Animals fucking die. They become extinct. Life goes on. And ranchers have been preserving the environment for a long time beofre Ted Turner started going through his mid life crisis.
No, massive extinction at the hands of Hydrocarbon-Man in the West is killing species faster than we can count them. This "animals go extinct all the time" shit is beyond mindless. HUMANS are displacing all non-human-controlled/constructed habitat. Get it? We are removing the diversity that is necessary to sustain life -- even our own.
Do us all a favor and get out of your 2 bedroom apt in the city and take a look at the rest of America with your own eyes, not through environmental activists's pamphlets.
I grew up on a farm. My sister's family are industrial farmers. My family are still dirt farmers in Europe (raise food for themselves with a little left over for local market). I now live in the city. I live in a 100yr old browstone rowhouse. I look around at the cars, waste and pollution and it makes me sick -- literally and figuratively. The major river that my city is on is so polluted that you cannot eat the fish. Rain water disappears underground never to be seen again. The city is hot and dirty. Urban spaces dont have to be that way. BUT our senseless selfishness, media-inspired pursuit of more, More, MORE drive us to clearcut, pollute and waste to meet a nonexistant need.
Modern life doesnt require all this waste and destruction. If Ted Turner decides to save a indigenous food source, in sustainable way, without industrial-minded methods I am all for it. Sustainability + Simplicity == better quality of life for everyone.
As for the nap, yeah, I need one -- 9-5 worklife is a soul-destroying hell demanded by our unsustainable lifestyle. yes, i would like a nap, I would also like to have a high standard of living without having to be a martyr... trouble is, everyone else seems hell-bent on creating a culture of STUFF and I am forced to dwell within it.
Acutally I'm thinking of the ranch owners that have been leaving the land as is for over a hundred years and are now being bought out by Ted
Have you ever heard of the dustbowls? The crop failures of sodbusters that sent topsoil blowing into the ocean? There is no purpose to Industrial Livestock Operations for a product that ALREADY saturates the marketplace - from grain to beef.
As for restoring "bio-reserves", is that what you call trying market buffalo meat, failing miserably, and getting yourself susidized by the fedral gov't.
American Farmers are givin big tax dollars to keep them on the side of the Plutocracy. Doing so flies in the face of the free-market-theists morality, which likes to pretend a free-market A) exists and B) works.
So, is Ted's subsidy a good or bad thing? Its as American as ApplePie and the overall benefit makes him more deserving than some redneck pumping cows full of hormones for f-ing Walmart.
Are you kidding me? The man buys up tonnes of commercial land, reestablishes working grasslands, re-introduces buffalo (a declining, indigenous, massive mammal that once numbered in tens-of-millions on the NA praries) and you have a PROBLEM with this?
The man is the largest private land-owner in the USA as a result of this effort, and some environmental-denier cranks want to nit-pick the most ridiculous faux-pas he commits? "He bulldozed a hilltop to improve the sighlines of a mountain range" is the best they can come up with?
When you are finished trying to restore a massive bio-region out of your OWN pocket, i'll listen to your nonsense character assasination. Until then, fuck-off.
It sounds like the man's motivation and execution are in the best inerests of the continent's environmental health... and your worried about a few small issues? If you were so damned concerned, why dont you stop the bulldozing of the COUNTLESS suburbs scrawling all over the damn place... look outside your window right now, there is LOTS you can complain about. Not Ted Turner building the largest bio-reserve on the continent.
OR are you simply one of these anti-tree-hugger environemental-deniers? always looking to pick small holes in the efforts of people trying to do something for the environement? Selfless-ness make you uncomfortable? Cant fathom someone doing something GOOD for its own sake? Does that depth of character cause you to question yourself? Are you compeled to undermine their motivation to justify your own myopic selfishness?
He also said the the UN is at risk of becoming irrelevent, which some would argue is a bit late
The UN is only irrelevant when the USA, runs willy-nilly over international law, invading/occupying foreign nations and then saying "the UN is irrelevant -- they cant do anything to stop Iraq, OR US".
So, to prove the UN is becoming irrelevant, the USA dares the world to do something to stop them -- do you fucknuts *WANT* to start WWIII?
instead of the university fighting for a liberalization of licensing schemes, making them sensible and workable, they volunteer to reenforce the RIAA's outdated market-practices.
dont stand up and say "the empreror has no clothes", cower in the corner and sign deals that make your golf-club buddies happy.
The corruption of american culture is complete, even the universities are afraid of the plutocracy.
Why is it mindless? Zareste, the data / elaboration and justification is very well described in BfC. This is not 'made up' nonsense, but well understood reality.
Just because you are american doesnt mean you MUST be an ignorant jingoist, even though you are encouragd by your culture to be.
"Fuck", "Shit" and "Blow job". Are they saying that they had to remove these words because of he evil Bush government? Those words haven't been "allowed" for many years now
Except that this is PBS. A bastion of openness and mature media. This isnt brittanyspears pop music, or the olsen twins on at 7:00pm. Who are the censores trying to protect? University educated adults who seek out erudite television programming? Is this audience going to be offended? I can gaurantee not. A few simple words (fuch,shit,cunt,asshole,whatever) arent really going to trouble people who understand they are but words, that TV is but entertainment and far more objectionable things occur all around you all the time. Censoring television is a simple show for the reactionary fundies... they love having the filthy airwaves cleaned up for their puppies...
this might surprise you, a hollywood actor is also upset about this. Hollywood actors are what? Evil communist liberal hippies -- all they want is to corrupt the upstanding moral fibre of god-fearing america?
Do you think Black/Dreyfuss would walk infront of the assembled media with UNprepared statements? Sheesh, they are obviously going to walk in PREPARED to speak to the press.
I think you have your tinfoil hat on a little tight.
When have we NOT held that public nudity and swearing in public are a bad thing? Especially on the broadcast airwaves? When have we EVER allowed it?
There are a good number of nations in the world -- today and in history -- where these things dont bat an eyelash. The USA is a prudish nation, and not a 'bastion of liberty and freedom'. This if true -- its unfortunate that you seem contented with that situation.
nd two, when has the press ever been NOT free to question the adequecy of national security, except during wartime? We're in a war right now (whether some people want to admit it or not),
You are not at War. Only your Congress can Delcare War on another nation. This has not happened. There is no state of "war". What *is* happening is that the warmongers in office are using a complicit military to run roughshod over international law. You have invaded 2 soverign nations, violating your own domestic law in the process and are currently occupying these nations through thinly veiled puppet regimes. You are in no more a state of war with Iraq/Afghanistan than you are with Drugs, Communism or any other boogy-man. I realize this may violate a belief that America can Do No Wrong and is not only always "right", but has the moral authority to justify any action. Unfortunatley, a great majority of the world now recognizes that The USA is the single greatest threat to world peace.
This is because (caused by) the level of violence in your culture. Not just domestic violence, but the culture of making war -- and how all this violence is tolerated, encouraged and considered patriotic.
It because the other 5.7 Billion citizens of the world are:
A) Jealous B) Know Americans read less than other high-literacy and privileged nations C) Knights of the New World Order D) Are Wrong. U!S!A! E) Point Of Order: This poll is flawed. F) Other. -explain-
Whatever -- it was all USSR/USA tax dollars that these companies are exploiting. Testing, research, data etc etc -- virtually every bit of knowledge was created in State Run Programs.
Now, fall the free-market theists are spouting how "nasa needs to get out of the way" -- out of the way of what? None of this would be possible *at all* if they hadnt proven it possible.
Im not saying there isnt room for people to squeeze usefull project out of more reasonable resources, but they are only doing it because they are "standing on the shoulders of giants".
In order 'to be different' he goes to centrally controlled, brand-imaged coffee shops!?
Does he not realize he is a tool? There is nothing different about starbucks -- its purpose is HOMOGENY!
has marketroid propaganda finally trumped reality? If he wanted different maybe he should have enjoyed a coffee at any one of the locally owned and operated shops that are being destroyed by the market-power of starsucks.
what the fuck does starbucks know about music? When one unrelated -- but dominant retailer -- moves into another area, what do they bring? What added value does starbucks provide to music sales? A staff deeply trained in music theory? Local / National / International music? Musicians on staff who moonlight who can provide insight into the music? Connections with the music industry that allows them to connect with would-be-fans?
Nothing. Starbucks brings nothing. This is why i buy my music at Dr. Disc in Windsor, ON. When i go into this music store, i can speak with a staff who is informed about their product. Contrast this to Walmart, BurgerKing and Starbucks. All inept in everycase, far far to interested in being profitable than providing a capable service.
Further, Ive never drank Starbucks coffee. I much prefer my local, owener/operator small cafe. They roast their beans onsite. Try new things. Ask my opinion. They are deeply aware of the coffee industry worldwide, coffee cultivation, socioecomomic issues of international coffee trade (fair trade, shadegrowing, organics, etc), and other issues. Theyve shown me how to roast coffee. My patronizing *this* coffee shop has made me a better person (provided me with knowledge).
In short, while it is delightfull (in a geeksense) that starbucks is going to use its riches to assault the existing music distribution paradigm, I find it sad that the retail/production plutocratic cartel is so entrenched that innovation no longer occurs on the fringes to unsettle the marketplace. Instead, the game has been rigged to raise the barrier to entry where only the mega-rich can participate... and as a consequence, the service/product becomes worse and worse where MBAs take the place of all the worlds capable/informed business owners... instead, delivering a homoginzed brand-experience for consumers in consumerland.
Sucks to Starbucks, Ill continue with the quality coffee up the street *AND* buy my music from a proper music retailer.
In Ontario, Canada (and all other provinces i believe), a citizen is entitled to a 10-day cooling off period. We may, WIHTOUT ANY reast return ANYTHING (over $50(?)).
If you change your mind in 10 days you are ABSOLUTELY -- BY LAW -- are entitled to return it.
Dont let capitalists continue to convince you, or your fellow citizens (of canada) otherwise... look it up, inform your friends/family, and practice it.
This is what you should have done: Phoned the police -- watch all three get fired when the district manageer (or whoever) gets wind that they allow this nonsense in a store.
the day-to-day operations of a retail outlet operates this way bc the employees are marginal and generally poorly educated. The District Managers on the other hand (or, whoever is actually running the company) cannot statnd for this nonsense... imagine if you had phoned the police, then the local news station "i was just assaulted by two employees because i refused to buy an extended warranty -- and the manager refused to do anything, the police are on the way)
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Animals fucking die. They become extinct. Life goes on. And ranchers have been preserving the environment for a long time beofre Ted Turner started going through his mid life crisis.
No, massive extinction at the hands of Hydrocarbon-Man in the West is killing species faster than we can count them. This "animals go extinct all the time" shit is beyond mindless. HUMANS are displacing all non-human-controlled/constructed habitat. Get it? We are removing the diversity that is necessary to sustain life -- even our own.
Do us all a favor and get out of your 2 bedroom apt in the city and take a look at the rest of America with your own eyes, not through environmental activists's pamphlets.
I grew up on a farm. My sister's family are industrial farmers. My family are still dirt farmers in Europe (raise food for themselves with a little left over for local market). I now live in the city. I live in a 100yr old browstone rowhouse. I look around at the cars, waste and pollution and it makes me sick -- literally and figuratively. The major river that my city is on is so polluted that you cannot eat the fish. Rain water disappears underground never to be seen again. The city is hot and dirty. Urban spaces dont have to be that way. BUT our senseless selfishness, media-inspired pursuit of more, More, MORE drive us to clearcut, pollute and waste to meet a nonexistant need.
Modern life doesnt require all this waste and destruction. If Ted Turner decides to save a indigenous food source, in sustainable way, without industrial-minded methods I am all for it. Sustainability + Simplicity == better quality of life for everyone.
As for the nap, yeah, I need one -- 9-5 worklife is a soul-destroying hell demanded by our unsustainable lifestyle. yes, i would like a nap, I would also like to have a high standard of living without having to be a martyr... trouble is, everyone else seems hell-bent on creating a culture of STUFF and I am forced to dwell within it.
Acutally I'm thinking of the ranch owners that have been leaving the land as is for over a hundred years and are now being bought out by Ted
f m, http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/05/01/farme rs/, http://www.geocities.com/ericsquire/articles/ftaa/ cp040401.htm
Have you ever heard of the dustbowls? The crop failures of sodbusters that sent topsoil blowing into the ocean? There is no purpose to Industrial Livestock Operations for a product that ALREADY saturates the marketplace - from grain to beef.
As for restoring "bio-reserves", is that what you call trying market buffalo meat, failing miserably, and getting yourself susidized by the fedral gov't.
He is harvesting a sustainable amount from the heard. What is wrong with that? Harvesting from the land isnt immoral -- f'ing it up with your fenced-in cow farm at the exclusion of any other purpose IS destructive. As for subsidy, the whole American Farm industry is subsidized. http://www.heritage.org/Research/culture/BG1510.c
American Farmers are givin big tax dollars to keep them on the side of the Plutocracy. Doing so flies in the face of the free-market-theists morality, which likes to pretend a free-market A) exists and B) works.
So, is Ted's subsidy a good or bad thing? Its as American as ApplePie and the overall benefit makes him more deserving than some redneck pumping cows full of hormones for f-ing Walmart.
Are you kidding me? The man buys up tonnes of commercial land, reestablishes working grasslands, re-introduces buffalo (a declining, indigenous, massive mammal that once numbered in tens-of-millions on the NA praries) and you have a PROBLEM with this?
The man is the largest private land-owner in the USA as a result of this effort, and some environmental-denier cranks want to nit-pick the most ridiculous faux-pas he commits? "He bulldozed a hilltop to improve the sighlines of a mountain range" is the best they can come up with?
When you are finished trying to restore a massive bio-region out of your OWN pocket, i'll listen to your nonsense character assasination. Until then, fuck-off.
It sounds like the man's motivation and execution are in the best inerests of the continent's environmental health... and your worried about a few small issues? If you were so damned concerned, why dont you stop the bulldozing of the COUNTLESS suburbs scrawling all over the damn place... look outside your window right now, there is LOTS you can complain about. Not Ted Turner building the largest bio-reserve on the continent.
OR are you simply one of these anti-tree-hugger environemental-deniers? always looking to pick small holes in the efforts of people trying to do something for the environement? Selfless-ness make you uncomfortable? Cant fathom someone doing something GOOD for its own sake? Does that depth of character cause you to question yourself? Are you compeled to undermine their motivation to justify your own myopic selfishness?
Ad hominum. Calling a person a hypocrite does not address his position.
You sir are a poopy-head, you smell bad, we wont listen to you.
He also said the the UN is at risk of becoming irrelevent, which some would argue is a bit late
The UN is only irrelevant when the USA, runs willy-nilly over international law, invading/occupying foreign nations and then saying "the UN is irrelevant -- they cant do anything to stop Iraq, OR US".
So, to prove the UN is becoming irrelevant, the USA dares the world to do something to stop them -- do you fucknuts *WANT* to start WWIII?
Freedom for the world, from Hong Kong to Iraq, why not?
YES! America, get out your Freedom Bombs and bring those ignorant, enslaved heathens some Good'ol USA-Style Freedom!
instead of the university fighting for a liberalization of licensing schemes, making them sensible and workable, they volunteer to reenforce the RIAA's outdated market-practices.
dont stand up and say "the empreror has no clothes", cower in the corner and sign deals that make your golf-club buddies happy.
The corruption of american culture is complete, even the universities are afraid of the plutocracy.
One of the problems with .torrents is diversity. I use suprnova.org to get my .torrents.
Does anyone else know of a good database of torrents? RSS Feeds? Websites?
Why is it mindless? Zareste, the data / elaboration and justification is very well described in BfC. This is not 'made up' nonsense, but well understood reality.
Just because you are american doesnt mean you MUST be an ignorant jingoist, even though you are encouragd by your culture to be.
You are naive.
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"Fuck", "Shit" and "Blow job". Are they saying that they had to remove these words because of he evil Bush government? Those words haven't been "allowed" for many years now
Except that this is PBS. A bastion of openness and mature media. This isnt brittanyspears pop music, or the olsen twins on at 7:00pm. Who are the censores trying to protect? University educated adults who seek out erudite television programming? Is this audience going to be offended? I can gaurantee not. A few simple words (fuch,shit,cunt,asshole,whatever) arent really going to trouble people who understand they are but words, that TV is but entertainment and far more objectionable things occur all around you all the time. Censoring television is a simple show for the reactionary fundies... they love having the filthy airwaves cleaned up for their puppies...
this might surprise you, a hollywood actor is also upset about this.
Hollywood actors are what? Evil communist liberal hippies -- all they want is to corrupt the upstanding moral fibre of god-fearing america?
Do you think Black/Dreyfuss would walk infront of the assembled media with UNprepared statements? Sheesh, they are obviously going to walk in PREPARED to speak to the press.
I think you have your tinfoil hat on a little tight.
When have we NOT held that public nudity and swearing in public are a bad thing? Especially on the broadcast airwaves? When have we EVER allowed it?
There are a good number of nations in the world -- today and in history -- where these things dont bat an eyelash. The USA is a prudish nation, and not a 'bastion of liberty and freedom'. This if true -- its unfortunate that you seem contented with that situation.
nd two, when has the press ever been NOT free to question the adequecy of national security, except during wartime? We're in a war right now (whether some people want to admit it or not),
You are not at War. Only your Congress can Delcare War on another nation. This has not happened. There is no state of "war". What *is* happening is that the warmongers in office are using a complicit military to run roughshod over international law. You have invaded 2 soverign nations, violating your own domestic law in the process and are currently occupying these nations through thinly veiled puppet regimes. You are in no more a state of war with Iraq/Afghanistan than you are with Drugs, Communism or any other boogy-man. I realize this may violate a belief that America can Do No Wrong and is not only always "right", but has the moral authority to justify any action. Unfortunatley, a great majority of the world now recognizes that The USA is the single greatest threat to world peace.
This is because (caused by) the level of violence in your culture. Not just domestic violence, but the culture of making war -- and how all this violence is tolerated, encouraged and considered patriotic.
Did you see Bowling for Columbine?
They were trying to preserve Space Exploration for the good of the American Citizens... is that wrong?
Yes, the beurcracy was not eager to give away the people's enterprise.
Q1:
...pst, you fill in this part...
True: Most people think Americans are ignorant.
It because the other 5.7 Billion citizens of the world are:
A) Jealous
B) Know Americans read less than other high-literacy and privileged nations
C) Knights of the New World Order
D) Are Wrong. U!S!A!
E) Point Of Order: This poll is flawed.
F) Other. -explain-
A1:
Whatever -- it was all USSR/USA tax dollars that these companies are exploiting. Testing, research, data etc etc -- virtually every bit of knowledge was created in State Run Programs.
Now, fall the free-market theists are spouting how "nasa needs to get out of the way" -- out of the way of what? None of this would be possible *at all* if they hadnt proven it possible.
Im not saying there isnt room for people to squeeze usefull project out of more reasonable resources, but they are only doing it because they are "standing on the shoulders of giants".
An excellent article at sys admin mag.
my other starbucks post might offer some more insight into my POV...
In order 'to be different' he goes to centrally controlled, brand-imaged coffee shops!?
Does he not realize he is a tool? There is nothing different about starbucks -- its purpose is HOMOGENY !
has marketroid propaganda finally trumped reality? If he wanted different maybe he should have enjoyed a coffee at any one of the locally owned and operated shops that are being destroyed by the market-power of starsucks.
oh the irony.
what the fuck does starbucks know about music? When one unrelated -- but dominant retailer -- moves into another area, what do they bring? What added value does starbucks provide to music sales? A staff deeply trained in music theory? Local / National / International music? Musicians on staff who moonlight who can provide insight into the music? Connections with the music industry that allows them to connect with would-be-fans?
Nothing. Starbucks brings nothing. This is why i buy my music at Dr. Disc in Windsor, ON. When i go into this music store, i can speak with a staff who is informed about their product. Contrast this to Walmart, BurgerKing and Starbucks. All inept in everycase, far far to interested in being profitable than providing a capable service.
Further, Ive never drank Starbucks coffee. I much prefer my local, owener/operator small cafe. They roast their beans onsite. Try new things. Ask my opinion. They are deeply aware of the coffee industry worldwide, coffee cultivation, socioecomomic issues of international coffee trade (fair trade, shadegrowing, organics, etc), and other issues. Theyve shown me how to roast coffee. My patronizing *this* coffee shop has made me a better person (provided me with knowledge).
In short, while it is delightfull (in a geeksense) that starbucks is going to use its riches to assault the existing music distribution paradigm, I find it sad that the retail/production plutocratic cartel is so entrenched that innovation no longer occurs on the fringes to unsettle the marketplace. Instead, the game has been rigged to raise the barrier to entry where only the mega-rich can participate... and as a consequence, the service/product becomes worse and worse where MBAs take the place of all the worlds capable/informed business owners... instead, delivering a homoginzed brand-experience for consumers in consumerland.
Sucks to Starbucks, Ill continue with the quality coffee up the street *AND* buy my music from a proper music retailer.
In Ontario, Canada (and all other provinces i believe), a citizen is entitled to a 10-day cooling off period. We may, WIHTOUT ANY reast return ANYTHING (over $50(?)).
If you change your mind in 10 days you are ABSOLUTELY -- BY LAW -- are entitled to return it.
Dont let capitalists continue to convince you, or your fellow citizens (of canada) otherwise... look it up, inform your friends/family, and practice it.
This is what you should have done: Phoned the police -- watch all three get fired when the district manageer (or whoever) gets wind that they allow this nonsense in a store.
the day-to-day operations of a retail outlet operates this way bc the employees are marginal and generally poorly educated. The District Managers on the other hand (or, whoever is actually running the company) cannot statnd for this nonsense... imagine if you had phoned the police, then the local news station "i was just assaulted by two employees because i refused to buy an extended warranty -- and the manager refused to do anything, the police are on the way)
so you sent her back to the shelf to get a new one that she hadnt damaged intentionally -- right?
Maybe the USA should accept the offer of the UN to send observers... you people dont really want ambiguity in your elections do you?