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The Average Cable Bill Has Increased More Than 50 Percent Since 2010 (streamingobserver.com)

According to new research, the average cost households pay for cable is now up to $107 a month -- that's a 50% increase since 2010 when cable bills were $71.24 a month. When compared to last year, it's only a 1% increase, "thanks in large part to increasing fees for things like regional sports licensing and taxes," reports Streaming Observer. From the report: Leichtman Research Group's data was gathered through a telephone survey of 1,152 households from throughout the United States. The research found that 78% of American households still subscribe to a paid TV subscription. That percentage is down from 86% in 2013, 87% in 2008, and 81% in 2004, but 78% is still a pretty high figure given how high cable costs continue to rise each year and how affordable streaming video services are in comparison.

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  1. How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by BrendaEM · · Score: 0

    Internet access is almost necessary to do many financial and civil tasks, and yet, it is difficult for many low-income people afford the internet.

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    1. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't get cable TV along with it.

    2. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by jshackney · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Precisely.

      There's next to nothing on television I want to watch. Internet service is adequate (and has been since my 2009 DSL line) for my tele-viewing needs.

    3. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1, Informative

      Internet access is free at most public libraries. Some even keep a free wifi running 24/7. You'll claim this is too much of a burden for the poor, won't you?

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    4. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kodi and Linux boxes for starters. It proves many Americans can't compute VPN service + Kodi = Win Win. I live in a trailer park, and lets just say quite a bit of cat5 cable runs from trailer to trailer. I've never been happier with the new provider - it is almost 'yes' to everything.

    5. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drive 200 miles on icey roads to use library internet, what could be the problem with that?

    6. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yet, my internet only package is ~$100 / month. ( My router, my cable modem )
      What you pay differs VASTLY depending upon where you live and if any competition ( Fios, Google Fiber, AT&T Gigapower, etc ) exists in your neighborhood.

      If Google rolled in here tomorrow, Comcast would probably cut my bill in HALF just to keep everyone from jumping ship.

    7. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't live 200 miles away from books

    8. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 2

      Bingo, me too. I'm too poor to get an iPhone, I've got a years old Android or two. I get internet ONLY (29Mb/6Mb), and then OTA for Tivo. Well, and then add in Roku, Fire and Plex, and HiDive. I also (accidentally) have Verizon unlimited* internet as a backup for the few times Comcast goes down.

      * the OLD actually-unlimited plan, with limited voice and text. Which is full speed unlimited data until 100GB DL, and then it switches to 0.0T since they drop you next month, so I hear. And if you heavily target a single site it's magically unreachable the next month but works fine elsewhere. It's amazing how sensitive the internet is.

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    9. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's next to nothing on television I want to watch. Internet service is adequate (and has been since my 2009 DSL line) for my tele-viewing needs.

      ^^^^^^^^^^^This this this

      I was browsing at a friend's place who has a cable package of a bazillion channels...I went through about 100 channels and found nothing, literally nothing worth watching or paying for.

      I have an Amazon Prime account, and between that and Youtube and PirateBay I don't see the need to buy cable. As Newton C. Minnow said waaaaaay back in 1961:

      "But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite each of you to sit down in front of your television set when your station goes on the air and stay there, for a day, without a book, without a magazine, without a newspaper, without a profit and loss sheet or a rating book to distract you. Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland."

      And nothing has changed except the wasteland is far bigger. Yippee.

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    10. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but if you have cable/satellite, it comes with a DVR, so at any time you have the last X days worth of shows you like from 100 channels. Expecting "something to be on" at a particular time.

      Most of the time, I find it much easier to push 3 buttons on my remote than mess with those other services, and I'm still watching something I like.

    11. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by DanDD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have an Amazon Prime account, and between that and Youtube and PirateBay I don't see the need to buy cable.

      ^^^^^ THIS :)

      I cancelled my cable TV subscription and discovered I have a WIFE!? We started talking more, playing board games, card games, and taking the dog for walks together.

      Damn, she's an interesting human. Fortunately I've realized what a soul-sucking waste of time television is before either one of us died of ennui.

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    12. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem with good snow tires. Which you have, if you're living in a place like that.

    13. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Bruce said: "57 channels and nothing on"

    14. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by GrandCow · · Score: 0

      Are you proud of this statement? That you pay that much for literally only internet per month? I hope you're getting gigabit down and up for that price, because otherwise you should be angry.

      You even say it yourself in the second half of your post, they'd cut prices in half if there was any competition at all. Your post is celebrating that you pay $100/mo because they have a monopoly, and just tossing aside that their costs are so low they'd cut your price in half if anyone even challenged them.

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    15. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by shplopt · · Score: 1

      You must be a lot of fun at parties.

    16. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you proud of this statement? That you pay that much for literally only internet per month? I hope you're getting gigabit down and up for that price, because otherwise you should be angry. You even say it yourself in the second half of your post, they'd cut prices in half if there was any competition at all. Your post is celebrating that you pay $100/mo because they have a monopoly, and just tossing aside that their costs are so low they'd cut your price in half if anyone even challenged them.

      Well now! Let's all step aside and let the Grand Cow take over negotiations! Clearly we're all just fucking morons for paying monopoly prices. I guess we should all just turn off internet service until competition rolls in. That'll teach 'em!

      I have a better idea. You hold your breath and wait for competition to arrive where monopolies still exist, for the benefit of the rest of us.

    17. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by tepples · · Score: 2

      Drive 200 miles on icey roads to use library internet, what could be the problem with that?

      Don't live 200 miles away from books

      Pay tens of thousands of dollars for real estate near a library to use library internet, what could be the problem with that?

    18. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Informative

      What made you think that was a proud proclamation? I read it as a complaint.

      It seems like nehumanuscrede is complaining that their internet-only plan is $100/month, and that it should be much lower, and would be much lower if there were any competition.

    19. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We don't get cable TV along with it.

      The problem with just internet (I'm one of those with just internet), is that the cost to have just internet has quadrupled in price over the same time period too.

      I pay more for just internet than I paid for internet and cable back in 2010 (which is about when I cut out cable TV completely). If you're in an area with competition for broadband you have a little flexibility- for the majority of America living in cable monopolies- cost to get internet is ridiculously high for poor service.

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    20. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Funny

      ^^^^^ THIS :)

      I cancelled my cable TV subscription and discovered I have a WIFE!?

      The same thing happened to me. I'm considering getting a cable TV subscription again.

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    21. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No problem with good snow tires. Which you have, if you're living in a place like that.

      You think people too poor to have Internet have snow tires? No, they have bald all-seasons that should have been replaced two years ago.

    22. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Lousifer · · Score: 1

      It's funny how my cable Internet service went from $80 for ~10-15 megabit when it was a monopoly to $45 for 300 megabit within 2 weeks of AT&T laying fiber behind my house.

      Though they still try to get me to rent a cable modem from them, because the 'substandard' modem I own wouldn't handle the speed, when it's rated for ~400 Mbps

    23. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by pgmrdlm · · Score: 1

      I have 1 T.V. hooked up to cable, and another with an antenna. We mostly watch Netflix on both T.V.s, and other then cartoons on the cable T.V. I prefer the programming on the antenna T.V.. Only like 30 channels, but I like the shows better.

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    24. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HUAHUHAUHAUHAUHAUAH LOL.

      Way to go!

      "Playing board games" WTF, get a freaking life.

    25. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering it costs $120/mo to have internet of any kind, but $50 to have basic tv here, what's been happening is that the internet/cable co's have been transferring losses from their TV side to their internet side, and it's just making the bleeding worse.

      I'll say it again for those in the back. We should break up the "last mile", internet bandwidth providers, and all the other stuff (email, television, phone, film/content divisions) from each other, because that's why these telco's hold such monopoly power in the first place.

      Imagine for a minute where you contact the wireline or wireless company and go "I want to have CenturyLink as my bandwidth provider" thus you port your ip addresses and bandwidth to them. Then if you only want Netflix and your local television news channel you only have to pay for those, directly.

      Another way to increase cord cutting would be for Netflix to make arrangements with news divisions of companies globally (eg CNN, Aljazeera,BBC,CBC,ABC(Australia)) and locally (your local ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS/etc station) to rebroadcast their last 7-30 days of news without commercials, so that people can both catch up if they want, and support their local news sources without having to pay for what is normally broadcast OTA anyway. And I mean news (eg 6pm local news) not the opinion pieces with talking heads. Subscribe to those channels directly if you want to watch the garbage opinion parts.

    26. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact you mentioned Piratebay means you steal for part of your content watching, so no, you're not proving anything here.

      Yes most channels are garbage, because the people who pay through the nose the most are the sports-watchers, and what really pisses off people here is that local games are "blackout" which means even if you subscribe to those channels, you can't even watch them when the team is playing nearby (by which "near" can be a 20 hour drive away.)

    27. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by TheCastro1689 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't sound like you went through the OnDemand type service your friend has. I have every channel, between just the movie channels like FX, HBO, STARS, etc you're going to find something. Through TV it's got almost everything from the current season of any show, plus backlogs of tons especially on premium networks.

    28. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Paying subscription fees for your cable modem when they cost 10 dollars used.

    29. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering it costs $120/mo to have internet of any kind, but $50 to have basic tv here, what's been happening is that the internet/cable co's have been transferring losses from their TV side to their internet side, and it's just making the bleeding worse.

      I don't know if it's available where you live, but we also have the vestiges of the old "phone company," CenturyLink in my case. They want you to buy bundled TV service but you don't have to and it's not their core business. So I get ADSL for about $70/month. It is probably quite a bit slower than "cable internet" but it's also cheaper too, and I don't really need it to be faster (though, sure, it'd be nice).

      Then just pirate all your TV. There might not be any "channel" that is worth watching, but if you sample the best from them all, there's actually a lot of great TV out there, more than a person has time to watch, so you end up even best-of subsampling your best-of sample. And it's all gratis because you can't buy it and watch it on standard (i.e. secure) equipment (thanks to the DRM), so if you limit yourself to standard equipment, then piracy is the only option so you might as well. Amazingly, TV producers still (in 2018!) don't sell mp4 or mkv files yet. When they open for business, things will get more expensive for people in this situation, but for right now, TV is super-cheap (unless you buy DRMed stuff, with all the problems and dangers that entails).

    30. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny how my cable Internet service went from $80 for ~10-15 megabit when it was a monopoly to $45 for 300 megabit within 2 weeks of AT&T laying fiber behind my house.

      Though they still try to get me to rent a cable modem from them, because the 'substandard' modem I own wouldn't handle the speed, when it's rated for ~400 Mbps

      I get those speeds on my phone (8-16megabit) and I'm out in the sticks! I wouldn't even bother having a land based service if that's all they could offer. When I'm in the city I get closer to 70 megabits. I'm not sure why anyone pays for cable anymore.

    31. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cable company (hint: starts with C) now rolls the cost in to the bill. No more benefit to owning your own. Previously, it was a $5/mo discount. They've also disallowed user owned modems on their network, also. I suspect it was because people had figured out how to get top tier access on their modem and not pay for it (modem phreaking?).

      For the less technically minded, they are also pushing a N or AC router service for an additional $5/mo. I suspect they're going to add an additional 'roaming internet' or 'cable anywhere' plan for $5/mo per device. One last technical bit: Those routers also use IPv6, so Cable Co C can see exactly how many devices are utilising their network at any given time.

      TL;DR It is a great time to be a Cable Co. There's all kinds of ways they can extract RGUs (Revenue Generating Units) from their users.

    32. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      I live in a trailer park, and lets just say quite a bit of cat5 cable runs from trailer to trailer.

      More communities need to be doing this. We're not networked with our neighbors; it's totally crazy and inefficient. If one person has downloaded something from a data center hundreds of miles away, the next person should be downloading it from next door, not the same long-distance, super-busy network.

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    33. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's Newton N. Minow (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_N._Minow), as I learned from Wikipedia.

    34. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      And yet you're still paying the same company for your internet needs and the cost of Internet Access has been steadily increasing. Congratulations on eliminating one of the services you subscribe to....

    35. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      What's your phone bill again....but yeah watch streaming content on your phone :0

    36. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      THANK YOU!

      That's the fucking point: NO COMPETITION. You can drop tv all you want but you're getting internet from the same company who just jacks the rates on the internet service. We need competition. More companies providing the service.

    37. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm in the same boat. Cable + Internet = $120. Internet only = $94.99. I've been with DirecTV for a while - they had a come on offer of $19.99/month for 2 years. As that is coming to an end soon, I'm not sure what I'll do next. Spectrum is the only game in my town. Verizon DSL ends 2 miles from my house. The nearest home serviced by Comcast is the next town over.

    38. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm. I am shocked how much everyone else here is paying for internet only. I live in Chicago and there's a local internet provider SilverIP. All I pay is $35 per month for 100 Mpbs. Nothing extra. And you can get 1Gbps for $55.

    39. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      "Playing board games" WTF, get a freaking life.

      Pro Tip: Get a wife or girlfriend and maybe you won't be such a bitter cunt.

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    40. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Doesn't sound like you went through the OnDemand type service your friend has. I have every channel, between just the movie channels like FX, HBO, STARS, etc you're going to find something. Through TV it's got almost everything from the current season of any show, plus backlogs of tons especially on premium networks.

      I appreciate the suggestion, but my goal in life isn't to watch more TV.

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    41. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by corydoras · · Score: 1

      Worst case, there's public libraries.

      When I lived in a semi-rural town, our cable ISP offered a 3mbit down / 1mbit up plan for $15/month and it was great. Now that I live in a very rural town, the cheapest DSL plan is $70/month, and it's a problem.

      The people saying that they don't add a television plan don't understand what being poor means. That's like finding magical money by not buying $6 coffees.

    42. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by DanDD · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, lately it's been Catan, which isn't very good for just 2 players, but we get lots of practice in order to decimate our children and their significant others for when we all visit during the holidays. The kids don't watch much television either as they are rather active and socially well adjusted, and always rather busy.

      On one recent game I played nothing but development cards and the robber, and won handily. The wife was so pissed I damn near had to leave the house for a while, and the dog was traumatized. That was a good game, for me :)

      Our big family games usually descent into winners vs losers arm wrestling matches, pull-up competitions with taunting and talking smack, lots of dead-arm shoulder punching, and obligatory shots of tequila. The bruising usually fades by Easter.

      Your idea of board games must be the kind that pacifists play, where everyone is happy, there's no strife, taunting, or name calling. Either way, sitting face to face with other humans is something that I suspect you haven't had enough of, based on your response. Try it, it might mellow out your temperament a bit. I'd invite you over, but I'm afraid you'd just get injured.

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    43. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by DanDD · · Score: 1

      You win the internet for the day, perfect response :) I'm going to use variations on that when I explain to visiting relatives why we have no TV service. She's gonna hurt me.

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    44. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Video piracy is stealing in the same sense that it's thieving on the high seas - i.e. not at all.

      If you're going to use words, fucking learn what they mean.

      Steal a movie from your local department store, get caught, get banned from the store for shoplifting.

      Pirate a movie online, get caught, get a fine bigger than your entire lifetime income.

      Actually, can we start TREATING piracy like stealing? It would be much more proportional to the "crime".

    45. Re:How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      The fact you mentioned Piratebay means you steal for part of your content watching, so no, you're not proving anything here.

      Actually, PirateBay has a lot of perfectly legal stuff.

      Shame on you for assuming that I'm "stealing" anything.

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    46. Re: How Do Poor People Afford Internet? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but if you have cable/satellite, it comes with a DVR, so at any time you have the last X days worth of shows you like from 100 channels.

      So there's 100 days of more craptastic junk that I didn't want to watch then and (still) don't want to watch now. How is that better?

      Most of the time, I find it much easier to push 3 buttons on my remote

      Most of the time I find it much easier to go outside or visit friends or have fun in my workshop or spend time with my wife and family.

      Enjoy your remote; I'm sure the two of you will have many rewarding hours together.

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  2. Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 3, Informative

    ... for a big part of the market. These companies need to understand that by hiking rates they're causing more people to cut the cord. They need to go for volume if they're to survive as TV businesses (and not just ISP's).

    1. Re: Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Maybe if they didnt bundle crap channels with basic packages, people may be more inclined to keep cable. Do I want OWN, Lifetime, FYI, Hallmark or any of that crap? Nope.

    2. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jshackney · · Score: 1

      I don't think they get it. I can't just demand more money from the people who pay me. Well, I can, but it rarely works out the way I think it should :-D

    3. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't like it, you can always get cable from another provider.... ...well...err....uh...how about....
      In most of the US they have a monopoly. If you are really lucky you can switch to the other ripoff cable provider in your area.

    4. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      our bill went from $110 with all the premiums and extra tiers and '1 tier higher than slowest' internet to $140 with NO premiums, no extra tiers, about a dozen LESS channels in the base package than there used to be, and slowest-available internet.

      so $30 more for less, and 15x4 + 10x2 + 5 + 20 = $105 for what we gave up = $135 + 110 = $245 to get what we had. that's well over 100% increase since 2005 when we had to start downgrading services.

    5. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      our bill went from $110 with all the premiums and extra tiers and '1 tier higher than slowest' internet to $140 with NO premiums, no extra tiers, about a dozen LESS channels in the base package than there used to be, and slowest-available internet.

      so $30 more for less, and 15x4 + 10x2 + 5 + 20 = $105 for what we gave up = $135 + 110 = $245 to get what we had. that's well over 100% increase since 2005 when we had to start downgrading services.

      You're the dumbass who is still using cable - LOL!

    6. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Funny

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      You're quite welcome.

      so $30 more for less, and 15x4 + 10x2 + 5 + 20 = $105 for what we gave up = $135 + 110 = $245 to get what we had. that's well over 100% increase since 2005 when we had to start downgrading services.

      You're welcome to join us and become a cord cutter too. We have cookies.

    7. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by tepples · · Score: 1

      Say your cable company makes these offers:

      • Internet only: $99.99/mo
      • Bundle deal with Internet and TV: $89.99/mo (plus $10/mo local channels and regional sports surcharge)

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

    8. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jdharm · · Score: 1
      We get it. We don't want the crap either but the content providers tell us that if we want to carry the channels you do want then we have to carry all that crap you don't, and we get charged per customer per channel. So when they demand we carry another channel you've never heard of and don't want we have no choice but to pass that cost on to you, otherwise you'll loose that one channel you are really interested in. Federal law says they can do this and we have to suck it up.

      "thanks in large part to increasing fees for things like regional sports licensing and taxes,"

      100% of this rate increase, at least in our system, is directly attributable to the hikes in prices by the content providers that we pass on to customers. Our local ABC affiliate is a good example. They went from charging us $1 per customer to $4 per customer. Bam! Done. And there's nothing we can do about it. And every content network is doing this kind of crap. (Though not to this degree, admittedly.)

      We just pass on the cost without any margin for ourselves. We make $0 on content. Nothing. The portion of the bill we charge for ourselves to run the cable system hasn't increased in 20 years.

    9. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      Is that the sound of your PVR's hard disk crashing or the world's tiniest violin?

      It's your own fault, not the cord cutters. They are giving you less stuff for the same money, and you are accepting that. There is no down side for them, some people pay more and people like you pay the same for less.

      That's why prices aren't going down. If more people ditched cable TV they would be forced to offer a more attractive, competitive product.

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    10. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      Since you are posting AC I think we can cut to the chase.
      You are incredibly stupid if you think cord cutters instead of "shareholder value" AKA profits is what raised the price. If there were no cord cutters the price would still have gone up as much as they could raise it.
      As they would use people dropping to calculate when they were raising rates too much I suspect cable cutters have actually kept your bills down.

      So cut your cord. Netflix for ~10$ a month. I can't recommend Amazon as they have started playing commercials before their features (their offerings are also awful, things like Youtube scrapings and "movies" than no one wants). Netflix should be enough to satisfy your need to endlessly search without finding something to watch.

      After that (do not share this and ruin it for us) go the library and check out the latest releases for 0$ per month. It is like Redbox only free.

    11. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not fighting with Comcast over giant rate increases for a worthless cable television advertising package that you didn't want in the first place.

    12. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by chispito · · Score: 1

      Say your cable company makes these offers:

      • Internet only: $99.99/mo
      • Bundle deal with Internet and TV: $89.99/mo (plus $10/mo local channels and regional sports surcharge)

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

      Eventually the benefit is that's a great market for a competing ISP to enter.

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    13. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      "In most of the US they have a monopoly."

      I guess this is true if you don't count DirectTV, Dish, Sling, Hulu, Netflix, YouTube or one of the many other providers with regular new/old content.

    14. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The biggest would be that it's not really $89/mo + $10/mo local channels. They'll also charge you a fee per outlet in your house, a cable box rental fee, a local cable TV franchise tax, a miscellaneous maintenance fee, a month with five mondays fee, a...

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    15. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      FYI, unless you've dropped all their services, you didn't cut the cord. You've eliminated one service. That's all. And they don't care because you are still getting that service from them and paying through the nose.

    16. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 0

      Unless you've eliminated all their services, you didn't cut the cord. That's a euphemism stupid people use.

    17. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      No they wouldn't. They just continue to jack up the internet rates. Most people who said they cut the cord, just eliminated TV. Hardly sticking it to the man now is it...

    18. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 1

      You're welcome to join us and become a cord cutter too. We have cookies.

      And Netflix.

      After not having cable (or satellite) TV for about 15 years, when I have a chance to experience cable TV these days, I can't imagine paying for it. You have to watch shows when they are on, instead of when you want to? Every show is interrupted every 6 minutes for 3 minutes of commercials? I wouldn't want that if it were free.

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    19. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      To be another brick in the wall.

      Broadcast TV is dead. Cable bundles are dead. They're just barely hanging on because of folks like you (and my wife) won't stop giving them a way to make the books show that TV can still turn a profit, and that people still want it.

      We don't want it. We want on-demand. We want a back catalog. We want to binge a series. We want more than 22 minutes of content in an hour. We want a fucking search function.

      The sooner TV dies, the better. And before some asshat blubbers , "But mah spoorts!", individual sports streams are already a thing. Youtube Live is already a thing. The ESPN and individual sport broadcast apps are a thing. You don't need 1000 expensive channels of garbage to watch sports.

      You want sports? Pay your fucking $40 a month to ESPN for your sports. Stop expecting the rest of us to subsidize it with a TV bundle.

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    20. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Say your cable company makes these offers:

      • Internet only: $99.99/mo
      • Bundle deal with Internet and TV: $89.99/mo (plus $10/mo local channels and regional sports surcharge)

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

      The benefit is that you are not paying all the taxes, franchise fees, box rentals, and other assorted bullshit they add on to the price. I'd rather pay $99.99 and not have to pray that they don't suddenly throw in some fee - just because - from one month to the next. I cut the cord five years ago and the cable company has probably spent several hundred dollars in that time on postage and high quality marketing materials I receive every other day begging my return. They offer all sorts of wonderful deals but unfortunately I played that game once before and know just how those deals work out in the end. Their plea falls on deaf ears.

    21. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having to wrestle with the company x months later when the bill goes way up because the 89.99 was a 'special offer' for the first x months only, along with all the stupid surcharges they love to tack onto TV service. Besides, the fewer stuff that can go wrong hanging off the wiring, the better.

    22. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by tepples · · Score: 1

      We don't want it. We want on-demand. We want a back catalog.

      A valid criticism of satellite television. But cable offers a fairly large selection of video on demand, but the studios won't let the networks offer all episodes of all seasons because that would unfairly compete with DVD box set sales.

      Youtube Live is already a thing.

      Not in my ZIP code, according to YouTube TV's signup form.

      The ESPN and individual sport broadcast apps are a thing.

      And the first thing users see is "Sign in with the username and password issued by your participating multichannel pay TV provider."

    23. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      Touche!
      I don't watch much TV so I forgot about most of them. I do have Netflix and access to YouTube. I think Netflix is superior to cable but was not aware that it offered cable (other than shows that used to be on cable).

    24. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      so thank you to all the fucking 'cord cutters' that raised the rates for everybody else.

      Are you really making the argument that by not having cable TV, I'm responsible for your prices?

      You should work in the Federal Government. Yeah, a while ago they made the argument that basically boiled down to "farmers who don't sell their products across state lines are depriving the interstate market of goods and thereby affect the prices of goods in other states. Thus, they are open to regulation under the commerce clause." SCOTUS agreed...

      Your mentality is equally retarded.

    25. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Uh.. You show me any cable company offering 2 plans for the exact same price.. I think you're full of crap.

      If they offer internet for $99/month OR internet plus TV for $99 a month, you're either lying or they are fucking you. They MUST pay the content providers for the programming/channels they carry. So, if they offer two services for the exact same price, but one costs them a bunch of money.. then I'd argue that they are overcharging for the internet option.

    26. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by tepples · · Score: 1

      They MUST pay the content providers for the programming/channels they carry.

      A lot of which they recoup by selling ad time on those channels. Typical retransmission agreements allow cable system operators to replace a few commercials per hour.

    27. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by jpaine619 · · Score: 1

      Fair point. I hadn't considered that.

      Counterpoint:

      In a situation like this, what's the benefit of cutting TV?

      Not existing as a couch potato? Beyond a few news stations television, in and of itself, provides no net positive benefit to society. Actually I'd guess/argue the reverse is true. I've done zero research, but I'd be willing to bet a few bucks that obesity started ticking up the day after TV was invented.

      I'm not arguing or even suggesting it be banned (freedom, personal choice, etc etc). But, it's crap. So.. I'd say the benefit of cutting TV is the possibility of a longer and healthier life.. It's also a propaganda box for consumerism and politics.. But that's another story..

    28. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Broadcast TV is dead. Cable bundles are dead. They're just barely hanging on because of folks like you (and my wife) won't stop giving them a way to make the books show that TV can still turn a profit, and that people still want it.

      I like broadcast TV. Viewership is actually increasing as cable collapses and more realize what they can get for free with just an antenna.

      The sooner TV dies, the better.

      For whom? Certainly not me.

    29. Re:Average cable internet bill has gone down 100% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they wouldn't. They just continue to jack up the internet rates. Most people who said they cut the cord, just eliminated TV. Hardly sticking it to the man now is it...

      Oh ye of little brains, dropping TV service is the whole point, they claim that their big cost center is retransmission fees, it's why there are blackouts for content regularly. Killing off of the TV side eliminates that, it then becomes easier to fight them in court over massively inflated data service prices.

  3. Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by AlanObject · · Score: 5, Informative

    I had been a Comcast customer for years. I had Internet, Phone, and Cable TV service. Rate was about $180/month. Two year contract.

    The Internet service is excellent. Not only is it fast and reliable (wasn't always but they fixed things) but they actually do IPv6 right.

    So last year (about 18 months ago) they decide I must be too pleased some it's TIME FOR A FLEECING!

    My contract is up. I want to renew. NOT AN OPTION. I say what do you mean you can't. I'm using it right now. Yes but the 3-service deal is no longer offered. You have to get the 4-service deal. It is called "quad play." In addition to the other services you get home security.

    I say I don't want another security service. I have ADP and have invested $1500 in sensors that would be thrown away if I changed now. Not to mention I would have to purchase more sensors.

    I won't bore you with the details but the choices boiled down to this: 1) ditch Comcast (and I lose the Internet service i depend on for my business). 2) Get the three services I have been using which will cost about $100 more than what I have been paying, or 3) get the FOUR services for about $40 LESS -- FOR NOW -- than I have been paying.

    Now get this. I say ok I'll take the quad play but I'll just not use the home security. So no need to schedule the installers --- hold your horses right there son. We WON'T give you a new contract until AFTER our installers show up to your house, burn a half day of your time, and certify that the service is installed. And there is this wireless pad thing that has to be in the house somewhere.

    I bitch enough that the gal gives me a "free" camera.

    So now I have two security services running at my house -- I never arm the Xfinity one but I do use the camera which is pretty well implemented. I have to feel grateful that they didn't make me unplug the ADT system.

    Somehow the monthly bill has creeped up on me. Now it's $225/month not including the occasional movie my wife buys. Instead of $40 less I was pitched I am now paying $40 more.

    That's my Comcast bitching for today. Thanks for listening.

    1. Re: Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you like sausage?

    2. Re: Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Always record your calls with Comcast. Now you have learned your lesson.

  4. There is a difference between Cable and Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although one wire carries both, internet and cable services are sold separately. My guess is that Internet bills have also increased 100%, though they have dropped per megabyte.

    Now to your question. most internet providers offer services for low income people. Typically, public housing, SNAP, or some other form of proof of low income is needed. Here are a couple of examples:

    https://www.att.com/shop/internet/access/#!/
    https://www.internetessentials.com/
    https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/spectrum-internet-assist/

  5. Much like Apple's business plan by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

    The plan: squeeze more money out of each diehard customer in a shrinking market. Obvious issue is, it makes the market shrink faster. One uncomfortable detail: the demographic of those diehard customers is increasingly on fixed income.

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  6. I can barely remember... by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    Wow. I can barely remember when I had cable (about 10 years ago), and my current house has never had cable service.
    What particularly got me to cut the cord was the excessive sports fees the cable companies were paying and passing on to the consumer. Since I do not watch sports and since some cable companies owned sports teams (i.e. Comcast) were collecting the fees they were charging, I simply opted out. Besides, the only time I had free time to watch TV was when most of the cable channels were broadcasting infomercial after infomercial, it was a "no brainer".

    1. Re:I can barely remember... by tepples · · Score: 1

      Without cable service, how do you connect to the Internet? Or did you choose your current house based on fiber availability? Or do you deal with cellular and its single digit GB per month of tethering?

    2. Re:I can barely remember... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Or do you deal with cellular and its single digit GB per month of tethering?

      It's not single-digit. VZ offers up to something like 18GB/mo (for $99/mo on a hotspot.) Still quite pathetic, though.

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  7. Whoa by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The Average Cable Bill Has Increased More Than 50 Percent Since 2010"

    Man, I'm glad I happened to be sitting down before I read that shocking headline.

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    1. Re:Whoa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish my cable bill was less than $200/month!

  8. Re:There is a difference between Cable and Interne by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My internet-only bill has gone from $24.99 (AT&T, 6 Mbps DSL) in 2009 to $98.00 (Verizon/Frontier 75 Mbps, but more like 3 Mbps when it worked) in 2016.

  9. Bye-Bye Comcast by prisoner-of-enigma · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was paying right at $200/mo for Comcast XFinity. About half that was for 150Mbit (downstream) Internet with no data cap (that's extra, of course). The other half was for STANDARD DEFINITION basic cable.

    I'd happily have taken Google Fiber if it were available but AT&T GigaPower got here first. Now I have 1000Mbit down/800mbit up, HD cable channels (and many more than Comcast offered), three set-top boxes (only one with Comcast), and a DVR (none included with Comcast)...all for only $80/mo.

    Is it any wonder people are ditching traditional cable companies?

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    1. Re:Bye-Bye Comcast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you ditched a "traditional" cable company for what?

      Oh, a traditional phone company.

      Same-same. They will bend you over eventually.

  10. I know why... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's because the content they are delivering has got 50% better, AND, so has their service!! What a wonderful world we live in, good times.

  11. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    You'd put more effort into leaving than you would into finding a job? Astounding.

  12. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by DogDude · · Score: 0

    It's hard being poor and working in the US, dickhead.

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  13. Cable companies are just passing on cost by Revek · · Score: 5, Informative

    You probably are not going to agree but I work for a small cable company and some media companies double their cost per sub every time contracts come up for renewal. Cable companies make almost nothing on video these days. The exception is Comcast. Comcast owns several networks and the HITS platform. As for the rest of us the profit margin is hair thin. If it wasn't for internet sales most small cable companies would have went out of business years ago. When I started working for this company they had twelve systems. Ten years later that number is three. one of the three is actually three towns tied together by fiber. The captive market doesn't allow for true negotiations, so expect more of the same in the future.

    1. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For one month of cable television, I can have a year's worth of Amazon Prime which includes a number of benefits, _including_ unlimited streaming video. Cable's days are numbered.

    2. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      For one month of cable television, I can have a year's worth of Amazon Prime which includes a number of benefits, _including_ unlimited streaming video. Cable's days are numbered.

      This.

      There's more than enough stuff on there to watch, from any genre you care to enjoy.

      So unless you simply MUST have the newest shows when they are first broadcast, I don't get why someone would pay a cable company every month what they could pay Amazon once a year.

    3. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by sabbede · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then there is something wrong in the market. Cable companies should not be willing to accept and pass on the kind of cost increases you describe. They really shouldn't be in that position at all. What are the content companies charging cable companies for anyway? They make money off advertising or subscriptions, so the more homes their content goes to the more valuable their ad time. By all rights, they should be paying cable companies to bring their ads to our homes, not the other way around. Having your content run on cable TV means you don't need a nationwide network of broadcast towers to sell adds that run in all our homes, yet somehow their savings get passed on to us as increased cost? That's not right.

    4. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by tepples · · Score: 0

      Does this streaming video from Amazon include sporting events that aren't carried on local over-the-air television? And how do you even connect to Amazon's servers without a cable?

    5. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only reason is News and sports. There is a small percentage of people who absolutely have to watch a show live. I just streamed an NCAA game last sat night from Kodi on my raspi and it worked flawless. It's by no means perfect but it's a great example. Take that away and you have netflix or prime.. hulu.... free apps on devices like roku that give lots of free channels and movies.

      Don't even get started on file sharing. Yeah, Days are numbered or they will increase the cost of internet to a ridiculous level to recoup costs of cable tv losses.

    6. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Then there is something wrong in the market.

      Yes, it's called lack of competition. The physical plant should be maintained by the municipality and the content and content management equipment should be owned by a plethora of providers.

      At this point the only reason to sell cable is that a lot of people want to watch the same content at the same time, so you can broadcast it to them. As that becomes less true, it will make less and less sense to do that, and more and more sense to do everything based on IP.

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    7. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by jdharm · · Score: 2

      Preach.

      We charge cost on content and our cable operations bill hasn't gone up in 20 years. We lose money on cable TV. The internet department is supporting itself and TV and has been for 10 years because the customers would never stand for the price increase if we passed on the rate hikes of the content providers and a little for ourselves. We've just been passing on the content costs, watching our operations margin shrink to nothing, then slip into the red as we lose ground to inflation.

    8. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Revek · · Score: 1

      Cable isn't going anywhere, you have to get that stream from somewhere. To get all the same content you get from cable would require more than a single online streaming account. By the time you purchase all of that content, you will pay the same amount. Once again this is all the content providers playing profit games with the different streaming services. If you can live without all of the latest and greatest you will be okay with just a prime account. You will however have to learn to live with the lag on all of the popular shows.

    9. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by Revek · · Score: 2

      "Yes, it's called lack of competition. The physical plant should be maintained by the municipality and the content and content management equipment should be owned by a plethora of providers. "

      No, thats not what it is. That municipality will still have to charge for content and infrastructure. Our state has one city owned cable company and they still have all the same problems that the rest of us have and their rates are in line with ours. The problem is that the content providers are not required sell their product at a consistent rate. They charge smaller companies more for the same content. If you don't agree to pay the price you have to remove the channel. No other choice and negotiations really are just take it or leave it.

      "At this point the only reason to sell cable is that a lot of people want to watch the same content at the same time, so you can broadcast it to them. As that becomes less true, it will make less and less sense to do that, and more and more sense to do everything based on IP."

      It would make more sense if the majority of the USA wasn't 20 years behind the rest of the world. We looked into a IP based service called skitter. It looks good and would make video more profitably and allow customers to view content more in line with current consumer preferences. The problem with that is we would have to replace all of our set top and rf infrastructure to support it and that is something the smaller companies just can't do. We don't expect the government to give us any help either. They reserve that kind of help for larger companies and leave nothing for rural systems.

    10. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Then there is something wrong in the market. Cable companies should not be willing to accept and pass on the kind of cost increases you describe.

      The whole story smells like bullshit to me.

      The only way a cable company would feel screwed and like they had to pass on the costs is if there was a competitor carrying the channel, and there usually isn't. They could just drop it and move on with life. Sounds more like they are a monopoly and can charge their customers whatever, so it makes more sense to just skip negotiating down the cost and instead just pass it along to customers.

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    11. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by sabbede · · Score: 1
      There's a ton of BS involved, but it's normal for businesses to pass on increased costs to consumers. And I'm sure you've seen the commercials that content providers run when negotiations get heated - "[your cable company] is going to drop [our channels]! Call now and say you don't want to lose [our channels]!", so there must be a point for them where they dig in their heels, presumably because they know how much heat they'll take from their customers should they implement a commensurate increase in prices.

      I think there is something wrong with the fundamental relationships. Cable companies should not be paying broadcasters, broadcasters make their money from advertising, cable companies from subscriptions. Broadcasters make nothing if people don't see their content, cable companies make nothing if they don't have content. Any fees between cable and content should be nominal and related only to potential connection costs. I don't know why this isn't the case, but I suspect that ESPN and sports are the reason.

    12. Re:Cable companies are just passing on cost by sabbede · · Score: 1

      I agree that the lack of competition is at least a major factor, but I'm skeptical about the idea of fixing it by changing who the single provider is.

  14. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    225! ruddy hell I got off at 120 at my house.

    Right now I am paying 25 because of a special deal with my apartment. It has all 3 services. I only use the internet. The TV is so bad I do not even watch it anymore. I can tell you the entire cable lineup from 1988 from channel 2 through 52.. I *watched* TV now I dont. The service has a literal negative worth to me.

    At my house I got internet and cable for ~28 a month in 1999. When I got out it had crept up to 120. I took that money and bought DVDs and BluRays. I have well past 1500 movies at this point. I do not even bother getting netflix...

  15. Re: Life sucks for poor people in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Perhaps you should stop with the insults and work on improving your work ethic, intelligence, and communication skills. That will rapidly increase your income, although I will doubtless read some impossible outlier sob story about how that is a ridiculous ask.

    We are in a booming economy, jobs are there for the taking. You, not the system, are the current failure.

  16. 76%?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This number is way skewed. The smart people who have cut the cord have either blocked the survey phone number or hung up. :)

  17. Having a job and poverty not mutually exclusive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having a job doesn't get you out of poverty unless you were successful in education, have sufficient social skills to keep yourself out of the slave labor category, or are lucky enough to have a marketable side interest. Without any of these, you continue in poverty, because the money that you earn will barely cover your rent.

    This is not an accident. "What the market will bear" is just another way of describing a cost of living such that the least skilled create a labor force that is perpetually trapped in poverty, which is what keeps them in labor. It's the natural state of a capitalist economy that has nil or only token social planning.

  18. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'm sorry- but it's your own undoing. There are lots of jobs in the US and the low end the spectrum that pay sufficiently to cover the basics. If you live in silicon valley and make six figures and are bitching about being poor I have no sympathy for you. MOVE! Get up on your two legs and migrate someplace cheaper to live. Wilmington, NC or pretty much anywhere in southern New Hampshire has both jobs, cheap housing, and a good life waiting for you. You can literally buy a house for something like $50,000 in NH in places that are pretty nice and have low-skill or no-skill jobs available. I know a lot of people here with $13 / hour jobs. People working at walmart even for christ sake and have houses, cars, cell phones, and a life. You don't have to suffer. If you do suffer it's your own undoing.

  19. If I could only completely cut the cord . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    . . . and not have to have Rectum as my ISP. Only other choice is Centrylink DSL. Would be nice to have some real competition, but since I'm in a rural area I imagine that it will stay that way in the foreseeable future. Doubtful that over-hyped 5G will actually give competition (doubtful that the major cell networks are even interested in building a 5G network here anytime soon.)

  20. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just pay $25 for the slowest internet available (10 mbps is really enough for 99.99% of people), $5 for amazon prime and then another $1/month for a shared seedbox to download whatever isn't on prime...

  21. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 0

    Poor people in the US get free healthcare.

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  22. Naturally it is because... by EzInKy · · Score: 2

    ...they give 50% better service.

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    1. Re:Naturally it is because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, and by service they mean reality TV and advertisements.

  23. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see your house now! comcast is broadcasting your feed on trollluzr.com!!! super fun to watch!!!

  24. A tax on dumb by locater16 · · Score: 2

    At this point cable is just a tax on anyone too old, or too dumb to switch to streaming services.

  25. Yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and there's never been fewer channels worth watching, much less subscribing to. And viewers who tune into "news" and financial channels aren't any less stupid than people who enjoy HSN.

  26. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by vidnet · · Score: 1

    What is it you get out of having a land line and cable TV that makes you put up with this? What do you use them for?

  27. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had been a Comcast customer for years. I had Internet, Phone, and Cable TV service. Rate was about $180/month. Two year contract.

    The Internet service is excellent. Not only is it fast and reliable (wasn't always but they fixed things) but they actually do IPv6 right.

    So last year (about 18 months ago) they decide I must be too pleased some it's TIME FOR A FLEECING!

    My contract is up. I want to renew. NOT AN OPTION. I say what do you mean you can't. I'm using it right now. Yes but the 3-service deal is no longer offered. You have to get the 4-service deal. It is called "quad play." In addition to the other services you get home security.

    I say I don't want another security service. I have ADP and have invested $1500 in sensors that would be thrown away if I changed now. Not to mention I would have to purchase more sensors.

    I won't bore you with the details but the choices boiled down to this: 1) ditch Comcast (and I lose the Internet service i depend on for my business). 2) Get the three services I have been using which will cost about $100 more than what I have been paying, or 3) get the FOUR services for about $40 LESS -- FOR NOW -- than I have been paying.

    Now get this. I say ok I'll take the quad play but I'll just not use the home security. So no need to schedule the installers --- hold your horses right there son. We WON'T give you a new contract until AFTER our installers show up to your house, burn a half day of your time, and certify that the service is installed. And there is this wireless pad thing that has to be in the house somewhere.

    I bitch enough that the gal gives me a "free" camera.

    So now I have two security services running at my house -- I never arm the Xfinity one but I do use the camera which is pretty well implemented. I have to feel grateful that they didn't make me unplug the ADT system.

    Somehow the monthly bill has creeped up on me. Now it's $225/month not including the occasional movie my wife buys. Instead of $40 less I was pitched I am now paying $40 more.

    That's my Comcast bitching for today. Thanks for listening.

    You could go cellular. Just don't use verizon and you'll be $225/mo richer.

  28. Not my cable bill. by Hallux-F-Sinister · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My cable bill has decreased 100 percent in the same interval of time. I like it that way. Pink Floyd said it best: I’ve got thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from.

    That’s about how many I get over the air. But whenever I go somewhere where they have cable, I find that there’s a larger selection but it’s just as much shit as the dozen or so air channels I can pick up with rabbit ears. So why pay extra for... more shit?

    Thanks to ATSC, the channels I CAN pull down are pretty clear; although I never watch them. I just leave it hooked up there because I already own it and in case the shit hits the fan and I have no internet... in inclement weather, for example, I have the ability to watch news broadcasts. I don’t thinks I’m missing out on anything actually worth watching. Also, I have an extensive po...er... um... DVD collection.

    Otherwise, I just pay the 15 a month for HBO GO when they’re airing Game of Thrones, and leave it off the rest of the time.

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    1. Re:Not my cable bill. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My cable bill has decreased 100 percent in the same interval of time. I like it that way. Pink Floyd said it best: I’ve got thirteen channels of shit on the TV to choose from.

      That's pretty much what I came here to say. Maybe 10-15 years ago the cable co decides to raise all rates 20% on some flimsy "regulations" excuse, while dropping my favorite couple of channels unless we "upgrade" to some stupid package that would cost 150% more. My payments to any cable company ever since have been reduced by 100%.

      After that I had the family setup with a fancy satellite thing that got stuff from around the world in many languages. That only lasted a year or 2 until they pulled the same crap - reducing service while raising rates. Buh-bye...

      Right around that time Netflix started streaming and we stopped getting DVDs in the mail. A few years after that Amazon jumped in, and even though I would not sign up just for the video service, we already had prime anyway. (Ahhh... remember when Amazon was just a silly bookstore everybody thought would fail?)

      One big benefit was when the kids asked why we didn't have hundreds of channels like their friends did and I invited them to investigate the options and make a proposal at a family meeting. (Which must include how it will be paid for.) It was amusing to watch the process of little minds getting sucked in by the marketing "wow, it's so fast!", then the confusion, "wait, what's a promo and what does it REALLY cost?", then finally attempts at justification, "uh, you mean I have to mow every lawn on the street twice every month for this crap?" leading to the final result: kids deciding to just go play outside instead of sit on the couch.

      Sure, we enjoy movies, some series, and some games together, but in the end life just feels better when you don't spend it looking at a glowing screen. In my humble opinion, most recent content is garbage due to A) the "reality" format, and B) hyper-short cuts edited together along with triple or more repetitions. I think those are annoying, (to say nothing of the 2:1 advertising/content time ratio, placement/shill advertising within the content, and raising the volume of advertising relative to the content), but I suppose they are catering to a short attention span crowd and have no choice. Maybe that formula gets them the most money, but all it does is make me glad to be rid of it.

  29. Internet Only by KalvinB · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The issue is bundling. They want you to buy more and more services so of course the bill goes up.

    I have only internet service with the local cable provider. It's $90 a month for static IP and 25Mbit or so both ways. Years ago I was paying $70 a month for 256K both ways. Toss in Netflix and HBO NOW and it's over 100 a month for internet and TV.

    The only reason people still pay for cable TV is sports. If you don't care about sports, it's not hard to get your bills down. The only necessary service is an internet connection. Everything else is a luxury.

    1. Re:Internet Only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We have Mediacom "high speed" at 100Mbps. They will only sell it bundled with cable and phone, for $105/mo after fees and taxes. We're only getting the "basic" cable option. We don't use it at all, and we don't use the phone. If we only want Internet, we can't get the 100Mbps, and have to get a much slower line. I'm sure that the survey, if done correctly to account for people who are forced to get bundled cable just to be able to get Internet access, would show a FAR greater loss of cable subscribers.

    2. Re:Internet Only by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 1

      The only reason people still pay for cable TV is sports.

      You don't have to!

      https://www.tomsguide.com/us/best-tv-antennas,review-2354.html

      https://www.reddit.com/r/LiveTvLinks/comments/89krhr/sports/

  30. Stagflation by astrofurter · · Score: 0

    Cost of living keeps sharply increasing all across America. The only thing that hasn't been skyrocketing are wages. Stagflation is back with a vengeance!

    Yet the official statistics say there is near-zero inflation. So I'm sure there are some credulous bootlickers here who will argue that noooooooo, even tho everything everywhere costs a lot more than it used to, there really is no inflation. 'Cuz authoritay told them so.

    1. Re:Stagflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Official statistics aren't always lies, but they MAY be excessively misleading.
      For example, when people fall off unemployment due to their benefits running out or due to new restrictions added to qualification for benefits throwing you off of it, then strictly speaking, "unemployment goes down". It also goes down if more of the population is technically officially employed: If last year I had 6% of the population unemployed, and this year I have 3% of the population unemployed but half the population is now under-employed to the point of starvation.... unemployment was cut in half isn't our economy doing amazing?

      Likewise, I'm wondering if a better comb-through of the numbers might reveal to us WHY there's near-zero inflation being touted: are certain specific sectors being cherrypicked (a common way of misusing statistics)? Are the devastating, colossal taxbreaks and lowered interest and "overhead" costs for the very richest companies and persons (or the price of a Bentley or 11th yacht if you're with the DeVos) vs your new sky-high C-level income or operating expenses counterbalancing what's happening to our wages and price of basic goods overall t

    2. Re: Stagflation by c6gunner · · Score: 2

      If you're counting a 1,000 channel cable package as "cost of living", you're kind of an idiot.

    3. Re: Stagflation by tepples · · Score: 0

      If the cable company declines to sell you high-speed Internet without a TV subscription (even if you don't watch it), and your job requires high-speed Internet, then a TV subscription is part of your "cost of living".

    4. Re:Stagflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow your name is appropriate.

      What BS.

      Here in Iowa my was has increased %50 in the past 7 years (got a promotion in there, but even the years without promotions I have averaged 5% a year increases), gas prices are 30% less than they were, and electricity, water, and natural gas is almost exactly the same.

      The only thing that has really gone up are my property taxes because the school in my area keeps wanting a fancier gym.

    5. Re:Stagflation by TheSync · · Score: 1

      The only thing that hasn't been skyrocketing are wages.

      According to the BLS Employment Cost Index, September 2018:

      Compensation costs for civilian workers increased 0.8 percent, seasonally adjusted, for the 3-month period ending in September 2018...Wages and salaries (which make up about 70 percent of compensation costs) increased 0.9 percent and benefit costs (which make up the remaining 30 percent of compensation) increased 0.4 percent from June 2018.

    6. Re: Stagflation by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      I include it as part of the "everything everywhere" that has been sharply rising in price for the last decade, while wages stayed stagnant.

    7. Re: Stagflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They offer it but your autistic speech skills can't unlock the glorious unbundled internet dialog options

    8. Re: Stagflation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "credulous bootlickers"...

  31. Re: Life sucks for poor people in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, faggot republican traitors will be hanged from their faggot necks. Then we'll sort out who's employable you dishonest bitch traitors.

  32. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So now I have two security services running at my house -- I never arm the Xfinity one but I do use the camera which is pretty well implemented. I have to feel grateful that they didn't make me unplug the ADT system.

    Somehow the monthly bill has creeped up on me. Now it's $225/month not including the occasional movie my wife buys. Instead of $40 less I was pitched I am now paying $40 more.

    That's my Comcast bitching for today. Thanks for listening.

    So I read everything you wrote with quad play and sob story about contracts. The one and only conclusion I was able to draw is you are not quite operating on all thrusters. Or to be more succinct about it you are certifiably raving mad batshit insane lunatic.

    Seriously dealing with Comcast is worse than dealing with uncle NATAS. Never ever rely on anything a Comcast CSR/sales goon tells you ... EVER.

  33. Win-win! #MAGA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's THE feature.

  34. well fuck me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess our investment means we'll see full-duplex deployments with cable internet soon huh? Yeah, I'll hold my fucking breath on that one. Nope, instead they'll ration out speeds like they always do....charge a little more here and little more there. Glad ATT fiber is coming to my block. Fuck cable companies.

  35. Way to many by Evtim · · Score: 2

    Situation was not better with only 13 channels....

    I've got a little black book with my poems in
    Got a bag with a toothbrush and a comb in
    When I'm a good dog, they sometimes throw me a bone in

    I got elastic bands keepin' my shoes on
    Got those swollen-hand blues
    I got thirteen channels of shit on the T.V. to choose from
    I've got electric light
    And I've got second sight
    I got amazing powers of observation
    And that is how I know
    When I try to get through
    On the telephone to you
    There'll be nobody home

    I've got the obligatory Hendrix perm
    And the inevitable pinhole burns
    All down the front of my favorite satin shirt
    I've got nicotine stains on my fingers
    I've got a silver spoon on a chain
    Got a grand piano to prop up my mortal remains

    I've got wild staring eyes
    And I've got a strong urge to fly
    But I got nowhere to fly to
    Ooh, babe when I pick up the phone

    there's still nobody home

    I've got a pair of Gohills boots
    But I got fading roots

    Songwriters: Roger Waters

    Nobody Home lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc

  36. Inconvenient hours by tepples · · Score: 2

    Many public library branches keep inconvenient hours. By the time you take the city bus from work to the library, it may have closed for the evening at 6 PM. Visit on a day off? The branch near me is closed Saturdays and Sundays from the weekend before Memorial Day until Labor Day. (Source: ACPL.info)

    1. Re:Inconvenient hours by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

      Many public library branches keep inconvenient hours. By the time you take the city bus from work to the library, it may have closed for the evening at 6 PM. Visit on a day off? The branch near me is closed Saturdays and Sundays from the weekend before Memorial Day until Labor Day. (Source: ACPL.info)

      There are easily 50 or more places within 10 (probably 5) miles of my home with free Internet access every day of the week. I'm at the point that I'm shocked if a restaurant doesn't have open WiFi. There's a WalMart down the road with free Internet. The grocery store has free WiFi. The church has free WiFi. McDonalds, Arby's, Taco Bell, Panera, Wendy's, Chick-Fil-A, Olive Garden, KFC, Starbuck's and dozens of other local restaurants have free WiFi. The indoor mall has free WiFi. The outdoor mall has free WiFi. Even my barbershop has free WiFi while you wait. I think I could find something if our local library branch was closed and it wouldn't take a 200 mile day trip or sitting around waiting for a bus to show up.

  37. Lifeline phone with no data by tepples · · Score: 2

    Assuming that "Obama phone" means a phone issued to Medicaid recipients under the Lifeline program, which began under President Reagan and was expanded to cellular under President Bush: A Lifeline cellular plan probably includes metered voice and text and 0 MB data.

    1. Re:Lifeline phone with no data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I used the welfare system to move and go to college and become rich a lifeline phone was 300 minutes, texting, and 0mb internet

  38. DUH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what happens where there are few choices; Cable companies have a near monopoly and they can charge whatever they like as they pretend they have no choice.

  39. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by tepples · · Score: 2

    Many professional and collegiate sporting events and political news-and-opinion shows are exclusive to traditional multichannel pay TV (that is, cable and satellite). They are not available over-the-top on the Internet.

    In addition, many cable system operators offer only lower Internet access speeds (per second or per month) to Internet-only subscribers. Someone who doesn't watch TV but wants Internet access faster than a pittance of GB/mo must subscribe to TV that he or she doesn't watch in order to become eligible to extend the cap. Want business Internet? Better form an LLC and get your house re-zoned.

  40. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Is leaving Comcast behind worth moving to a different state?

  41. Business Account by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    Do you not have a business account? Plenty of people have Internet-only business accounts for less than $225.

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  42. The Average Cable Bill Has Increased by sudon't · · Score: 1

    It was a rip-off in 2010. Maybe it's because I grew up with the idea that, “Ok, TV is free, but you have to watch these commercials” that I could never bring myself to pay for cable TV. Like that frog in the pot on the stove, they slowly added commercials, then more commercials, and (apparently) increased the rates people paid at the same time. Now, people finally seem to be noticing that the water is boiling.

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  43. Mine has effectively gone down by Burdell · · Score: 1

    According to the government's inflation calculator, $100 in January 2010 has the same buying power as $116.50 now - the amount I'm paying for cable has only increased a little more than that percentage (closer to 20%) in the same time. However, I get more channels, more in HD (and better quality HD), and have added premium channels to my subscription since that 2010 cost, so adjusting for inflation and service delivered, my cost has gone down.

    Of course, I have two cable companies available (I've switched since 2010), plus AT&T and Google Fiber's video services, so maybe there's something to this competition thing...

  44. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor people in the US get free healthcare.

    Sure, after they are bankrupt and their credit is ruined.

  45. Cable Internet seems to be a different story by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

    At least my Cable Internet is about the same price or actually less than it was, but for significantly faster speeds.

    In 2010 I was paying TWC $65/mo for 15/1 mbit speed, and in 2013 was paying $85/mo for 30/5 mbit speed.

    Currently in 2018 I am now paying Spectrum (who of course bought TWC) $70/mo for 400/20 mbit service. They keep upgrading my speeds at no cost increase.

  46. My bill by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    My final Time-Spectrum bill was a whopping $200+! I chopped it in half by switching to Google Fiber with local channels only. Since then, I've added quite a few streaming services and it's STILL cheaper than Spectrum, and that's before cutting the locals, since Hulu Live gives me those.

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  47. USA ONLY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These statistics only include the USA, and exclude the rest of the world.

  48. Regional Sports Fee by clifwlkr · · Score: 1

    Was going through my bill the other day, and noticed the 'Regional Sports Fee'. $6 a month for something I never use as I don't watch sports. So I call the satellite provider and say, please drop all sports channels from my subscription, as I don't watch them and don't want to pay the fee. Surprise, they don't have any packages, except the very base one with almost no channels, that don't have the sports channels on them, so you have to pay the fee.

    They really need to get ala carte going or I am going to cancel it completely. I just want a few basic channels to record things off of for shows that I like and that does not include any of the expensive channels that they have. My time is limited, or I would probably explore getting all of this setup off of the internet with a DVR functionality, but it is purposefully difficult right now. They could keep me as a customer if they just had packages targeted at this. In fact they used to have an option where they dropped the sports but kept everything else (although they did not advertise it), but recently ended that as well.

    As it turned out, after complaining and threatening to cancel, low and behold they can suddenly give me $60 a month credit for the next year to get my bill inline with what I am willing to pay... I mean the satellite is already in the air, the equipment is in the house, the rest is gravy for them. Just offer choice of individual channels and I bet a lot of people would stay. Make a million pennies instead of a few dollars....

  49. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    Poor people in the US get free healthcare.

    Sure, in some states. In others they only get free emergency care.

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  50. Only Internet is sufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I Live in Brazil and spend 28 dollars a month to have a 35mbps ADSL connection through a Cable TV provider. I cancelled all the cable packages and ripped open my cable box, took a few heatsinks off it and threw the rest in the trash. Saved the power supply, which is a good 12V 5A.

    That for viewing, Netflix, Youtube and Torrents. Amazon Prime sucks bad, used for a month and cancelled.

    I pretty much don't need anything else streaming-wide. Connection is reliable, fast and cheap.

    Welcome to the third world.

    1. Re:Only Internet is sufficient by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ops, Sorry, not ADSL, HFC is most probably the correct access type.

  51. Re: Life sucks for poor people in the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most US poor would need to move somewhere before getting a good job anyhow.

  52. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol they fooled you I don't know why you let them talk you into anything at all.

  53. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do too over 100 tv shows and 1000 movies I like plus whatever gets dvr'd off the antenna plus 16 channels of whatever is on the air at the moment. Psuedotv live will hopefully work out to be a better channel surfing experience than actual cable once the bugs are worked through.

  54. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's very simple. Buy the cheapest package they offer. Demand to use your own cable box. Tell them you'll call the police on anyone who shows up to try and install it but the tech is welcome to call you for your MAC address.
    Bonus: If you live in an apartment use a made up name and room number so you don't have to deal with their shitmail or the fallout of "billing accidents"

  55. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many professional and collegiate sporting events and political news-and-opinion shows are exclusive to traditional multichannel pay TV (that is, cable and satellite). They are not available over-the-top on the Internet.

    Wrong. Research YouTubeTV, Hulu Live, DirectTV Now, whatever the Playstation service is called, etc. I know that YouTubeTV can be used to authenticate watch ESPN events not being broadcast. And in my market I even get some of the regional sports networks.

  56. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by tepples · · Score: 1

    Research YouTubeTV

    A couple days ago, YouTube TV's signup form told me YouTube TV is not available in my ZIP code.

    Hulu Live

    No C-SPAN, no The Weather Channel. My roommate watches Washington Journal on C-SPAN, and the live stream on C-SPAN's website is available only to authenticated subscribers to participating multichannel pay television providers.

    DirectTV Now

    The $40 per month plan lacks The Weather Channel, and I doubt the $55 per month plan would save anything compared to the difference between Internet only from Comcast and Internet plus TV from Comcast. In addition, the fade-in effect when switching among plans on its sign-up page annoys me, as it makes it more difficult to eyeball the difference among the plans.

    whatever the Playstation service is called

    It's called PlayStation Vue, and even its most expensive package doesn't have C-SPAN or The Weather Channel.Nor is my PlayStation console new enough to view it.

  57. Competing ISP such as an MVNO? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Comcast appears not to allow third parties to offer service over its last mile. Competing ISPs are MVNOs, which insist on limiting my household's Internet data transfer to a handful of gigabytes per month. A startup company seeking access to lay its own fiber over city rights of way would probably end up unable to satisfy an unreasonably rapid citywide buildout schedule. I'm aware that some cities require franchisees to build out the network over the whole city in order to ensure that the service reaches less affluent areas, but I'm under the impression that some cities have required this to happen sooner than a startup's capex budget permits as an anti-competitive means to circumvent the federal ban on exclusive cable franchises.

  58. Pointing fingers at the wrong people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its comical how many people point fingers at the tv providers as the ones creating all the cost increases here. You guys need to do a bit more research and realize the people you should be mad at are the networks that are demanding absurd price increases. Specifically local channels. You know those ones that receive grants to provide those stations as a free public service? The FCC has rules in place to say if you live in this area your tv provider can only give you local channels from this particular area. So if those local channels demand a 400% price increase (typically every 2 years) what option does the tv provider have? Not carry abc, nbc, fox (etc)? To make matters worse there are companies like Sinclair Broadcast Group who realize how powerful owning these local channels can be, so they go through and buy up loads of local networks. Sinclair in particular owns around 200 local channels across the country and in 2016 their revenue was over 2 billion (with an operating cost of just over 200 million). But yeah keep yelling at your tv provider, its definitely their fault.

  59. You didn't cut the cord... by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    ..if you still get internet from them. You've just eliminate ONE service. And for many people that didn't save any money when you consider they've started subscribing to streaming services.

    Cutting the cord means CUTTING THE CORD. NO SERVICES AT ALL. Course that probable means you're on cellular (5G/LTE/6G) and they're loving you even more...

  60. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by DaFallus · · Score: 1

    I just cancelled my DirecTV service with AT&T. My initial 2 year contract ran out and my bill went up about $40. When I called asking for any other offers, of course nothing was available. When I called to cancel then all of the offers start coming out of the woodwork. Now I only have internet which costs me $70 (up from $60 when it was bundled) a month for 50 mbit down (highest speed they offer in my area) with a 1 TB limit (unlimited costs $30 more a month if you don't have TV service). I spent the past year configuring my network so that it is indifferent to the ISP supplying the connection and I'm now going to look into what deals are available from Comcast/Xfinity

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  61. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MerlTurkin · · Score: 1

    And a lot of times the free health care is with shit doctors for those far from major cities. Even with certain HMOs I'll bet you can't get into Sloan Kettering in NYC for instance.

  62. Cut the cord! by Socguy · · Score: 1

    I was a zombie cable customer for years.

    One day I turned on the TV and discovered the cable was out. It took a few days for the service team to arrive and they soon discovered that a grader had accidentally cut the cable when it was resurfacing the back alley. At that point I realized that no one had turned on the TV for over 2 months since that was when they were doing the work...

    I cancelled my cable immediately, bought a digital OTA antenna from best buy for $20 in order to get the local channels (Shockingly good picture quality BTW). I invested in a VPN subscription along with upgrading to an unlimited DSL internet package from a internet wholesaler and a Netflx account. I now watch anything I want, whenever I want including sports for about 70% less than the cost of cable. As an added bonus, by making the laptop the media center, it's far quicker and more responsive than the clunky cable interface ever was.

  63. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Call Comcast and ask for the 'customer retention' department. They can work deals out.

  64. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Holy shit 'We won't provide you internet service unless we can install surveillance-tech in your home." Fucking dystopian nightmare we live in.

  65. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

    You must be in a one service area. I could switch to at&t symmetrical GB for $100 /month, or 100/100 for $80. I'm sticking with comcast because the gave me a decent deal for $140 and their television (x1) is way better then uverse. I've been real happy with it.

  66. Phone company by mschaffer · · Score: 1

    My internet comes from the phone company. Ironically, there is no phone line because I use voip and cell for phone service.
    Now, I wish I had a choice of internet providers.

  67. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $15 /month for SimpliSafe. $70 for Dish. $40 month for 100 mpbs internet. MagicJack, virtually nil. about $140 per month.

  68. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    What do you want? It's free.

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  69. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    What state doesn't offer Medicaid?

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  70. Re:Life sucks for poor people in the US by MightyYar · · Score: 1

    That's what "poor" means.

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  71. Buy DSL, get phone line free by tepples · · Score: 1

    My internet comes from the phone company. Ironically, there is no phone line

    So your phone company isn't selling you DSL and giving you a POTS line that you don't use at no extra charge? Because that's what some phone companies do, and it'd be analogous to what some cable companies do with their bundle structures.

    1. Re:Buy DSL, get phone line free by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      I live in a new development and the phone company only has provisions for fiber. (Not aware of any homes that have POTS). All houses have two sets of underground conduit---one that goes to the phone company equipment, and the other to the cable company equipment. If you want a phone service you can get it from the phone company or the cable company (at least one home in the development uses a VOIP service from the cable company).

    2. Re:Buy DSL, get phone line free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's somehting called 'naked DSL' which is a phone line but without the phone line so to speak, same copper pair as used in POTS but no analog voice service on it, only the digital portion for a broadband internet connection. Also in my country one ISP has deployed a hybrid fiber coaxial network but without TV service on the coax, which makes it kind of the 'cable' equivalent of naked DSL.

    3. Re:Buy DSL, get phone line free by tepples · · Score: 1

      Availability of naked DSL doesn't necessarily imply that the phone company charges customers less for naked DSL than for DSL bundled with a POTS line.

  72. Downloading by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Might as well download folks, you're paying for it anyway.

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  73. Going out with a bang by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    The cable companies see the end coming. Already everybody who is savvy enough to cut the cord, has done so, or is thinking about doing so. The rest will pay whatever the cable companies demand. It's in their financial interest to raise prices! Where are they going to go?

    It's kind of like old-style telephone service. Only older people still have it, and they pay through the nose for it. But these older people have no idea how to set up or use a VOIP service, so they are stuck.

  74. Cord Cutters Beware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see so many self congratulatory back pats from cord cutters in this thread. But they don;t seem to realize a few important details.

    1. Your selection has declined. Yes, you cut cable TV, but you watch a smaller selection of new content and the old content is substandard, to say the least.

    2. Streaming content libraries of C grade movies from decades past and 1990's TV shows SUCK DONKEY DICKS! NETFLIX, AMAZON, et al SUCK!

    3. THE MOST IMPORTANT DETAIL... Most of you cord cutters are purchasing your internet through the very same companies that you used to buy cable from. You didn't cut the cord, you reduced your services and degraded your experience. You still have the same cord from the same provider for internet.

    Now you receive less and YOU'RE PAYING MORE than you did before for the remaining service(internet). Many/most of you are living in monopoly regions where you only have one or perhaps two available broadband ISPs. Do you not see the ISP rates rising? Do you not see the utter-shit-streaming service rates rising? Do you not realize that while cable dies, the cable monopolies still have a stranglehold on you and will simply raise your internet service rates to compensate for the declining service revenue?

    YOU HAVE NOT FOUND A SOLUTION. You've simply kicked the can down the road and accelerated the inevitable, where you're paying hundreds a month for internet service($90), streaming services($80), subscriptions($30)...

    For years you demanded a la carte service and I warned that it would be MORE expensive than the existing bundles you hated on. Now you've got what you wanted, a near incomprehensible array of disassociated devices and services, each with their own not so low monthly costs that total more than you paid for cable when you quit. But you seem to be too stupid and willfully ignorant to realize that you're paying more for less.

    Are you really actually proud of yourselves?

  75. This isn't your father's inflation calculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're counting a 1,000 channel cable package as "cost of living", you're kind of an idiot.

    Though the definition of "basket of goods and services" has changed in the definition of inflation, it has never been about bare necessities. It has always included luxuries. But here's where it gets interesting and relevant to the discussion of cord cutting...

    Twice since the late 80's, the definition of how inflation is calculated has changed. Currently, the "basket of goods and services" changes with trends, so that when people cancel cable TV, the cost of cable TV as calculated in the inflation index goes *down*, despite the fact that people are dropping it because its actual cost is going *up*.

    So, people are settling for less and less because they are poorer and poorer and they are being priced out of buying things they used to be able to afford, and the inflation index considers this *deflationary*.

    The actual inflation rate is much higher than the official figure, as watching the housing and health care markets should make obvious. But people living with their parents into their thirties, and taking in rooomates and living in vans, and not seeing the doctor, is considered *deflationary*, offsetting the actual increasing costs of these things. According to the index.

    Google "inflation calculation has changed" or similar for the details.

  76. Re:Comcast. The good, the bad, and the ugly. by toddestan · · Score: 1

    Those deals are always the same, they get you to sign up for an extra service by offering an introductory rate that's cheaper than what you'd pay without that service. But once they got you suckered in they jack rates right up. It's always better in the long run to only sign up for what you actually want*. And don't believe what the salesweasel tells you about how the bundle will be cheaper - they are lying.

    Though I'd just drop Comcast if you can. I'm glad I can get decent naked DSL through the phone company here - that's all I need.

    * Or call them up every once and a while and threaten to cancel, they'll usually offer you a deal to stay