We aren't talking about corporations. We're talking about wealthy individuals. Your CEO is not going to move to Idaho when his base of operations is currently in Washington. He might build a vacation home, but it's not likely he'll be away from the main hub of operations.
Your second paragraph are usual conservative talking points about big government. Those are not convincing arguments for me. You need to think about how well government functions. A well functioning government is not proportional to how large it is.
I don't think the poor is the one that government listens to. The rich has much better access. After all, they can just go and hit a $2000 a plate fund-raiser and speak their mind. The poor? Not so much.
Then expect to pay more in law enforcement, ambulance, and emergency health services as civil society falls off a cliff because when people don't have any avenue of self sufficency they'll take it anywhere they can. Jungle society. You'll arm yourself, and then they'll arm themselves.. yay! If you put people in a corner where they have nothing to lose they'll do whatever they can to survive.
medicare, universal health care, social security is what separates from living like animals where only teh strong survive. A business cannot do well in such an environment. You add teh right to arms to that mix and I guarantee you things will get quite explosive.
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Yes, I wish we could have a "-1 Wrong" moderation because I'd definitely rate yours with that. Please start some kind of business in Somalia and let me know how you fare where your job doesn't involve something that doesn't involve piracy.
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Except that neither of these CEOs are going to be using their personal income to hire new workers.
When these guys build new houses for themselves they create jobs. When they hire help to maintain those big homes they create jobs. When they buy new cars they create jobs. When they invest their money they create jobs.
I believe it was Napoleon Hill who gave the advice that if you want to get wealthy yourself you need to hang around with rich people, because just the opportunities they let slide because they might think they are "too small" will be enough to give you a good start on your way to wealth if you're ambitious enough to go after them. It wasn't stated in those exact words, but the meaning was the same.
I'm sorry that's wrong. There is a couple of problems with this. Your hypothetical CEO would buy how many cars in a 5 year period? 1? 2? Yeah, that would really stimulate the economy. Why do you assume your CEO would build a new home? how many homes do you think your hypothetical CEO would build? If you already a place on Lake Washington, prime real estate, why would you go anywhere else?
Let's consider giving the middle class all that money, how many cars do you think 50 people making 80K would buy if they came into money? How many can now afford to let someone else do their yards? How many books/dvd/theater are they going to do? I bet a lot omre than your single CEO. Let me give you a clue, the middle class runs this country. We are the engines of this economy. This country's market is the best market in the world because we are trained to spend. We are the ultimate consumers.You people who enable to rich are just cutting your own throat. They don't need your help. If they need to talk to govt they can attend a $2000 dollar a plate fundraiser and talk to the candidate directly. They got all kinds of avenues to whine.
Trickle-down is bullshit. Let me tell you why. I'm a rich guy, I'm a capitlist. I'm given a some of money or I'm saving a bunch of money. What do I do with it? I want to take that pile of money and make more money. I do give a flying fuck about nationalism or anything. I just want to increase my pile. Labor in the U.S. is expensive. I'm going to take that sum of money and I'm going to invest it somewhere my returns are higher. That means I'm going to go off and I'm goign to invest in China, Vietnam or India or whatever. So yeah, rich guys hire people. Not here though. They'll go find some country they can exploit that have poor labor laws that don't protect their workers.
So at the expense of the U.S. that great pile of money that you think is going to be circulated back in this nation? Not really. So we're going ot keep cutting taxes because that can never be bad , right? Govt gets less money, so social services get shafted, education gets the shaft, because people are poor and desperate they turn into religious wingnuts. (like they do in poor middle eastern countries) Crime rates rise as well. So now most of whatever taxes we have left is towards the police force in order to keep law and order.
So there we are.. our education in the toilet, a highly charged environment filled with bigotry, racism fuled by lack of jobs and increased religious fervor and guns. At least we still have our guns right? That'll help me sleep better.
People who are well off (and I'm well off relatively speaking) should pay their proportionate share of taxes. It's goddam patriotic to pay your share. It's part of being a citizen.. I know I took an oath on it. When you pay your taxes, you're investing in this country. We have a lot of stuff to do to make this country compettive again. China and India are going to eat our lunch, I'm not about to let that happen.
So yeah, it is trickle downl but what's trickling down is not cash it's something else.
I've had a lot of issues with multi-monitor setup. The core of X is pretty sound, but we lost 10 years in the 90s when it was under the X consortium where they did nothing so we're still paying catch up. Xorg is moving quite fast since it was split off.
Let's give it a year (that's two Friedman units) and see where we are.
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Don't worry it'll take about two more generations before the whole Reagon youth stuff gets worked out of the system. The damage the Reagan drug has done on Gen-Xers and younger baby boomers is amazing. We seem to have taken the "government is evil" to heart and in some cases self fufilling. Our national debate has turned caustic, we can't even get Republicans to actually debate anything rather than just say no. Democrats are spineless and internally have divided themselves into Democrats and moderate Republicans.
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I am half black, half white, and don't always relate to either half. One the whole, the black side of my family is much more worldly, educated and open minded. Thats just how it worked out in this particular case. Members of my father's family have spread all over the country and lived in foreign countries. Members of my mother's family have tended to stay in the Western US. Their attitudes are about what you would expect, even if you knew nothing of their skin color.
I think that these stand-offish attitudes are another relic of physical and often legal segregation that is, again, part of living memory for many Americans. Its not as if there was mass migration for the purposes of integration once the Civil Rights movement took hold. Where members of either culture have since moved to seek a better or different life, I think the cultural chasm narrows. Where insular communities (of any race or ethnicity) persist, ignorance and distrust of outsiders persists.
I've often heard that Africans do not naturally relate to African Americans. Is this so surprising? The United States and most African nations are as different as can be. Why do we assume that blacks of vastly divergent cultures would automatically relate?
That's pretty interesting. I grew up in the U.S. although I was born in India. I can switch between my indian and U.S. identities at will. My U.S. identity is the particular midwest white cutlure I was referring to which makes me very different than other indians who grew up here. I actually have a hard time relating to indians here than indians from India.
I agree that it is going to take some time. A lot of people can't forget they've been wronged. Indians are still mad that the mongols conquered them despite the wealth of culture and architecture they've inherited from them. If you think muslims are bad what do you call the Taj Mahal as an expression of love?
But how would a company know the race of the people working for them? I would certainly refuse to answer a question about my race. It should have nothing to do with my work. What if a light skinned person identified themselves as African American? Should an instrument be used to measure their albedo? Why should anybody care? I don't.
I think the point was that they were saying it was a trade secret. If they don't know why defend it as such? Just say we don't collect that information. The thing is that they have to collect it. Remember, these guys have to track diversity stuff.
It's why I roam the streets daily looking for single black females so I can recruit them in large companies for huge rewards and then I will then waste on a hedonistic lifestyle.
I'm 35. My father was actively discouraged from pursuing a career in architecture by hostile highschool teachers (he now has a PHD in architecture). Based on a lot of replies (not yours), it takes more than a math genius to understand why there are still very few African American engineers. African Americans remain a numeric minority, only one generation (at best) removed from being told by their own teachers that they are too stupid to aspire to careers like engineering.
Thanks for adding that. Frequently, I forget that there are other mitigating circumstances like what you've stated that contribute to the problem. Extremely unfortunate.
Not to talk about race in general, but I find it difficult to relate to AAs. I can relate to Africans much easier because as an Indian our cultures are fairly similar. Hell we even watch the same bollywood movies as kids.
I find AAs to be very insular and hard to get to know. This seems to be reciprocated as my nigerian friend would frequently tell me stories about AAs telling him they don't know how to relate to white guy or even to know what to talk about. Until they themselves want to integrate, and we in turn encourage it. I don't see how this situation gets better.
Why hide how many african americans you have? In the tech field there aren't that many AA engineers around. By empirical observation, I've noticed that most AA tend to get into management.
They have the ability, just no interest. Partially, I believe it is because of the inherent geek culture which I think is very white male. Movie quotes, media stuff and what not. For most racial types including the white female, it isn't particularly interesting. If you're brought up in a mostly black culture, I would think it would be pretty disconcerting. Most of us being pack animals you generally want to go where the herd is.
It works well with the other racial types since there are ample representation of the other races. Indians, asians, and africans have good representations and can overcome the geek culture.
I don't think desktops are their priority right now and thus that is reflected in the staffing changes. They probably looked at what they were getting and made the changes based on that.
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Why? Oracle is not required under any laws to provide development time to help make Linux or any OS more friendly towards people with disabilities. Sun was doing this out of their own great good heart.
It is in their best interest to make Solaris/OpenSolaris more friendly towards people with disabilities in an attempt to capture more market share that otherwise would go to Apple Mac OS X or Microsoft Windows where such products already exist.
Actually, they did this because if Sun wants to get Solaris with GNOME on government desktops they need to have accessibility. So this is to comply with government contracts. Nobody pays for this kind of thing out of the goodness of their hearts. This is a public-ly traded company.. sheesh.
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You might also consider that a corporation, a multi-national corporation has no loyalties. They are not required to support this country or fight for it, or any number of things. Their only motivation is to create wealth for its owner. Giving the same rights to such an entity who has no loyalty to this country makes no sense. Corporations have made no oath. We pay taxes because if we want the country to run properly with the services we want. Not all agree on the services, but there you have it.
It's breath-taking the breadth of the judicial over-reach that this court has done.
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I've been reading the reviews from readers on Barnes and Noble and Amazon and it's been uniformly positive. That's quite an achievement to pass it on to another author and still be able to capture the flavor of the series.
If true, I think that is completely OK. A mix of free ad-supported content with premium high-quality content people are willing to pay for. Not sure how that would work currently, but HBO has proven people are happy to pay for *quality* programming.
Remember when buying cable meant you didn't have to watch ads? When that was one of the big selling points of buying cable in the first place? I do.
And somehow, 20 years later, cable TV comes with oodles and oodles of ads. Literally, ads on top of ads. (you know, when they take 2 inches off the bottom of the screen to put an ad, and it happens while other ads are playing?)
Now Hulu comes along. it's got decent shows, a decent experience, and doesn't crush your consciousness with ads on top of ads, and it's FREE. Any surprise it's popular?
Give it a few years. Then you'll be PAYING for access to shows riddled with ads on top of ads, if history is any lesson.
No I won't. I'll be reading e-books with embedded commercials in them instead after I ran away from tvs and their commercials, keep those tree books around cuz ebooks is next for the the commercialization !:)
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Also you still have to pay maintenance on all that road. So I don't buy it. Train travel today is a joke. I look at Amtrak prices and wonder why does it cost as much as air travel with more delays. I would also like to see a high speed corridor between Los Angeles to Vancouver, BC. Then we can see some good people movement. Bullet trains and everything would rock. We have the technology, we don't seem to have the will. I would love to go on a train, get some internet in there and have a relaxing trip than be cooped up in some flight.
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I think WOT would lend itself to be an excellent series rather than a movie. There's just too much going on to give it justice in a 2 hour movie. How else can we enjoy all the great machinations everyone was doing?
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Your second paragraph are usual conservative talking points about big government. Those are not convincing arguments for me. You need to think about how well government functions. A well functioning government is not proportional to how large it is.
I don't think the poor is the one that government listens to. The rich has much better access. After all, they can just go and hit a $2000 a plate fund-raiser and speak their mind. The poor? Not so much.
sri
Then expect to pay more in law enforcement, ambulance, and emergency health services as civil society falls off a cliff because when people don't have any avenue of self sufficency they'll take it anywhere they can. Jungle society. You'll arm yourself, and then they'll arm themselves.. yay! If you put people in a corner where they have nothing to lose they'll do whatever they can to survive. medicare, universal health care, social security is what separates from living like animals where only teh strong survive. A business cannot do well in such an environment. You add teh right to arms to that mix and I guarantee you things will get quite explosive. sri
Bring it. We'll take them down. sri
Yes, I wish we could have a "-1 Wrong" moderation because I'd definitely rate yours with that. Please start some kind of business in Somalia and let me know how you fare where your job doesn't involve something that doesn't involve piracy. sri
Win.
When these guys build new houses for themselves they create jobs. When they hire help to maintain those big homes they create jobs. When they buy new cars they create jobs. When they invest their money they create jobs.
I believe it was Napoleon Hill who gave the advice that if you want to get wealthy yourself you need to hang around with rich people, because just the opportunities they let slide because they might think they are "too small" will be enough to give you a good start on your way to wealth if you're ambitious enough to go after them. It wasn't stated in those exact words, but the meaning was the same.
I'm sorry that's wrong. There is a couple of problems with this. Your hypothetical CEO would buy how many cars in a 5 year period? 1? 2? Yeah, that would really stimulate the economy. Why do you assume your CEO would build a new home? how many homes do you think your hypothetical CEO would build? If you already a place on Lake Washington, prime real estate, why would you go anywhere else?
Let's consider giving the middle class all that money, how many cars do you think 50 people making 80K would buy if they came into money? How many can now afford to let someone else do their yards? How many books/dvd/theater are they going to do? I bet a lot omre than your single CEO. Let me give you a clue, the middle class runs this country. We are the engines of this economy. This country's market is the best market in the world because we are trained to spend. We are the ultimate consumers.You people who enable to rich are just cutting your own throat. They don't need your help. If they need to talk to govt they can attend a $2000 dollar a plate fundraiser and talk to the candidate directly. They got all kinds of avenues to whine.
sri
So at the expense of the U.S. that great pile of money that you think is going to be circulated back in this nation? Not really. So we're going ot keep cutting taxes because that can never be bad , right? Govt gets less money, so social services get shafted, education gets the shaft, because people are poor and desperate they turn into religious wingnuts. (like they do in poor middle eastern countries) Crime rates rise as well. So now most of whatever taxes we have left is towards the police force in order to keep law and order.
So there we are.. our education in the toilet, a highly charged environment filled with bigotry, racism fuled by lack of jobs and increased religious fervor and guns. At least we still have our guns right? That'll help me sleep better.
People who are well off (and I'm well off relatively speaking) should pay their proportionate share of taxes. It's goddam patriotic to pay your share. It's part of being a citizen.. I know I took an oath on it. When you pay your taxes, you're investing in this country. We have a lot of stuff to do to make this country compettive again. China and India are going to eat our lunch, I'm not about to let that happen.
So yeah, it is trickle downl but what's trickling down is not cash it's something else.
sri
That's too bad because I've found that having a pet black friend lead me to have a fulfilling and loving life. You should try to get one.
I've had a lot of issues with multi-monitor setup. The core of X is pretty sound, but we lost 10 years in the 90s when it was under the X consortium where they did nothing so we're still paying catch up. Xorg is moving quite fast since it was split off. Let's give it a year (that's two Friedman units) and see where we are. sri
Don't worry it'll take about two more generations before the whole Reagon youth stuff gets worked out of the system. The damage the Reagan drug has done on Gen-Xers and younger baby boomers is amazing. We seem to have taken the "government is evil" to heart and in some cases self fufilling. Our national debate has turned caustic, we can't even get Republicans to actually debate anything rather than just say no. Democrats are spineless and internally have divided themselves into Democrats and moderate Republicans. sri
I wonder if Baidu will have search results for Tienanmen Square or any other bullshit China is up to? If not, they will lose. :-)
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I am half black, half white, and don't always relate to either half. One the whole, the black side of my family is much more worldly, educated and open minded. Thats just how it worked out in this particular case. Members of my father's family have spread all over the country and lived in foreign countries. Members of my mother's family have tended to stay in the Western US. Their attitudes are about what you would expect, even if you knew nothing of their skin color.
I think that these stand-offish attitudes are another relic of physical and often legal segregation that is, again, part of living memory for many Americans. Its not as if there was mass migration for the purposes of integration once the Civil Rights movement took hold. Where members of either culture have since moved to seek a better or different life, I think the cultural chasm narrows. Where insular communities (of any race or ethnicity) persist, ignorance and distrust of outsiders persists.
I've often heard that Africans do not naturally relate to African Americans. Is this so surprising? The United States and most African nations are as different as can be. Why do we assume that blacks of vastly divergent cultures would automatically relate?
That's pretty interesting. I grew up in the U.S. although I was born in India. I can switch between my indian and U.S. identities at will. My U.S. identity is the particular midwest white cutlure I was referring to which makes me very different than other indians who grew up here. I actually have a hard time relating to indians here than indians from India.
I agree that it is going to take some time. A lot of people can't forget they've been wronged. Indians are still mad that the mongols conquered them despite the wealth of culture and architecture they've inherited from them. If you think muslims are bad what do you call the Taj Mahal as an expression of love?
But how would a company know the race of the people working for them? I would certainly refuse to answer a question about my race. It should have nothing to do with my work. What if a light skinned person identified themselves as African American? Should an instrument be used to measure their albedo? Why should anybody care? I don't.
I think the point was that they were saying it was a trade secret. If they don't know why defend it as such? Just say we don't collect that information. The thing is that they have to collect it. Remember, these guys have to track diversity stuff. It's why I roam the streets daily looking for single black females so I can recruit them in large companies for huge rewards and then I will then waste on a hedonistic lifestyle.
I'm 35. My father was actively discouraged from pursuing a career in architecture by hostile highschool teachers (he now has a PHD in architecture). Based on a lot of replies (not yours), it takes more than a math genius to understand why there are still very few African American engineers. African Americans remain a numeric minority, only one generation (at best) removed from being told by their own teachers that they are too stupid to aspire to careers like engineering.
Thanks for adding that. Frequently, I forget that there are other mitigating circumstances like what you've stated that contribute to the problem. Extremely unfortunate.
Not to talk about race in general, but I find it difficult to relate to AAs. I can relate to Africans much easier because as an Indian our cultures are fairly similar. Hell we even watch the same bollywood movies as kids.
I find AAs to be very insular and hard to get to know. This seems to be reciprocated as my nigerian friend would frequently tell me stories about AAs telling him they don't know how to relate to white guy or even to know what to talk about. Until they themselves want to integrate, and we in turn encourage it. I don't see how this situation gets better.
Why hide how many african americans you have? In the tech field there aren't that many AA engineers around. By empirical observation, I've noticed that most AA tend to get into management. They have the ability, just no interest. Partially, I believe it is because of the inherent geek culture which I think is very white male. Movie quotes, media stuff and what not. For most racial types including the white female, it isn't particularly interesting. If you're brought up in a mostly black culture, I would think it would be pretty disconcerting. Most of us being pack animals you generally want to go where the herd is. It works well with the other racial types since there are ample representation of the other races. Indians, asians, and africans have good representations and can overcome the geek culture.
I don't think desktops are their priority right now and thus that is reflected in the staffing changes. They probably looked at what they were getting and made the changes based on that. sri
awww.. you can sit, it's no big deal. :)
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Why? Oracle is not required under any laws to provide development time to help make Linux or any OS more friendly towards people with disabilities. Sun was doing this out of their own great good heart.
It is in their best interest to make Solaris/OpenSolaris more friendly towards people with disabilities in an attempt to capture more market share that otherwise would go to Apple Mac OS X or Microsoft Windows where such products already exist.
Actually, they did this because if Sun wants to get Solaris with GNOME on government desktops they need to have accessibility. So this is to comply with government contracts. Nobody pays for this kind of thing out of the goodness of their hearts. This is a public-ly traded company.. sheesh. sri
You might also consider that a corporation, a multi-national corporation has no loyalties. They are not required to support this country or fight for it, or any number of things. Their only motivation is to create wealth for its owner. Giving the same rights to such an entity who has no loyalty to this country makes no sense. Corporations have made no oath. We pay taxes because if we want the country to run properly with the services we want. Not all agree on the services, but there you have it. It's breath-taking the breadth of the judicial over-reach that this court has done. sri
I've been reading the reviews from readers on Barnes and Noble and Amazon and it's been uniformly positive. That's quite an achievement to pass it on to another author and still be able to capture the flavor of the series.
If true, I think that is completely OK. A mix of free ad-supported content with premium high-quality content people are willing to pay for. Not sure how that would work currently, but HBO has proven people are happy to pay for *quality* programming.
Remember when buying cable meant you didn't have to watch ads? When that was one of the big selling points of buying cable in the first place? I do.
And somehow, 20 years later, cable TV comes with oodles and oodles of ads. Literally, ads on top of ads. (you know, when they take 2 inches off the bottom of the screen to put an ad, and it happens while other ads are playing?)
Now Hulu comes along. it's got decent shows, a decent experience, and doesn't crush your consciousness with ads on top of ads, and it's FREE. Any surprise it's popular?
Give it a few years. Then you'll be PAYING for access to shows riddled with ads on top of ads, if history is any lesson.
No I won't. I'll be reading e-books with embedded commercials in them instead after I ran away from tvs and their commercials, keep those tree books around cuz ebooks is next for the the commercialization !:) sri
Also you still have to pay maintenance on all that road. So I don't buy it. Train travel today is a joke. I look at Amtrak prices and wonder why does it cost as much as air travel with more delays. I would also like to see a high speed corridor between Los Angeles to Vancouver, BC. Then we can see some good people movement. Bullet trains and everything would rock. We have the technology, we don't seem to have the will. I would love to go on a train, get some internet in there and have a relaxing trip than be cooped up in some flight. sri
Really? I would think earthworms would be more appropriate! :)
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I think WOT would lend itself to be an excellent series rather than a movie. There's just too much going on to give it justice in a 2 hour movie. How else can we enjoy all the great machinations everyone was doing? sri
I agree. In any case, I'll figure it out when he comes to visit me. He'll love all the compiz stuff I'll probably put on there.
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