other symptoms of this bet include the dot com boom and bust, easy come winners had to put there money somewhere so why not into that which had no product or service... easy come easy go..
Other include Worldcom, Enron etc as loosers.
and there's a bunch more to the mess that the media has never put together for the public... As they have been threatened with anthrax...to keep quite about it, though Ted Turner (CNN) publicly stated that the WTC fall was an act of desperation.... later changing his mind, probably after an anthrax letter....
So yeah.... treating symptoms, not the cause, not the disease.....
This persistent nagging as to how this or that or the other are issues the linux community has to deal with or they will fall and linux will be no more....bla bla blaaaa..pff pff spit..
This sort of shit out of the mouth has been going on since Linus first announced his plans to create linux. Perhaps it was going on before that even with article on Stallman.
I'd really honestly sincerely like to see the stats as to how many of these stories and anal-analists have actually panned out. And that includes SCO and Microsoft shit babeling about Linux...
what's the score? absolute BS __________________________________________ vs. Panned Out _ (space alloted for answers)
only an Anonymous Coward would presume to speek for the typical ST.
Additionally and in consideration of the unique tool computers are, suppression of human advancement with computer technology is by far more evil than even suppression of honest observation (re: catholic church and the suppression of galileos observations).
Its about people and what people do. The Rieser file system is on hold as the legal system is crediting Hans with a crime, guilty or not, which will be decided in a court room (perhaps regardless of what ever really happened).
The point is, it is not unjust bias when one considers facts of criminal activities, it is caution.
In the case of Hans, it is fact that he has been charged with a crime and as such the software is on hold.
Linus dismissing the wrongs of Microsoft is even more wrong then those who doubt Hans, as MS has been found guilty and Hans has yet to be judged.
Need another example of the reaction of people to criminal activity stated..... Michael Jacksons trial or Bushes war on Iraq and the Dixie Chicks comment and reaction by the music industry.....
Careful of the media mouth of the beast of man....its rather convincing, right or wrong...
Now do you really want to distort the point and in the process say something about your bias?
Linus shows indifference towards the MS/Novell deal and he also disagress with the GPLv3, and he is free to do so, but he should see his own bias rather than claim he has none while placing judgement on the nature of others bias.
Microsoft is credited with breaking anti-trust law and this is not just one case...
The Rieser (sp?) file system creator is credited with what, besides the file system? Killing his wife?
I think it shows Linus's bias to dismiss the illegal activities of Microsoft and to hide it by saying it is the rest of us showing bias.
Linus is not the only one outside of Microsoft doing kernel work, there are plenty others. BSD flavors, BeOS, ReactOS, AROS, Dragonfly (kernel changed enough to not really be tagged with BSD flavoring), Minix, MacOSX, etc...
For those who want to credit Linus with the kernel being used by a lot of Free Software, the fact is that had Linus not done so then somebody else would have, perhaps even the Hurd would have had better development and focus. And not to forget that the same Free Software is being run on other systems with kernels created by others.
If there is anything to realize here it is that people moved away from Microsoft for any number of reasons, I have my own user frustration related reasons and have additional frustration with the industry as a whole. When something better comes along I will move to it, as will others too. It might just be DragonFly.
Microsoft is first and foremost a marketing company.
Second to that, they are a legal firm, to determine what move to make next that the price of getting caught is less than what they will gain.
Third, they are machine that intentionally destroys and/or absorbs competition by the means of which their legal firm has determined is profitable and their marketing can promote.
If there is any innovation at all it falls nothing better than forth place of importance to Microsoft.
Bill Gates got his start by porting BASIC, yelling piracy and later selling an OS they did not own. They gained market share through the hype of having applications, good, fair or of poor quality is better than no applications.
Microsoft has made it very clear that that its two faced, a back stabber and has a criminal record in more than a couple countries.
Everybody that knows enough about Linux and/or some other OS's and applications know this without question, the bad character of Microsoft. They know not to trust Microsoft.
Now that this is all pointed out, who the hell is Jim Zemlin, and how is it that he holds a position with the so called Linux foundation (incorrect as its not the foundation of linux at all, Linus is and a great deal of the software that runs on Linux has its foundation with the Free Software Foundation.)
What the Linux Foundation is, is an effort to establish standards across linux distributions. Its not a foundation at all.
So in conclusion this is not a matter of forgiving MS for what we know that have done, but rather a mater of questioning who the hell is Jim Zemlin.
Maybe its time to slap him down for expecting us to ignore what we know.
Someone sent him a copy of the Halloween documents, so to enlighten him about the spooks who have fooled him.
...the community version as a test bed for the enterprise version, which in that case it becomes clear that there is an imbalance or dismissal of the value of the community users, an abuse if you will.
The GPL was intended to remove such abuses. The GPL v3 is intended to do the same thing but in consideration of the fraud of software patents. But the point is clear, the GPL in general is to prevent abuses.
On the slip side, there is nothing preventing someone who has access to the enterprise version from making it available to the community users. Or would that be considered an abuse of a paying customer?
,,, as it pretty damn clear that the law breakers they are looking for are non other than themselves....
Thats pretty pathetic that they not only want to spy on US citizens but that they want to punish anyone who followes "for the people by the people" mentality by letting the people know what is not being done by the people and for the people...
Hmmm, kinda sound like communism is taking over the country doesn't it?
...documentation is simple and direct, common and consistent format that can also be used to apply at least examples (doing is half of learning process).
Everyone knows how to use a dictionary, an encyclopedia, and can figure out specifics of more common but slightly varying document structures like catalogs, etc...
The more common and consistent such a format is the faster people will pick up on what is communicated in the documentation.
An old style common format is the unix man pages...as an example.
Another part of the problem is one of lingo, terms used, etc.. For example there is Dbus which uses backward urls and file like paths and "methods".... But would the typical everyday thinking person think in terms "I method you to do this" or "I method the computer to send it to you...
Why not just say "I gobalnegat dagondeha yogaznicondi..you too"
The point is, so long as there is "geek-n-speak" to complexifabulicate intent, there are going to be documentation problems of users lacking interest. Typically starting with "What do you mean by.... "computational thinking"?
While reading through the numerous comments I only read over the ones that I could see without expanding the threads.
I was looking for someone who stated that they have seen such ETI beings...
But as slashdot is, its the more popular view, right or wrong, that is more visible to readers.
It's not like nobody has seen ETIs as there are plenty who have. From writtings in well known religious books to presidents (Carter for one) to whole cities (Mexico City) and the list goes on and on.
Now we all know that just because you can not prove something happened, doesn't mean that it did not happen. There may eb a few innocents here on slashdot but they are as rare as finding those whop say they have seen such ETIs. In other words most here know how to lie and in such a manner as to not leave any proof. Actually a Scientist proved this type of cheating is not only real but easy to apply and safe from proof. He wrote the NeoTech reference encylopedia as a result of his research, so we do have the proof of the existence of such cheating.
Now with the advancements of such a class of beings as ETIs don't you think they know how to lie a lot better than us? That they know how to avoid leaving hard evidence around and when they make a mistake and do, they can probably count on human liers to hide it for them (Roswell??)
ARE There ETIs? Absolutely!!!! and the Software Industry would have the users think the ETIs are them....
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VMware claims OSs of today will be history tomorrow as virtualization becomes norm and without need of todays OS's.
Of course this is IPO hype to jack up investor interest.
To use that as an indication of the ethics of VMware, what does such indication tell you?
It tells me that VMware probably does infringe.
invasion of privacy is a very pervasive thing once you start it up....
Actually it was this that began the attacks on the World Trade Center.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2704stoc
other symptoms of this bet include the dot com boom and bust, easy come winners had to put there money somewhere so why not into that which had no product or service... easy come easy go..
Other include Worldcom, Enron etc as loosers.
and there's a bunch more to the mess that the media has never put together for the public...
As they have been threatened with anthrax...to keep quite about it, though Ted Turner (CNN) publicly stated that the WTC fall was an act of desperation.... later changing his mind, probably after an anthrax letter....
So yeah.... treating symptoms, not the cause, not the disease.....
How anyone made that out to be a double standard I do not know.
2 12875
Maybe the BS side needs more space for a bigger number....
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=268263&cid=20
computer systems are not created in such a manner to have inherent safety and security.
Its an industry problem the legal system is failing to properly motivate correct where it is actually needed.
Treating the symptom is not going to cure the disease. But it will lead to other symptoms that will further be treated.
...is it a slow news day?
This persistent nagging as to how this or that or the other are issues the linux community has to deal with or they will fall and linux will be no more....bla bla blaaaa..pff pff spit..
This sort of shit out of the mouth has been going on since Linus first announced his plans to create linux. Perhaps it was going on before that even with article on Stallman.
I'd really honestly sincerely like to see the stats as to how many of these stories and anal-analists have actually panned out. And that includes SCO and Microsoft shit babeling about Linux...
what's the score? absolute BS __________________________________________ vs. Panned Out _
(space alloted for answers)
The band width you are not getting is because spammers are getting it...
....spoon feeding the consumers and avoiding telling them or letting them realize what you are doing.
only an Anonymous Coward would presume to speek for the typical ST.
Additionally and in consideration of the unique tool computers are, suppression of human advancement with computer technology is by far more evil than even suppression of honest observation (re: catholic church and the suppression of galileos observations).
Knock it off!
Its about people and what people do. The Rieser file system is on hold as the legal system is crediting Hans with a crime, guilty or not, which will be decided in a court room (perhaps regardless of what ever really happened).
The point is, it is not unjust bias when one considers facts of criminal activities, it is caution.
In the case of Hans, it is fact that he has been charged with a crime and as such the software is on hold.
Linus dismissing the wrongs of Microsoft is even more wrong then those who doubt Hans, as MS has been found guilty and Hans has yet to be judged.
Need another example of the reaction of people to criminal activity stated..... Michael Jacksons trial or Bushes war on Iraq and the Dixie Chicks comment and reaction by the music industry.....
Careful of the media mouth of the beast of man....its rather convincing, right or wrong...
Now do you really want to distort the point and in the process say something about your bias?
Linus shows indifference towards the MS/Novell deal and he also disagress with the GPLv3, and he is free to do so, but he should see his own bias rather than claim he has none while placing judgement on the nature of others bias.
Microsoft is credited with breaking anti-trust law and this is not just one case...
The Rieser (sp?) file system creator is credited with what, besides the file system? Killing his wife?
I think it shows Linus's bias to dismiss the illegal activities of Microsoft and to hide it by saying it is the rest of us showing bias.
Linus is not the only one outside of Microsoft doing kernel work, there are plenty others. BSD flavors, BeOS, ReactOS, AROS, Dragonfly (kernel changed enough to not really be tagged with BSD flavoring), Minix, MacOSX, etc...
For those who want to credit Linus with the kernel being used by a lot of Free Software, the fact is that had Linus not done so then somebody else would have, perhaps even the Hurd would have had better development and focus. And not to forget that the same Free Software is being run on other systems with kernels created by others.
If there is anything to realize here it is that people moved away from Microsoft for any number of reasons, I have my own user frustration related reasons and have additional frustration with the industry as a whole. When something better comes along I will move to it, as will others too. It might just be DragonFly.
Microsoft is first and foremost a marketing company.
Second to that, they are a legal firm, to determine what move to make next that the price of getting caught is less than what they will gain.
Third, they are machine that intentionally destroys and/or absorbs competition by the means of which their legal firm has determined is profitable and their marketing can promote.
If there is any innovation at all it falls nothing better than forth place of importance to Microsoft.
Bill Gates got his start by porting BASIC, yelling piracy and later selling an OS they did not own.
They gained market share through the hype of having applications, good, fair or of poor quality is better than no applications.
Microsoft has made it very clear that that its two faced, a back stabber and has a criminal record in more than a couple countries.
Everybody that knows enough about Linux and/or some other OS's and applications know this without question, the bad character of Microsoft. They know not to trust Microsoft.
Now that this is all pointed out, who the hell is Jim Zemlin, and how is it that he holds a position with the so called Linux foundation (incorrect as its not the foundation of linux at all, Linus is and a great deal of the software that runs on Linux has its foundation with the Free Software Foundation.)
What the Linux Foundation is, is an effort to establish standards across linux distributions. Its not a foundation at all.
So in conclusion this is not a matter of forgiving MS for what we know that have done, but rather a mater of questioning who the hell is Jim Zemlin.
Maybe its time to slap him down for expecting us to ignore what we know.
Someone sent him a copy of the Halloween documents, so to enlighten him about the spooks who have fooled him.
Eight weeks of training at a james bond style camp on a tropical island.
and while up in space for three days...
During that time guests would see the sun rise 15 times a day...
costing $4 million for a three-day stay.
and then there is a bill correction afterward..
15 sunrises a day for three days = 45 sunrises.
I'm sorry sir, according to our corrected calculations you were up there for more than 3 days...
45 days to be correct.
At 4 million per three days that comes to $60 million dollars.
here is you after bill of $56 million.
Now its beginning to make financial since...
make people need you...make them need to upgrade, while you invest in those who supply the upgrade.
Another nail in the very fat and big coffin of Microsoft....
...the community version as a test bed for the enterprise version, which in that case it becomes clear that there is an imbalance or dismissal of the value of the community users, an abuse if you will.
The GPL was intended to remove such abuses. The GPL v3 is intended to do the same thing but in consideration of the fraud of software patents. But the point is clear, the GPL in general is to prevent abuses.
On the slip side, there is nothing preventing someone who has access to the enterprise version from making it available to the community users. Or would that be considered an abuse of a paying customer?
what if this were applied to OSS?
Or in other words does this undermine free speech, as in beer....?
... according to popular belief, we all came from Adam and Eve....
This also makes me think of the tower of babel for some reason...
Maybe what was needed is the diversity of trial and error to then figure out we had it right to begin with.
or some such line of thinking.
But if there really is a lack of diversity problem, we certainly know enough about genetics even now to inject all sorts of genetic deviations.
.... its all just words to try and get people to buy Microsofts next product...
...but apparently its the OSS fractions that's wedging into territory occupied by MS...
for the people by the people...
I don't see the word "state" in that alt all.
how about we just count votes outright, no electoral college or such twisting babel...
,,, as it pretty damn clear that the law breakers they are looking for are non other than themselves....
Thats pretty pathetic that they not only want to spy on US citizens but that they want to punish anyone who followes "for the people by the people" mentality by letting the people know what is not being done by the people and for the people...
Hmmm, kinda sound like communism is taking over the country doesn't it?
...documentation is simple and direct, common and consistent format that can also be used to apply at least examples (doing is half of learning process).
Everyone knows how to use a dictionary, an encyclopedia, and can figure out specifics of more common but slightly varying document structures like catalogs, etc...
The more common and consistent such a format is the faster people will pick up on what is communicated in the documentation.
An old style common format is the unix man pages...as an example.
Another part of the problem is one of lingo, terms used, etc.. For example there is Dbus which uses backward urls and file like paths and "methods".... But would the typical everyday thinking person think in terms "I method you to do this" or "I method the computer to send it to you...
Why not just say "I gobalnegat dagondeha yogaznicondi..you too"
The point is, so long as there is "geek-n-speak" to complexifabulicate intent, there are going to be documentation problems of users lacking interest. Typically starting with "What do you mean by.... "computational thinking"?
...Go ahead and shine it at me and I fire back with puke,,,,
Who si the loser here?
While reading through the numerous comments I only read over the ones that I could see without expanding the threads.
I was looking for someone who stated that they have seen such ETI beings...
But as slashdot is, its the more popular view, right or wrong, that is more visible to readers.
It's not like nobody has seen ETIs as there are plenty who have. From writtings in well known religious books to presidents (Carter for one) to whole cities (Mexico City) and the list goes on and on.
Now we all know that just because you can not prove something happened, doesn't mean that it did not happen.
There may eb a few innocents here on slashdot but they are as rare as finding those whop say they have seen such ETIs. In other words most here know how to lie and in such a manner as to not leave any proof. Actually a Scientist proved this type of cheating is not only real but easy to apply and safe from proof. He wrote the NeoTech reference encylopedia as a result of his research, so we do have the proof of the existence of such cheating.
Now with the advancements of such a class of beings as ETIs don't you think they know how to lie a lot better than us? That they know how to avoid leaving hard evidence around and when they make a mistake and do, they can probably count on human liers to hide it for them (Roswell??)
ARE There ETIs? Absolutely!!!! and the Software Industry would have the users think the ETIs are them....
Lier lier.....code on fire....