The board will either leave Elon alone to run the company, and only regulate his public communications, or Elon will walk. That's my bet. If Ms. Denholm pokes her pretty little face in any business where customers expect Musk, they'll Bolt. No pun intended.
Yes, the Russians have been putting people in space since the 1960's.
For a country that has a gross domestic product that falls just behind the US state of Texas, the Russian resolve to stay the course is admirable.
While recent developments in the US launch market will likely make Russian launches too expensive to be competitive once Boeing and SpaceX begin carrying humans in less than a year, I have no doubt that Russian engineers are up to the challenge of creating newer and more competitive systems. I sincerely hope that Russia can come up with something faster, cheaper, and better than SpaceX, or anyone, as this would be competitive progress that would benefit all of humanity.
Free speech and democracy were created at places like Pnyx. Can you imagine a hoard of Persian trolls trying to anonymously derail a discussion or a vote by disguising their voice and wearing a bag over their head?
Disagreements, arguments, even fist fights, and the tossing of rotten fruit and half eaten lunches should not only be expected, but encouraged. But that's not what we have.
What the internet has devolved into is truly dystopian.
For now, GM is focused on naming the e-bikes. And it's turning to the public to help. The company launched a brand-naming campaign Friday as part of its broader e-bike announcement.
Agreed, and another poster properly chastised me for harshing on the engineers. The whole damn industry is so inefficient and corrupt that I'm inclined to throw the baby out with the bath water. This is a character flaw that I've added to the list...
Your recollection is close, the major difference is that it wasn't NASA engineers who were doing the developing, rather an engineering team at TRW (acquired by Northrop), who were working under a NASA contract to modernize the lunar module engines used on the Saturn/Apollo moon landers. Ultimately NASA cancelled that contract before the new motor could fly, and Elon Musk was able to romance and recruit the lead engineer and his entire team - Tom Mueller.
You win the internet for the day, perfect response:) I'm going to use variations on that when I explain to visiting relatives why we have no TV service. She's gonna hurt me.
Yeah, lately it's been Catan, which isn't very good for just 2 players, but we get lots of practice in order to decimate our children and their significant others for when we all visit during the holidays. The kids don't watch much television either as they are rather active and socially well adjusted, and always rather busy.
On one recent game I played nothing but development cards and the robber, and won handily. The wife was so pissed I damn near had to leave the house for a while, and the dog was traumatized. That was a good game, for me:)
Our big family games usually descent into winners vs losers arm wrestling matches, pull-up competitions with taunting and talking smack, lots of dead-arm shoulder punching, and obligatory shots of tequila. The bruising usually fades by Easter.
Your idea of board games must be the kind that pacifists play, where everyone is happy, there's no strife, taunting, or name calling. Either way, sitting face to face with other humans is something that I suspect you haven't had enough of, based on your response. Try it, it might mellow out your temperament a bit. I'd invite you over, but I'm afraid you'd just get injured.
I have an Amazon Prime account, and between that and Youtube and PirateBay I don't see the need to buy cable.
^^^^^ THIS:)
I cancelled my cable TV subscription and discovered I have a WIFE!? We started talking more, playing board games, card games, and taking the dog for walks together.
Damn, she's an interesting human. Fortunately I've realized what a soul-sucking waste of time television is before either one of us died of ennui.
I'll join in support of your argument if everyone that earns something is taxed a small amount to support public infrastructure and social programs for public schools, etc.
Fair question. There are some worthwhile things that NASA engineers are allowed to do. They just aren't very efficient through no fault of their own.
After watching NASA and Congress sling money around for half a century, it seems that NASA and their engineers just become pawns for congress and defense contractors to swindle more money. So, I guess that's why I'm trash talking this project and why perhaps I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water.
"After 18 months living and working on the surface of Mars, a crew of six explorers boards a deep-space transport rocket and leaves for Earth"
No, they won't, because they would be dead from the radiation. Why does Mars fantasy completely ignore reality and basic science? It is like a blind spot in space nutters when they hear the word "Mars colony".
Citation please.
Here's NASA's own basic science:
The Mars Radiation Environment Experiment has shown that radiation on the surface of Mars is likely no worse than on the International Space Station. The exception is during directional solar emissions called Solar Particle (or Proton) Events, during which time Martians can take cover underground or beneath better shielding. Such events are relatively short duration and could be viewed as taking shelter during a storm. Would you consider Florida uninhabitable because some fragile wood frame houses get blown away by a hurricane ever half century or so?
Oh look, NASA engineers are playing in the dirt. They might as well practice mining for gold in finely shredded cash.
So far the Orion capsule, just the capsule and it's service module mind you - not a rocket, not a long-term habitat, not a lander/ascent vehicle, just a capsule, will cost the US $18,000,000,000 (so far). That's eighteen BILLION. For a capsule. That will sustain life for a month or so. With diaper wearing astronauts inside.
From the link above, here's what that 18 BILLION isn't paying for:
These prior Orion costs:
1. Exclude costs "for production, operations, or sustainment of additional crew capsules, despite plans to use and possibly enhance this capsule after 2021"[105] 2. Exclude costs of the first Service Module and spare parts[106] to be provided by the European Space Agency for the test flight of Orion in 2020 (about $1 billion)[107] 3. Exclude costs to assemble, integrate, prepare and launch the Orion and its launcher (funded under the NASA Ground Operations Project,[108] currently about $400M[109] per year) 4. Exclude costs of the launcher, the SLS, for the Orion spacecraft
There are no NASA estimates for the Orion program recurring yearly costs once operational, for a certain flight rate per year, or for the resulting average cost per flight.
So this is basically a long-term Lockheed Martin/Boeing subsidy. The US taxpayer is buying something that nobody knows how much it will cost to operate or sustain. Boys and girls, this is what happens when politicians spend someone else's money with reckless abandon. If allowed to continue, congress will be raping your ability to retire in order to pay for THEIR retirement.
In comparison, the Falcon Heavy cost between 500 MILLION and 1 BILLION to develop. For something can can be launched far more cheaply (and re-used) the Saturn program ever dreamed of. SLS will do no better than Saturn. By the time the SLS Launcher, Orion spacecraft, habitats, and ascent/decent vehicles are designed and built, Lockheed and Boeing's cost will be in the TRILLIONS for a Mars mission, and decades will have passed.
It's time to stop throwing good money after bad and let the private sector do what it's good at, and let Lockheed & Boeing compete freely and fairly: they spend their own money to develop something, they present it, if it's good, someone buys their product or service. Enough free money, open-ended contracts and bonuses paid out for demonstrating nothing more that cost overruns and slipping schedules. Cancel Orion and SLS. If Uncle Sam wants space toys for the military, let it come entirely out of a Pentagon budget and not pollute NASA further. The shuttle was a disaster of merging civil space and military requirements that we don't need to repeat.
The sons of vanquished foes would be enslaved and often forced to work in male brothels, as in the case of Phaedo of Elis, who at the request of Socrates was bought and freed from such an enterprise by the philosopher's rich friends.[102] On the other hand, it is attested in sources that the rape of slaves was prosecuted, at least occasionally.[103]
Unlike the Spartans, the Attics frowned upon enslaving fellow Greeks, which probably led to the extra sympathy for Phaedo. The more typical foreign slaves probably didn't fare so well in Athens, or anywhere.
So, let me get this straight. The foundation that was formed to be public relations for Thomas Jefferson's estate is actually pro-Thomas Jefferson?
Astonishing.
Your words, my emphasis. The folks at Monticello can speak for themselves as to whether or not they are trying to accurately represent history or simply be public relations.
I'd suggest you simply visit, review their record and ask them, but you seem to have already made up your mind.
Can you imagine the raucous, fruit-throwing shouting match debates between citizens, discussing important issues during the foundation of western civilization, at Pnyx, while some citizen tried to conceal their identity with a hood and false voice?
I'd love to hear their laughter and derision, and watch the crows pick all the tossed lunches and partially rotten fruit off the ground in the aftermath.
American Politics is boring, and Americans tend to take themselves far too seriously. If you don't have the courage to put your own foot in your mouth and eat a bit of crow now and then, then just shut the fuck up and quit pretending not to be a lying shill.
If a car has enough AI to decide who lives or dies, then it's a waste of AI. Put the AI in some sort of chassis than can get in and out of a car, drive when asked, and do other useful things, like help me learn a foreign language and play the piano:
I also forgot my original username and password from the early days of Slashdot, and I have no record of an email I got, as a result of some early postings, asking me to participate in some new fangled moderation system they were working on. The email was from some dude named Rob Malda. I was in grad school at the time and too busy to take any of this shit seriously, so I kind of blew it off. Sorry Rob.
Anyway, your excuse for remaining an AC is lame, and I'd hit you with my cane, if I could see where you are.
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The board will either leave Elon alone to run the company, and only regulate his public communications, or Elon will walk. That's my bet. If Ms. Denholm pokes her pretty little face in any business where customers expect Musk, they'll Bolt. No pun intended.
Yes, the Russians have been putting people in space since the 1960's.
For a country that has a gross domestic product that falls just behind the US state of Texas, the Russian resolve to stay the course is admirable.
While recent developments in the US launch market will likely make Russian launches too expensive to be competitive once Boeing and SpaceX begin carrying humans in less than a year, I have no doubt that Russian engineers are up to the challenge of creating newer and more competitive systems. I sincerely hope that Russia can come up with something faster, cheaper, and better than SpaceX, or anyone, as this would be competitive progress that would benefit all of humanity.
Good luck in all your peaceful endeavors.
Free speech and democracy were created at places like Pnyx. Can you imagine a hoard of Persian trolls trying to anonymously derail a discussion or a vote by disguising their voice and wearing a bag over their head?
Disagreements, arguments, even fist fights, and the tossing of rotten fruit and half eaten lunches should not only be expected, but encouraged. But that's not what we have.
What the internet has devolved into is truly dystopian.
If computers are the amplifiers of humanity, then networks are the attenuators.
Right now openness, transparency, and truth are overly attenuated. It didn't used to be that way, alt.pave.the.earth being a past humorous exception.
Anonymity, location hiding, and special interest groups are destroying what people like Dr. Berners-Lee intended.
I sincerely hope he can achieve some level of success in his effort to fix what he helped create and what lesser humans have distorted.
Once again, sarcasm has failed me.
My intent was a slap in the face insult to GM based on their history with electric vehicles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
For now, GM is focused on naming the e-bikes. And it's turning to the public to help. The company launched a brand-naming campaign Friday as part of its broader e-bike announcement.
I suggest they call it the General Motors EV-2.
Gravity might not be a fundamental force of nature at all, only a side effect of other things.
Google 'entropic theory of gravity'.
Agreed, and another poster properly chastised me for harshing on the engineers. The whole damn industry is so inefficient and corrupt that I'm inclined to throw the baby out with the bath water. This is a character flaw that I've added to the list...
Your recollection is close, the major difference is that it wasn't NASA engineers who were doing the developing, rather an engineering team at TRW (acquired by Northrop), who were working under a NASA contract to modernize the lunar module engines used on the Saturn/Apollo moon landers. Ultimately NASA cancelled that contract before the new motor could fly, and Elon Musk was able to romance and recruit the lead engineer and his entire team - Tom Mueller.
You win the internet for the day, perfect response :) I'm going to use variations on that when I explain to visiting relatives why we have no TV service. She's gonna hurt me.
Yeah, lately it's been Catan, which isn't very good for just 2 players, but we get lots of practice in order to decimate our children and their significant others for when we all visit during the holidays. The kids don't watch much television either as they are rather active and socially well adjusted, and always rather busy.
On one recent game I played nothing but development cards and the robber, and won handily. The wife was so pissed I damn near had to leave the house for a while, and the dog was traumatized. That was a good game, for me :)
Our big family games usually descent into winners vs losers arm wrestling matches, pull-up competitions with taunting and talking smack, lots of dead-arm shoulder punching, and obligatory shots of tequila. The bruising usually fades by Easter.
Your idea of board games must be the kind that pacifists play, where everyone is happy, there's no strife, taunting, or name calling. Either way, sitting face to face with other humans is something that I suspect you haven't had enough of, based on your response. Try it, it might mellow out your temperament a bit. I'd invite you over, but I'm afraid you'd just get injured.
No, it certainly is not. I'm not sure he made it clear one way or another what he was arguing for, but you bring up a good point.
I have an Amazon Prime account, and between that and Youtube and PirateBay I don't see the need to buy cable.
^^^^^ THIS :)
I cancelled my cable TV subscription and discovered I have a WIFE!? We started talking more, playing board games, card games, and taking the dog for walks together.
Damn, she's an interesting human. Fortunately I've realized what a soul-sucking waste of time television is before either one of us died of ennui.
I believe you are arguing in support of some form of the broken window fallacy.
I'll join in support of your argument if everyone that earns something is taxed a small amount to support public infrastructure and social programs for public schools, etc.
Those articles have references straight from NASA peer reviewed studies, so I'll take their word for it over yours.
Fair question. There are some worthwhile things that NASA engineers are allowed to do. They just aren't very efficient through no fault of their own.
After watching NASA and Congress sling money around for half a century, it seems that NASA and their engineers just become pawns for congress and defense contractors to swindle more money. So, I guess that's why I'm trash talking this project and why perhaps I'm throwing the baby out with the bath water.
"After 18 months living and working on the surface of Mars, a crew of six explorers boards a deep-space transport rocket and leaves for Earth"
No, they won't, because they would be dead from the radiation. Why does Mars fantasy completely ignore reality and basic science? It is like a blind spot in space nutters when they hear the word "Mars colony".
Citation please.
Here's NASA's own basic science:
The Mars Radiation Environment Experiment has shown that radiation on the surface of Mars is likely no worse than on the International Space Station. The exception is during directional solar emissions called Solar Particle (or Proton) Events, during which time Martians can take cover underground or beneath better shielding. Such events are relatively short duration and could be viewed as taking shelter during a storm. Would you consider Florida uninhabitable because some fragile wood frame houses get blown away by a hurricane ever half century or so?
Oh look, NASA engineers are playing in the dirt. They might as well practice mining for gold in finely shredded cash.
So far the Orion capsule, just the capsule and it's service module mind you - not a rocket, not a long-term habitat, not a lander/ascent vehicle, just a capsule, will cost the US $18,000,000,000 (so far). That's eighteen BILLION. For a capsule. That will sustain life for a month or so. With diaper wearing astronauts inside.
From the link above, here's what that 18 BILLION isn't paying for:
These prior Orion costs:
1. Exclude costs "for production, operations, or sustainment of additional crew capsules, despite plans to use and possibly enhance this capsule after 2021"[105]
2. Exclude costs of the first Service Module and spare parts[106] to be provided by the European Space Agency for the test flight of Orion in 2020 (about $1 billion)[107]
3. Exclude costs to assemble, integrate, prepare and launch the Orion and its launcher (funded under the NASA Ground Operations Project,[108] currently about $400M[109] per year)
4. Exclude costs of the launcher, the SLS, for the Orion spacecraft
There are no NASA estimates for the Orion program recurring yearly costs once operational, for a certain flight rate per year, or for the resulting average cost per flight.
So this is basically a long-term Lockheed Martin/Boeing subsidy. The US taxpayer is buying something that nobody knows how much it will cost to operate or sustain. Boys and girls, this is what happens when politicians spend someone else's money with reckless abandon. If allowed to continue, congress will be raping your ability to retire in order to pay for THEIR retirement.
In comparison, the Falcon Heavy cost between 500 MILLION and 1 BILLION to develop. For something can can be launched far more cheaply (and re-used) the Saturn program ever dreamed of. SLS will do no better than Saturn. By the time the SLS Launcher, Orion spacecraft, habitats, and ascent/decent vehicles are designed and built, Lockheed and Boeing's cost will be in the TRILLIONS for a Mars mission, and decades will have passed.
It's time to stop throwing good money after bad and let the private sector do what it's good at, and let Lockheed & Boeing compete freely and fairly: they spend their own money to develop something, they present it, if it's good, someone buys their product or service. Enough free money, open-ended contracts and bonuses paid out for demonstrating nothing more that cost overruns and slipping schedules. Cancel Orion and SLS. If Uncle Sam wants space toys for the military, let it come entirely out of a Pentagon budget and not pollute NASA further. The shuttle was a disaster of merging civil space and military requirements that we don't need to repeat.
Excellent point. Are you insinuating that there is a comparison between the Sabine Women and Sally Hemings? That is an interesting thought...
This is far from a singular event, women (or anyone conquered) being a fairly typical spoil of war.
Then there's the helot problem, the favorite play toys of the Spartan Krypteia.
As to your specific question - the basis for sexual assault on slaves, see the bottom of this section on slavery in the ancient world:
The sons of vanquished foes would be enslaved and often forced to work in male brothels, as in the case of Phaedo of Elis, who at the request of Socrates was bought and freed from such an enterprise by the philosopher's rich friends.[102] On the other hand, it is attested in sources that the rape of slaves was prosecuted, at least occasionally.[103]
Unlike the Spartans, the Attics frowned upon enslaving fellow Greeks, which probably led to the extra sympathy for Phaedo. The more typical foreign slaves probably didn't fare so well in Athens, or anywhere.
A agree with you completely. Judging history through modern lenses is hard not to do, but a worthy effort in pursuit of true understanding.
I've also reviewed my ancestry, and it seems rape and slavery was the norm.
How I wish I had mod points for you :)
So, let me get this straight. The foundation that was formed to be public relations for Thomas Jefferson's estate is actually pro-Thomas Jefferson?
Astonishing.
Your words, my emphasis. The folks at Monticello can speak for themselves as to whether or not they are trying to accurately represent history or simply be public relations.
I'd suggest you simply visit, review their record and ask them, but you seem to have already made up your mind.
I'd mod you up for this if I could ...
Can you imagine the raucous, fruit-throwing shouting match debates between citizens, discussing important issues during the foundation of western civilization, at Pnyx, while some citizen tried to conceal their identity with a hood and false voice?
I'd love to hear their laughter and derision, and watch the crows pick all the tossed lunches and partially rotten fruit off the ground in the aftermath.
American Politics is boring, and Americans tend to take themselves far too seriously. If you don't have the courage to put your own foot in your mouth and eat a bit of crow now and then, then just shut the fuck up and quit pretending not to be a lying shill.
Entertaining politics of and for non-cowards
If a car has enough AI to decide who lives or dies, then it's a waste of AI. Put the AI in some sort of chassis than can get in and out of a car, drive when asked, and do other useful things, like help me learn a foreign language and play the piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I also forgot my original username and password from the early days of Slashdot, and I have no record of an email I got, as a result of some early postings, asking me to participate in some new fangled moderation system they were working on. The email was from some dude named Rob Malda. I was in grad school at the time and too busy to take any of this shit seriously, so I kind of blew it off. Sorry Rob.
Anyway, your excuse for remaining an AC is lame, and I'd hit you with my cane, if I could see where you are.
Reference please.