See my point? No clear standards. I've seen a lot of DVD-RW drives on the shelves, while hearing that the DVD+RW has the backing of the big players. Out of one side, I hear a lot of consumers are buying DVD-RW, while the players on the other side are backing DVD+RW.
Again, no clear standards. I'll wait it out, thank you very much.
This is the same damn argument that pro-"sharing" pundits keep spouting over and over again--and it's just wrong on many levels. You want to break up Abbey Road, or Dark Side of the Moon into singles too?
Abbey Road, Dark Side of the Moon. Yeah, those would be by the Beatles and Pink Floyd, artists with great enough talent to produce concept albums.
Tell me (and no fair using google): What album was "Come on Eileen" by Dexy's Midnight Runners released on? Many people like and enjoy the song, but I'd be willing to be almost NO ONE has the album.
With current DVD-writer pricing who is gonna settle for a CD writer no matter how premium it is?
DVDs have no clear standards at this point. I think I remember someone saying that DVD-RW is the one standard reaching the critical mass market, but is it *there* yet? And the media, last time I looked, was still hard to find and expensive when you did find it.
I agree that this new CD-RW extension is crap, but I don't think DVD-writers are viable until there is one standard that everyone can read.
I totally did NOT click on the link. I have no idea what it said...probably some mumbo jumbo about Adam and Eve and an Apple or something... I didn't know Macs existed in Biblical times.:)
Again, I categorically deny ever clicking on the link.
It didn't used to. That's new as of KDE 3.0. I don't think it used to have a default startup sound in 1.x. 2.x had a startup sound, but I've forgotten what it is. It was't the same as it is now.
But grandma walked into [Best Buy || Circuit City || Fryes] and bought what the salesman told her to get. Which came with Windows pre-loaded. She fired it up, it asked her a couple of questions and she stuck in her AOL CD and voila! After she moved to Florida, [Comcast || TimeWarner] started a special for $19.95 a month high speed Internet access, so she ordered it so she could setup this webcam thingie her neighbor had so she could see the grandkids. After all Jenny's started pre-school this year!
And have you installed a plug-and-pray Webcam on Windows XP? I have. The good ones install in a snap. My ex-girlfriend got one up and running in under 5 minutes, no problem. She knows jack about computers and doesn't want to.
But my point was that the previous poster was combining SSH and POP3, not SSL (which was previously established that probably only like 3% ISP pop servers on the 'Net support SSL) and they're not going to know how to do that, since most folks are so stupid that they run Outlook Express. Maybe I should have said that they all run Outlook Express and -- worse -- don't even KNOW that it supports SSL or what SSL is, but then I would have gotten someone else that said I was confusing SSL with SSH, so I guess I just can't win. *sigh* '
1) Grandma moves to Florida (hereinafter referred to as The Land Where All Old People Eventually Move or TLWAOPEM) and then suddenly hears about this new 'webcam thing'
2) I agree, for the most part once it's installed and tweaked properly*, Linux just works, provided that you only run with stable series kernels, stable series libraries, etc.
* in my nearly 10 years of using Linux, I still have yet to see a distro that installs and everything works 100% out of the box. And I've installed multiple versions of the following distros: Slackware, Red Hat, Mandrake, Turbo Linux, and Caldera OpenLinux. The excpetions to this rule are: Devil Linux (it's a firewall distro and I only buy 3COM 3C905B 10/100 ethernet cards) and Gentoo which I'm not counting because you *have* to tweak Gentoo, that's the whole point.
Of course this could be different for the pre-installed Walmart PCs or whatever but I haven't seen those.:)
Assuming you don't have a piece of hardware installed into your kernel, you're almost certainly going to have to do a make [config || menuconfig || xconfig] unless you've got something automated like an nVidia kernel driver installation.
Have you navigated this thing? Yes, *I* know what most of the configuration items are for, and yes *you* may know what most of the configuration items are, but I'm willing to bet that grandma has no idea what a Realtek RTL-8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter is or, for that matter, how it differs from a Realtek RTL-8139 C+ and why might want to use one driver vs. another considering that the C+ is currently marked EXPERIMENTAL. In fact, she probably has no idea that the Ethernet adapter that's in her computer is even built into the motherboard. Or even that she HAS an Ethernet adapter, all she knows is that the little box the cable company gave her for Internet access plugs into the thingie in the back that looks like a big phone jack.
And, amazingly, people wonder why some people say that Linux isn't ready for grandma.
Except that this wouldn't work for that *vast* majority of Internet uses out there who are, in fact, so clueless about security and using computers that they use Outlook Express to grab all their email.
(Not that I'm automatically criticizing anyone that knows better and has still made a conscious choice to use Outlook Express. It's your right to not give a rat's ass about security.:) )
Sure there are hundreds of thousands of people, yeah, but how many of these hundreds of thousands have the *ability*. Having the inclination has nothing to do with it. And as someone else has pointed out, are you so certain that the stock market *hasn't* been hacked? Do you think you'd be told?
Let's put it this way. The government has a LOT of power over the media. Look at propaganda films of the 1940s, and the propaganda that's spread on the major news networks every single frickin' day.
Now tell me...if the stock market had been hacked, what do you think the consequences of the public knowing that would be? Think 1929, only a *whole* lot worse.
Just because the stock market hasn't been hacked, and that thermonuclear devices haven't been launched by hackers, and terrorists haven't been able to bring the air traffic control network down, that doesn't mean that they *can't* be hacked, it means that they *haven't* been hacked.
My monitor hasn't stopped working yet. Does that mean that it can't break?
There is NO such thing as a hack proof system. There is NO such thing as a hack proof system. There is NO such thing as a...
Okay, the one possible exception is when the BRS is turned to OFF. It doesn't exist now and it never will. In fact, I would say that the fact that it is NOT ground-based makes it even MORE vulnerable. After all, get the plane in the sky, then commence with the hacking, right?
Sure. People have bought into the crap they've been fed by the media. The media have been harping on this subject for years now. To paraphrase W.C. Fields, say something loud enough and long enough and people will eventually start to believe you.
The difference here is a cell phone call is interactive unlike the radio.
Your radio isn't interactive? You can't change the station, adjust the volume, alter the graphic equalizer (or bass and treble), change the station presets, etc.?
With a passenger, you share the same environment and you can concentrate on your driving.
Hmmm? You can SEE the passenger, so this could be even MORE of a distraction as you glance over your shoulder to notice facial expressions, etc. Also, if I had a dime for everytime someone almost got into an accident because they turned around to see what their child had put in their mouth or to discipline their kids, etc., I'd be a very wealthy man indeed. So, no I still disagree.
Reductio ad absurdum, which as a certain radio commentator who I won't name because it causes flamewars has said, is the art of demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.
That's what I was doing.
Eliminating cellphone any basis other than it causes than the fact that it distracts the driver by occupying one of his/her hands is absurd. Plain and simple. Talking to someone on a handsfree phone is no more distracting than talking to the person next to you.
By your logic, we should eliminate radios, remove all passenger seats from vehicles (making it so only one person can be in a privately-owned vehicle at a time), etc.
After all since drivers can't do two things at once, listening to the radio would be out, talking to passengers would be out, fiddling around with car seats, etc. would be out...
No, you're right. We should make so the driver has NO DISTRACTIONS. I'm starting my campaign to remove passenger seats and radios from cars today!
Look at you you little birdie tweeting away. Politicizing against Bush because you are a cortexless brain stem barfing out the liberal lies you are spoon fed. Bush: the guy who funded Project Prometheus and INSPI. [You don't know what those are, and I don't give a shit.]
Ok, troll, I'll bite.
1. I'll politicize against whomever I want as it is my 1st Amendment right to do so. 2. I politicize against Al Gore and Bill Clinton, too. I'm an equal-opportunity politicizer.:) 3. Projct Prometheus and INSPI seek to use nuclear power for space propulsion. While they might be useful for a manned mission to Mars, there is a broad range of other applications, including unmanned missions to various parts of the solar system and perhaps beyond. And INSPI was established in 1985 according to their website, so I don't know where you get the idea that funding INSPI was Bush's idea. 4. I'm not a liberal in the sense that you imply. I am, however, a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party, although I'm not strictly party line on every issue.
I care about beating the Chinese. This has nothing to do with Bush and more to do with morons like you who drag politics into science to serve your own twisted purpose. Bastard.
Good for you. Not everyone agrees with you. It's a fact of life. And politics necessarily have to be dragged in when talking about NASA because it's a government program. Just like politcs have to necessarily be dragged in when talking about the military, social security, the IRS, or any number of other government programs.
And to address your negative view on the America space program. Couldn't get a job at NASA if you tried. You aren't even close to the brilliance level to do anything technical there. You are a button monkey troglodyte flapping his lips and doing nothing.
What does my employability at NASA, or lack thereof, have anything to do my negative view of the American space program? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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Okay, this time YOU be the computer!
See my point? No clear standards. I've seen a lot of DVD-RW drives on the shelves, while hearing that the DVD+RW has the backing of the big players. Out of one side, I hear a lot of consumers are buying DVD-RW, while the players on the other side are backing DVD+RW.
Again, no clear standards. I'll wait it out, thank you very much.
This is the same damn argument that pro-"sharing" pundits keep spouting over and over again--and it's just wrong on many levels. You want to break up Abbey Road, or Dark Side of the Moon into singles too?
Abbey Road, Dark Side of the Moon. Yeah, those would be by the Beatles and Pink Floyd, artists with great enough talent to produce concept albums.
Tell me (and no fair using google): What album was "Come on Eileen" by Dexy's Midnight Runners released on? Many people like and enjoy the song, but I'd be willing to be almost NO ONE has the album.
With current DVD-writer pricing who is gonna settle for a CD writer no matter how premium it is?
DVDs have no clear standards at this point. I think I remember someone saying that DVD-RW is the one standard reaching the critical mass market, but is it *there* yet? And the media, last time I looked, was still hard to find and expensive when you did find it.
I agree that this new CD-RW extension is crap, but I don't think DVD-writers are viable until there is one standard that everyone can read.
I totally did NOT click on the link. I have no idea what it said...probably some mumbo jumbo about Adam and Eve and an Apple or something... I didn't know Macs existed in Biblical times. :)
Again, I categorically deny ever clicking on the link.
It didn't used to. That's new as of KDE 3.0. I don't think it used to have a default startup sound in 1.x. 2.x had a startup sound, but I've forgotten what it is. It was't the same as it is now.
But grandma walked into [Best Buy || Circuit City || Fryes] and bought what the salesman told her to get. Which came with Windows pre-loaded. She fired it up, it asked her a couple of questions and she stuck in her AOL CD and voila! After she moved to Florida, [Comcast || TimeWarner] started a special for $19.95 a month high speed Internet access, so she ordered it so she could setup this webcam thingie her neighbor had so she could see the grandkids. After all Jenny's started pre-school this year!
And have you installed a plug-and-pray Webcam on Windows XP? I have. The good ones install in a snap. My ex-girlfriend got one up and running in under 5 minutes, no problem. She knows jack about computers and doesn't want to.
Honestly, no I haven't tried it. I'll seriously have to give this one a try, if it's nearly as cool as you're saying. Thanks for the info!
Step 1: Open hailing frequencies...
That's how it always starts, yeah... until she wants to start running your life. Then it's SHIELDS UP!
But my point was that the previous poster was combining SSH and POP3, not SSL (which was previously established that probably only like 3% ISP pop servers on the 'Net support SSL) and they're not going to know how to do that, since most folks are so stupid that they run Outlook Express. Maybe I should have said that they all run Outlook Express and -- worse -- don't even KNOW that it supports SSL or what SSL is, but then I would have gotten someone else that said I was confusing SSL with SSH, so I guess I just can't win. *sigh*
'
1) Grandma moves to Florida (hereinafter referred to as The Land Where All Old People Eventually Move or TLWAOPEM) and then suddenly hears about this new 'webcam thing'
:)
2) I agree, for the most part once it's installed and tweaked properly*, Linux just works, provided that you only run with stable series kernels, stable series libraries, etc.
* in my nearly 10 years of using Linux, I still have yet to see a distro that installs and everything works 100% out of the box. And I've installed multiple versions of the following distros: Slackware, Red Hat, Mandrake, Turbo Linux, and Caldera OpenLinux. The excpetions to this rule are: Devil Linux (it's a firewall distro and I only buy 3COM 3C905B 10/100 ethernet cards) and Gentoo which I'm not counting because you *have* to tweak Gentoo, that's the whole point.
Of course this could be different for the pre-installed Walmart PCs or whatever but I haven't seen those.
Zero user interface? Huh?
Assuming you don't have a piece of hardware installed into your kernel, you're almost certainly going to have to do a make [config || menuconfig || xconfig] unless you've got something automated like an nVidia kernel driver installation.
Have you navigated this thing? Yes, *I* know what most of the configuration items are for, and yes *you* may know what most of the configuration items are, but I'm willing to bet that grandma has no idea what a Realtek RTL-8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter is or, for that matter, how it differs from a Realtek RTL-8139 C+ and why might want to use one driver vs. another considering that the C+ is currently marked EXPERIMENTAL. In fact, she probably has no idea that the Ethernet adapter that's in her computer is even built into the motherboard. Or even that she HAS an Ethernet adapter, all she knows is that the little box the cable company gave her for Internet access plugs into the thingie in the back that looks like a big phone jack.
And, amazingly, people wonder why some people say that Linux isn't ready for grandma.
SSL, but not SSH. There's a difference isn't there?
Except that this wouldn't work for that *vast* majority of Internet uses out there who are, in fact, so clueless about security and using computers that they use Outlook Express to grab all their email.
:) )
(Not that I'm automatically criticizing anyone that knows better and has still made a conscious choice to use Outlook Express. It's your right to not give a rat's ass about security.
Sure there are hundreds of thousands of people, yeah, but how many of these hundreds of thousands have the *ability*. Having the inclination has nothing to do with it. And as someone else has pointed out, are you so certain that the stock market *hasn't* been hacked? Do you think you'd be told?
Let's put it this way. The government has a LOT of power over the media. Look at propaganda films of the 1940s, and the propaganda that's spread on the major news networks every single frickin' day.
Now tell me...if the stock market had been hacked, what do you think the consequences of the public knowing that would be? Think 1929, only a *whole* lot worse.
Just because the stock market hasn't been hacked, and that thermonuclear devices haven't been launched by hackers, and terrorists haven't been able to bring the air traffic control network down, that doesn't mean that they *can't* be hacked, it means that they *haven't* been hacked.
My monitor hasn't stopped working yet. Does that mean that it can't break?
Please see my other comment. I already answered those things.
There is NO such thing as a hack proof system. ...
There is NO such thing as a hack proof system.
There is NO such thing as a
Okay, the one possible exception is when the BRS is turned to OFF. It doesn't exist now and it never will. In fact, I would say that the fact that it is NOT ground-based makes it even MORE vulnerable. After all, get the plane in the sky, then commence with the hacking, right?
Sure. People have bought into the crap they've been fed by the media. The media have been harping on this subject for years now. To paraphrase W.C. Fields, say something loud enough and long enough and people will eventually start to believe you.
The difference here is a cell phone call is interactive unlike the radio.
Your radio isn't interactive? You can't change the station, adjust the volume, alter the graphic equalizer (or bass and treble), change the station presets, etc.?
With a passenger, you share the same environment and you can concentrate on your driving.
Hmmm? You can SEE the passenger, so this could be even MORE of a distraction as you glance over your shoulder to notice facial expressions, etc. Also, if I had a dime for everytime someone almost got into an accident because they turned around to see what their child had put in their mouth or to discipline their kids, etc., I'd be a very wealthy man indeed. So, no I still disagree.
Reductio ad absurdum, which as a certain radio commentator who I won't name because it causes flamewars has said, is the art of demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.
That's what I was doing.
Eliminating cellphone any basis other than it causes than the fact that it distracts the driver by occupying one of his/her hands is absurd. Plain and simple. Talking to someone on a handsfree phone is no more distracting than talking to the person next to you.
No, no. You're a distraction as well! After all, someone in a car might check out your ass! We wouldn't want that!
My campaign includes the removal of ALL distractions, including pedestrians!
By your logic, we should eliminate radios, remove all passenger seats from vehicles (making it so only one person can be in a privately-owned vehicle at a time), etc.
After all since drivers can't do two things at once, listening to the radio would be out, talking to passengers would be out, fiddling around with car seats, etc. would be out...
No, you're right. We should make so the driver has NO DISTRACTIONS. I'm starting my campaign to remove passenger seats and radios from cars today!
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Look at you you little birdie tweeting away. Politicizing against Bush because you are a cortexless brain stem barfing out the liberal lies you are spoon fed. Bush: the guy who funded Project Prometheus and INSPI. [You don't know what those are, and I don't give a shit.]
:)
Ok, troll, I'll bite.
1. I'll politicize against whomever I want as it is my 1st Amendment right to do so.
2. I politicize against Al Gore and Bill Clinton, too. I'm an equal-opportunity politicizer.
3. Projct Prometheus and INSPI seek to use nuclear power for space propulsion. While they might be useful for a manned mission to Mars, there is a broad range of other applications, including unmanned missions to various parts of the solar system and perhaps beyond. And INSPI was established in 1985 according to their website, so I don't know where you get the idea that funding INSPI was Bush's idea.
4. I'm not a liberal in the sense that you imply. I am, however, a card-carrying member of the Libertarian party, although I'm not strictly party line on every issue.
I care about beating the Chinese. This has nothing to do with Bush and more to do with morons like you who drag politics into science to serve your own twisted purpose. Bastard.
Good for you. Not everyone agrees with you. It's a fact of life. And politics necessarily have to be dragged in when talking about NASA because it's a government program. Just like politcs have to necessarily be dragged in when talking about the military, social security, the IRS, or any number of other government programs.
And to address your negative view on the America space program. Couldn't get a job at NASA if you tried. You aren't even close to the brilliance level to do anything technical there. You are a button monkey troglodyte flapping his lips and doing nothing.
What does my employability at NASA, or lack thereof, have anything to do my negative view of the American space program? Nothing. Absolutely nothing.