I did it on redhat (stock install) once (as none-root and then as root), not all the apps were happy bunnys after the first, suprisingly less were happy after the latter:D
No one HAS to pirate software. Even when using Windows or Mac. (Prety much) all the software you have on your Linux install, will run on Windows & Mac.
and how close are they to the plates when the pictures are taken? For the pernament ones, I don't know, it might be on the website. The vans (one parks outside my work place every now and again) have a set of 2 or 3 cameras just on top of the van.
I always thought that OCR in this way was at best an inexact science. Nope. It is just an expenive one. I work at a new reading agency (we scan newspapers, then send out articles mentioning client companys (or other key words)). While it is not 100% perfect, it is very very good.
Its automatic, no RF tags in cars, it reads number plates, matchs the number plate with a database of people who have paid. If they have not (by the end of the day), a bill is sent. No humans needed.
As anyone here knows, OCR from camera images taken in anything other than a controlled environment is dicey at best. It seams to be working quite well in London (the capital of the UK), were the Congestion Charge systems uses it to fine people more a tube day travel card.
. She's a fairly experienced Windows user. She needed to install the Sun JRE 1.4 to get this thing to work. She needed help from me, and a bit of exploring on java.sun.com, t Try http://java.com, then enduser page. Java.sun.com is the developer site. It has a nice big "Get it now" button. Which will autoinstall if you don't have a "modern" (1.2+ i think), or send you to a "Manual Downloads" page, for the OS you are using.
And now the Sun "Java" Desktop, which presumably comes with Java built in, but does that mean you can double-click on a.jar file and your app starts up? No. You have to write a shell script, or add an icon with a command like "java -classpath foo.jar..." to get it to wor Use JavaWebStart, not ".jars" if you want icon/etc.
a Java window manager, See Looking Glass
Open-source Java, or give enough assistance to existing OS java projects Why does not IBM do this? IBM wants this, have a complete implementation, and the resources.
Develop some real-world Java apps. I could not agree more.
What? you are not willing to strap a beast of a machine to your back, and carry a CRT-based monitor? Kids today. Back in my day, built-in 5" CRT and no battorys. And we liked it!
... Of the App. Make a good API, with clean cross-language compatabity, and let the app dev. choice a language that suites the application that [s]he is writing.
the client side is still awkward with the AWT, Swing, yadda yadda.:)
it getting better. Swing is nice and fast, and with work (not than many people bother) you can have a GUI that looks mostly-native on most supported platforms.
Is there a 'standard' for the Java language itself Yes. It is defined by the JCP. Anyone can join the JCP (if they own, or have access to a fax machine) and submit changes to it.
What problem could possibly be solved by letting people contribute their time to help build Java?!? You can, now. Right now! Go join the JCP, and shape Java!
Not calling it Java would be a mistake. You would loose out on the "free" advertisement by Sun, Apache etc (how would you know IBM-Java-Like would run Tomcat? or...)
IBM should support GCJ/Classpath, donating code, and more importantly taking a stable branch, and submiting (any paying for) the compatabity tests.
Sun should cut the cost (to $0) for OpenSource orgs joining the JCP.
Java on the Desktop is very rare. Java on the Server is quite common. J2EE is GOOD, very good.
This is why IBM wants it open, so they don't have to pay Sun (both IBM & Sun my big ass servers which runs very big websites working of Java, no Java is not "slow" (Swing was, but thats not used in Web apps) requiring big servers, big servers are required as they are heavly hit sites ) in TCK (compatabitiy tests).
The problem is calling it Java (you have a mostly complete Java implementation already with GCJ and SwingWT, which is completely open source). But getting it pass a TCK will be expenive.
You can download Java source from Sun.com under Suns Comunity source lience. But, like the.NET (we are talking about platforms, not languages) source, you are very limited in what you can do with it.
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At a guess some app data files would also go.
:D
I did it on redhat (stock install) once (as none-root and then as root), not all the apps were happy bunnys after the first, suprisingly less were happy after the latter
Bull.
rm -rf
For the most part, yes, BUT...
;) Email and browser clients don't auto-run stuff, where as Outlook and MSIE did.
The Mac-native (ignoring MS based
> "I never have to pirate software anymore."
No one HAS to pirate software. Even when using Windows or Mac. (Prety much) all the software you have on your Linux install, will run on Windows & Mac.
and how close are they to the plates when the pictures are taken?
For the pernament ones, I don't know, it might be on the website.
The vans (one parks outside my work place every now and again) have a set of 2 or 3 cameras just on top of the van.
I always thought that OCR in this way was at best an inexact science.
Nope. It is just an expenive one.
I work at a new reading agency (we scan newspapers, then send out articles mentioning client companys (or other key words)).
While it is not 100% perfect, it is very very good.
Its automatic, no RF tags in cars, it reads number plates, matchs the number plate with a database of people who have paid.
If they have not (by the end of the day), a bill is sent. No humans needed.
This is not a problem with cameras, but with the "Ministry of Privacy".
As anyone here knows, OCR from camera images taken in anything other than a controlled environment is dicey at best.
It seams to be working quite well in London (the capital of the UK), were the Congestion Charge systems uses it to fine people more a tube day travel card.
. She's a fairly experienced Windows user. She needed to install the Sun JRE 1.4 to get this thing to work. She needed help from me, and a bit of exploring on java.sun.com, t
.jar file and your app starts up? No. You have to write a shell script, or add an icon with a command like "java -classpath foo.jar ..." to get it to wor
Try http://java.com, then enduser page. Java.sun.com is the developer site.
It has a nice big "Get it now" button. Which will autoinstall if you don't have a "modern" (1.2+ i think), or send you to a "Manual Downloads" page, for the OS you are using.
And now the Sun "Java" Desktop, which presumably comes with Java built in, but does that mean you can double-click on a
Use JavaWebStart, not ".jars" if you want icon/etc.
a Java window manager,
See Looking Glass
Open-source Java, or give enough assistance to existing OS java projects
Why does not IBM do this? IBM wants this, have a complete implementation, and the resources.
Develop some real-world Java apps.
I could not agree more.
What? you are not willing to strap a beast of a machine to your back, and carry a CRT-based monitor?
Kids today.
Back in my day, built-in 5" CRT and no battorys. And we liked it!
So it can double as a portable radiator.
"that bear" from the muppets.
Fozzie Bear, Arr for Wikipedia.
... Of the App. Make a good API, with clean cross-language compatabity, and let the app dev. choice a language that suites the application that [s]he is writing.
A goats.cx video. Wow, will the wonders of the internet ever cease?
RTFA, yes, 80% of real time thou.
(bye bye Karma)
Who the fuck are you to choose what people spend their time on?
You want a good UI, write one.
That is my understand of it, yes.
the client side is still awkward with the AWT, Swing, yadda yadda. :)
it getting better. Swing is nice and fast, and with work (not than many people bother) you can have a GUI that looks mostly-native on most supported platforms.
Is there a 'standard' for the Java language itself
Yes. It is defined by the JCP.
Anyone can join the JCP (if they own, or have access to a fax machine) and submit changes to it.
Can you do that with C#? And if so, is it free?
What problem could possibly be solved by letting people contribute their time to help build Java?!?
You can, now. Right now!
Go join the JCP, and shape Java!
Not calling it Java would be a mistake. You would loose out on the "free" advertisement by Sun, Apache etc (how would you know IBM-Java-Like would run Tomcat? or...)
IBM should support GCJ/Classpath, donating code, and more importantly taking a stable branch, and submiting (any paying for) the compatabity tests.
Sun should cut the cost (to $0) for OpenSource orgs joining the JCP.
Java on the Desktop is very rare. Java on the Server is quite common. J2EE is GOOD, very good.
This is why IBM wants it open, so they don't have to pay Sun (both IBM & Sun my big ass servers which runs very big websites working of Java, no Java is not "slow" (Swing was, but thats not used in Web apps) requiring big servers, big servers are required as they are heavly hit sites ) in TCK (compatabitiy tests).
The problem is calling it Java (you have a mostly complete Java implementation already with GCJ and SwingWT, which is completely open source). But getting it pass a TCK will be expenive.
You are more than welcome to pay if you like.
You can download Java source from Sun.com under Suns Comunity source lience. .NET (we are talking about platforms, not languages) source, you are very limited in what you can do with it.
But, like the
You can get an OSS java, GCJ and Kafe, but they are not alowed to CALL them selfs Java.
Apple gave Sun money (in the way of passing a TCK), which enabled them to distribute a Java called Java.
I'm sure if you are willing to play for GCJ to pass a TCK you will end up with an Open Source java, alas no one is.