FYI it was also the same site that was used to plan the acid attacks against conservatives. There's not just a single case, there's multiple cases where the site was used to plan criminal acts.
Anyways it is very clear to me that you are a morally bankrupt hypocrite that is bending every way possible to try to justify his racist and viewpoints without coming out and actually saying it, so I am going to stop discussing this with you. Have a good life, which from your ass backwards antiquated views I assume is coming toward its end a lot sooner than mine.
If you can't see that both websites are doing the exact same fucking thing, goading and organizing people to violent protest, then you are beyond willfully ignorant, or you haven't actually visited the site and are just going by what you imagine it to be in your head.
You mean where people were discussing on the disruptj20 site about the best ways to commit/engage/etc. Maybe you should spend a bit more time reading, looking through the archived stuff that's sitting out there? That's not something you can pin on the daily stormer, no matter how much you try.
So you go ahead and bend yourself into a pretzel, I'm however going to sleep. So have fun.
Organizing is legal. Organizing to riot isn't legal, if however the site is also being used as a communication path to commit riots which the warrant ap states. Well now, you were awake in your high school civics class weren't you?
Oh boy! Identity politics here we come! It's so fun labeling everyone but me as a nazi. All I see is nazi's everywhere.
So by your logic, all the web sites associated with the alt-right should get a similar order because there was an actual terrorist attack here in the US where someone was killed and a bunch of people got hurt. That is a much bigger crime then a riot.
So by my logic, where was this terrorist attack in the US and where was it planned? Right. It wasn't a terrorist attack, anymore then the guy who hit a bunch of people in times square a few months back because he was drunk at the wheel. If you really want to go down that path, then by all means. Because that would also mean when antifa, bamn, and so on decided to have their little riots in California, that was also a terrorist attack. Do you really want to start going down that path, or shall we dump the identity politics.
I can't help but wonder. If there was a collection of data on alt-right/Nazi sites, would you be on that list?
Personally, I can't help to wonder how far you got in life being this dense.
Apparently you can't read, see that "at the point of repeating myself." That really isn't my problem, or that you didn't continue reading the rest of the posts.
"Narrow scope" (defined & specific) is one of the legal requirements for a valid search warrant.
Sure is, it's just my bad phrasing. So let's clear that up. Remember that defined and specific, would fall within the narrow scope of the request. Since the site was used to plan and commit a felony. And you have multiple people who've been arrested and are now trying to plea their way out, and are spilling info. That info would allow for the "broad scope" of requesting all the information, because the people who committed the crimes can only be proven by either word of mouth of those trying to get a plea. In requesting that to prove other crimes were committed, it becomes a narrow threshold.
The search warrant is overly broad. Any sensible judge should either disallow the search warrant or order it to be limited to those who were arrested for rioting/vandalism during Trump's inauguration.
Nope. See this is the part people forget about when investigations are happening. They like have video or photographic evidence of other parties being involved in other crimes. Some of the people charged with felony rioting like are trying to cop a plea to a lower amount then "upto 10 years in prison." So they've spilled the beans on where they organized, and other people they went with/traveled with/did shit with. That means it's actually in scope of the warrant, because they have other known parties with faces. But are unable to put names to those faces.
But wait... weren't you just defending nazis right to free speech and telling me that saying you were going to do stuff on the internet was not the same as actually doing it? Whoops. To be clear, I'm going to be 100% morally consistent (unlike you) in my viewpoint because I don't think that the visitors to the Daily Stormer should be given up, just that their website be taken down. Same thing here, if the site was used to incite criminal activity it should be taken down.
To be clear, I am being morally consistent. Those nazi's do have the right to free speech. I however didn't say that "were going to do stuff on the internet was not the same as actually doing it?" You don't seem to get the difference here either.
So with being morally consistent still: There's no case for any info from the daily stormer because there's no evidence of a crime having been committed from that website. Their only claim to fame, has been publishing something that was tasteless and hurt peoples feelings. The disruptj20 site however was being used to incite criminal activity, and that's why they want the info.
On its face this warrant seems overly broad. If you are looking for bad actors who actually threatened or cause physical harm/disruption - then use regular police work to fid that out.
They did, that's why 230+ people were arrested with felony rioting. They want the info of the website, because those people are linked directly to it and that's where they planned what they did. At the point of repeating myself, this is no different then if someone had been operating a server with child porn. They'd also want all the information relating to it and of course most people wouldn't have a problem with that either.
I think you mean hate speech is legal in the US. Organizing protests, and objecting are also legal. Using a website however to plan a riot or commit any crime? That's illegal, and that's why they want the info.
So then, the DoJ should also go after all the site, and people on those sites, that Fields, or whatever the guy's name is, who used his car as weapon of mass destruction as well. I'm assuming you have no problem with that as well, right? Guilt by association? Though-crime even?
So you've got proof that this guy engaged in a premeditated act? No? See that difference right there. They went to DC with the purpose of doing what they did, that's the fundamental difference between the two. This isn't rocket surgery by any stretch.
Then again, to shift gears into the "guilt by association" bit, after the 2 terrorist attacks in Canada, several muslim groups came out saying that all mosques should be under 24hr surveillance. That was really fun to watch as the left up here turned themselves into pretzels over.
As the web hosting company for the (suspected) criminal website for the group 'Resistance' where are they going to get visitor's pictures?
They uploaded them, so they could recognize each other. Which of course borders on just fucking brilliant of course. One of the reasons why clearance rates for crimes are going up, stupid people.
Nope. But that doesn't mean when you're filing for a warrant with a site that's involved in criminal activity such as "organizing a riot" that you use a narrow scope. The broadness isn't beyond the reasonable scope considering the number of people and felonies. In fact, the broadness of what they're asking for isn't any different then if someone had operated a server which was hosting child porn. They'd want exactly the same thing, and I can bet that nearly every single person here would have no problems with it.
But this is the whole point of why it's before and being argued before the court. And I'll bet a shiny $0.01(before we got rid of them), that the reason that most people will be against this is "because Trump" and "because not child porn."
And what's missing from the summary? That, the site in question was used by the people who rioted in Washington, DC. (or this link for those that get upset because 'fox') That those 230 people were tied in some way to the disruptj20 site, according to the requested info which the verge happily leaves out. You can find it easily enough with a search.
But it seems like they want all the info, which isn't a surprise. After all, this is relating to felony rioting. And it wouldn't surprise me if it has something to do with the other idiots that wanted to use a chemical attack at several other events in the DC area.
Oh no, muh statues! History will surely mark this as one of the greatest atrocities of all time, tearing down statues of traitors to the country that were only erected 50+ years after the war as a not-so-subtle message to black people during the Jim Crow era. I think we'll be just fine.
Oh how very funny. Strange, it seems I've been transported back to 1933, where citizens are rallying and cheering the destruction of statues. So what's next on your agenda? Burning books because they have bad words in them?
Good thing you're out there proclaiming for all to know that you're just another type of fascist.
The problem is that some white males are just making things worse by fighting the people trying to help them.
Sure, because hiring someone based on their skin colour or their *sparkle* special flavor of sexuality this week *sparkle* and not their skill is really helping everyone.
No, SJWs won't rest until everyone is treated equitably regardless of age, race, color, gender, or sexual identity. The horror!
So tell me something, what's equal about hiring the trans black lesbian with no experience over the person with 8 years experience? Yeah, I thought so. Now you know why James Damore wrote that 'manifesto' as the media likes to call it.
You know why that happened don't you? Because the police refused them protection. Remember what happened at berkeley? People on the right showed up and people got the shit kicked out of them, and maced. The second time there, known as the "battle for berkeley" was when the right showed up willing to defend themselves, and the little antifa and bamn shits learned what happens when you can't disappear into a crowd when you're assaulting people with bottles, bricks, sticks, steel bars, and bike locks.
Now we see what's happened this weekend, when people on the right. Irregardless of what you think of their views show up and expect violence because the police will not separate the crowd or do their jobs because they were ordered not to. Just like at Berkeley...twice. But look at Seattle, where both sides ended up being separated by police, oh and the police seized multiple weapons from antfa.
Not been paying attention? When they hold black supremacy ideals, and want to kill whites. Several leaders of their groups have espoused such opinions and views. Sorry no difference. Just like the black panthers are akin of neo nazi's.
The entire purpose of attacking BLM and Antifa is to create a false moral equivalency so the Neo-nazis don't look so bad.
Really? So you're saying when BLM groups were rioting, calling for dead whitey, and so on, and antifa were rioting, assaulting people and so on. This is to create a false equivalence? Or maybe you should be looking and seeing that there's no real difference between the extremism on either side, but it was those on the left that managed to start this shitstorm in the first place.
"Oh yes, they're violent, but yeah no, some antifa and blm guys rioted, and beat someone to near death, so it's like totally the same."
Interesting conspiracy theory. Are you claiming that all the protesters were paid to pretend to be Nazis and nationalist and KKK members, or just the Nazis and the others were genuine nationalists and KKK members?
Nope, I didn't say that. But there's definitely some "odd" people there, you know the ones that don't seem to fit with their brand new flags.
From the SLPC link you posted, but apparently didn't read:
That's the same SLPC that says a cartoon frog is a hate symbol too. And the same one that can't keep up to date on his own stuff, when he's still spouting off on leftist talking points right up until Nov. 2016.
By the way, working for CNN doesn't make you a leftist.
No, it doesn't. It more then likely does when you're doing their poll work for them though.
By the way, have to actually looked at the Traditionalist Workers Party Facebook page?
And also chalk full of communist-nationalist imagery. This might come as a shock to you, but there are fundamental similarities between the two because they both have a similar back ground.
So, now that you actually are in the history books beside "sympathizers" as the left go around destroying statues like ISIS, would you like to try again? If you think that this is going to fix anything at all, you're wrong. But you're actively supporting bigotry.
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FYI it was also the same site that was used to plan the acid attacks against conservatives. There's not just a single case, there's multiple cases where the site was used to plan criminal acts.
Anyways it is very clear to me that you are a morally bankrupt hypocrite that is bending every way possible to try to justify his racist and viewpoints without coming out and actually saying it, so I am going to stop discussing this with you. Have a good life, which from your ass backwards antiquated views I assume is coming toward its end a lot sooner than mine.
Really? Because this is the stuff you're defending. That's the site they were planning it on.
Yep, you really are an idiot who believes in defending people who are planning terrorist attacks.
They haven't even named any suspects or particular crimes related to the website. Would you like to take back your comments now?
Maybe you'd rather do that?
If you can't see that both websites are doing the exact same fucking thing, goading and organizing people to violent protest, then you are beyond willfully ignorant, or you haven't actually visited the site and are just going by what you imagine it to be in your head.
You mean where people were discussing on the disruptj20 site about the best ways to commit/engage/etc. Maybe you should spend a bit more time reading, looking through the archived stuff that's sitting out there? That's not something you can pin on the daily stormer, no matter how much you try.
So you go ahead and bend yourself into a pretzel, I'm however going to sleep. So have fun.
Organizing is legal. Organizing to riot isn't legal, if however the site is also being used as a communication path to commit riots which the warrant ap states. Well now, you were awake in your high school civics class weren't you?
Neo-Nazi much?
Oh boy! Identity politics here we come! It's so fun labeling everyone but me as a nazi. All I see is nazi's everywhere.
So by your logic, all the web sites associated with the alt-right should get a similar order because there was an actual terrorist attack here in the US where someone was killed and a bunch of people got hurt. That is a much bigger crime then a riot.
So by my logic, where was this terrorist attack in the US and where was it planned? Right. It wasn't a terrorist attack, anymore then the guy who hit a bunch of people in times square a few months back because he was drunk at the wheel. If you really want to go down that path, then by all means. Because that would also mean when antifa, bamn, and so on decided to have their little riots in California, that was also a terrorist attack. Do you really want to start going down that path, or shall we dump the identity politics.
I can't help but wonder. If there was a collection of data on alt-right/Nazi sites, would you be on that list?
Personally, I can't help to wonder how far you got in life being this dense.
Appeal to child porn. You lost all credibility.
Apparently you can't read, see that "at the point of repeating myself." That really isn't my problem, or that you didn't continue reading the rest of the posts.
"Narrow scope" (defined & specific) is one of the legal requirements for a valid search warrant.
Sure is, it's just my bad phrasing. So let's clear that up. Remember that defined and specific, would fall within the narrow scope of the request. Since the site was used to plan and commit a felony. And you have multiple people who've been arrested and are now trying to plea their way out, and are spilling info. That info would allow for the "broad scope" of requesting all the information, because the people who committed the crimes can only be proven by either word of mouth of those trying to get a plea. In requesting that to prove other crimes were committed, it becomes a narrow threshold.
The search warrant is overly broad. Any sensible judge should either disallow the search warrant or order it to be limited to those who were arrested for rioting/vandalism during Trump's inauguration.
Nope. See this is the part people forget about when investigations are happening. They like have video or photographic evidence of other parties being involved in other crimes. Some of the people charged with felony rioting like are trying to cop a plea to a lower amount then "upto 10 years in prison." So they've spilled the beans on where they organized, and other people they went with/traveled with/did shit with. That means it's actually in scope of the warrant, because they have other known parties with faces. But are unable to put names to those faces.
But wait... weren't you just defending nazis right to free speech and telling me that saying you were going to do stuff on the internet was not the same as actually doing it? Whoops. To be clear, I'm going to be 100% morally consistent (unlike you) in my viewpoint because I don't think that the visitors to the Daily Stormer should be given up, just that their website be taken down. Same thing here, if the site was used to incite criminal activity it should be taken down.
To be clear, I am being morally consistent. Those nazi's do have the right to free speech. I however didn't say that "were going to do stuff on the internet was not the same as actually doing it?" You don't seem to get the difference here either.
So with being morally consistent still: There's no case for any info from the daily stormer because there's no evidence of a crime having been committed from that website. Their only claim to fame, has been publishing something that was tasteless and hurt peoples feelings. The disruptj20 site however was being used to incite criminal activity, and that's why they want the info.
This isn't hard to figure out.
On its face this warrant seems overly broad. If you are looking for bad actors who actually threatened or cause physical harm/disruption - then use regular police work to fid that out.
They did, that's why 230+ people were arrested with felony rioting. They want the info of the website, because those people are linked directly to it and that's where they planned what they did. At the point of repeating myself, this is no different then if someone had been operating a server with child porn. They'd also want all the information relating to it and of course most people wouldn't have a problem with that either.
I think you mean hate speech is legal in the US. Organizing protests, and objecting are also legal. Using a website however to plan a riot or commit any crime? That's illegal, and that's why they want the info.
So then, the DoJ should also go after all the site, and people on those sites, that Fields, or whatever the guy's name is, who used his car as weapon of mass destruction as well. I'm assuming you have no problem with that as well, right? Guilt by association? Though-crime even?
So you've got proof that this guy engaged in a premeditated act? No? See that difference right there. They went to DC with the purpose of doing what they did, that's the fundamental difference between the two. This isn't rocket surgery by any stretch.
Then again, to shift gears into the "guilt by association" bit, after the 2 terrorist attacks in Canada, several muslim groups came out saying that all mosques should be under 24hr surveillance. That was really fun to watch as the left up here turned themselves into pretzels over.
As the web hosting company for the (suspected) criminal website for the group 'Resistance' where are they going to get visitor's pictures?
They uploaded them, so they could recognize each other. Which of course borders on just fucking brilliant of course. One of the reasons why clearance rates for crimes are going up, stupid people.
Were there 1.3 million rioters?
Nope. But that doesn't mean when you're filing for a warrant with a site that's involved in criminal activity such as "organizing a riot" that you use a narrow scope. The broadness isn't beyond the reasonable scope considering the number of people and felonies. In fact, the broadness of what they're asking for isn't any different then if someone had operated a server which was hosting child porn. They'd want exactly the same thing, and I can bet that nearly every single person here would have no problems with it.
But this is the whole point of why it's before and being argued before the court. And I'll bet a shiny $0.01(before we got rid of them), that the reason that most people will be against this is "because Trump" and "because not child porn."
And what's missing from the summary? That, the site in question was used by the people who rioted in Washington, DC. (or this link for those that get upset because 'fox') That those 230 people were tied in some way to the disruptj20 site, according to the requested info which the verge happily leaves out. You can find it easily enough with a search.
But it seems like they want all the info, which isn't a surprise. After all, this is relating to felony rioting. And it wouldn't surprise me if it has something to do with the other idiots that wanted to use a chemical attack at several other events in the DC area.
Oh no, muh statues! History will surely mark this as one of the greatest atrocities of all time, tearing down statues of traitors to the country that were only erected 50+ years after the war as a not-so-subtle message to black people during the Jim Crow era. I think we'll be just fine.
Oh how very funny. Strange, it seems I've been transported back to 1933, where citizens are rallying and cheering the destruction of statues. So what's next on your agenda? Burning books because they have bad words in them?
Good thing you're out there proclaiming for all to know that you're just another type of fascist.
The problem is that some white males are just making things worse by fighting the people trying to help them.
Sure, because hiring someone based on their skin colour or their *sparkle* special flavor of sexuality this week *sparkle* and not their skill is really helping everyone.
No, SJWs won't rest until everyone is treated equitably regardless of age, race, color, gender, or sexual identity. The horror!
So tell me something, what's equal about hiring the trans black lesbian with no experience over the person with 8 years experience? Yeah, I thought so. Now you know why James Damore wrote that 'manifesto' as the media likes to call it.
The 5 dead cops in TX, and 2 in Baton Rouge. BLM sure looks like a hate group.
You know why that happened don't you? Because the police refused them protection. Remember what happened at berkeley? People on the right showed up and people got the shit kicked out of them, and maced. The second time there, known as the "battle for berkeley" was when the right showed up willing to defend themselves, and the little antifa and bamn shits learned what happens when you can't disappear into a crowd when you're assaulting people with bottles, bricks, sticks, steel bars, and bike locks.
Now we see what's happened this weekend, when people on the right. Irregardless of what you think of their views show up and expect violence because the police will not separate the crowd or do their jobs because they were ordered not to. Just like at Berkeley...twice. But look at Seattle, where both sides ended up being separated by police, oh and the police seized multiple weapons from antfa.
Except that BLM are nothing like neo Nazis.
Not been paying attention? When they hold black supremacy ideals, and want to kill whites. Several leaders of their groups have espoused such opinions and views. Sorry no difference. Just like the black panthers are akin of neo nazi's.
The entire purpose of attacking BLM and Antifa is to create a false moral equivalency so the Neo-nazis don't look so bad.
Really? So you're saying when BLM groups were rioting, calling for dead whitey, and so on, and antifa were rioting, assaulting people and so on. This is to create a false equivalence? Or maybe you should be looking and seeing that there's no real difference between the extremism on either side, but it was those on the left that managed to start this shitstorm in the first place.
"Oh yes, they're violent, but yeah no, some antifa and blm guys rioted, and beat someone to near death, so it's like totally the same."
Fixed that for you.
No I'm going with you are defending people committing violence and denying that it is happening. That puts you on their side.
Whoooo boy! You sure are enjoying your identity politics.
Interesting conspiracy theory. Are you claiming that all the protesters were paid to pretend to be Nazis and nationalist and KKK members, or just the Nazis and the others were genuine nationalists and KKK members?
Nope, I didn't say that. But there's definitely some "odd" people there, you know the ones that don't seem to fit with their brand new flags.
From the SLPC link you posted, but apparently didn't read:
That's the same SLPC that says a cartoon frog is a hate symbol too. And the same one that can't keep up to date on his own stuff, when he's still spouting off on leftist talking points right up until Nov. 2016.
By the way, working for CNN doesn't make you a leftist.
No, it doesn't. It more then likely does when you're doing their poll work for them though.
By the way, have to actually looked at the Traditionalist Workers Party Facebook page?
And also chalk full of communist-nationalist imagery. This might come as a shock to you, but there are fundamental similarities between the two because they both have a similar back ground.
So, now that you actually are in the history books beside "sympathizers" as the left go around destroying statues like ISIS, would you like to try again? If you think that this is going to fix anything at all, you're wrong. But you're actively supporting bigotry.