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xlogan writes "I received my FreeBSD 99 catalog in the mail today from Walnut Creek and The FreeBSD Mall and it included a little brochure about FreeBSDCon '99. Hope I can get work to pay for the trip ;-) "
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Yeah, but why only FreeBSD? Shouldn't Net/OpenBSD be included too?
After you do your default install, you got to delve into partioning, counting cylingers, editing the raw disklable etc.
Vinum == Volume manager, lets you stripe/concatenate several disks.
Nope, the BSD-is-dead trolls have been around much longer than the Wintrolls.
Sorry, I had to say that to restore the cosmic balance in this thread.
There are a lot more FreeBSD users than Net/OpenBSD users. But a ''*BSD con'' would really be nice. The Linux people have no RedHatCon, DebianCon, SlackCon , so why should the BSD people have seperate conventions?
it's a pity :( i hope the other BSD people are at least welcome!
I agree. People shouldn't bash other OSes only because their own OS is better. OpenBSD has even integrated cod from Linus Torvalds himself (the i386 math emulation)
come on, the OpenBSD installation is easy. You only need a calculator, to enter the right cyl.-numbers, that's all. Installing Minix from hand can be problematic
There is only _/*ONE*/_ Linux kernel, but there are 3 different BSD Kernel
If anyone cares to look carefully, it will become obvious that this is not a convention in a true sense but more of an "infomercial" sponsered by Walnut Creek. In addition to Walnut Creek, one of the sponsers is FreeBSD Mall. Despite the name, this FreeBSD Mall is a front for Walnut Creek CDROM. They are one and the same company! It is a deceptive ruse used to fake some interest in a product which has failed to attract much of a following. I don't know about you, but I hate being lied to by slick hucksters. The convention is really an oversized booth devoted to Walnut Creek CDROM. It shouldn't be construed as a convention in ... well ... the convetional sense.
If anybody really cares to look carefully, it will become obvious that this is not a convention in the true sense but a deceptive "infomercial" sponsered by Walnut Creek CDROM. In addition to Walnut Creek, one of the sponsers is FreeBSD Mall. Despite the name, this FreeBSD Mall is a front for Walnut Creek CDROM. They are one and the same company! It is a deceptive ruse used to fake some interest in a product which has failed to attract much of a following otherwise. The ``convention'' is really an oversized booth devoted to Walnut Creek CDROM. But Walnut Creek is no stranger to deception. For starters, it's not even located in Walnut Creek! Why the lies? This non-event shouldn't be construed as a convention in ... well ... the convetional sense.
So, what does the shark logo of OpenVMS tell us?
That they'll eat up the competition?
> Are they gonna have daemons caged up there? Yes, in grey boxes. I guess, there will be a lot of inet-, portmap-, update-, nfs-, nfsio-, mount-, http-, name-, dhcp- ... daemons. :-).
Things are arranged for cdparanoia IV getting ported to FreeBSD as well. Monty is aiming for a more portable design than the present one.
More in a few weeks! :)
Bullshit. The only reason you see anti-BSD stuff is because of the anti-Linux stuff that BSD advocates started posting first.
Where is it?
Ungh
So go down to 5 Points and cry in your beer........wish I was stll there.
Chuck would bbq Tux's ass and have him for Sunday dinner.
BSD the chuck taylors on the little guy sure look All-American, but the horns and tails reveal a different story: this OS is for Satanists !
Linux By Communists for Communists. Look at any picture of a penguin colony. See any private property there? No way, just row on row of identical looking birds who walk funny. They walk alike and they talk alike.
Be one blue letter. one red letter. Be: for people who don't know what they are! Or maybe just have a fixation with Calvin Klein "fragrance" ads.
OS/2 Paul Rand's round logo resembles a rubber stamp as well as old-timey pricetags. And it was no coincidence that the product sold thereunder was too expensive and old and based on old technology from an old company too old to invent new wonders like talking paperclips and used by people so unhip and old that the only place it caught on was the old folks home. Go Granpa!.
Windows Approved for use in the home and office by God and Walt Disney and the Trilateral Commission, this operating system gives users the freedom to create specially formatted text and data documents that they can exchange with other users who are also in the club. They can do all this while resetting their desktop events to key .wav files downloaded form fart.com or running AOL in the background, or otherwise receiving approved Internet content via Internet Explorer. To symbolize the limitless possibilities of the Windows enduser experience and the robustness and security of the underlying software, an appropriate and familiar object was worked into a banner-like icon, setting Windows users apart as a nation favored by the Creator to receive many benefits and dominion over the Earth.
10 out of 10 marketing execs agree: if you're not running Windows, there's something really wrong with you!
Partitioning disks (esp for vinum) was just too hard.
Call me stupid. Maybe the braincells for counting cylinders and directly editing disk labels died int the 80's
So appalled by the lack of coherent online info on this subject that I went to the bookstore and read the partitioning section of the "Complete FreeBSD". A little better than the online support but not much.
Finally gave up, started from scratch had a Linux 90GB IDE Samba server up and running in about an hour or so (using multidisk/raidtools and 4 IBM 25"gb" drives)
Sure FreeBSD may be nicer (especially like all the automatic security/system reports), but my users don't know the difference.
That said, once you get a freebsd system up and running it IS one of the best server OS's out there.......
wow, so much negativity here. I'll assume that the guy accusing FreeBSD of having an ego (my pair of scissors has an ego, talk about tough to deal with) is one guy posting the same wittless babble repeatedly. I wish I had that much spare time on my hands.
:("
At any rate, people join mass movements to be free from freedom. Blend in with a cause, be average. Perhaps we should do away with ACs and force people that want to post to take responsibilty for themselves. I'll be the first to admit, as a FreeBSD user, that Linux articles get a good deal of "Linux Sux" garbage posted by ACs too. If I was a betting man, which I am, I would wager to say that quality of posts would increase 10 fold at least if everyone had to login to post.
just my thoughts on dickless weanies.
DWRM
PS Yes I know it's fairly off topic, so I'll say "neat, I wish I could attend but unfortunately I cant
While we are at this: *BSD have much less "fuck"s and "shit"s and other bad words in their source codes. Last time I counted them (find -exec grep|wc), I only found some in the gnu part of the source tree (kernel+userland). BTW #1: Does anybody know if the number of "fuck"s in the linux kernel have increased over the time? Or did someone started "cleaning up"? BTW #2: I could imagin that the word "fuck" in a text qualifies it as "porn" in some states of the US (Hey, the *beep* it on TV there!). Thus Linux may be illegal for some minors in the states! :-).
That snob attitude of yours and the NetBSD crowd deserve each other.
Want to switch to BSD? Be our guest and good riddens to you.
hrm, network went down and I think it screwed up the post. ranting on ACs and then ended up posted as an AC :(
http://www.freebsd.org
I, on the other hand, use my Slackware CDs for the same think I use my Win NT Server CDs for:
beer coasters.
Most Linux distributions are good. All three *BSDs are good. Slackware just sucks.
The two NetBSD users and the three OpenBSD users are welcome to attend.
No one will mind.
WC has supported a few of the Linux dists as well. FTP.cdrom.com has done quite a bit to make the whole open source thing work.
Soemone has to pay the bills.
Boy.. you sound like a pinko or a hippie, I'm not sure which.
How about you go somewhere nice and quiet, away from your keyboard, and let your mind relax.
Linux really *is* a CultOS, and comments like yours reinforce that in my mind. The "Joy of Tux" and "Linux lovefest", indeed. Sounds just like something out of Jonestown.
and here i thought something called freebsd might have a con thatd be preaty cheap... mabey even free.. oh well, whats in a name anyway.....
Do the calculation McKusick is charging 1400 x 40. That is 56 thousand dollars just to hear him drone on about code which he stole from US Air Force programmers. Yeah I know it all. I'm a veteran and I was there. He was a yellow coward who hid behind deferments during the war.
Are they gonna have daemons caged up there?
To err is human,
To really screw up, you need a computer!
Agreed!!!
Don't forgat that a fair ammount of source code gets traded back and forth between the Linux & *BSD folks. I frimly believe that the *BSD folks deserve better PR than they have gotten.
Besides, there is plenty of room for everything which is not M$. So show you support, at least mention *BSD when advocating Linux!!!
Don't forget that Kirk McKusick is teaching a class on BSD Unix for the first two days. It's an extra $400 or so, but well worth it.
Looks to be very cool.
i move from the bay area to columbia, sc, and ALL the great cons happen like the minute i move *GRRR*
"There is no spoon" - Neo, The Matrix
Jonathan Hubbard and the rest of the gang should be rather pleased with themselves. With a miniscule amount of support and publicity compared to Linux, the FreeBSD team has done a superlative job in creating an OS that, for the x86 platform, is hands down one of the best. While Linux is the media darling, we shouldn't forget the efforts of the Free/Net/OpenBSD teams, as all of them have a niche. Besides, the FreeBSD daemon is just about as cute as tux, and is alot more sinister looking. They deserve a show of their own!
Andrew G. Feinberg
compared to most linux zealots. BTW look at FreeBSD's tcp/ip stack and SMP support before you open your mouth.
I've been trying to decide whether to load FreeBSD onto a dual 266 but a lot of what I've read says that the 2.2.x kernel is better for SMP.
Any clarification please.
Pork is not a verb
Will OpenBSD and NetBSD be there as well, or is this purely a FreeBSD thing?
See what works best for you. Thats the real test.
Hey, I remember seeing these guys at LinuxWorld! I wonder... is someone also gonna set up a lonely little Linux booth at FreeBSD 99? :-P
pingu will crush you with his flippers
Actually, and I'm a fan of both OSes, I've seen a lot more mindless Linux bashing from FreeBSD people than mindless BSD bashing from Linux people. I used to hang out in #freebsd on EfNet but got sick of it because every single day involved some stupid "You use LinSUCKS? Eww!" argument.
.02: Both sides need to just calm down and accept that both OSes have plusses and minuses but are overall about the best things out there.
My
If there's ever an convention or expo for both the Linux and *BSD crowds, I think that they ought to have a wresting match between a guy in a Tux costume and a guy in a BSD daemon costume. I don't think it's that much sillier than a paintball fight between vi and emacs partisans (which actually was an event at a Linux convention), and it would give people a chance to laugh at themselves.
Whoa, BSD shows up in 1772 lines in linux kernel source code? I'm impressed Linux is looking more like BSD!!
That's funny!
you just need to run "disklabel -e "
then make a "clone of the 'c' partition called 'e', make the FStype 'vinum'
run vinum and simply:
'stripe e e e'
It's really not _that_ bad.
- Alfred Perlstein - Programmer and Administrator, Wintelcom.
This event will only serve to drive a deeper wedge into the BSD [dysfunctional] family. Contrast the exclusionary FreeBSD approach to the inclusive Linux approach where all variants of Linux meet under Tux's Big Tent. Red Hat, Caldera, Suse, et al routinely gather in a Linux lovefest, celebrating the Joy of Tux, without regard to race, creed, or national origin. Shame on the BSD honchos for their inability to bury the hatchet and put away old grudges.
Please look at the last graph at:
http://www.emsphone.com/stats/freebsd.html
Just something actually tangible. The growth is actually pretty astounding.
I'm not sure if i'm more confused by your definition of 'shrinking' or why _every_ FreeBSD related post on slashdot turns into an OS holy-war.
I just wanted to thank CmdrTaco for the forum to share FreeBSD related news.
Oh, and my company is paying for my FreeBSDCON experiance! w00p!
- Alfred Perlstein - Programmer and Administrator, Wintelcom.
bsd sux, d00dz. L1nUx 0wwnz j00.
i'm 3l337 h4x0R d00d, g0tt4 uSe L1nUx.
w4ssup t0 477 tr4dErZ and h4x0rz
it is so sad but i will be the first to admit that freebsd is not going to survive. i started using freebsd five years ago and every year i kept hearing promises. these promises have never panned out. there are no more applications for freebsd now that five years ago. i like freebsd but the leaders tell lies. i do not like lies. it is a lie to say that freebsd is more than a curiosity. there are no applications. no no. i do not want emulation. there are no REAL bsd applications. they lie. i will soon be retired so it doesn't matter. i am sick of computers anyway.
Judging from the ignorant anti-BSD ranting that seems to go on anytime Slashdot has a BSD-related article, I am ever more and more glad that I'm migrating away from Linux to NetBSD. I still have a Slackware machine for cdparanoia, but that's about all it gets used for.
Eventually we will come to pity the mature forward-thinking people in the Linux community who have to put up with all these children.
Even if all the *BSD operating systems disappeared tomorrow, BSD would not be dead. Try grepping for 'BSD' in your Linux kernel source.
Drugs are good, you straight-edged loser.
hey luser, i dont have linux source.
LINUX SUCKS DONKEY DOO
Nigga.... Puhleez.
Xlogan is a wanker. He's sitting 15 feet away from me. Should I throw something at him?
Unca Sid
The extremely informative and very economically priced two-day class that Kirk is presenting is, unfortunately, sold out. You can, of course, take his regular class for a mere $1500.oo. That's 15 three-hour sessions.
If anyone looks carefully, it will become obvious that this is not a convention in a true sense but more of an "infomercial" sponsered by Walnut Creek. In addition to Walnut Creek, one of the sponsers is FreeBSD Mall. Despite the name, this FreeBSD Mall is a front for Walnut Creek CDROM. They are one and the same company! It is a deceptive ruse used to fake some interest in a product which has failed to attract much of a following. The convention is really an oversized booth devoted to Walnut Creek CDROM. It shouldn't be construed as a convention in ... well ... the convetional sense.
No, the real pity is that people think that criticizing Linux is only something a "pro-Microsoft" person would do. It has nothing to do with Microsoft. It's only been recently that forces have come on the scene who think that Linux is a club to beat Microsoft with.
We aren't all Windows refugees, ya know. I for one use a wide variety of operating systems, including BeOS, OS/2, NetBSD, Slackware Linux, and yes, Microsoft.
Whatever. When people for linuxworld, they assume linux is one OS, ignoring the idiosynchracies of each distribution. The BSD family presents themselves as different operating systems, while linux folk just speak of linux as if the linux kernel makes all the distros the same OS. This puts up an illusion masking differences between distros: packaging mechanisms, administration tools, c libraries (I mean really, if you want to develop for the "Linux OS" do you have to distribute both libc and glibc versions). BSD is a family of OSes, but not the same operating system. Linux, on the other hand tries to claim that there is a "Linux OS" while there are probably more incompatibilities between distributions than between any of the three free BSD's. And, all BSD's have very similar packaging mechanisms, upgrade procedures, development models, and overall "look and feel".
Some people have said freebsd is dead. But a better word would be ``shrinking'' as in shrinking market share (reported by IDC audit). Like the man who walks halfway to the door, and halfway again, ad infinitum, freebsd keeps drawing closer to that final curtain, without ever quite reaching it completely.
BSD has one of the best default installs, no problems with partitioning just dedicate all your disks etc. Very slick.
Now try to install Vinum using different partitions on the same IDE disks you installed your FreeBSD partitions on.
Then come back and make an intelligent comment.
Two of the best things to come from there are LSD and Unix. I tend to prefer the former. :)
Yeah, well...Bezerkeley is a helluva lot better and fun to be around than some boring places. Like, let's say, the West Michigan area around Holland and Grand Haven. I recommend a visit, for FreeBSD or not, just to experience the place.
Hmm, I don't really have much to say about this. *BSD is very much alive. It's doing well, could be better, but it's still there, and looks like it's here to stay for a while.
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It's sad that far too many people feel that in order to support Microsoft they must trash Linux. They seem to believe that only their OS preference is worthy of mention. This is the same attitude that *BSD has.
Apparently now that Slashdot is getting exposure in the mainstream media, every pointy-headed cretin with a computer has been drawn here to try to spoil things. This is an unfortunate indication of the state of our species' gene pool.
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