It seems to me that JFS is just BSD's SoftUpdates feature implemented in a different way. It only logs (journals) the meta-data transactions, there is no protection for the actual data itself.. You just get a really fast fsck.
From what I have seen of XFS, it is far superior technically. I have it running on my little server at home, and while it is DEFINATELY still beta quality, it has a hell of a lot of promise. ReiserFS also seems to outshine JFS in functionality and performance.
I just don't understand why this is really in development, other than it came from IBM so some suits might like it.
But hell, this is just my opinion, I could be (and often am) wrong.
My whole take on this is from a slightly (only slightly) different perspective.. I manage the IT/IS group at my company. Recently due to us having been bought by another company, we had to shift some PC Tech's from "excempt" to "non-excempt" status. I kinda felt like a creep telling them that from now on I needed timesheets from them.
But here is the meat of this post: After they changed to hourly, I don't feel like as much work was getting done unless I really hounded them. What I think I am (even now) experiencing is that before, when there was something that had to be done, I could go tell my guys: 'you don't leave here tonight until this is done', and by George, it got done. Now they still have the same amount of work to be done, but they still want to be able to walk around and socialize and surf the web whatnot WITHOUT making up that time in productivity. They are/were used to being able to get their work done AND chat with people, and now the work load has remained the same, but the hours are now restricted to 40 per week. This is a hard transition to make, and I sometimes worry that they don't feel as valuable as they once were.
The other side of the coin is how the rest of management views 'excempt' vs. 'non-excepmt' employees. I know two things for sure: 1) they don't feel that non-excempts are that important, if they were valuable they would be salaried (even though they once were!), and 2) I as their manager would get into deep doo-doo if I worked them more than 40 hours each week more than once a month. and then I better have a good reason..
So, to sum up: It has been my experience that it is harder to motivate an hourly employee, the hourly employee does not feel as valued often times (after all he has to be a clock watcher), and management often doesn't feel that hourly employees are as valuable.. There is sorta stigma of 'replaceable' to the hourly check.
BSAFE is a commercial toolkit from RSA used for integrating RSA's patented algo's into software. I can not speak on the quality of this library, but I am under the impression that if you want to include RSA's algorithms in your program and sell it in the USA, you need to buy a copy of this toolkit and use their (RSA's) implementations of their algorithms. For more info click here
I don't understand the importance of this inclusion as I figured that it was already in their secure server version. As far as I understand RSA will not allow you to license their stuff in the USA without it's use.
I heard somewhere that they are being produced both at the same time, and that the movies will be released only a few months from each other.. I just hope they don't rush it.
My God man! What planet do YOU live on? Do you REALLY believe all of that? Are you really a hippie that just steped through a time portal from the late 60's? Did you learn your world view from Pravda of the 50's? Your argument that an effective ABM system relies upon our "enemies" believing that it works at 100% is just foolishness. Think of it this way: you are some dictator somewhere and happen to have a fully functional ICBM at your disposal. What are you going to do with it? Well, you MIGHT decide to launch it against the Great Satan of the West (i.e. USA).. But are you going to do that if there is a 50% chance that said launch would be a major waste of a good missle (i.e. it could get splashed down before it ever made it to target) ? I mean, I would assume there would be some sort of repercussions for launching a missle at New York, and if you thought for one moment that it wasn't going to get through, you aren't nearly as likely to launch it. The OTHER thing that you might do with such a missle, is to attempt blackmail.. Say something like "If you don't allow me to absorb my neighboring country in peace, New York is going to be a smoking cinder" kinda thing... This also don't work to well with ANY kind of ABM system in place.. I mean, if we have one, and have notice, I would assume that the % of kills would climb, so now, we say: "If you fire that nuke, not only might it not make it, but if it does, your whole country is gonna be glowing tomorrow AM".. Tell me where my logic breaks down. Oh, and by the way, while the B2 is a ship without a mission, the F22 is SO desperately needed it ain't funny. In case you haven't noticed, this country has been going through a military downsizing comparable to what we went through after WW1.. Not a smart move (please look at the history of the world EVERY time we have done this). We have retired or are retiring the A-6, A-10, F4G (Wild Weasel for anti-SAM), and F-14 (no more Top Gun?).. This means we are losing our ability to PROJECT power( an example of this: the F/A-18 is supposed to replace the A-6 and F-14 for their roles: problem: the F/A-18 is a great plane, but it doesn't have any legs, it is also unable to field the Phoenix missle system). If you think that this is unimportant, think about what would have happened in the Gulf War without that ability? Or what might have happened in the 80's with Quadafi ? And the ONLY reason we are retiring these platforms is because people like you want to take that money and pump it back into more government.. Don't EVEN get me started about the failure of government run schools in this country.. That is a whole 'nother rant! Of course, I am sure I am just another Imperialist Pig looking to take over the world.. BAH! O.K.,/RANT -] Crow
I think this is really awesome that the OpenBSD guys did this.. I am totally sure that this will be ported over to every FreeN*X out there in no time flat (I have already seen someone starting a Linux port).. The only problem I have with it (and it isn't something that the OpenBSD guys can fix) is this:
OpenSSH is the best thing to use for remote admin, bar none.. I use it on all my boxen myself.. Unfourtunately I live and work in the US of A, and I am therefore infringing on RSA's patent on the RSA algorithym.
OpenBSD has successfully unencumbered SSH from everything except the patents on the algorithyms they are using. Two of them, RSA & IDEA, are patented and therefore require licensing for commercial use.
IDEA is easily lived without, as SSH uses several other algos for symetric encryption (RC4, DES, 3DES & Blowfish), but only one (RSA) for the public/private key encrytion nessasary to set up a session.
It would be nice if the OpenBSD guys could shove some Diffie-Hellman key exchange code into there as an option for those of us stuck in the States..
Kudos to Theo et. al. for finally getting the recognition they so much deserve..
OpenBSD may well end up being the best of the bunch if it can get the support is so needs. I think that as people realize the need for security, more people will come to appreciate OpenBSD.
I for one seriously doubt that we will be going back to the moon anytime soon.. We as a species just don't seem to want to. Sure there are one or two of us that have a keen interest in it and some would drop everything and leave in a hot second! But the vast majority of people just don't get it.. They think that the only reason to leave this planet would be for money or something.. They have no desire to reach out further than their television remotes. In the late 60's when Apollo was on track, the US Air Force had plans for a moon base. It have been pretty big, and fully funtioning by 1976! What actually happened? Well, after Apollo 11 everyone CHANGED THE F**KING TV Channel! "Apollo 17??? You mean we did it again? Why?" We were so damned stupid that Apollo 18's Saturn V is laid out in front of the Johnson Space Center in Houston! A fully man-rated moon rocket that just needed to be fueled and launched sits rusting! Apollo 19 sits in front of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida! Why? Because no one could be bothered to even care! Let alone pay for it.. I mean, damn people! We were just getting good at it when we quit! Now we have a fully political space program that is using our supposed space station project (now the "international" space station) to fund the former Soviet aerospace industry! That is irony folks! US tax dollars going to the same people who build SS-22 nuclear missles and MiG-29 jets! We HAD a space station! A good space station! We built it out of SPARE PARTS from the Apollo program !! (it was going to be Apollo 20, but that didn't happen obviously). What did we do with our fully funtioning (larger than Mir BTW) space station? Well, we were so busy pouring money into the "Space Plane" project that would become the abortion that is the Space Shuttle that we didn't have any way of getting people, spare parts or even fuel to it.. So it fell into the ocean and scattered over Australia too.. Sorry guys to drop that thing on you, but we are so stupid we can't even put more gas into it! So, to close: We spent tons of money, put more effort into the project than the Manhatten project to get to the moon.. Then we left. Will we return? Not today.. Remember one thing folks: The Vikings discovered the Americas first.. but we barely remember them.. It is only when you go and STAY that you are remembered.. anything else is just masturbation. --] Crow ps- will it take US 900 years to return to the moon? It took Europe that long with America.
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Will OpenBSD and NetBSD be there as well, or is this purely a FreeBSD thing?
If you think that Dell is only a step up from Packard-Bell, you have obviously not had to work with them very often.. While it is true that they use lot's of very standard stuff (i.e. Intel board, Adaptec chips, STB video, etc), this is very useful if you buy them for corp.
I have MANY Dell PCs (and Servers, the 4300 is SWEET) in operation within our enterprise. I won't switch.
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It seems to me that JFS is just BSD's SoftUpdates feature implemented in a different way. It only logs (journals) the meta-data transactions, there is no protection for the actual data itself.. You just get a really fast fsck.
From what I have seen of XFS, it is far superior technically. I have it running on my little server at home, and while it is DEFINATELY still beta quality, it has a hell of a lot of promise. ReiserFS also seems to outshine JFS in functionality and performance.
I just don't understand why this is really in development, other than it came from IBM so some suits might like it.
But hell, this is just my opinion, I could be (and often am) wrong.
-] Crow
My whole take on this is from a slightly (only slightly) different perspective.. I manage the IT/IS group at my company. Recently due to us having been bought by another company, we had to shift some PC Tech's from "excempt" to "non-excempt" status. I kinda felt like a creep telling them that from now on I needed timesheets from them.
But here is the meat of this post: After they changed to hourly, I don't feel like as much work was getting done unless I really hounded them. What I think I am (even now) experiencing is that before, when there was something that had to be done, I could go tell my guys: 'you don't leave here tonight until this is done', and by George, it got done. Now they still have the same amount of work to be done, but they still want to be able to walk around and socialize and surf the web whatnot WITHOUT making up that time in productivity. They are/were used to being able to get their work done AND chat with people, and now the work load has remained the same, but the hours are now restricted to 40 per week. This is a hard transition to make, and I sometimes worry that they don't feel as valuable as they once were.
The other side of the coin is how the rest of management views 'excempt' vs. 'non-excepmt' employees. I know two things for sure: 1) they don't feel that non-excempts are that important, if they were valuable they would be salaried (even though they once were!), and 2) I as their manager would get into deep doo-doo if I worked them more than 40 hours each week more than once a month. and then I better have a good reason..
So, to sum up: It has been my experience that it is harder to motivate an hourly employee, the hourly employee does not feel as valued often times (after all he has to be a clock watcher), and management often doesn't feel that hourly employees are as valuable.. There is sorta stigma of 'replaceable' to the hourly check.
Just my $24.99 (discounted this week to $0.02!).
-] Crow
I don't understand the importance of this inclusion as I figured that it was already in their secure server version. As far as I understand RSA will not allow you to license their stuff in the USA without it's use.
I heard somewhere that they are being produced both at the same time, and that the movies will be released only a few months from each other.. I just hope they don't rush it.
My God man! What planet do YOU live on? Do you REALLY believe all of that? Are you really a hippie that just steped through a time portal from the late 60's? Did you learn your world view from Pravda of the 50's? Your argument that an effective ABM system relies upon our "enemies" believing that it works at 100% is just foolishness. Think of it this way: you are some dictator somewhere and happen to have a fully functional ICBM at your disposal. What are you going to do with it? Well, you MIGHT decide to launch it against the Great Satan of the West (i.e. USA).. But are you going to do that if there is a 50% chance that said launch would be a major waste of a good missle (i.e. it could get splashed down before it ever made it to target) ? I mean, I would assume there would be some sort of repercussions for launching a missle at New York, and if you thought for one moment that it wasn't going to get through, you aren't nearly as likely to launch it. The OTHER thing that you might do with such a missle, is to attempt blackmail.. Say something like "If you don't allow me to absorb my neighboring country in peace, New York is going to be a smoking cinder" kinda thing... This also don't work to well with ANY kind of ABM system in place.. I mean, if we have one, and have notice, I would assume that the % of kills would climb, so now, we say: "If you fire that nuke, not only might it not make it, but if it does, your whole country is gonna be glowing tomorrow AM".. Tell me where my logic breaks down. Oh, and by the way, while the B2 is a ship without a mission, the F22 is SO desperately needed it ain't funny. In case you haven't noticed, this country has been going through a military downsizing comparable to what we went through after WW1.. Not a smart move (please look at the history of the world EVERY time we have done this). We have retired or are retiring the A-6, A-10, F4G (Wild Weasel for anti-SAM), and F-14 (no more Top Gun?).. This means we are losing our ability to PROJECT power( an example of this: the F/A-18 is supposed to replace the A-6 and F-14 for their roles: problem: the F/A-18 is a great plane, but it doesn't have any legs, it is also unable to field the Phoenix missle system). If you think that this is unimportant, think about what would have happened in the Gulf War without that ability? Or what might have happened in the 80's with Quadafi ? And the ONLY reason we are retiring these platforms is because people like you want to take that money and pump it back into more government.. Don't EVEN get me started about the failure of government run schools in this country.. That is a whole 'nother rant! Of course, I am sure I am just another Imperialist Pig looking to take over the world.. BAH! O.K., /RANT -] Crow
I think this is really awesome that the OpenBSD guys did this.. I am totally sure that this will be ported over to every FreeN*X out there in no time flat (I have already seen someone starting a Linux port).. The only problem I have with it (and it isn't something that the OpenBSD guys can fix) is this:
OpenSSH is the best thing to use for remote admin, bar none.. I use it on all my boxen myself.. Unfourtunately I live and work in the US of A, and I am therefore infringing on RSA's patent on the RSA algorithym.
OpenBSD has successfully unencumbered SSH from everything except the patents on the algorithyms they are using. Two of them, RSA & IDEA, are patented and therefore require licensing for commercial use.
IDEA is easily lived without, as SSH uses several other algos for symetric encryption (RC4, DES, 3DES & Blowfish), but only one (RSA) for the public/private key encrytion nessasary to set up a session.
It would be nice if the OpenBSD guys could shove some Diffie-Hellman key exchange code into there as an option for those of us stuck in the States..
-] Crow
Kudos to Theo et. al. for finally getting the recognition they so much deserve..
OpenBSD may well end up being the best of the bunch if it can get the support is so needs. I think that as people realize the need for security, more people will come to appreciate OpenBSD.
-] Crow
I for one seriously doubt that we will be going back to the moon anytime soon.. We as a species just don't seem to want to. Sure there are one or two of us that have a keen interest in it and some would drop everything and leave in a hot second! But the vast majority of people just don't get it.. They think that the only reason to leave this planet would be for money or something.. They have no desire to reach out further than their television remotes. In the late 60's when Apollo was on track, the US Air Force had plans for a moon base. It have been pretty big, and fully funtioning by 1976! What actually happened? Well, after Apollo 11 everyone CHANGED THE F**KING TV Channel! "Apollo 17??? You mean we did it again? Why?" We were so damned stupid that Apollo 18's Saturn V is laid out in front of the Johnson Space Center in Houston! A fully man-rated moon rocket that just needed to be fueled and launched sits rusting! Apollo 19 sits in front of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida! Why? Because no one could be bothered to even care! Let alone pay for it.. I mean, damn people! We were just getting good at it when we quit! Now we have a fully political space program that is using our supposed space station project (now the "international" space station) to fund the former Soviet aerospace industry! That is irony folks! US tax dollars going to the same people who build SS-22 nuclear missles and MiG-29 jets! We HAD a space station! A good space station! We built it out of SPARE PARTS from the Apollo program !! (it was going to be Apollo 20, but that didn't happen obviously). What did we do with our fully funtioning (larger than Mir BTW) space station? Well, we were so busy pouring money into the "Space Plane" project that would become the abortion that is the Space Shuttle that we didn't have any way of getting people, spare parts or even fuel to it.. So it fell into the ocean and scattered over Australia too.. Sorry guys to drop that thing on you, but we are so stupid we can't even put more gas into it! So, to close: We spent tons of money, put more effort into the project than the Manhatten project to get to the moon.. Then we left. Will we return? Not today.. Remember one thing folks: The Vikings discovered the Americas first.. but we barely remember them.. It is only when you go and STAY that you are remembered.. anything else is just masturbation. --] Crow ps- will it take US 900 years to return to the moon? It took Europe that long with America.
Will OpenBSD and NetBSD be there as well, or is this purely a FreeBSD thing?
What I would like to see is a step by step HowTo on security, for both individual hosts and networks.. Kinda like a "Security for Dummies" guide!
If you think that Dell is only a step up from Packard-Bell, you have obviously not had to work with them very often.. While it is true that they use lot's of very standard stuff (i.e. Intel board, Adaptec chips, STB video, etc), this is very useful if you buy them for corp.
I have MANY Dell PCs (and Servers, the 4300 is SWEET) in operation within our enterprise. I won't switch.