cost savings were cited as a major advantage of hiring Indian entry-level engineers, whereas other advantages were technical knowledge, English language skills, strong education or training, ability to learn quickly, and a strong work ethic Perhaps this is true in China, but I just found out that my India developers are refusing to work tomorrow because of the Good Friday holiday. Turns out that just about every Christian, Hindu, and Muslim holiday is nationally considered a day off. This bones me supremely, because I've got stuff due at the end of the week, and my developers are on vacation starting this morning (thursday) until monday.
Similar thing with European socialists. They must get about 50% of the workdays in the year off as vacation. Then they wonder why their economy sucks and unemployment is so high.
Call us fat and lazy, but we Americans work every day but Christmas and Thanksgiving (new year's day too, if you have a nice employer).
FTFA:
"It is effective to speak to a diagram, because it presents information in a different form. But it is not effective to speak the same words that are written, because it is putting too much load on the mind and decreases your ability to understand what is being presented." [Said John Sweller, from the university's faculty of education] I've noticed this a lot in my academic and professional life. The moment a person gets up with his shiny, animated powerpoint slides, and then proceeds to READ ALOUD the bullet points he's showing to me, I immediately mark him as an idiot. If you can't even rephrase yourself, then you don't have much of an idea of what you're talking about.
However, this guy isn't decrying the effectiveness of visual aids. We can thank Dimitry Martin for that proof (observe his visual aids when explaining the google/viacom spat: http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/Google_Youtube_Viacom_L awsuit_89_2007.php). The point is you must describe what people are seeing, not just "here's a picture of an apple!"
Anyone who relies on an IDE to do programming, in fact, not a programmer. Maybe, someday in the distant future, visual tools will have evolved to the point of being all-powerful, but I don't think that will ever happen. It goes back to the same basic argument (and the fundamental flaw in all microsoft designs, but that's another story): if you want to communicate something, you talk!
VIM (or *cough* emacs) is to programming as the command line is to data processing. Without these tools, we are relegated to sewing our mouths shut, pointing at things on the screen and going "mmmm! mmmm! mmmmmmmm!!!" The only way to talk to a computer is with language. Text editors and command lines aren't the old way, they're the only way.
If I want my friend to pass me the salt, I say "pass me the salt please." I don't point at it and click.
forgetaboutit. Borland made one of the first C compilers, has expanded software development since the beginning, and has no intention of quitting the development game any time soon. Sure, it seems to have its head up its ass with a lot of things (ditching Kylix seems to be one), but the fact remains that there will always be a need for an alternative to MS Visual Studio for IDEs. If Borland were smart, they'd play their advantage: not being locked in to windows.
Delphi is still a solution in search of a problem. I use the thing 8 hours a day and while it does have a tendency to allow poor coding style, that's a shortcoming of IDEs in general and not Delphi. While I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on its success, I still think that it will become more applicable in the future, not less. Delphi's problems have to do with the idiots who are directing the project, not something inherently wrong with the IDE.
Livingston, who publishes the Windows Secrets newsletter, said that a single change to Vista's registry lets users put off the operating system's product activation requirement an additional eight times beyond the three disclosed last month. And such a change is a direct violation of the DMCA. It circumvents the digital copy protection mechanism embedded within the software. Totally illegal. And the fact that it was published in an American magazine leaves them wide open for a lawsuit.
That's what these laws do: make it almost irresistible to commit the crime so that a vast majority of people do, and then you can selectively enforce the law on those you don't like. Classic totalitarian behavior.
As a member of the small club of engineers who graduated in RIT's first Software Engineering, I can say that SE is the future of software development, not computer science.
It simple semantics. There will always be more people interested in the practical application of science (i.e. engineering) rather than the pure research. The demand for good engineers who can craft good software solutions is growing, not shrinking. Reports of a drop in CS enrollment only only reflects the decrease in the usefulness of the study of the pure science of computers. Since SE is in its infancy, I believe that over time, more people will gravitate toward the engineering side of software.
The other point that is often ignored in this discussion is the revolution of Open Source Software. As more companies realize that F/OSS is the only cost-effective way of developing software, this will only increase the number of "blue collar" programmers that are required in the workplace. Many of these will be your average script kiddie, but they must be managed and directed by an engineer, much like the construction of a building. I don't want a scientist making sure the walls don't fall down around me; I want an engineer.
They are protecting what may soon be a failing business model: the proprietary software development house. HERE HERE!
This is exactly what's been going, IMHO, since the first time reps from Novell and MS ever sat down to talk turkey. The people truly "in the know" at Microsoft (if this includes Gates is another question) know that their business model is dying. In order to survive, they simply must have some sort of commercial investment into open source. Why? Because its the only software that doesn't go away! Microsoft has consistantly changed everything about "computing" just about every time they release a new OS or software suite. Every time they do this, a giant swath of people who have invested their lives into learning MS technology suddenly find themselves filling out job applications at Kinkos. People will not long tolerate their life's work being thrown away by executive decision.
Hence, open source software is the only software. And Microsoft knows this. What we get is the death throws of a failed business model, and a giant salvo of unfounded IP threats.
IANAL, but I have been threatened with libel lawsuits before. In american law, you are completely free to say anything you want about anyone. However, this right and freedom does not protect you from the civil consequences of what you say. If you spread lies about another person or a corporate entity, they can and will sue you.
So the question becomes what it almost always becomes: one of credibility. Who is this woman? Does she have any other motive for attacking this doctor? Are the pictures digitally altered? Looks pretty dubious to me.
I cry no tears for soulless plastic surgeons, but a lie is a lie.
You can't have it both ways. First, I don't shed any tears when record execs cry about the price of a _recording_. Yes! I know you've all built your empires around the idea that you can re-sell air vapor (encoded sound waves) ad infinitum, but the foundation you built it all on is WRONG! If you can make a infinite number of copies, each copy itself has no value.
But let me hack TFA for a moment:
Then come marketing and promotion costs -- perhaps the most expensive part of the music business today. They include increasingly expensive video clips, public relations, tour support, marketing campaigns, and promotion to get the songs played on the radio. So instead of asking artists to get off their ass and actually PERFORM their own music, we're forever expected to pay them majestic royalties for the 6 months of work put into laying down the tracks? In addition to that, we're expected to pay insane ticket prices so we can cover the 100% service charge, AND offset the cost of the tour that you say isn't even making money anyway, AND pay $30 for a hardcopy of the CD?! The White Album is good, but it ain't that good.
By all measures, when you consider how long people have the music and how often they can go back and get "re-entertained" CDs truly are an incredible value for the money. Nice. Fair-use rights are perfectly good... so long as the argument requires them. So I can copy my media now in accordance with the law? Funny how you never saw that as a protected right before, Sony.
Am I the only one that simply CANNOT read something if there's a constantly looping and annoying ad RIGHT NEXT to the article? Makes me hate the site, the author, and not care about the content of the article or the ad. Poor poor marketing.
needless to say, I didn't read the article and have now lost interest.
As a bit of an OSS developer myself, this really pisses me off:
When some says "Linux would work for me/my company IF..." the development community really needs to sit up and pay attention if they want to continue to grow their userbase and be taken seriously. OK, when the hell did I start working for you? First of all, there is no "linux development community." Its just people, some smart, some dumb. Its the closest thing to organized anarchy the world has ever seen. The revolutionary aspect of it all is that it empowers the user to make developmental decisions, not dictate them to others (as the poster is trying to do).
TheRaven64 (641858) said it right:
The community does sit up if people say 'I need this feature. It's worth $X to me, who wants to implement it.' They sit up if people say 'I needed this feature and I implemented it. I also need this feature.' It does not listen if people say 'I need this feature, implement it for me for free!' If you want to pay me the $1000 that you plan to spend on proprietary software, and I'll develop the thingy that you need and make it open source, then I'd be happy do that (within reason, of course). But you'd have to accept that a) the source code would not be yours, and you're paying for a service, not software; and b) any future support of the source will either come from the user base, or you'll have to pay more money for it.
Free software is only gratis if your time is worthless.
duh. mass = energy. Increase energy, decrease mass. No decrease in mass, no perpetual motion machine yet.
However, I still think there's _something_ to the equation. I walk into my local server room, and the place is 75 degrees F with the AC blasting. I just can't help but think there's a better use to which this extra heat can be put.
That's exactly my question: how does this contradict any law of thermodynamics?
In a nuclear reactor, for example, the radioactive material undergoes a controlled reaction that generates more energy than it consumes. How would a hyper-overclocked computer - with its billions of electrons causing massive numbers of excited atoms to release energy - be much different than a controlled nuclear reaction?
I realize this sounds impossible, and I am certainly no physicist, but it certainly seems to me that if extra energy is put into the system in the form of processing work, then the output of energy _should_ be greater than the input.
An overclocked processor generates a massive amount of heat, so much that specialized cooling systems need to be installed. Here's my question: is the amount of energy in heat generated greater than the amount of energy required to power the processor?
I believe this may be the case so long as the machine is doing "work" (i.e. hauling bits around at insane speeds, see 'od/dev/urandom'). Has this ever been scientifically tested with heavily overclocked processors? Or is it just plain theoretically impossible?
IMHO, the US will only revoke laws if BOTH a) the law is unenforceable and b)it can be proven to be morally/ethically wrong. I cite slavery and prohibition as proof of that.
This is what we've got here. The law supposedly protecting the copyright holders "distribution rights" is unenforceable (if one person posts it to the internet, everyone in the world can get it instantly), AND ethically dubious (I don't have the right to personal property anymore with regard to music?).
If we think these statements are true, then this case (or one like it) will eventually go to the highest American court, and they will rule these statements _as_ true. After that the legislators will have to battle it out.
America has a lot of problems, but one thing it cannot accept FOREVER is legal contradictions. They can go on for years, even generations, but not forever.
Hell will freeze over the day a modal editor becomes web-enabled. VI will still be the best editor in 20 years, and it will STILL be used over a serial line.
BINGO. The whole point of the operation is freedom, IMHO. That includes the freedom to choose to greedily keep my knowledge to myself in vain hopes that it will somehow help me in the future.
Now, when they find it impossible to support a moving target without interaction with OSS communities, and their binary blobs stop working after 2 months, THEN I'll say "I told you so" and hopefully they'll open their minds a bit.
It should be painfully obvious that very few commercial software houses care that much at all about _real_ bugs. They care most about "this button isn't in the right place" or "this should have a shortcut key" rather than actually making sure their software works.
For example, the new Inten Mac simply DOESN'T WORK. Because of the overheating problem, I can't leave mine on for more than 6 hours without the hard drive starting to sound like a jackhammer. It takes MORE than SIX HOURS to make a freakin full-length DVD! Therefore, I can't make DVDs on my mac. $3000 paperweight.
(And when I took it back to the apple shop to fix it, they wiped my hard drive without warning me and cleaned out about 3 months of video and web work, bastards.)
They care about keeping the "brushed metal" look, not making sure the damned machine can run long enough to make a freakin dvd. Screw Apple.
The Fahrenheit scale aimed to make 100 degrees equal to body temperature. That makes it easy to judge "hotness" because we're all familiar with our body temperature. Anything hotter than that, and we have to sweat to stay cool. if > 100, then hot, else not as hot. How nice.
Similar to how a mile is conveniently about a minute while driving in a car along the highway. I've always found this wonderfully odd, since I assume the mile is older than the automobile.
Would the easiest way to sidestep the whole mess be to just broadcast music that doesn't fall under the corrupt system of copyrights? I can't see how any legal argument could be made against broadcasting independent music with a non-DRM internet signal.
If their intent is to find a way to slide in an FCC-style regulation into internet broadcasting, then I believe the constitution prohibits that.
The linux kernel is fast becoming another piece of black-box software. Even if it remains open-source, it certainly isn't free (as in speech) software. I've even read that most Linux kernel developers don't even agree with the basic philosophy of OSS.
If we can no longer trust Linux, and HURD is practically useless, where will our kernel come from?
I know that the question concerns other operating systems, but I've had the same questions concerning the portability-layer projects like cygwin (windows) and fink (osx). I tried in vain for a few months to get stock garnome to compile and run on cygwin. As for fink, KDE seems to run, albeit in a crippled state.
IMHO, if the desktop layer of OSS becomes too coupled with the kernel, then we've shot ourselves right in the foot. However, if OSS can continue to develop a somewhat uniform desktop system across multiple platforms...... now that's a developers dream:)
This worries me, a lot. I remember how pissed I was when I first jumped back into Linux a few years ago, and tried to compile a device driver. I quickly realized that EVERYTHING that I had spent months learning back in college about linux devices was now completely bunk. This is open source, isn't it? The whole point is to be able to hack it. You can't hack it if you have to learn an entirely new API every few months.
Perhaps its time to stop the Linus-worship anyway, and go with the HURD:
I for one think this is a bad thing. In general, I believe software developers are VERY overpaid, especially when you consider the _millions_ of hackers coming out of India, Russia, and the far east. Expecting western-world wages for software engineering to stay as lucrative as they have remained means building higher walls and thicker borders to keep the "poor, unwashed masses" out of our world. That too, am I against.
Great, Google's snapping up talent. How are they going to compete with a company powered by english-speaking, PhD wielding Indians who will work for 1/4 the money, produce better software, and still live like kings in low-cost-of-living parts of the world? I just can't see it being sustained for very long.
Face it: there's usually only one orange hat on the construction site. The rest of us gotta do the grunt work and be somewhat content with a good living wage.
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Similar thing with European socialists. They must get about 50% of the workdays in the year off as vacation. Then they wonder why their economy sucks and unemployment is so high.
Call us fat and lazy, but we Americans work every day but Christmas and Thanksgiving (new year's day too, if you have a nice employer).
However, this guy isn't decrying the effectiveness of visual aids. We can thank Dimitry Martin for that proof (observe his visual aids when explaining the google/viacom spat: http://www.jimmyr.com/blog/Google_Youtube_Viacom_
-dave
Here Here! Great post.
Anyone who relies on an IDE to do programming, in fact, not a programmer. Maybe, someday in the distant future, visual tools will have evolved to the point of being all-powerful, but I don't think that will ever happen. It goes back to the same basic argument (and the fundamental flaw in all microsoft designs, but that's another story): if you want to communicate something, you talk!
VIM (or *cough* emacs) is to programming as the command line is to data processing. Without these tools, we are relegated to sewing our mouths shut, pointing at things on the screen and going "mmmm! mmmm! mmmmmmmm!!!" The only way to talk to a computer is with language. Text editors and command lines aren't the old way, they're the only way.
If I want my friend to pass me the salt, I say "pass me the salt please." I don't point at it and click.
-dave
forgetaboutit. Borland made one of the first C compilers, has expanded software development since the beginning, and has no intention of quitting the development game any time soon. Sure, it seems to have its head up its ass with a lot of things (ditching Kylix seems to be one), but the fact remains that there will always be a need for an alternative to MS Visual Studio for IDEs. If Borland were smart, they'd play their advantage: not being locked in to windows.
Delphi is still a solution in search of a problem. I use the thing 8 hours a day and while it does have a tendency to allow poor coding style, that's a shortcoming of IDEs in general and not Delphi. While I wouldn't bet my bottom dollar on its success, I still think that it will become more applicable in the future, not less. Delphi's problems have to do with the idiots who are directing the project, not something inherently wrong with the IDE.
-dave
That's what these laws do: make it almost irresistible to commit the crime so that a vast majority of people do, and then you can selectively enforce the law on those you don't like. Classic totalitarian behavior.
It makes me sick.
As a member of the small club of engineers who graduated in RIT's first Software Engineering, I can say that SE is the future of software development, not computer science.
It simple semantics. There will always be more people interested in the practical application of science (i.e. engineering) rather than the pure research. The demand for good engineers who can craft good software solutions is growing, not shrinking. Reports of a drop in CS enrollment only only reflects the decrease in the usefulness of the study of the pure science of computers. Since SE is in its infancy, I believe that over time, more people will gravitate toward the engineering side of software.
The other point that is often ignored in this discussion is the revolution of Open Source Software. As more companies realize that F/OSS is the only cost-effective way of developing software, this will only increase the number of "blue collar" programmers that are required in the workplace. Many of these will be your average script kiddie, but they must be managed and directed by an engineer, much like the construction of a building. I don't want a scientist making sure the walls don't fall down around me; I want an engineer.
that's my admittedly biased $0.02
-dave
MOD PARENT UP
I'd like to mod slashdot -9 boneheaded for that article title. Jerks.
This is exactly what's been going, IMHO, since the first time reps from Novell and MS ever sat down to talk turkey. The people truly "in the know" at Microsoft (if this includes Gates is another question) know that their business model is dying. In order to survive, they simply must have some sort of commercial investment into open source. Why? Because its the only software that doesn't go away! Microsoft has consistantly changed everything about "computing" just about every time they release a new OS or software suite. Every time they do this, a giant swath of people who have invested their lives into learning MS technology suddenly find themselves filling out job applications at Kinkos. People will not long tolerate their life's work being thrown away by executive decision.
Hence, open source software is the only software. And Microsoft knows this. What we get is the death throws of a failed business model, and a giant salvo of unfounded IP threats.
IANAL, but I have been threatened with libel lawsuits before. In american law, you are completely free to say anything you want about anyone. However, this right and freedom does not protect you from the civil consequences of what you say. If you spread lies about another person or a corporate entity, they can and will sue you.
So the question becomes what it almost always becomes: one of credibility. Who is this woman? Does she have any other motive for attacking this doctor? Are the pictures digitally altered? Looks pretty dubious to me.
I cry no tears for soulless plastic surgeons, but a lie is a lie.
-dave
But let me hack TFA for a moment: Then come marketing and promotion costs -- perhaps the most expensive part of the music business today. They include increasingly expensive video clips, public relations, tour support, marketing campaigns, and promotion to get the songs played on the radio. So instead of asking artists to get off their ass and actually PERFORM their own music, we're forever expected to pay them majestic royalties for the 6 months of work put into laying down the tracks? In addition to that, we're expected to pay insane ticket prices so we can cover the 100% service charge, AND offset the cost of the tour that you say isn't even making money anyway, AND pay $30 for a hardcopy of the CD?! The White Album is good, but it ain't that good. By all measures, when you consider how long people have the music and how often they can go back and get "re-entertained" CDs truly are an incredible value for the money. Nice. Fair-use rights are perfectly good... so long as the argument requires them. So I can copy my media now in accordance with the law? Funny how you never saw that as a protected right before, Sony.
-dave
Am I the only one that simply CANNOT read something if there's a constantly looping and annoying ad RIGHT NEXT to the article? Makes me hate the site, the author, and not care about the content of the article or the ad. Poor poor marketing.
needless to say, I didn't read the article and have now lost interest.
sorry. had to vent. carry on.
TheRaven64 (641858) said it right: The community does sit up if people say 'I need this feature. It's worth $X to me, who wants to implement it.' They sit up if people say 'I needed this feature and I implemented it. I also need this feature.' It does not listen if people say 'I need this feature, implement it for me for free!' If you want to pay me the $1000 that you plan to spend on proprietary software, and I'll develop the thingy that you need and make it open source, then I'd be happy do that (within reason, of course). But you'd have to accept that a) the source code would not be yours, and you're paying for a service, not software; and b) any future support of the source will either come from the user base, or you'll have to pay more money for it.
Free software is only gratis if your time is worthless.
-dave
duh. mass = energy. Increase energy, decrease mass. No decrease in mass, no perpetual motion machine yet.
However, I still think there's _something_ to the equation. I walk into my local server room, and the place is 75 degrees F with the AC blasting. I just can't help but think there's a better use to which this extra heat can be put.
That's exactly my question: how does this contradict any law of thermodynamics?
In a nuclear reactor, for example, the radioactive material undergoes a controlled reaction that generates more energy than it consumes. How would a hyper-overclocked computer - with its billions of electrons causing massive numbers of excited atoms to release energy - be much different than a controlled nuclear reaction?
I realize this sounds impossible, and I am certainly no physicist, but it certainly seems to me that if extra energy is put into the system in the form of processing work, then the output of energy _should_ be greater than the input.
-dave
This is a question I've had for a while:
/dev/urandom'). Has this ever been scientifically tested with heavily overclocked processors? Or is it just plain theoretically impossible?
An overclocked processor generates a massive amount of heat, so much that specialized cooling systems need to be installed. Here's my question: is the amount of energy in heat generated greater than the amount of energy required to power the processor?
I believe this may be the case so long as the machine is doing "work" (i.e. hauling bits around at insane speeds, see 'od
-dave
IMHO, the US will only revoke laws if BOTH a) the law is unenforceable and b)it can be proven to be morally/ethically wrong. I cite slavery and prohibition as proof of that.
This is what we've got here. The law supposedly protecting the copyright holders "distribution rights" is unenforceable (if one person posts it to the internet, everyone in the world can get it instantly), AND ethically dubious (I don't have the right to personal property anymore with regard to music?).
If we think these statements are true, then this case (or one like it) will eventually go to the highest American court, and they will rule these statements _as_ true. After that the legislators will have to battle it out.
America has a lot of problems, but one thing it cannot accept FOREVER is legal contradictions. They can go on for years, even generations, but not forever.
-dave
VI r0cz!
Hell will freeze over the day a modal editor becomes web-enabled. VI will still be the best editor in 20 years, and it will STILL be used over a serial line.
BINGO. The whole point of the operation is freedom, IMHO. That includes the freedom to choose to greedily keep my knowledge to myself in vain hopes that it will somehow help me in the future.
Now, when they find it impossible to support a moving target without interaction with OSS communities, and their binary blobs stop working after 2 months, THEN I'll say "I told you so" and hopefully they'll open their minds a bit.
-dave
It should be painfully obvious that very few commercial software houses care that much at all about _real_ bugs. They care most about "this button isn't in the right place" or "this should have a shortcut key" rather than actually making sure their software works.
For example, the new Inten Mac simply DOESN'T WORK. Because of the overheating problem, I can't leave mine on for more than 6 hours without the hard drive starting to sound like a jackhammer. It takes MORE than SIX HOURS to make a freakin full-length DVD! Therefore, I can't make DVDs on my mac. $3000 paperweight.
(And when I took it back to the apple shop to fix it, they wiped my hard drive without warning me and cleaned out about 3 months of video and web work, bastards.)
They care about keeping the "brushed metal" look, not making sure the damned machine can run long enough to make a freakin dvd. Screw Apple.
-dave
The Fahrenheit scale aimed to make 100 degrees equal to body temperature. That makes it easy to judge "hotness" because we're all familiar with our body temperature. Anything hotter than that, and we have to sweat to stay cool. if > 100, then hot, else not as hot. How nice.
Similar to how a mile is conveniently about a minute while driving in a car along the highway. I've always found this wonderfully odd, since I assume the mile is older than the automobile.
-dave
Would the easiest way to sidestep the whole mess be to just broadcast music that doesn't fall under the corrupt system of copyrights? I can't see how any legal argument could be made against broadcasting independent music with a non-DRM internet signal.
If their intent is to find a way to slide in an FCC-style regulation into internet broadcasting, then I believe the constitution prohibits that.
-dave
OK, then what?
The linux kernel is fast becoming another piece of black-box software. Even if it remains open-source, it certainly isn't free (as in speech) software. I've even read that most Linux kernel developers don't even agree with the basic philosophy of OSS.
If we can no longer trust Linux, and HURD is practically useless, where will our kernel come from?
I know that the question concerns other operating systems, but I've had the same questions concerning the portability-layer projects like cygwin (windows) and fink (osx). I tried in vain for a few months to get stock garnome to compile and run on cygwin. As for fink, KDE seems to run, albeit in a crippled state.
:)
IMHO, if the desktop layer of OSS becomes too coupled with the kernel, then we've shot ourselves right in the foot. However, if OSS can continue to develop a somewhat uniform desktop system across multiple platforms...... now that's a developers dream
-dave
This worries me, a lot. I remember how pissed I was when I first jumped back into Linux a few years ago, and tried to compile a device driver. I quickly realized that EVERYTHING that I had spent months learning back in college about linux devices was now completely bunk. This is open source, isn't it? The whole point is to be able to hack it. You can't hack it if you have to learn an entirely new API every few months.
Perhaps its time to stop the Linus-worship anyway, and go with the HURD:
http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/gnumach.html
-dave
I for one think this is a bad thing. In general, I believe software developers are VERY overpaid, especially when you consider the _millions_ of hackers coming out of India, Russia, and the far east. Expecting western-world wages for software engineering to stay as lucrative as they have remained means building higher walls and thicker borders to keep the "poor, unwashed masses" out of our world. That too, am I against.
Great, Google's snapping up talent. How are they going to compete with a company powered by english-speaking, PhD wielding Indians who will work for 1/4 the money, produce better software, and still live like kings in low-cost-of-living parts of the world? I just can't see it being sustained for very long.
Face it: there's usually only one orange hat on the construction site. The rest of us gotta do the grunt work and be somewhat content with a good living wage.
-dave