Come one guys, lets consider the coder base difference between Open Source and Proprietary, what the adverage coder earns for his work.
Let me suggest that VC's, if provided a free worker base, would still manage to lose money for the most part.
Isn't that what this is really saying?
Open source is done in a mode of sharing code, and this includes the benefit of not having to start from scratch.
If you cannot take something of such nature and cause improvement to hapren that are of benefit in value return to you, then you genuinely are not very smart.
Maybe neither are those who get VCs to give them money and then fail.
NASA stories of recent seems to suggest they have something of a clue.
Here is an example:
who would find benefit in investing in GIMP? or CUPS improvements?
Printer and paper supply companies.
Investing in FOSS to improve the market for another product.
And what would anyone object to having such investors/sponsors lised in the "about" menu item and any other place that is non-interfering with the operation of teh application?
How about computer hardware vendors... Providing a FOSS OS with their system has to have some value in improving price performance of their product.
Seems to me there is a large failure to understand indirect profiting off of FOSS, cept for maybe those who pursue system support.
The Big question: How do you profit off of that which is free?
A: Indirectly.
Just as Open Source tracks code contributions, it can and should track sponsors. A matter of credit where credit is due.
A cheap sweetner used in many food products and mostly associated with the non-food product of softdrinks or sugar water.
Research has shown that HFCS can contribute as much as 1/3 to high triglicerides (FAT) in your blood and body.
Having never weighed above 140 in my pre 40 years, I was supprised to be scaling out at 200 a couple years ago. Both my Family doctor and Chiropractor wanted me to lower my triglicerides, lose weight. Otherwise my family doctor was going to put me on meds for that besides colesterol.
I heard about the report, took HFCS out of my diet, dropped 30 Lbs and have pretty much kept it off with any effort. Just the decision to not eat food with HFCS in them.
Good food actually taste alot better.
So it really depends on what you are eating to be a bit overweight, as to how healthy you are...
interesting how the parent has been mod'ed first insightful, then flamebait (though no flames) and then overated and finally interesting... I think I messed something, cause it don't add up beginning with a value of two.
At any rate...
The Exodus is another interesting story, as its plenty clear that the landscape included volcanic activity... everything from water turning to blood (clay-silt) to the insects, hail of fire, the guiding signs of smoke in day and fire at night.... crossing the river with good timing (like old faithful in yellowstone park) to fish whatever from the sky... it all in the sequence of natural events triggering the next...
And Moses brother, a salesman that leaves a tinge of "after sleeping on it" distrust.... and Moses knew this and used it.
Egypt has a lawsuit against the jews today for massive theift, the evidence is the jews own Torah. Search google...
reading of teh time before moses, how the jews got into egypt in the first place - they were invited and given the best of the land..... when told that they would have to gather their own grass for brick making,,,, the egyptians were simply tired of collecting up grass for the jews to do the job they were hired and paid for, when the jews were taking it home to feed their livestock instead...
I read that story in the Torah (interesing how the torah is more readable than the bible..)
Anyways, being a carpenter I actually fully understood the non-miracle of the event.
What occured to me afterwards is that people back then had teh same eyesight problems as they do today, but today we have corrective vision tools, like glasses and lasic surgery.
But the story is really quite interesting. From it is easy to deduct that they were falling the trees away from the river. (Falling is a term to describe the cutting the last part of the tree from the opposite side in which you want it to fall, so not to get your axe stuck as the tree begins to.) As such the, the swing was such that the axe head, upon comming lose during a swing, went into the rapidly flowing river - a little bit of white water - enough to block clear sight of the axe head, especially if you have bad eyesight to begin with.
But the Master/lord saw where it was, and grabbing a forked branch (of which there were plenty of - a by-product of cutting trees down) and put it into the water to hook it into the fork.
As the water was moving, such an act caused not only the water to take an altered path, clearing the sight of the axe head for the others to see, but also helped to raise the axe head up to the surface (like skiing on water). But the branch was either not strong enough to lift it out of the water, or such an attempt could have been to risky, as the rushing water may have been helping to keep the axe head in place in the stick fork.
Being the that lord (landlord??) was holding this stick, he probably couldn't reach the axe head himself, so told one of the others to grab it.
How do you feed alot of people? Q: are people that stupid to follow someone for an extended period of time without taking some food with them? NO! But considering why they were following Jesus (to learn how to excape the dishonesty of society) they just needed an excuse to be able to eat what they brought without letting others know what they had brought (so to better avoid possible attempts to steal from them). The solution: pass a basket around that will allow or provide an excuse as to where they got their own food from...in teh eyes of those "others" around them.
There is plenty more commn sense explainations to the "miracles"... from walking on water to turning water to wine...... many of which are related to common knowledge of an experienced carpenter/boat builder.. of that time. - a vessel in which wine was made, when emptied, still contains residue that adding water to will help wash out giving color and taste to teh water - where at a wedding there is no need for alcohol in order to get drunk with the event. Was Jesus a surfer? Cetrtainly he understood wood and floatability and what happens when you walf to the end of a surfboard.... and the eyesight problem of an observer at a distance.
Perhaps any writtings newly exposed will help to show this.
Is that "the time is at hand" a reference to something being a matter of time, or is it a statement of choice, and the ability to do it now or later.?
Talking bush? There is a type of bush that produces some sort fo burnable oil on it leaves and can be set a fire -- cooler blue flame -- without burning the bush.
But Talking.... Well when you have the world listening to a lying president, hearing the illusuion of war drums and believing them, is it really so hard to believe bicameral mind (search google for julian jaynes work) voices can exist?
In the movie and entertainment business special effects are created all the time.... 50 foot tall cross walking out of a tomb..... easy as pie...
Hmmmm, what was the nature of alot of the writting being now exposed?????
If I don't hear something I might like, then I certainly won't buy it. Be it new or old... out of sight (sound) out of mind.
There was some CD compilation someone I knew did many quite a few years ago of some 80's stuff that I happened to like most all of it. This was pirated, but it put the sounds to mind and I was considering buying some of the CDs.
But then all hell broke lose with the music industry greed crap and I said.... Forget IT!
Now When I find something I like I try to buyt it directly from the Artist. If I can't, then I reconsider buying at all.
So yeah, P2P and all the other greedy crap of an industry burning both ends of its only candle.... will be replaced with a more profitable to the artists internet based marketing direction that even broke artists can afford to do themselves.
And the benefit of doing such when entering the market is that new artists can risk less as they try to build a following, and for those who do build a following they then have negoating power in dealing with the MPAA boys.
And whether or not those boys like it, they can't so easily rip off artist in some subsidizing new risks with profits from the proven or established artist, scam, AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING.
The successful artists should not be forced to sponsor risks of new artists, where the only ones sure to be paid are those running the MPAA.
Like stock brokers, and lawyers.... win or lose they get paid.
without reading the article/review...
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IS this why I'm now getting popups in firefox when I have the popup filter on?
as soon as you draw a line between what can and can not be said on the internet, you will have people playing manipulation games and that where things get messy.
But if the first admendment is adheard to, then everyone can pull the same shit and that makes it more fair (though dishonesty is not a supporter of fairness) than otherwise.
Perhaps what laws need to change are those regarding dishonesty, libel, slander, etc,.
For example, I'm sure the FOSS community would benefit if there were such laws and awards against those commiting lies against it.
Proprietary vs. OSS is a much bigger battle ground .
sponsorships for funding of libel suits against such slanderers.
Recall what Mozilla firefox got for advertising!
And of course it'd be done thru EFF...
proceeds of the winning would of course go towards sponsoring FOSS works. In fact sponsorship of such a case might included what project you'd like your return percentage to go to...
While MS is all on about how much better they are or going to be, the fact of the matter is that you'll get there, where YOU want to go, sooner by going more direct and without incompatable file formats, DRM type of constraints, etc..
How often does a company use a cracked version of some sofware package that they actually purchased, so to avoid the problems of the additional protection complexity?
when downloading and the isp drops your dialup connection, firefox still thinks it is DL'ing, even hours later.
On a 90meg file (over 9 hours of dl'ing with earthlinks advertised 56k, 28.8 at the very best) gettng a dropped carrier at 60% reall sucks, having no resume, especially considering there is existing wget -c that simply should be called to handle such large files.
But here is the kicker: after resuming the DL via wget -c and getting it, I then needed to dl an unrar program, upon which I found firefox still acting like it was dl'ing teh file, so I canceled it and guess what? The 90meg file vanished.
Icing on this issue: firefox was dling a file with.part appened, yet deleted a file w/o it.
"... writing software is not easy, and it is not written to solve problems created by the same, nor does it have anything to do with interfaces per se. Then there is the flawed anagram about the numeral system, what does that have to do anything with it?
It is a surprise you have the fucking guts to not post as anonymous coward. Since when are persons attacked on posting anonymously anyway? It's hard enough to start off with 0 points in the first place. "
Your arguement is a collection of non-sequiters (sp?)
Tell you what, lets make software to solve problems created by software, give it an easy HCI and we might just for kicks program it to do math, even having a place holder of 0 to start from.
or would that like be speaking heritic, or visual basic or..... holy holy visual studio.net....
or is it really just a matter of the genuine science of "abstraction physics". (do a google);)
I believe the matter was regarding the assumption that the battle against software patents cannot be won. But it most certainly can and will be won. Running from the battle field, hiding behind anon. helps how? Or which side? The proprietary side? The open source side? or those who are of the first and the last, the first to consider, the last to receive, those with the greatest power of all parties... the Consumer and their choice, MAKES three sides, NOT two, to choose from.
Yeah, and that explains why swinging sideways on a swing also got a patent and I think everyone has heard about the patent on a wheel.
But it is a very good example exposing how badly the USPTO has gotten about granting patents.
software is not patentable anymore then natural law, physical phenomenon, abstract ideas, mathmatical algorythims, etc... the things we can either not claim ownership to or are otherwise unenforceable, due to common nature.... like the common nature of man to create abstractions so to further advance his knowledge...... and deception....
but its just believable without checking for why!!! I think thats the real point...
Does it sound like something MS would do? Or is it just a mask for halloween again
go ahead and do a clean MS OS install and run anti-spyware on it. I know adaware will find spyware that does track what teh user does on teh internet and sends it back, eventually getting to MS, but thru alexia or whatever the spyware company is..
There is no boy yelling wolf here, for the whole town already knows about the wolf and that making up jokes about him is really rather harmless, if not just a way to help releave the wolf created stress.
I think it interesting that such support is comming from Bill Gates as it has been made clear that he built his business on the idea of making people need you as in selling them a fish, rather than teaching them to fish.
There is what I call the manifestation of the user frustration function in MS software. The result of the application of such selling fish mindset.
Quantity is the MS product target, not quality.
You can make the installation and activation of a light and heat emitting device so complicated that it takes specialized hired help to use it, or you can buy an inexpensive light bulb, screw it in yourself and flip the wall mounted light switch.
Just how much (quantity) of education do you suppose Bill is refering to? and What quality is dismissed by he?
maybe I should have to read everything Bill Gates ever said to make a fair judgement on this? Or maybe I can just rely on my real life experience with MS products and lack of competition (over the last decade or so) as to what to expect from he.
Hmmm, isn't he a college dropout?
Doesn't take much education to learn to lie to people. Honesty is a great deal harder.
Hmmm, maybe the world economy will bloom if everyone just learns to lie and apply it. If MS is any example...
Where the fact of the matter is that it has gotten out that a clean MS OS install does indeed include spyware that tracks what and where users go on the internet.
This is a classic and really really should be put up on billboards in exposure of MSs intentional deception. The calling some competition, something it is not, when in fact it is MS that is guilty of the very claim it is making against another.
I coin (heads or tails) the term "Bit flipping" as it applies to such deception.
For proper use of the term -- i.e. Microsoft is a bit flipper regarding truth.
you have a choice, but you may not like it, because it requires full out honesty about software, and that is something you may not be willing to do.
To prove that software is not patentable means that it must be made easy enough to create that its common for anyone to do so, just as it is common for people to use a calculator, probably instead of doing the math manually.
Can software be automated to such a point?
Absolutely, in fact that the is the ultimate goal of the act of programming:
Programming is the act of automating complexity, typically made up of a collection of previously automated complexities (machine language is perhaps the baseline of this process) but programming is done so to make the complexity easy for the user to use and reuse, thru a simple to use interface. This is a recursive act such that complexities you create simplified interfaces to could be used in teh creation of even more automation...
Ultimately reaching the goal of programming is a working yourself out of a job, in a way. But you have to ask yourself, do you really want to have been using the roman numeral system instead of teh simpler and more powerful hindu-arabic decimal system?
Point being, your vested interest in your career of being a programmer is perhaps keeping you from the honesty of the purpose and goal of programming enough to lie to the general public as you and many others in your situation, proprietary and open source have both lied so to protect your trade, as the roman numeral accountants argued "how can nothing have value -- regarding the zero place holder" so to protect their social standing and industry.
Its easy to beat the software patent arguement, if you are honest about it.
It is no supprise that you post as Anonymous Coward.
Note: without the decimal system and its zero place holder, you wouldn't have computers to program.... maybe you should think about what industry(s) you are preventing from evolving, not to mention the benefits you might receive of such industries.
...intellectual property granting, licensings is a legal oriented document of agreement. Though there are things in any legal document that might be non-binding due to priority of other legal issues, the point is, is that it is a document of agreement by those who use it.
No document should be able to allow the signing away of natural human rights or such rights that fit needed freedoms in any given economic environment, such as a fair competition economic environment (i.e. probably quite a few of MS's created agreements with OEMs, etc.. contridicting fair competition as was presented in the DOJ vs. MS case..)
But here is the key point:
"..if we didn't build upon what those before us have done, we then would not advance at all, but rather be like any other mammal incapable of anything more than, at best, first level abstraction. But we are more, and as such have the natural human right and duty to advance in such a manner."
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..... consumer choice....
If not then all the comments regarding right and wrong of the insidence and its exposure is genuinely without a just foundation.
When shit hits the fan.... its splatters everywhere.
Better to identify the party who thru the shit at the fan in the first place. Rather than argueing over who got hit or not.
What Gates really wants is just the permission to work with OSS..but he doesn't know how.
VCs simply are not that smart.
Come one guys, lets consider the coder base difference between Open Source and Proprietary, what the adverage coder earns for his work.
Let me suggest that VC's, if provided a free worker base, would still manage to lose money for the most part.
Isn't that what this is really saying?
Open source is done in a mode of sharing code, and this includes the benefit of not having to start from scratch.
If you cannot take something of such nature and cause improvement to hapren that are of benefit in value return to you, then you genuinely are not very smart.
Maybe neither are those who get VCs to give them money and then fail.
NASA stories of recent seems to suggest they have something of a clue.
Here is an example:
who would find benefit in investing in GIMP? or CUPS improvements?
Printer and paper supply companies.
Investing in FOSS to improve the market for another product.
And what would anyone object to having such investors/sponsors lised in the "about" menu item and any other place that is non-interfering with the operation of teh application?
How about computer hardware vendors... Providing a FOSS OS with their system has to have some value in improving price performance of their product.
Seems to me there is a large failure to understand indirect profiting off of FOSS, cept for maybe those who pursue system support.
The Big question: How do you profit off of that which is free?
A: Indirectly.
Just as Open Source tracks code contributions, it can and should track sponsors. A matter of credit where credit is due.
A cheap sweetner used in many food products and mostly associated with the non-food product of softdrinks or sugar water.
Research has shown that HFCS can contribute as much as 1/3 to high triglicerides (FAT) in your blood and body.
Having never weighed above 140 in my pre 40 years, I was supprised to be scaling out at 200 a couple years ago. Both my Family doctor and Chiropractor wanted me to lower my triglicerides, lose weight. Otherwise my family doctor was going to put me on meds for that besides colesterol.
I heard about the report, took HFCS out of my diet, dropped 30 Lbs and have pretty much kept it off with any effort. Just the decision to not eat food with HFCS in them.
Good food actually taste alot better.
So it really depends on what you are eating to be a bit overweight, as to how healthy you are...
Hmmm, don't geeks generally eat the wrong foods?
interesting how the parent has been mod'ed first insightful, then flamebait (though no flames) and then overated and finally interesting... I think I messed something, cause it don't add up beginning with a value of two.
At any rate...
The Exodus is another interesting story, as its plenty clear that the landscape included volcanic activity... everything from water turning to blood (clay-silt) to the insects, hail of fire, the guiding signs of smoke in day and fire at night.... crossing the river with good timing (like old faithful in yellowstone park) to fish whatever from the sky... it all in the sequence of natural events triggering the next...
And Moses brother, a salesman that leaves a tinge of "after sleeping on it" distrust.... and Moses knew this and used it.
Egypt has a lawsuit against the jews today for massive theift, the evidence is the jews own Torah. Search google...
reading of teh time before moses, how the jews got into egypt in the first place - they were invited and given the best of the land..... when told that they would have to gather their own grass for brick making,,,, the egyptians were simply tired of collecting up grass for the jews to do the job they were hired and paid for, when the jews were taking it home to feed their livestock instead...
I read that story in the Torah (interesing how the torah is more readable than the bible..)
Anyways, being a carpenter I actually fully understood the non-miracle of the event.
What occured to me afterwards is that people back then had teh same eyesight problems as they do today, but today we have corrective vision tools, like glasses and lasic surgery.
But the story is really quite interesting. From it is easy to deduct that they were falling the trees away from the river. (Falling is a term to describe the cutting the last part of the tree from the opposite side in which you want it to fall, so not to get your axe stuck as the tree begins to.) As such the, the swing was such that the axe head, upon comming lose during a swing, went into the rapidly flowing river - a little bit of white water - enough to block clear sight of the axe head, especially if you have bad eyesight to begin with.
But the Master/lord saw where it was, and grabbing a forked branch (of which there were plenty of - a by-product of cutting trees down) and put it into the water to hook it into the fork.
As the water was moving, such an act caused not only the water to take an altered path, clearing the sight of the axe head for the others to see, but also helped to raise the axe head up to the surface (like skiing on water). But the branch was either not strong enough to lift it out of the water, or such an attempt could have been to risky, as the rushing water may have been helping to keep the axe head in place in the stick fork.
Being the that lord (landlord??) was holding this stick, he probably couldn't reach the axe head himself, so told one of the others to grab it.
How do you feed alot of people?
Q: are people that stupid to follow someone for an extended period of time without taking some food with them? NO! But considering why they were following Jesus (to learn how to excape the dishonesty of society) they just needed an excuse to be able to eat what they brought without letting others know what they had brought (so to better avoid possible attempts to steal from them). The solution: pass a basket around that will allow or provide an excuse as to where they got their own food from...in teh eyes of those "others" around them.
There is plenty more commn sense explainations to the "miracles"... from walking on water to turning water to wine...... many of which are related to common knowledge of an experienced carpenter/boat builder.. of that time. - a vessel in which wine was made, when emptied, still contains residue that adding water to will help wash out giving color and taste to teh water - where at a wedding there is no need for alcohol in order to get drunk with the event. Was Jesus a surfer? Cetrtainly he understood wood and floatability and what happens when you walf to the end of a surfboard.... and the eyesight problem of an observer at a distance.
Perhaps any writtings newly exposed will help to show this.
Is that "the time is at hand" a reference to something being a matter of time, or is it a statement of choice, and the ability to do it now or later.?
Talking bush? There is a type of bush that produces some sort fo burnable oil on it leaves and can be set a fire -- cooler blue flame -- without burning the bush.
But Talking.... Well when you have the world listening to a lying president, hearing the illusuion of war drums and believing them, is it really so hard to believe bicameral mind (search google for julian jaynes work) voices can exist?
In the movie and entertainment business special effects are created all the time.... 50 foot tall cross walking out of a tomb..... easy as pie...
Hmmmm, what was the nature of alot of the writting being now exposed?????
... and I should know.
.... Forget IT!
Here's how it happens:
If I don't hear something I might like, then I certainly won't buy it. Be it new or old... out of sight (sound) out of mind.
There was some CD compilation someone I knew did many quite a few years ago of some 80's stuff that I happened to like most all of it. This was pirated, but it put the sounds to mind and I was considering buying some of the CDs.
But then all hell broke lose with the music industry greed crap and I said
Now When I find something I like I try to buyt it directly from the Artist. If I can't, then I reconsider buying at all.
So yeah, P2P and all the other greedy crap of an industry burning both ends of its only candle.... will be replaced with a more profitable to the artists internet based marketing direction that even broke artists can afford to do themselves.
And the benefit of doing such when entering the market is that new artists can risk less as they try to build a following, and for those who do build a following they then have negoating power in dealing with the MPAA boys.
And whether or not those boys like it, they can't so easily rip off artist in some subsidizing new risks with profits from the proven or established artist, scam, AS THEY HAVE BEEN DOING.
The successful artists should not be forced to sponsor risks of new artists, where the only ones sure to be paid are those running the MPAA.
Like stock brokers, and lawyers.... win or lose they get paid.
IS this why I'm now getting popups in firefox when I have the popup filter on?
as soon as you draw a line between what can and can not be said on the internet, you will have people playing manipulation games and that where things get messy.
But if the first admendment is adheard to, then everyone can pull the same shit and that makes it more fair (though dishonesty is not a supporter of fairness) than otherwise.
Perhaps what laws need to change are those regarding dishonesty, libel, slander, etc,.
For example, I'm sure the FOSS community would benefit if there were such laws and awards against those commiting lies against it.
Proprietary vs. OSS is a much bigger battle ground .
sponsorships for funding of libel suits against such slanderers.
Recall what Mozilla firefox got for advertising!
And of course it'd be done thru EFF...
proceeds of the winning would of course go towards sponsoring FOSS works. In fact sponsorship of such a case might included what project you'd like your return percentage to go to...
is there anything on that ??? newsite that I can't find elsewhere else that would be of interest to me?
How about if I point to other italian news sites?
Sounds like intent to steal via deception.
He was told it was OK to bring the GPL code in and then they claim ownership of it because of an agreement they signed with him?
Buy anti-spyware software and get a product that does nothing.
......
Use free anti-spyware software and get something that works.
On a risk level, is it worth spending the money?
Now I know there was research done between Free and commercial anti-spyware that showed that free software worked better, but
I guess this is a real strong statement regarding obvious motives between the two...
Besides, should anyone have to pay for protection against thse with intents to invade privacy?
What a racket.... Now If I can just convince someone to turn off the MS anti-spyware update notices intrupting my work flow.
While MS is all on about how much better they are or going to be, the fact of the matter is that you'll get there, where YOU want to go, sooner by going more direct and without incompatable file formats, DRM type of constraints, etc..
How often does a company use a cracked version of some sofware package that they actually purchased, so to avoid the problems of the additional protection complexity?
Ok, what about the ad campaign funding???
.part appened, yet deleted a file w/o it.
Oh, you mean about software improvements?
Here's a serious one:
when downloading and the isp drops your dialup connection, firefox still thinks it is DL'ing, even hours later.
On a 90meg file (over 9 hours of dl'ing with earthlinks advertised 56k, 28.8 at the very best) gettng a dropped carrier at 60% reall sucks, having no resume, especially considering there is existing wget -c that simply should be called to handle such large files.
But here is the kicker:
after resuming the DL via wget -c and getting it, I then needed to dl an unrar program, upon which I found firefox still acting like it was dl'ing teh file, so I canceled it and guess what? The 90meg file vanished.
Icing on this issue:
firefox was dling a file with
IS this what is ment by community support?
person who has not in their vocabulary the words to decribe what it is you are trying to commnicate to them?
according to the article you have to speak in their language....
Hmmmmph....
remove the applications and look at just the OS and what do you have?
Perhaps teh real question is not "What OS?" but rather "what total system are you more productive with?"
And a step beyond that is to ask "what whould you need to be more productive - in OS and Apps?"
"... writing software is not easy, and it is not written to solve problems created by the same, nor does it have anything to do with interfaces per se. Then there is the flawed anagram about the numeral system, what does that have to do anything with it?
..... holy holy visual studio .net....
;)
It is a surprise you have the fucking guts to not post as anonymous coward. Since when are persons attacked on posting anonymously anyway? It's hard enough to start off with 0 points in the first place.
"
Your arguement is a collection of non-sequiters (sp?)
Tell you what, lets make software to solve problems created by software, give it an easy HCI and we might just for kicks program it to do math, even having a place holder of 0 to start from.
or would that like be speaking heritic, or visual basic or
or is it really just a matter of the genuine science of "abstraction physics". (do a google)
I believe the matter was regarding the assumption that the battle against software patents cannot be won. But it most certainly can and will be won. Running from the battle field, hiding behind anon. helps how? Or which side? The proprietary side? The open source side? or those who are of the first and the last, the first to consider, the last to receive, those with the greatest power of all parties... the Consumer and their choice, MAKES three sides, NOT two, to choose from.
Yeah, and that explains why swinging sideways on a swing also got a patent and I think everyone has heard about the patent on a wheel.
But it is a very good example exposing how badly the USPTO has gotten about granting patents.
software is not patentable anymore then natural law, physical phenomenon, abstract ideas, mathmatical algorythims, etc... the things we can either not claim ownership to or are otherwise unenforceable, due to common nature.... like the common nature of man to create abstractions so to further advance his knowledge...... and deception....
but its just believable without checking for why!!! I think thats the real point...
Does it sound like something MS would do?
Or is it just a mask for halloween again
go ahead and do a clean MS OS install and run anti-spyware on it. I know adaware will find spyware that does track what teh user does on teh internet and sends it back, eventually getting to MS, but thru alexia or whatever the spyware company is..
There is no boy yelling wolf here, for the whole town already knows about the wolf and that making up jokes about him is really rather harmless, if not just a way to help releave the wolf created stress.
But I can yell entrapment....can't I?
I think it interesting that such support is comming from Bill Gates as it has been made clear that he built his business on the idea of making people need you as in selling them a fish, rather than teaching them to fish.
There is what I call the manifestation of the user frustration function in MS software. The result of the application of such selling fish mindset.
Quantity is the MS product target, not quality.
You can make the installation and activation of a light and heat emitting device so complicated that it takes specialized hired help to use it, or you can buy an inexpensive light bulb, screw it in yourself and flip the wall mounted light switch.
Just how much (quantity) of education do you suppose Bill is refering to? and What quality is dismissed by he?
maybe I should have to read everything Bill Gates ever said to make a fair judgement on this? Or maybe I can just rely on my real life experience with MS products and lack of competition (over the last decade or so) as to what to expect from he.
Hmmm, isn't he a college dropout?
Doesn't take much education to learn to lie to people. Honesty is a great deal harder.
Hmmm, maybe the world economy will bloom if everyone just learns to lie and apply it. If MS is any example...
Where the fact of the matter is that it has gotten out that a clean MS OS install does indeed include spyware that tracks what and where users go on the internet.
This is a classic and really really should be put up on billboards in exposure of MSs intentional deception. The calling some competition, something it is not, when in fact it is MS that is guilty of the very claim it is making against another.
I coin (heads or tails) the term "Bit flipping" as it applies to such deception.
For proper use of the term -- i.e. Microsoft is a bit flipper regarding truth.
Anonymous Coward,
you have a choice, but you may not like it, because it requires full out honesty about software, and that is something you may not be willing to do.
To prove that software is not patentable means that it must be made easy enough to create that its common for anyone to do so, just as it is common for people to use a calculator, probably instead of doing the math manually.
Can software be automated to such a point?
Absolutely, in fact that the is the ultimate goal of the act of programming:
Programming is the act of automating complexity, typically made up of a collection of previously automated complexities (machine language is perhaps the baseline of this process) but programming is done so to make the complexity easy for the user to use and reuse, thru a simple to use interface. This is a recursive act such that complexities you create simplified interfaces to could be used in teh creation of even more automation...
Ultimately reaching the goal of programming is a working yourself out of a job, in a way. But you have to ask yourself, do you really want to have been using the roman numeral system instead of teh simpler and more powerful hindu-arabic decimal system?
Point being, your vested interest in your career of being a programmer is perhaps keeping you from the honesty of the purpose and goal of programming enough to lie to the general public as you and many others in your situation, proprietary and open source have both lied so to protect your trade, as the roman numeral accountants argued "how can nothing have value -- regarding the zero place holder" so to protect their social standing and industry.
Its easy to beat the software patent arguement, if you are honest about it.
It is no supprise that you post as Anonymous Coward.
Note: without the decimal system and its zero place holder, you wouldn't have computers to program.... maybe you should think about what industry(s) you are preventing from evolving, not to mention the benefits you might receive of such industries.
...intellectual property granting, licensings is a legal oriented document of agreement. Though there are things in any legal document that might be non-binding due to priority of other legal issues, the point is, is that it is a document of agreement by those who use it.
No document should be able to allow the signing away of natural human rights or such rights that fit needed freedoms in any given economic environment, such as a fair competition economic environment (i.e. probably quite a few of MS's created agreements with OEMs, etc.. contridicting fair competition as was presented in the DOJ vs. MS case..)
But here is the key point:
"..if we didn't build upon what those before us have done, we then would not advance at all, but rather be like any other mammal incapable of anything more than, at best, first level abstraction. But we are more, and as such have the natural human right and duty to advance in such a manner."
from abstraction physics"