurt.

      Well, as long as the Dremel is kept pretty still, all the exploding fragments will move outward, in a circle, from the bit. As long as his POV was perpendicular to the CD, he should be safe from being immediately punctured. Of course, shattered CD parts bouncing off of nearby walls is another matter entirely.

    2. Re:This picture is priceless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      At least the dumb ass has enough sense in his head to close his laptop.

    3. Re:This picture is priceless by ptr2void · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Definitely. Why are these guys wearing sunglasses? To look cool probably. The protection effect against high-velocity CD fragments is negligible. Still, it might help against secondary hits, which bounce off walls. The primary shrapnel goes off radially, so you can control it pretty good.

      Anyway, these people seem to have too much time on their hands :-)

  29. From the blog of Sam Barros... by ites · · Score: 4, Funny
    Tuesday, 5am.

    I keep having these dreams about things exploding. Tonight it was my microwave. I filled it with AOL CD's, set it to 'Aggressive Defrost', and sat down with a beer. The explosion took off the roof of my house and sent it into space. This dream gave me another great idea I can't wait to try: sending cargo into space by blowing up AOL CDs.

    Wednesday, 7pm.

    It did not work. The neighbour wants back his microwave, and my son is asking me where his music collection went to. Well, that's one positive angle, anyhow.

    Thursday, 5am.

    That dream again. My subconscious is trying to tell me something. Maybe I was using the wrong brand of microwave...

    Friday, 8pm.

    I think I've cracked it. Instead of just one microwave, you have to imagine a Beowulf cluster of the things...

    --
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    1. Re:From the blog of Sam Barros... by IICV · · Score: 1

      Suspension of disbelief is nice and all, but I think you go too far when you expect us to believe this guy has children.

  30. Page counter by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Funny

    Look at the counter on the guy's page : it has only 4 digits. How much do you bet it already rolled over a hundred times ?

    I can just picture the guy in trance mumbling "no, no, I'm not slashdotted, my server isn't smoking, it can't be, I only have 4000 hits so far ..."

    --
    "A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
    1. Re:Page counter by spydir31 · · Score: 1

      I saw it more as "*rocking back and forth with head in hands* this is not happening. this is not happening. this is not happening. this is not happening."

    2. Re:Page counter by phyrestang · · Score: 1

      Probably because this poor guys webserver just recovered about a week ago from the last time it was slashdotted.

  31. Re:In other news... by Bawko · · Score: 1

    You mean:

    You've Got Jail!!!!!

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    Government is the monopoly on the legal (socially accepted) use of coersive force. Think about this next time you vote.
  32. Before there were CDs by Sooner+Boomer · · Score: 1

    there were silicon wafers. I was working in the "front end" of an integrated circuit manufacturing site on a machine that develops the exposed photoresist on a silicon wafer. I had the guards removed. I put a wafer on the chuck, turned on chuck vacuum to hold it in place, and spun up the chuck (to about 3000rpm). Just as I turned away to get a tool, the chuck vacuum let go. Talk about "Spinning Buzzsaw of Death"! Fortunatly I had safety glasses on, and the wafer was down inside the machine. Besides not showing up well on X-rays, the wafers contain arsnic, boron, and phosphoric salts.

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    Chaos maximizes locally around me.
    1. Re:Before there were CDs by Atomizer · · Score: 1

      They're also very sharp! They break into pretty wicked pieces.

  33. To drive cats insane... by Okonomiyaki · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hang one from the ceiling with a string near a window. It will reflect the sun in to a fairly bright spot somewhere on the floor or wall, give it a little spin. Your cat will chase it as if it's some kind of small rodent but of course never be able to catch it. This may work with exceptionally stupid dogs too. Laser pointers work just as well but require more user interaction.

  34. Here's the MPEG by SEWilco · · Score: 5, Funny
    For those who can't get the MPEG video from the site:

    0000000 0000 ba01 0021 0001 8001 5d16 0000 bb01
    0000020 0c00 1680 055d ffe1 e0e0 c02e 20c0 0000
    0000040 be01 dc07 ff0f ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff
    0000060 ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff ffff
    *
    0004000 0000 ba01 0021 0a01 8031 5d16 0000 e001
    0004020 f307 2e60 0031 9601 1107 0100 917e 0000
    0004040 b301 0014 c4f0 ffff b8e0 0000 b801 0880
    0004060 4000 0000 0001 0f00 f8ff 0000 0101 f96b
    0004100 19ee 4cc7 5b59 835a f211 55fe 3761 f1f4
    0004120 5c46 bd6b 9624 0f52 6aed 4c33 6ecd d3fa
    0004140 4ad5 78f5 93b2 72db 5375 c5c0 e386 3f6b
    0004160 9225 8e50 ef2c 8677 86f9 7fa4 71b5 2357
    0004200 9c55 19ac 9fb3 5ddc 1878 cc1c dc3a 8f37
    0004220 0df2 bb48 8d4e b6cc 114a efd9 03a0 ca1d
    0004240 4ae8 1003 ef91 59bf d78e 0911 d2e4 9190
    0004260 608b 6caf 2903 721f 4b90 232f 9d6f 5277
    0004300 1143 a8c7 ce5d 8c80 f4da 9824 db82 3ff4
    0004320 15b1 56d2 7f64 eb83 bc9c d007 84aa f912
    0004340 38c3 b97e f6d1 4fdb edef 2fb9 faac 90d0
    0004360 ae25 4b5f 8f14 bff1 e970 f751 dfb9 ad0e
    0004400 fbb8 b2ed e179 ea84 56d2 5004 155c 8d78
    ...more of the same

    1. Re:Here's the MPEG by okvol · · Score: 1

      Help! I'm having a C64 flashback!!!!!!!!!!

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      cabg x3 is a life changing event...
    2. Re:Here's the MPEG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here - we used to type in those numbers in two shifts with my bro. Hurrah the times when they invented the check-sum system, before that debugging was a major pain.

  35. at least you did remove the copyright notice..... by leuk_he · · Score: 1

    which may cost you up to 5000$

    But why copy the text if the pictures are the most interressing part?

  36. Re:Zero RPM by anshil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Will not function likely with a standard scanner since the wavelength do not match, just have explained that.

    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=67125&thresh ol d=0&commentsort=3&tid=137&mode=thread&pid=6168826# 6169070

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  37. Re:Zero RPM by gfody · · Score: 1, Funny

    no problem my scanner does 65,536 dpi interpolated!

    --

    bite my glorious golden ass.
  38. Not possible to move laser? by Albinoman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You sir, are an expert troll.

    Hmmmmm..... after a minute of thinking. Lasers, among many things can be aimed at very very high speed (ever been to one of those laser light shows?) How about a lens or mirror that spins and a laser that merely utilizes that mirror or lens by aiming at it?

    Please people, if youre gonna troll or just make asinine, narrow-minded comments, at least log in so we can list you as "foe".

  39. Newbies by Vihai · · Score: 3, Funny

    I did it more than one year ago with a friend of mine, we actually managed to put the disc on the floor spinning at 15K RPM and making it run across the office at high speed for 50+ meters.

    We used a pencil to push the disc away from the dremel, if we had to force it for more than a fraction of seconds, the pencil would smoke :)

    At the highest speed the disc exploded (well... it was already damaged, we almost knew it would) and some SMALL piece is still stuck in the roof...

    Don't do this at home!

    (do it at the office :))

  40. How fast, again? by surprise_audit · · Score: 1
    From the article:

    ...when it starts to spin at a couple tens of thousandths of rotations per minute...

    Just how fast is "a couple tens of thousandths of rotations per minute"??

    1. Re:How fast, again? by Rorgg · · Score: 1
      2/10 000 rotations per minute = 1 rotation every 34.72 days.

      And I thought MY DVD drive was slow.

    2. Re:How fast, again? by cicadia · · Score: 1
      Nah, that's a couple of ten-thousandths

      A couple tens of thousandths is more like 20 * 1/1000 RPM, or about 1 rotation every 50 minutes or so

      Still damn slow

      --
      Living better through chemicals
  41. Re:Zero RPM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Hrm; better yet, convert it to vinyl, then scan the vinyl!

  42. Jeopardy format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is "How many geeks does it take to burn a CD?"

  43. High RPM and a large diameter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I heard a story years ago at college of a windmill that was accidentally left running in gale. Apparently the tips of the blades caused a sonic boom!
    Dunno if theres any truth in that though.

  44. More lasers! by xyote · · Score: 1

    If you use 2 lasers, you could burn the disk twice as fast, 3 lasers 3 times as fast, 4 lasers ... up to the point where the heat shock destroys the CD. New meaning to the term "burn" a CD.

    1. Re:More lasers! by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      No. It's hard to get the lasers to line up when their sections meet - this is why you can't resume after buffer overruns without gaps.

    2. Re:More lasers! by spencerogden · · Score: 1

      How about sperate lasers for each track, like the over speed readers?

    3. Re:More lasers! by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 1

      Won't help with a data CD, and could waste space.

    4. Re:More lasers! by nomel · · Score: 1

      You could just have seperate laser assemblies then. Each one would act independently, and burn (if four lasers) 1/4 of the CD. And, I know of many burners that can resume. Just look at the Phillips burners...that's what they do when there is an error. I think haveing many lasers is MUCH more feasible than having rotating lasers.

  45. This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to parent) by anubi · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you microwave a CD, not only do you get an impressive fireworks display...

    You will also get a lot of really smelly fumes from the ignition.

    I have no idea of the toxicity of these fumes, but I can tell you your pizza will taste funny the next time you use the microwave oven to prepare it.

    So, if you wanna experiment, do it in someone else's oven.

    --
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]

  46. St Anger by MixMiesterT · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now I know what to do with that new metallica cd. *shudders* damn that saint anger

  47. PLEASE MOD PARENT UP by stere0 · · Score: 1

    anubi is absolutely right. Open a window and don't leave the CDs in your microwave for too long. I wouldn't breathe the fumes either.

    I would mod him/her up but I can't because I posted this comment's grandparent. Can somebody else please do it?

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    Trollem mirabilem hanc subnotationis exigiutas non caperet
  48. Bogus blowup by Hadji+Baba · · Score: 1

    Too bad his .mpg of the most spectacular explosion wasn't caused by the CD spinning at high velocity... but was caused by him throwing another CD at the spinning disk.

  49. Two Darwins in a row! by WwWonka · · Score: 1, Funny

    First the shocking Xbox controller, now the exploding CD, what's next?

    Possibly how to connect a used desktop 300W power supply to your family jewels to obtain that much sought after "Ryan Seacrest" hairdo?

  50. Arguing for the sake of arguing... by lenski · · Score: 5, Informative
    Heelloo, This is *slashdot*! Arguing for the sake of arguing is "our" stock-in-trade! :-)

    Unable to resist...

    Ye olde "9 pregnant women having a baby in 1 month" argument... For another analogue that may apply here, it's worth noting that recent developments in semiconductor processing technology includes a move to 30cm wafers, specifically to accommodate parallelism in production.

    I don't remember the dates specifically, but silicon production "began" with 3-inch wafers, then transitioned to 5-inch, then 8-inch. So, don't be too harsh on those who suggest doing things in parallel.

    Producing 1000 CDs per day? Consider standard pressing techniques, which is nearly as flexible as "burning" CDs but way cheaper and can be performed as quickly as you wish. (Did you know that CD sputtering chambers can contain multiple different blanks?)

  51. Mirror anyone? by traid · · Score: 1

    If anyone has a mirror of the site I can host it, just message me on aim (traidatwork) or email me.

    --
    None of us are as dumb as all of us.
  52. Got chased by one... by PSaltyDS · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Had one come out and chase me around the lab a bit. An HP VL 400 low profile desktop with a quirk in the CD drive that if you pushed the eject button more than once, it stored the button actions. Pushing it twice quickly resulted in it opening about one centimeter and then closing again. Pushing it three times while the disk was spining full speed caused the tray to open without waiting for spin-down! The disk got air born (only for about half a meter) and skittered across the table after me as I back peddaled away from it in surprise.

    The first time it surprised me, the next ten times, I did it on purpose! (Screwed that NT 4 WS disk up pretty well, IIRC).

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    Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. - Geek's corollary to Clarke's law
  53. Kenwoods w/ ZEN Technology by grimsweep · · Score: 1
    Multi-beam Kenwoods are where things were supposed to go. 7 beams, faster reading, and a much lower CD speed. Unforunately, they screwed up compatibility, and there was a much longer initial access time.

    You can find a little info on them here.

    I have a 52X that still works well. Quietest freakin' drive I've ever used.

  54. you forgot something... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...kid!

    (as in "you'll shoot your eyes out, kid!" for those not familiar with the red ryder bbgun story)

  55. Um, no by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    a) As the article mentioned, some readers use multiple read heads to achieve higher read speeds with lower spin rates. So higher than 48x is indeed possible.

    b) The latest IDE standard can push 133 MB/sec. Even taking into account overhead, an ATA100 7200 RPM hard drive can easily do 40 MB/sec in the real world. (That's what my drive does.)

    Since 1x CD is 150 KB/sec, 48x is only 5-6 MB/sec, a small fraction of what even ATA33 is capable of, let alone ATA133.

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  56. Wrong. by 42forty-two42 · · Score: 2

    That's something else entirely, which you would've known if you compared the URLs.

  57. Revolution X by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

    Anyone else remember this game? You had a gun that shot CDs. IIRC, there was an Aerosmith soundtrack.

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    Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
    1. Re:Revolution X by Abm0raz · · Score: 1

      Area 52.

      It was an FPS with guns instead of joysticks. You ran around shooting aliens (go figure). Power-ups and life were kept in wooden crates and exploding toxic waste barrels that you'd have to shoot open and shoot the power up to collect.

      And yes, Aerosmith did provide the soundtrack.

      -Ab

      --
      Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    2. Re:Revolution X by Xeger · · Score: 1

      No no, the original poster was correct. The game was Revolution X; not only did Aerosmith provide the sountrack, they were (in some twisted fashion) the protagonists of the game's storyline (as such).

      The idea was that anonymous bug-eyed thugs in bad ninja costumes has, for reasons unknown, decided to deploy a huge army whose goal was to enslave everyone -- or perhaps just outlaw rock 'n roll, I was never too clear on this point. The hero (the player) had to blast his way through levels full of these guys and their military hardware, shooting them and occasionally receiving lame guitar riffs as a reward.

      Anyhow, the game was a shooter similar to Area 51, only your gun shot CDs, and all of the graphics were pre-rendered live action video on CG backgrounds. Very crude, of a much earlier generation than Area 51 / 52.

    3. Re:Revolution X by daBum · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that you could "rescue" the various band members throughout the game, giving massive bonus points & a special "bonus level" / concert at the end of the game.

      What's really sad is that I got to the point i could beat it on about $2.... all the way through (including bonus level).

      Ah, the good old days, when I had more time than sense (or cents).

      --
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  58. Re:This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to pare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think CDs are bad, try microwaving a circuit board. You know the smell one transistor makes when it dies? Multiply by 100...

  59. Building an unreal tournament Ripper by mnmn · · Score: 1

    The dremels head should be made to be somewhat conic, with the CD sitting on it. Sandpaper is fine around the cone, but should be something with a grip.

    And the whole structure should be built on a trolley and two columns where one column carries the trolley and the other touches and pushes the base of the CD at one end. Big rubber bands can hold the trolley holding the dremel and CD with a latch, and once the CD is doing well at high speeds, release the latch to fire the trolley and watch the CD disconnect and fly.

    Notes: Make sure the dremel itself doesnt fly. Build a shield in case the CD breaks so you dont kill yourself. Keep some CDs with sarpened edges in case you go out hunting.. can be sharpened on the dremel with sandpaper. Also please note if you shoot into the air, CDs can act like boomerangs. Do not stick around.(remember the results in Unreal)

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  60. The Ripper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Better yet, try to make your own UT weapon in real life. Spin 'em and eject 'em. Get a deer tag next fall and try it out on a real target. Whee!

  61. better than scarecrows by delorean · · Score: 1
    CD's are better than scarecrows at keeping birds off my fruit trees, peppers, etc.

    Thanks AOL!

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    "You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas"
    Sen. Davy Crocket to US Congress, Nov. 1, 1835
  62. anyone torrent it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    anyone have a torrent of the movie.... looks like its being /.ed (hard drive spinning too fast?)

  63. fair use display. by twitter · · Score: 1
    Alow me to quote my favorite still, from his good CD explosion. It's an amazing and frightening image, in which we can clearly see the trajectory of a large chunk many frames before the author had time to flinch. I'd like to see a pciture of his ceiling where much of the energy may have been deposited.

    I'd also like to share a sad story of a lab death due to flying glass. Somewhere around 1989, a student at Tulane died when a piece of glassware exploded in his hand and a fragment severed his jugular vein. His death was partly due to the difficulty the EMS team had finding him in the building.

    If the author feels this display of his image constitues a "removal" and untolerable infringment, he may send me a cease and desist letter by replying here, the public place of advertisement of publication. In that case, I'll consider him a weenie.

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  64. CD's by jefu · · Score: 1
    On a related note, what is the best way to cut (physically) CD's ?

    I'd like to build a few hanging geometric things out of CD's and have not yet found a good way to cut them reliably and accurately. I've tried various kinds of saw, craft knives and the like, hot objects, scoring and bending till they break and so on. Getting a couple good cuts is easy - getting a bunch of accurate shapes is a bit tougher.

    1. Re:CD's by Abm0raz · · Score: 2, Informative

      The secret to carving CDs is to go slow and insure the rigidity of the CD.I find that by using contact cement and gluing a piece of 1/8" plywood to the BOTTOM of the CD, I can use a band saw on a CD quite well. The wood prevents the CD from bending, which will cause it to catch and crack/shatter or chip. I've also found grinding wheels to work well, too ... but the same thing, you need to attach something rigid to prevent the CD from bending. I find plexiglass to work well, too.

      -Ab

      --
      Nothing fails quite like prayer.
    2. Re:CD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On a related note, what is the best way to cut (physically) CD's ?

      A dremel tool, silly. :)

    3. Re:CD's by mrphrtq · · Score: 1

      You might want to try jeweler's saws. They're often used on plastics, bone, and metal for inlay work.

      I haven't tried them on CDs myself, but they've worked wonders on similar materials. I got mine at Widget Supply

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      "Life has improved immeasurably since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously." - Hunter S. Thompson
    4. Re:CD's by jefu · · Score: 1
      I tried a dremel tool. Either it cut well but not exactly, or it cut poorly, but relatively accurately.

      But now I have a better Idea!

      I'll score the CD with a sharp blade and spin it at 30,000 RPM till the scored part just flies off. Repeat to get the next piece and there ya have it. Slow, but potentially much fun.

  65. Re:Did anyone else look at the title ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This only reflects on your subconscious desires to be sodomized. Why is that trolls of your ilk have such vivid homosexual fantasies? Hmmm... let me think. Is it possibly because you are a CONFLICTED HOMOSEXUAL? Bingo! Now go get some therapy so you can accept that you love men and get on with your life.

  66. burnout by ASAPnetworks · · Score: 0

    I wonder if the burnout he's talking about when the CDROM jumps off the dremel burned his carpet? At those speeds it must get incredibly hot rubbing against the carpet like that.

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    in the bonds, ppka
  67. Re:This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to pare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually even stupider than inhaling fumes from the CD itself is inhaling the fumes from combusted compressed air.

    Everyone knows if you take a can of compressed air and turn it upside-down you can freeze just about anything in seconds. If you do this to a CD it actually becomes more pliable, very counter intuitive.

    Well some crackhead (read me) decided to put a pliable CD in the microwave and see what happens. Interestingly the compressed air substance for the most part explodes from the microwaves. If you open the door to blow out the burning CD, with the intentions of saving your 1200 watt microwave. Be sure to take a deep breath before you actually open the door. The fumes will not only burn your nose hairs off they will burn you lungs and make it impossible to breath. Plus the aroma makes you want to yak on everything. If you dont actually pass out (which is very tough) it takes better than an hour before you can breath normally again, and about a month for those nose hairs to grow back.

    Nevertheless my microwave is fine.

    AC

  68. Use them as reflectors? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have long wondered what would happen if a couple thousand people each focused the sun at a specific spot using a CD...

    At a podium, for example.. Or maybe a football kicker.

  69. Re:Zero RPM by SEWilco · · Score: 1

    Until a scanner with sufficient resolution exists, the wavelengths can not be judged to not match.

  70. Re:This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to pare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    dunno if you have seen this, read about it somewhere on the net ages ago. if you get a grape, and cut it in half, but not all the way through (leave a bit of skin as a hinge), bung that in the microwave and watch the fireworks! the grape usually ends up exploding. very cool :)

  71. He got the velocity calc wrong... by sexylicious · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not circumference times the rotational velocity. It's the RADIUS times the rotational velocity.

    So, for the standard CD thats: .06 m x 583.3 rotations / second (using his numbers) = 34.998 m/s = 114.8 fps = 78.3 mph.

    If it really was going 220 m/s, that's a significant fraction of the speed of sound at sea level (340 m/s).

  72. A _much_ better use for AOL CDs... by William+Tanksley · · Score: 1

    Is to build a Tesla turbine. That way you can harness energy AND eventually watch them fly to pieces.

    Seriously, the tesla turbine design is worth a look from any hobbyist. Since it's bladeless, it can handle a lot nastier conditions than a typical bladed turbine can, and is also much simpler to build (my friend's built several breath-powered models out of paper and cardboard).

    -Billy

  73. AOL by oaf357 · · Score: 1
    Well being one of the few nerds with woodworking abilities I have numerous power tools available to me including a Dremel tool.

    This might make for some entertaining events when you factor in my third floor apartment balcony.

    Now I know what to do with those damn AOL CDs other than make windchimes.

  74. wrong. by hummassa · · Score: 1

    The phrase he's looking for might be LESS ductile.

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    It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
  75. They explode in the drives, too. by BigZaphod · · Score: 1

    It happened here at work a year or so ago. We got some new computers with 30x drives in them, and an Oracle installation CD exploded as it spun up. Destroyed the entire drive and shiny things sort of puffed out the front as the door cover popped off. Pretty cool, really. :-)

  76. centrifuge, hrm? by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    Saddam, is that you?

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    autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
  77. New use for laser printer innards by Atario · · Score: 1

    Leave the CD stationary, but spin the laser beam. As in, the way a laser printer does, with a high-speed rotating mirror. 172x, here we come!

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  78. Nope by autopr0n · · Score: 1

    The speed at the edge of the disk is equal to the circumfrence times the 1/frequency.

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    1. Re:Nope by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected. Didn't notice the extra 2pi in there (rev/s does not equal rad/s). *blushes* Funny thing is that I'm actually a real live rocket scientist... :/

    2. Re:Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me guess - Columbia?

    3. Re:Nope by sexylicious · · Score: 1

      F&*K you. People died. And for your info, I routinely work with radians per second. Not revolutions per second. I noted the difference. And because I routinely work with those units I read the report incorrectly.

  79. I just replicated what they did. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got home from a hard day of academic testing today, and this is just what I needed to relieve some tension. I used a few more precautions though. I duct taped the drill to a cinder block in my garage, and I just stood back and plugged it in while wearing welding mask. If you just let it be, the disc eventually spins of the grinding bit and does all those fun tricks. I had to hit it with a broom handle to make it go kablammo. I exploded about four discs. However be warned, even though the scrap flies in a predictable manner (parallel to the discs), a pice could certain fly outside of that range and give you a pretty nice puncture wound.

  80. Re:This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to pare by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

    your pizza will taste funny the next time you use the microwave oven to prepare it.

    You use a microwave to prepare your pizzas???

    I dunno about the funny taste, but I can guarantee that you're gonna have a nice rubber pizza next time you do that...

  81. Re:This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to pare by bughunter · · Score: 1
    rubber pizza

    Bow bow bow!

    /elwood

    (what da ya want for nothin?)

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  82. Re:How old is this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No sense of humor. My point is this guy made his own canon, fired a golf ball at mach 2 into the air, experiments with gauss guns, and spins CDs to 35000 rpm. It just seems like he might have an accident. I guess the mods don't know what a dead pool is, so I should have said Darwin award.

  83. Give me 4X! by gregstumph · · Score: 1

    What I really want is to be able to buy a plain old (new) 4X CD-ROM drive. I don't *want* a 32x drive that sounds like a jet engine taking off. And I'm tired of waiting for these "fast" drives to spin up and down all the time. Aarrggh!

  84. CD explosion by TheGrimace · · Score: 1

    I've had a CD in a normal drive (guessing about a 40x read) explode on me before. It blew the door right off of the drive with one hell of a bang, scaring the crap out of me as my head was about 2 feet from the drive.

    The disk had shattered into thousands of tiny pieces. I was able to retrive about 75% of the disk, at which point I started re-assembling it like an NTSB investigation. Unfortunately, the janitors here at the office cleaned it up before I was able to get a picture of it.

    Man, was the IT manager surprised when I told him why I needed a new CD drive...

    Oh, and the disk? Microsoft ActiveSync 3.1 install disk. :)

  85. Hard drive platters are more fun... by sexylicious · · Score: 1

    though more dangerous because they tend to not shatter. Just spin one up, then lay it against a rail of some kind and watch it take off. It will curve slightly due to the Coriolis effect. But I've seen them stick into trees...

  86. Re:This stinks...(a bit offtopic but reply to pare by anubi · · Score: 1
    The "compressed air" in a can you speak of may well be some freon derivative, not the nitrogen-oxygen-etc mix we call "air".

    There may be some interesting chemical interactions between the plastic and the freon, which could be a solvent to the plastic.

    Without further study, I am ill-prepared to advise you on what you will get. But there's no telling what might come of it.

    I think you are wise in your advice to not breathe the fumes. I have no idea what hydrocarbons and halogen derivatives may be formed, but I do know some of our most toxic materials are formed from malformed organic molecules, which trick our biological organic synthesis systems into doing things they are not supposed to do.

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  87. My exploding CD story by spun · · Score: 1

    I was working in Honolulu for a civil engineering firm. I was hired as a technical writer, but once they learned how much I knew about computers and networking, they put me to work doing that whenever they needed it.

    One day, I was pulling cable. I was stuck headfirst in the crawlspace, teetering on the top of a ladder, negotiating with some recalcitrant CAT5, when I heard what sounded like a gunshot come from one of the engineers offices. I nearly fell off the ladder.

    Running into the office, I found the engineer picking pieces of CD out of the wall opposite his computer. Turns out, he'd heard me raving about Linux and decided to give it a try. He'd bought a soft-cover Linux book with a CD in it. I think the CD might have been damaged by the flexing of the book.

    When the CD spun up in his new 48x drive, it exploded: shards shot 10 feet out the front and embeded themselves in the drywall. Upon opening up the case, we could see that the drive innards were completely mangled.

    I told him not to give up on Linux, but maybe he should buy a boxed set.

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  88. This guy's a Darwin Award Applicant. by jcr · · Score: 1

    Note from the article, that the observers didn't put on glasses until the first disk had shattered against the ceiling.

    I also notice that the glasses he's shown wearing sure don't look like side-shield safety glasses to me.

    My shop teacher would have kicked my ass for this kind of stunt.

    -jcr

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  89. Very old news by nzyank · · Score: 0

    I remember a web site about a guy in Sweden or Denmark or someplace doing the same thing only under more controlled conditions and he actually tried to reinforce the CD's with kevlar and stuff. He tested several different kinds to see at what speed they would shatter. Really interesting news 4 fucking years ago. The link was probably on SlashDot, too, but I can't remember where because it was so long ago. Another Slashdot rerun.

  90. SI figures by xihr · · Score: 1

    According to some quick research, the typical moment of inertia for a compact disc is 27 000 g mm^2 = 2.7 x 10^-5 kg m^2. (A CD-R might have a little more mass than a typical CD.) If it were to really get up to the rated 35 000 rpm = 3700 rad/s, that would give the spinning CD an angular momentum of 0.10 kg m^2/s and a total rotational kinetic energy of about 180 J. By comparison, the (translational) kinetic energy of a 95 mph fastball is about 130 J.

  91. Silly Puddy? by Fourier · · Score: 1

    Just to set the record straight:
    Silly Putty
    silly Puddy

  92. buy plextor by slaida1 · · Score: 1

    I bought plextor just because it comes with plextools with which you can slow down the drive to 8x CLV (or CAV, can't remember now). ok so it isn't 4x but 8x doesn't make much sound either.

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  93. Re:Zero RPM by anshil · · Score: 1

    huh? do not get what you mean. in english please.

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  94. Re:Zero RPM by SEWilco · · Score: 1
    1. I don't know if a scanner with sufficient resolution exists (I haven't examined scientific scanning devices).
    2. Assume the needed scanner does not exist.
    3. We can't examine something that does not exist.
    4. We don't know whether that imaginary scanner can detect CD data dots.
    • Self-fullfilling prophecy clause: If a scanner is designed to have the ability to read the image of a CD, it obviously will use optics which are able to read the CD.
  95. Re:Zero RPM by anshil · · Score: 1

    Is there something special you want to point out? Scroll back to parent and read my original posts. I said (with more words) it would be coincidence if the light of a "normal" scanner not designed for CD's would match the one needed for a CD. As the very original was obviously not aware that wavelengths do matter when reading a CD.

    Neither have I said that such special scanner exists or does not, nor did I analyze if such a technology could work in principle or not.

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  96. It brings up an interesting question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At 172x how many RIAA CD burners is it equivalent to?