Why do BSD License advocates always complain about the GPL requiring the source to remain available for any released product? Time and again I hear the argument "But I dont want to release the source for my app, but I want their source!!!!"... what is the problem? Nobody is making you use it. The GPL does not "take" if you hold the same ideals. If you dont hold those ideals, then dont use it. The gift does not keep on taking.
Yes and no. Yes they probably named it after (the same reasons adobe chose) Adobe Illustrator. But should the issue here be whether they should be able to be sued or not, or whether Adobe should have been granted a trademark in the first place?
The logic here is slightly flawed though. You either defend all cases against a particular trademark, or none. The same as with patents (I believe). However, this does not relate between your trademarks. On a side note, apart from rhyme, the only part of Postscript/GhostScript similar is "script", and there is little chance that this would have stood up in court. Nice idea though, it really is too bad it wont work.
This is not over patents. Although the linked message does not explicitly state this, this is either trademark or servicemark. See comment 20 for more info.
It seems to me that they are filing under trademark law, but not in the USA. In the USA a trademark may not be filed if it is for a generic term. In a perfect world. But the world is not perfect, and may trademarks are granted (Toast, anyone? Perhaps SSH?) If a company builds a brand name that is obscure (Yahoo!, for example) then all well and good, I believe they ought be able to preserve that; but I do not believe you should be able to file and receive a trademark for a name which describes the product and/or its abilities. ie Illustrator.
If I were you, I would take a look at getting involved in the GnomeBasic project. This project is very exciting, they are in the process of writing a 100% language/syntax compatible visual basic compiler to run on GNU systems. It is also capable of parsing ASP pages when combined with Apache! Although an IDE is not currently on the books, if you were turning to C/C++ then this is a great project to be active with!
The term "skipped country" comes to mind. But lets not go ahead and let Telstra know whom might have done that, or where they are now, or exactly how large that bill was. I must say though, when that person had cable internet, the prices were higher, the limit was lower, and the per megabyte price was higher. There was talk of charging for data in-network too. The service was terrible, with downtime all the time, and support was worse. The customers were *all* unsatisfied, except for the persons brothers, who only played Quake 2 (which was the fashion at the time). The ONLY way to get ANYTHING done was simply to contact the top, and you had to go through hell to get *that* number. Perhaps that's why they didnt chase this person... they had they number to the top.
And here we have a supposed "slashdot veteran" or perhaps just an "internet veteran" calling someone... "newbie luser scum". I dont know anyone who used the spelling "luser" past their first year on the internet... which means either: 1. Your are a newbie too. or 2. You are a loser who still uses the spelling "luser" and probably "kewl" as well. You quite possibly even consider yourself 313373, and think I should ph34r you for it.
Not buying it, and not caring either. Go spank your monkey or something.
[CK]:The real CyberKnet has slashdot UID 184349. You'll just have to settle for the imposter.
I would hesitate a guess that the afore-posted poster was feigning the whole thing =)
If that was the case, I'm not sure what was more amusing, his posts or your reactions =) Lighten up, the whole word isnt out to get you (or take you, be it as it may).
There's a lighter and funnier side to life. And its rather fun to share.
According to this webpage they're protecting us all from dying from pneumonia!!!
Quoted: "Anyone who encounters this material without having undertaken Scientology courses up to OT 2 will supposedly die from pneumonia."
When they start charging people they'll start owing a service that works. And you can bet your bottom dollar that this filtering will still be in place then.
I'm not a napster user, but that just seems the way it will go to me... just because they charge for the service and pay BMG doest mean that the courts will overlook the copyright infringement from other labels.
yeah, a Dual Head G400... nasty stuff. Absolutely *horrible* OpenGL implementation, at 1600x1200x32 it was running 4fps. I promptly returned the card to the OEM that was offering it to my employer as a demo and declined. There was just no reason to put up with that... DirectX was *lightening* at the time, I mean, they put some REALLY GOOD work into the DirectX implementation, but the OpenGL stuff was just *vastly* inferior.
Erm.. the whole point of this is that it doesnt *need* DDR. Adding DDR to it would *not* increase its performance what-so-ever.
That said, adding four of these inline and jumping to DDR would be decidedly sweet. The chips are fairly small, which would facilitate this, but I'm not sure if they are capable of that... since they just work on tiles, I cant see why you couldnt assign each a section of the scene but... who knows.
It will be quite a while before hardware T&L comes out on these, I think, considering that this iteration is only just being released.
Hmm... if the OpenGL support was a little bit better, I might be able to discern that it was actually Matrox out there, instead of the 4fps which made me miss the billboard as I rode by on my snail.
Note to moderators: Have you actually checked on the OpenGL driver from Matrox to see its performance? It really _IS_ that bad. Go ahead. Mod me down, its still the truth.
I dont mean to troll, and believe me, I support Open Source as often as I can, but I cant help but think that OpenSource/GNU GPL cannot be the answer to bring down Capitalism.
If you are able to take a minute to stop and think, ponder this:
Is OpenSource/GPL the end of Capitalism, or is it only a different *kind* of capitalism? One where values are what everyone is capitalising on, not money...
Yeah, that's true. I guess my argument is that "192kb MP3" isnt "CD-Quality", by virtue of being MP3. Its not the same ball park, and they're not making it obvious that this isnt real "CD-Quality".
I figure that people who know the difference have the right to know that what they're buying isnt what they think... *shrug*
And with such "argument" you have given up your case in my eyes. You didnt respond to one argument I gave you, you just repeat your own "dogmatic" propaganda.
Free is not free. Free is free use. Free use with restrictions to make sure future works are for free use...
Do me a favor. IF nothing else, tell me why you feel you should be able to use everyone else's code for free? You havent said so yet. You just say that we have "reduced the value" of our code to "nothing" since we gave it away for people to use for Free (nb: not your definition of free). Why do you think that because we let people use our code Freely that you should be able to use our code in closed source, non-Free programs? Just answer those. Because I cant see why you think you should be entitled to re-use Free code as free code... it just doesnt add up. period.
Its on the website in a really hard to find place. It is not CD-Quality audio, although they are marketing it as such. It is near-cd quality audio. Load the dataplay disc Capacity Calculator. Place your mouse over the headphones, and you will notice the image up the top state:
CD-Quality at 192kbps Encoding Rate
MP3 at 96kbps Encoding Rate
I would say at this point it is safe to say they are just putting 192kbps MP3 into it and saying "CD-Quality Audio".
For those who are proponents of "It makes no difference!", I would suggest that you go out and buy yourself an expensive sound card, and an expensive professional sound system to go with it, and come back and tell me you still dont think it makes a difference.
Suppose I release the code to my new still image format. This format is 1/10th the size of bitmaps, and you figure you can add it to your program to reduce the size of your video file format.
My program is released under the GPL. I release my program under the GPL because I use a lot of Free software, and I want to contribute something back.
Your program is *not* released under the GPL. You dont release your program because you want to make money off it and you dont feel you can do this by using the GPL.
Both of our reasons are sound.
You want to take my code. I want something in return. I want to use your program, for Free. But I want to guarantee Freedom to use your program.
Why should I give you my code if you refuse to contribute back? Its not a trade, and its not fair. If everyone took this stance then I wouldnt have an operating system to run Freely. There would be no GNU, there would (probably) be no linux as we know it today.
Dont expect to have programmers react kindly to your stand point. I can see how you would like to use code for free, and not have to open up dirivative works, but nothing is free. Only Free. And if you get soemthing for Free, then you have to make yours Free too. That's just the way it works. Freedom does negate some freedom (the ability to just use code and not open yours), but there's a price to pay for everything.
I run mandrake linux, not debian. as such, there is no support for.debs on my system, and although I have heard a lot about apt-get, I'm not quite ready to install it on my system and begin the (long) task of updating everything to apt-get's format.
Hi, thanks for the (really complete) details!
A few questions:
1) Where did you get those RPMS from? There are several sources for them out there, and I'd like to use the same ones if possible.
2) What kernel version are you running? Have you upgraded your kernel since you installed?
3) What version of Mesa are you running?
I've had some problems getting glide and mesa to play nicely, I havent had dev3dfx running though. did you have to make Mesa with i386-linux-glide or some such or not?
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Why do BSD License advocates always complain about the GPL requiring the source to remain available for any released product? Time and again I hear the argument "But I dont want to release the source for my app, but I want their source!!!!" ... what is the problem? Nobody is making you use it. The GPL does not "take" if you hold the same ideals. If you dont hold those ideals, then dont use it. The gift does not keep on taking.
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*strain* cant .. hold .. *struggle* it ... in ...
GACK
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! BUT YOU CANNOT BE ASSIMILATED!!!!!!
cute factor just flew OUT the window
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Yes, but I would gladly/happily send 5-10DM without even batting an eyelid. Someone else could convert that to 1 cent pieces.
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I think the answer to: Donating $2.00 via PayPal is a good way to contribute to the mindpixel project is:
FALSE
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Yes and no. Yes they probably named it after (the same reasons adobe chose) Adobe Illustrator. But should the issue here be whether they should be able to be sued or not, or whether Adobe should have been granted a trademark in the first place?
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#include "responses/IANAL.h"
The logic here is slightly flawed though. You either defend all cases against a particular trademark, or none. The same as with patents (I believe). However, this does not relate between your trademarks. On a side note, apart from rhyme, the only part of Postscript/GhostScript similar is "script", and there is little chance that this would have stood up in court. Nice idea though, it really is too bad it wont work.
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This is not over patents. Although the linked message does not explicitly state this, this is either trademark or servicemark. See comment 20 for more info.
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It seems to me that they are filing under trademark law, but not in the USA. In the USA a trademark may not be filed if it is for a generic term. In a perfect world. But the world is not perfect, and may trademarks are granted (Toast, anyone? Perhaps SSH?) If a company builds a brand name that is obscure (Yahoo!, for example) then all well and good, I believe they ought be able to preserve that; but I do not believe you should be able to file and receive a trademark for a name which describes the product and/or its abilities. ie Illustrator.
Just my 2c.
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To: "BoB"
Subject: YEW R NOT A COWARD, AN I DID NOT NO THAT TERVOR DIED!!!
Why you call you a coward? I no that u r not because u send me this message! An wen did TREVOR DIE?!!? I CANT BELEVE THIS LIES! I have to go cry now.
Suzi Q
SuziQ@AOL.COM
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If I were you, I would take a look at getting involved in the GnomeBasic project. This project is very exciting, they are in the process of writing a 100% language/syntax compatible visual basic compiler to run on GNU systems. It is also capable of parsing ASP pages when combined with Apache! Although an IDE is not currently on the books, if you were turning to C/C++ then this is a great project to be active with!
You can get to them at http://www.gnome.org/gb/. See also http://www.ximian.com for more details.
CyberKnet
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The term "skipped country" comes to mind. But lets not go ahead and let Telstra know whom might have done that, or where they are now, or exactly how large that bill was. I must say though, when that person had cable internet, the prices were higher, the limit was lower, and the per megabyte price was higher. There was talk of charging for data in-network too. The service was terrible, with downtime all the time, and support was worse. The customers were *all* unsatisfied, except for the persons brothers, who only played Quake 2 (which was the fashion at the time). The ONLY way to get ANYTHING done was simply to contact the top, and you had to go through hell to get *that* number. Perhaps that's why they didnt chase this person... they had they number to the top.
Cheers, Telstra.
[CK]
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And here we have a supposed "slashdot veteran" or perhaps just an "internet veteran" calling someone ... "newbie luser scum". I dont know anyone who used the spelling "luser" past their first year on the internet... which means either: 1. Your are a newbie too. or 2. You are a loser who still uses the spelling "luser" and probably "kewl" as well. You quite possibly even consider yourself 313373, and think I should ph34r you for it.
Not buying it, and not caring either. Go spank your monkey or something.
[CK]: The real CyberKnet has slashdot UID 184349. You'll just have to settle for the imposter.
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I would hesitate a guess that the afore-posted poster was feigning the whole thing =)
If that was the case, I'm not sure what was more amusing, his posts or your reactions =) Lighten up, the whole word isnt out to get you (or take you, be it as it may).
There's a lighter and funnier side to life. And its rather fun to share.
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According to this webpage they're protecting us all from dying from pneumonia!!!
Quoted:
"Anyone who encounters this material without having undertaken Scientology courses up to OT 2 will supposedly die from pneumonia."
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When they start charging people they'll start owing a service that works. And you can bet your bottom dollar that this filtering will still be in place then.
... just because they charge for the service and pay BMG doest mean that the courts will overlook the copyright infringement from other labels.
I'm not a napster user, but that just seems the way it will go to me
Count on this staying, even when you're paying.
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yeah, a Dual Head G400 ... nasty stuff. Absolutely *horrible* OpenGL implementation, at 1600x1200x32 it was running 4fps. I promptly returned the card to the OEM that was offering it to my employer as a demo and declined. There was just no reason to put up with that... DirectX was *lightening* at the time, I mean, they put some REALLY GOOD work into the DirectX implementation, but the OpenGL stuff was just *vastly* inferior.
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Erm.. the whole point of this is that it doesnt *need* DDR. Adding DDR to it would *not* increase its performance what-so-ever.
... who knows.
That said, adding four of these inline and jumping to DDR would be decidedly sweet. The chips are fairly small, which would facilitate this, but I'm not sure if they are capable of that... since they just work on tiles, I cant see why you couldnt assign each a section of the scene but
It will be quite a while before hardware T&L comes out on these, I think, considering that this iteration is only just being released.
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*looks out the window*
Hmm... if the OpenGL support was a little bit better, I might be able to discern that it was actually Matrox out there, instead of the 4fps which made me miss the billboard as I rode by on my snail.
Note to moderators: Have you actually checked on the OpenGL driver from Matrox to see its performance? It really _IS_ that bad. Go ahead. Mod me down, its still the truth.
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I dont mean to troll, and believe me, I support Open Source as often as I can, but I cant help but think that OpenSource/GNU GPL cannot be the answer to bring down Capitalism.
If you are able to take a minute to stop and think, ponder this:
Is OpenSource/GPL the end of Capitalism, or is it only a different *kind* of capitalism? One where values are what everyone is capitalising on, not money...
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Yeah, that's true. I guess my argument is that "192kb MP3" isnt "CD-Quality", by virtue of being MP3. Its not the same ball park, and they're not making it obvious that this isnt real "CD-Quality".
... *shrug*
I figure that people who know the difference have the right to know that what they're buying isnt what they think
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And with such "argument" you have given up your case in my eyes. You didnt respond to one argument I gave you, you just repeat your own "dogmatic" propaganda. Free is not free. Free is free use. Free use with restrictions to make sure future works are for free use...
Do me a favor. IF nothing else, tell me why you feel you should be able to use everyone else's code for free? You havent said so yet. You just say that we have "reduced the value" of our code to "nothing" since we gave it away for people to use for Free (nb: not your definition of free). Why do you think that because we let people use our code Freely that you should be able to use our code in closed source, non-Free programs? Just answer those. Because I cant see why you think you should be entitled to re-use Free code as free code... it just doesnt add up. period.
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- CD-Quality at 192kbps Encoding Rate
- MP3 at 96kbps Encoding Rate
I would say at this point it is safe to say they are just putting 192kbps MP3 into it and saying "CD-Quality Audio".For those who are proponents of "It makes no difference!", I would suggest that you go out and buy yourself an expensive sound card, and an expensive professional sound system to go with it, and come back and tell me you still dont think it makes a difference.
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You are out to destroy my livelihood.
Suppose I release the code to my new still image format. This format is 1/10th the size of bitmaps, and you figure you can add it to your program to reduce the size of your video file format.
My program is released under the GPL. I release my program under the GPL because I use a lot of Free software, and I want to contribute something back.
Your program is *not* released under the GPL. You dont release your program because you want to make money off it and you dont feel you can do this by using the GPL.
Both of our reasons are sound.
You want to take my code. I want something in return. I want to use your program, for Free. But I want to guarantee Freedom to use your program.
Why should I give you my code if you refuse to contribute back? Its not a trade, and its not fair. If everyone took this stance then I wouldnt have an operating system to run Freely. There would be no GNU, there would (probably) be no linux as we know it today.
Dont expect to have programmers react kindly to your stand point. I can see how you would like to use code for free, and not have to open up dirivative works, but nothing is free. Only Free. And if you get soemthing for Free, then you have to make yours Free too. That's just the way it works. Freedom does negate some freedom (the ability to just use code and not open yours), but there's a price to pay for everything.
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I run mandrake linux, not debian. as such, there is no support for .debs on my system, and although I have heard a lot about apt-get, I'm not quite ready to install it on my system and begin the (long) task of updating everything to apt-get's format.
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Hi, thanks for the (really complete) details!
A few questions:
1) Where did you get those RPMS from? There are several sources for them out there, and I'd like to use the same ones if possible.
2) What kernel version are you running? Have you upgraded your kernel since you installed?
3) What version of Mesa are you running?
I've had some problems getting glide and mesa to play nicely, I havent had dev3dfx running though. did you have to make Mesa with i386-linux-glide or some such or not?
Thanks,
CK
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