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From Google To Yahoo, Tech Grapples With White Male Discontent (bloomberg.com)
Reader joshtops shares a Bloomberg report: Google isn't the only Silicon Valley employer being accused of hostility to white men. Yahoo and Tata Consultancy Services were already fighting discrimination lawsuits brought by white men before Google engineer James Damore ignited a firestorm -- and got himself fired -- with an internal memo criticizing the company's diversity efforts and claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers. The Yahoo case began last year when two men sued, claiming they'd been unfairly fired after managers allegedly manipulated performance evaluations to favor women. They claim Marissa Mayer approved the review process and was involved in their terminations, and last month a judge ordered the former chief executive be deposed. TCS, meanwhile, is fighting three men who claim the Mumbai-based firm discriminates against non-Indians at its U.S. offices.
White males are not very PC today but it's hard to run a company without any of them. The trick is to find a balance where you treat them shitty enough to make the left happy but not so shitty they go somewhere more tolerant.
I gotta say, I get treated pretty nicely. When I was a twenty-something I was really resentful because I couldn't figure out how to get dates. I want to believe that there is more to this kerfuffle than that, but I really just don't get it. Why are my youthful brethren so discontent?
The memo not only does NOT make the claim that women are less suited to tech roles and leadership roles, it makes the counter claim, that men have designed those roles to make them less friendly to women and that by altering those roles we can improve diversity and decrease the gender gap.
But I've yet to see a single neoliberal source treat the memo honestly, every neoliberal source I've seen treats Damore radically different than his behavior reflects. I don't agree with everything he says, but to claim he is against diversity is straight slander here.
Women in power are quite often downright evil.
I work for a company that deals with TCS here in the states and those jokers are some of the most racist people I have ever worked with.
This is why we voted for TRUMP for protection - we are being oppressed at every turn - WMLM!
But I don't blame any other ethnic group, just politicians.
Irish slurs
The “Google Manifesto”: Bad Biology, Ignorance of Evolutionary Processes, and Privilege
I guess that's a... creative way to avoid telling the truth: GENOCIDE.
Pretend you're gay. You'll gets lots of kudos and become part of a protected class.
Maw! Fire up the karma burner!
Do these companies really think it is that to make males happy? Specifically white males in this particular instance.
Give them a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment. Enough money to live and have sufficient disposable income to be happy.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
What I want to know is how long /. will be repeatedly subjecting us to this matter. Maybe these submissions generate a lot of ad impressions, but they absolutely ruin the quality of the discussion here (not that it's all that good to begin with).
>> claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers.
Come on, He didn't make such a claim. He said biology may play a part in women's preferences in choosing to go into the field.
maybe you should say the same to women & other minorities.
This guy is playing up the PC angle but if you read what he's really saying it's pure racism. MY career is great and it's all because of my skills. If there are no black guys in the SV then they're probably just shitty engineers.
With a CS degree who can't find work as a programmer. It's got nothing to do with skin color or sex. None of us can compete with India. Sad thing is a lot of us voted Trump because he at least have IT workers lip service. Last I heard his plan was to cut back on low skill immigrants in favor of high skill ones. E.g. the ones gunning for the same jobs as me and everyone else reading this post...
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Discrimination.
The kind that have vanished. There's nothing more dangerous than a man, any man, with no job prospects and therefore no marriage prospects.
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I've never experienced this white male discontent that became so popular after Trump got elected. Then again, I grew up in a multicultural Silicon Valley. I don't have a problem with getting on public transit and hearing a dozen languages other than English. I've never been prevented from getting the tech jobs that I wanted. The only time race became an issue was when Cisco only had vegan pizzas at company events to avoid offending the Indians, leaving us meat eaters on the sidelines to go without.
I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Offended somebody
I don't know who
You blame me
For sexism
Hundreds of miles away from where I work
Guilty of Being White (Male)
Guilty of Being White (Male)
Guilty of Being White (Male)
Guilty of Being White (Male)
Neoliberals... who automatically equate killing people with discontent.
You did go through a phase a couple months back where you called people "fags" and "ladyboys." So don't be too busy patting yourself on the back.
Slashdot, that's not what the memo said.
You can agree with the memo or you can't, but at least get the f$#@ing facts straight.
I'm a white male, have been my whole life...
I literally run this county (America), I make all the rules, laws, hiring practices, I mean, I am THE MAN, what do I have to complain about? Nothing, I systematically tilt the balance in my favor in every way, I am winning!
If I am failing in any way it's because my other, richer, white brothers, you probably call them the 1% have gotten greedy and are even starting to squeeze me now in their quest for everything but I assume you in no way do I have anything to complain about.
"patting yourself on the back."
I don't think he can. Have you seen that bag of lard that starts from his chin, goes under his armpits and goes back up behind his neck?
I've never seen *that* muscle at the Mr Olympia.
Yea, that was a helpful thing to say, NOT...
Where I denounce those who use or advocate violence for political gain on all sides, one nutcase's action who's a white male does not invalidate the fact that we've become a country of disadvantaged groups verses those who are "advantaged" (which has been defined as "white male"). Personally, I'm fed up with the implication that I, along with those with white skin and specific kinds of plumbing, are somehow responsible for all the oppression in the world. We are not.
This whole stereotyping white guys as the root of all evil is no different than the racists yelling "black power" or spouting off hatred for the Jews. I've never enslaved anybody, but I'm somehow told to feel guilty because some other white guys did? How's that fair? How's that right? It isn't.... But hey, I'm not allowed to complain because by definition I cannot be oppressed. Sorry, but I grew up in a place where I was in a minority (3% white in my High School), and I can tell you I've been judged for being white, even though my ancestors didn't own slaves, lived in the north and didn't arrive in the USA until AFTER the civil war.
I'm no white supremacist, I'm no better than my classmates from high school, regardless of color, and I don't consider my race or sex to entitle me to better treatment, but dang if I'm going to sit back and just take it from those seeking to hold me responsible for things I didn't do just because I'm white and male.
I've been in the computing industry for decades now. Despite the recent rise of so-called "social justice", things are worse now than they've ever been.
I've worked alongside many women since the 1970s. I've worked alongside open homosexuals, and even some transgendered people, since the 1980s. I've worked with people having every imaginable shade of skin color over the years. And you know what? We all got along fine. We accomplished some great technological achievements. We didn't spend all day fixated on things like gender, sexual preference, and skin color. We had real work to do, and we did this work together.
What we're seeing now is a relatively new phenomenon. It really wasn't an issue in our industry until leftists came in and started segregating people into different groups based on various irrelevant traits.
Before this leftist agitation, the only factor we really cared about was merit. The one and only question that mattered was "Can you get the work done properly, on time and under budget?". It was not "What color is your skin?" or "What gender do you think you are?" or "What kind of sexual intercourse do you prefer?".
Our industry's focus used to be computer hardware and computer software. Now the industry is more focused on penises, vaginas, anal intercourse, sex change operations, and skin color than it is about anything having to do with computing.
I know, I know, somebody will trot out the "Get off my lawn you damn kids!" or "Shaddap, gramps!" or "Remembering the past better than it was." lines. But the reality is that these are recent issues, and they were introduced by leftists. Until these leftists, many of them with absolutely no technical abilities at all, showed up and infiltrated our industry, we had a natural diversity that was unmatched. Leftists manufactured the division that we see today. Before then, the computing industry was far more concerned about merit and ability than it ever was about gender, or sexual preference, or skin color, or other meaningless attributes like those.
Wow. Now imagine we called black people being discriminated against "black discontent."
Slashdot, your bias is leaking.
And here we see you failing to cite any information on what he was wrong or ignorant about.
It's as if there aren't actually good arguments against what he said, and all opponents can do is point and shout "thought criminal!"
You did go through a phase a couple months back where you called people "fags" and "ladyboys."
My Python scraper script only found two references to "fags": one was a reference to cigarettes and the other was the exact comment quoted above. As for ladyboys, what does this have to do with your mother?
I don't know if CNN counts as 'neoliberal,' but I just searched for "CNN google memo," and the first link that came up was this one, which says, "his opinion seems to be that women are underrepresented in tech because of psychological differences between women and men, not because of bias."
A search for "msnbc google manifesto" came up with this as the first search,, which says, "[Damore] claims to explain why more women aren't in engineering positions, chalking up the disparity to "biological" differences, including generalizations that women don't tend to handle stress well and are more neurotic."
That's not an exhaustive search, but I think it shows there is at least some nuance in media coverage.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Please quite stereotyping, it makes you look ignorant.
A short time before AIG ate shit around 10 years ago I interviewed for a job there. I spent two years contract hopping in a seriously depressing low end of my skill level way so I did a lot of interviews during the "burst bubble" era.
I didn't get hired.
I interviewed for the NEXT open position a couple of months later. The manager instantly recognized me and said "I remember you! There's no reason for you to go through the interview process again. You were my personal top pick, but H.R. said I had to hire someone else right now."
About a month LATER I went for another interview there. Same guy, said pretty much the same thing, hinted that it's because I was a white guy and once again I was his top pick from the previous batch of applicants but he wasn't allowed to hire me that time either. The hint was that he needed at least one person of my demographic, possibly two to depart first.
I got a new job that compared rather favorably to my previous stable job before that two years of hell just a couple of months after that. It was about six months after that last interview to AIG that they really ate shit and had to go into recovery mode, so maybe it was a blessing in disguise. It's such a left-wing company and I'm not a part of that culture, so there's an added cushion to the blow of not getting hired.
This was not the only time I've been passed over for being a white guy, it's just the one occasion the person in charge of hiring would actually talk about it. I grew up in a "majority-minority" area and had some straight up racist based job issues there. Even in the school systems the administration would outright tell the minority-whites that they needed to just step back and not participate in things because the "majority-minorities" were going to cause problems for them and it was easier to not have us participate in events than to try to instill discipline and uphold proper discourse.
I now live in an area that's very diverse. I experience far less racism than I used to on a personal level. On an institutional level racism against whites and sexism against males has been on the rise and any mention of it has been met with denial, justification, or retaliation. I'm not in denial of the past. During my grandparents era there was some undeniable racism going on, and whites were the perpetrators. The laws that protected that way of thinking were gone during my parents era and during the modern era a near inverse of my grandparents era is setting upon us. I'm constantly told that this is justifiable fall-out for the days of slavery etc... Even though NONE of us were alive during that era.
There's going to be fall-out from the new racism.
The fallout is going to be reactionary - when I was younger I was actually a bit racist - it was reactionary racism against a class of people who treated me poorly the whole time I grew up among them. Turns out I was growing up among the equivalent to their trailer trash. I now work in a company that's roughly 85% the same national minority as the ones I grew up among, but they're not the trailer trash equivalents and I absolutely enjoy it and love my coworkers. Only a couple have expressed racism against me and most of them were employed for a very short period of time.
Back to reactionary:
Stomping on white people in general, and white males doubly so is going to cause them to start seeking one another out for shared stories initially then forming new groups for strength. Some of these will be purely innocent and the sorts of things that tend to form this way anyways, bowling leagues, cliques that hangout together etc... On the more extreme end - formed either by those with the most traumatic experiences or those that gravitate a little on the racist end of things anyways you're going to get people who organize into actual racist organizations. These new "islands of whiteness" are going to be formed by people who in many cases would be open minded, color blind, maybe even white men who chase after women of other races. When you attack people a demographic - rather they associate or not - they tend to form groups. If you don't want white groups forming don't attack or ostracize them.
The memo stated that women on average have more **INTEREST** towards people and a cooperative environment and that might detract possibly good candidates.
He also suggested to focus more on peer programming and focus on making the environment less cutthroat and more welcoming to everybody.
Minorities certainly face much more difficulty than I do in my industry, as do women. I have absolutely seen people of high skill underpaid because of gender or race, or discounted in hiring by managers. I can certainly understand why minorities and women struggle at times in the tech industry, it is in many ways, set against them.
But other white men? That I have a much harder time swallowing. I have worked at companies owned and run by women and I have never once seen a white man passed up for a position if he had the qualifications. When I hear a white man complaining that he can't get ahead in his career due because of affirmative action then all the evidence I have in my life tells me that that man probably isn't as good at his job as he thinks. I interview people all the time who are not nearly as good at what they do as they think they are, in this case, that seems the most likely scenario... or at least much more likely to be the case than a highly skilled, high performing white man being laid off from a firm.
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I don't think he can. Have you seen that bag of lard that starts from his chin, goes under his armpits and goes back up behind his neck?
I can reach every part of my body. Think football player, not your mama.
You love ladyboys, creimer. This isn't the first time you mention your particular fascination. Look up Jane Marie or Jessica Versace for starters.
You probably didn't even read the memo you entitled little shit. You clearly have a life experience where you get to spout your memorized sound bites without any fear of consequences in spite of the fact that usually you don't even understand what the fuck you're actually saying.
*No where* in the memo does the author claim to be persecuted. In short, the author makes the qualified claim that the culture at Google is an echo chamber where real progress cannot be made until dissenting view points are allowed without fear of reprisal.
*You* and your utter and complete lack of humility with regard to your own *opinions* are exactly the fucking problem. Just get over yourself already, you're just another asshole with an opinion.
"It's not a problem if you don't look up. "
This isn't the first time you mention your particular fascination.
I work with ex-military from the Vietnam era. Bangcock comes up a lot in discussions.
That's in Thailand, and it's spelled
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
But the Freudian slip is noted, creimer.
And just how many ladyboys do you think there were in the 1970s?
OK, I'm thinking of a football player, but all I see is a tub of lard.
so I am very interested to know how white men think they are oppressed in this society. Thank you
with an internal memo criticizing the company's diversity efforts and claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers.
At no point in the memo was this ever stated.
I'm fucking tired of disingenuous assholes trying to spin something that says one thing, into something else to further their agenda.
"I can reach every part of my body."
LOL that sounds like a six year old said that! Not a 350 pound obese middle-aged man with fat flaps on his chest.
Nothing scarier than a room full of disgruntled pencil necked geeks. ;-)
Disagree with the memo all you like, but at least have the integrity to argue against the points it raised instead of making up some bullshit that it didn't say.
Mod me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!
"an internal memo... claiming women are biologically less suited than men to be engineers."
Goddamnit, have you people no shame whatsoever? THE MEMO DOES NOT SAY THIS. Why do you keep on repeating this lie?
He might tell the truth tomorrow.
I thought that was obvious from context but I guess not. It doesn't matter if you're black, white, male, female. What matters is this: will you work for $17/hr or less. Because that's what I see most of the h-1bs doing with their low salaries and 70 hour work weeks...
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1.) He did _NOT_ criticize Googles diversity efforts per se. In fact, he applauded them. He did however express concerns that the way they are executes isn't effective and/or counter-productive to the cause and provided educated conclusions for this presumption.
2.) He did _NOT_ claim that women are biologically less suited for tech jobs. He used solid state-of-the-art scientific research results to find explanations why women might not be interested in taking tech jobs other that the standard arguably totally insuifficient "OGM! WTF! WHITE MALE OPPRESSION OF WOMEN!" narrative/explanation.
Please quit the lying/irresponsible spreading of falsehoods and inform yourself.
Just be an educated slashdotter and question the official group-think narrative. Thank you.
Here's to help you out:
Jordan Peterson interview with James Demore (citations linked in the description of the video)
The actual paper/memo that James Demore wrote
You're welcome.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
..and I'm getting severe eye-strain from rolling my eyes at all these 'discontented white men'. FFS just chill the fuck out and DEAL WITH IT without killing people, you jackasses!
..and I'm getting severe eye-strain from rolling my eyes at all these 'discontented white women'. FFS just chill the fuck out and DEAL WITH IT without firing people, you jackasses!
These days, to get an entry level job as software engineer at Google you have to be the nerdiest of the nerdiest nerds. You have to be the kind of person who wakes up in the morning and thinks about computer algorithms while taking a shower, having breakfast, for the rest of the day, and then as you fall asleep in the evening. Many, if not most, people who get job offers from Google spend months preparing for their interviews: memorizing the standard computer algorithms textbooks front to back, practicing white board coding over and over, etc.
Very few people on this planet are nerdy enough to get a job at Google. Very few men. Very few women. Very few white people. Very few black people. Etc.
Now, if you are somehow nerdy enough to get a job at Google, then you are also nerdy enough to get a job almost anywhere in the software engineering field. Life is good. Jobs are plentiful. In a certain sense, no one at Google should be "discontented" - not the men, not the women, not the white people, not the black people, not the small little furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. Compared to almost everyone else on this planet, software engineers at Google are living lives of extraordinary privilege.
So then why are the women at Google so "discontented" that they have to get one of their colleagues fired for posting some amateur science memo about his opinions on gender differences?
Here: https://slashdot.org/comments.... that work for you? If not then shove it up your ass.
We DESERVE to become extinct. AS A RACE we're a fucking EMBARASSMENT.
So, your argument is that women are underrepresented in IT because of leftists? Like, leftists are actively discouraging women from entering the field?
I'm curious - when in your timeline did the leftists show up and spoil the "unmatched natural diversity" that existed up to that point? Would it be, say, the early 1980s? Because that's when the percentage of female enrollment in comp sci programs began to noticeably decline, from almost 40% down to less than 20% a few years later.
I think it's mostly because people have been told they are under attack and should be angry at anti-white male discrimination.
I get the same thing with immigration. People are supportive when they hear my wife is trying to immigrate, but moments later rant about the being too many immigrants and them not speaking English in public.
In other words there is a disconnect between the idea of immigrants (bad) and the ones they actually know (good), that gets rationalised somehow.
They say "I don't mean you," but they really do. If they didn't know us, just saw her ahead of them in the checkout queue or heard her not speaking English, they would assume the worst.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Well maybe at work you should work instead of discussing which hotel has the best hourly rate, you pervert.
it's sexist.
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And here we have the foundation of hate!
How many people died at the Women's March?
Sorry. You're still the bad guy. And you make us all look bad in the process.
I'm not really sure why you're being moderated flamebait. You're the first person in any of these threads (at least that I've seen) who's provided any evidence (whether its good or not is another argument) to try to refute the memo/manifesto.
Indeed. The irony is that I am sympathetic to Damore's memo. I also regard PLoS highly, and therefore felt it worth sharing their viewpoint. I'll hazard that Slashdot moderators skew male. Their flamebait moderation of a contrarian position affirms Google's policies and undermines Damore's position.
Fun fact - asians outnumber whites in Silicon Valley (36% to 32%), and hispanics are a close third (28%). At one multi-billion dollar company I interviewed at, it was quite apparent that while they would hire white males, if you weren't Indian, you would never advance very far.
Oh my god stop lying. He made no such claim. Stop pushing your agenda down my throat. Fuck
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
It fills the time when he's not making $2/day by dealing with "a living hell."
Is it not as interested or that our society (still) actively discourages women - and especially, school age girls - from tech jobs?
Why can't it be both? In which case, you'd be 100% in alignment with what the memo says.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
When I hear a white man complaining that he can't get ahead in his career due because of affirmative action then all the evidence I have in my life tells me that that man probably isn't as good at his job as he thinks.
In the UK it's legal to hire a woman instead of a man if they're both equally capable on the basis that she's female. The inverse is not true.
You really think that would be enshrined in law if it never happened? Really?
My stint in corporate IT featured shameless prowomen biases. For example, a man would work 10 years for a promotion that would be given to a woman in 2. And *any* woman. Only the most contentious men got promoted, but the bar for women was having a vagina.
I'd didn't really bother me back then, because I was all in with SJWhood. But now I look back at it I'm appalled. Some of the promoted women were twits. Some of the were good. But all of them were promoted. It's shamelessly unfair. But good if you're a woman I suppose.
Like all pain, suffering is a signal that something isn't right
It's amazing that he can deny his physical reality by living in a fantasy world where he's a muscular football player/powerlifter, but hurl a few insults at the idiot and he cracks?
http://www.nber.org/papers/w14...
"By many objective measures the lives of women in the United States have improved over the past 35 years, yet we show that measures of subjective well-being indicate that women's happiness has declined both absolutely and relative to men. The paradox of women's declining relative well-being is found across various datasets, measures of subjective well-being, and is pervasive across demographic groups and industrialized countries. Relative declines in female happiness have eroded a gender gap in happiness in which women in the 1970s typically reported higher subjective well-being than did men. These declines have continued and a new gender gap is emerging -- one with higher subjective well-being for men."
To expand on your point, while this is obviously a complex topic with many possible causes, could part of that decline in overall happiness be the result of well-meaning people encouraging (or even forcing) women to do things they don't really want to do for whatever reason?
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
The difference between you and the complainers is that you have useful skills which have made you employable. The complainers have trouble finding jobs or getting promotions and can't fathom that it's because they suck. They play the victim and lash out, blaming their problems on non-males and non-whites.
It is a proven, verifiable fact that you will get hired at Google if you get a sex change. I am not joking. That is a thing. Look at the numbers. Look at the studies. That's fucking ridiculous.
Let me know when hundreds of thousands of white males are forced to pick cotton all day 6 if not 7 days a week and never get any vacation time. It wasn't a big deal when BJJ lacks were slaves. Let me.know when their kids are being sold off at a young age against their will.
Let me know when they many of them are lynched by mobs without any trial.
How many white males were lynched recently?
Let me know when they aren't allowed to vote. Hey it wasnt a problem for the right when women couldn't vote.
Hey you don't think that was an injustice. Not when it doesn't happen to you. It's only a problem if it happens to someone you feel a connection to.
Just think up to the civil war back in 1862, many snowflakes had no sympathy for any race that was not theirs. Many snowflakes didn't care that humans were being kept as slaves.
Crying about not being offered a job is dumb. Make your own job, at least you have freedom. God forbid you have to have provable value.
Yeah, creimer can reach every part of his body with his special reaching tool for obese people with limited mobility.
This one comes in especially handy when he gets a little randy and needs to... let off a little heavy cream.
From their ads:
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One can safely ignore anything else you have to say whilst waiting for someone who doesn't lie.
So, your argument is that women are underrepresented in IT because of leftists? Like, leftists are actively discouraging women from entering the field?
In a way, this is exactly what happened. Leftists hate STEM because it's the one realm of academia they can't control, so they herd women onto their side of the campus to pursue unmarketable degrees, thereby keeping them out of technical fields in which they would otherwise do better.
> Leftists hate STEM because it's the one realm of academia they can't control
They also hate it because it has roots in the oh-so-white-male Enlightenment, and science isn't really about "truth," it's just a socially-constructed narrative.
Never mind that these idiots who fail to understand real science use the trappings of science to justify their political and philosophical POV... and never mind that most of their social science results can't be replicated.
The left hates science. It imposes itself on them and makes them feeli inferior. I was riding a bus and some black teens were laughing at me, the nerdy white guy in a tie reading a computer book. "Brainiac," they called me.
I asked them if they like video games. They said yes. I said nerds like me make them, don't you think someone has to know how to program to make those games? That shut them up.
So who's your favorite ladyboy, Creimer?
Personally, I'm a fan of a young Dany Evangelista, Kalena Rios, Sasha Hevyn, and Bianca Freire. Those "girls" get me so excited!
Which do you like?
Will take about $100K in surgeries, medical treatments, etc. to make me a woman in tech. Cheap investment in your diversity quota, Google, just saying.
I was once told I was passed over for promotion because the lawyers recommended a woman of darker skin than me was what was needed for the company to meet diversity requirements... I was promised the promotion 6 months later, and got it... but in the meantime, how do you think I felt? Years with the company and the reason was this?
Very large company, I am sure all involved would deny it happened if asked, but they are a household name in tech...
You can't make this shit up.
Have you stopped raping your neighbor's goats yet?
Aaaaand yet another bullshit treatment of that paper. I actually read it and nowhere does it say women are biologically inferior to men in any way. On the contrary, the author suggests that a difference in interests (people vs things) accounts for the low number of women employed in engineering, instead of something biological. This is actually backed by peer-reviewed research.
His critique is pointed at Google's strategy to get more women to apply, which is 'hire all the women and teach them later' instead of a fair application process. He also criticizes the culture at Google, which forbids talking about these things. Them firing him proved him right about that.
Learn to read instead of trusting random screaming ACs on the Internet.
Google Witchhunt is the new human resources app developed by Google. It allows the general public to give a +1 or a -1 score to all current Google employees. Anybody with a Gmail account can login and see a brief bio along with links to the employees social media feeds. Any Google employee that reaches -100,000 is sent an automatic notification that they are fired...
https://myonionarticles.blogspot.ca/2017/08/googles-witchhunt-app-suggests-new-vp.html
Perhaps it is because the blog (not some peer reviewed plos study) you linked to keeps calling it a "manifesto". You would think a phd has done enough research, reading, and writing to realize a well thought out position written to give constructive criticism to an employer is hardly a "manifesto".
I just can't take anyone seriously when they call it that.
I have only worked with a few smart female engineers (in software and mathematics mainly); the rest have been pretty dumb. However, with that being said, that doesn't mean men are superior to women or anything like that. Thinking that is stupid; it just means I personally haven't worked with a good female engineer. Sure, the gender diversity between males/females in tech is drastic; but the same thing is true in education/nursing for women.
Now, as for minorities; there is a group of "tech" people I cannot stand to work with; people from India. Largely because of a few reasons:
- Cultural differences in business (misunderstandings, etc)
- The Indians I've worked with are pretty dumb; I've seen them copy/paste code from GH/SO and claim it as their own
- Lazy, lazy, lazy
Of course, with all that being said; there is no "white superiority"; it just means I've had issues working with a specific culture; they aren't inferior or anything like that....
CAPTCHA: maleness
to imagine that somehow programmers, with all their cleverness, are not the absolutely moral authority of the universe?
Imagine the sighs of relief from all those social science majors who spent their whole careers trying to unravel the complexities of gender dynamics in the workplace when the enlightened computer wizards stepped down to give them this unassailable proclamation of truth - after all, it's science right?
Dare I suggest that most heinous heresy - that the decades of coursework, years of research and mentorship, hands-on studies, whole careers of collaboration and development, can't simply be replaced with a couple of quotations and jumping straight to conclusions?
damn those vegans! Joking aside, they should setup a second table with meat for carnivores, but I'm a meat eater :)
I'm much older now, be about 15 years ago even, I lost out on more than 5 scholarships. Why?
Because I was white and male.
Scholarships, grants, organizations, tax rules, anything based from race, is racism. These need to end otherwise the racism will only continue to grow.
Insightful and sensitive. Thanks
Like fuck this is a tech problem.
This seems to be a problem society in general has. So why focus on tech?
I dunno, nerds make an easy scapegoat
I don't think the Trump base was highly paid STEM workers. There's a lot of white men out there wondering what happened to their world, since they can't do the same as their fathers and grandfathers did and get the same result. It used to be that, if you were healthy and had a good work ethic, and were a white male, you could get a job that would let you own a house and raise a family. That's no longer the case, for a variety of reasons, and it's never going to be the case again short of a collapse of civilization.
Some of them saw the town factory close, and think that it could open again and things would be good. In fact, if it were to open again, it would be more heavily automated, and wouldn't provide nearly the number of jobs.
What they really need to do is acquire useful skills, but it's a lot easier to blame things on others, and apparently they're gullible enough to think that, since Trump said what they wanted to hear, Trump would actually do something about it.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I've attended multiple diversity anti-harrasment training and different companies. Each of which had example after example of men harassing women or men harassing non-Caucasians. Nothing with a reverse situation was presented. Found out that a man solo riding an elevator, and a woman enters the elevator, she can complain that she was uncomfortable even if the man was silently standing away from her and looking away. Found out that "Elevator Eyes" - scanning from feet to head, real or imagined, can be complained about by a woman. Training in all companies was conducted in person by a woman. One training was held at a local woman's shelter.
Indians, not White males are the most Racist people on Earth https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Casteism
In France, for a couple of years, we had a "Camp d'été décolonial" (Uncolonial Summer Camp, I kid you not) organized for people who have to suffer "institutional state racism", which is interpreted as "anybody but white". See https://www.marianne.net/socie....
I am all against racism. But you don't fight racism against black people by making a virtue of racism against white people.
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