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Dell: Linux will be Option Very Soon
At the end of this interview with Michael Dell:
Where is [alternative operating system] Linux going?
A: I've been surprised. We had a commercial customer order 250 machines with
Linux on them to run a retail network of stores. There is growing demand there. We're going to start selling Linux to single-party users very soon.
Q: It's going to be on the menu?
A: Yes. You'll go to Dell, pull down "operating system," and click
"Linux."
Its good to see at least one of the major computer vendors aren't scared of big bad Microsoft.
Is this the same Dell that sells winmodems
to the unsuspecting public? Methinks they
better do away with those before they consider
bundling linux with their systems.
What are you waiting for??? Buy from VA Research today! They've been supporting Linux from day one, and they make great systems. (No, I don't work for them...)
-posting anonymously because I forgot who I am
When is Dell going to put their money where their mouth is? I've been hearing this kind of BS from them for almost a year now. "Any day now we'll have Linux support."
Maybe they want to sit on the fence a little longer, but they should stop deceiving their customers.
They aren't going to just put this option anywhere and everywhere. They are most likely going to put it on their workstation & server class PC's (e.g. OptiPlex and Poweredge). The regular Dimensions will likely have Win98 as the only option. Just look at the system configurator page now. Win98 is the only option for the desktop/consumer screens. The other brands have a dropdown with different options(Win98, NT, Netware - as it stands now).
Obviously they don't expect the general consumer base to understand or care about having the choice. Which might be good, since those PCs mentioned above (that would have the option) would probably have better components (read: no Winmodems) than the reg. consumer lines.
Hopefully Dell does this in a positive way and doesn't just pay lip service to Linux.
Out.
It doesn't matter whether Dell is really planning on making Linux workstations available to the end user at its storefront. The mere fact that a high-ranking Dell official has made this statement is going to be causing all the other top-tier vendors to scramble and formulate Linux plans of their own.
Once they've done that, all it will take is one major vendor to dare to face Microsoft's wrath, and everyone will scramble to sell Linux preinstalled on their systems.
I don't expect much in the way of Linux support from Dell. Michael Dell is obviously in Bill's pocket by his constant defense and choice of metaphors when asked about the antitrust trial.
To put it in terms you can understand, Michael, the proper metaphor is not car companies or computer hardware companies (which have plenty of competition). What if the local phone company told all it's customers that to make a phone call, they'd have to buy a Lucent-only computer-phone that also connected them to the Internet and let them do word processing (it's added value!). Of course, you're still free to get a computer from Dell if the phone-computer doesn't work as well as you like.
Or if you don't want it at all, you're free do do without our phone service. Get a cell-phone or ask your cable company. But if you want a phone line installed, even if you'd rather use a Dell computer afterwards, you have to buy one of our machines first, and it'll be illegal to resell it to anybody, and we won't give you a refund if you don't use it.
How would that make you feel, Mr. Dell?
but maybe for a reason that people haven't thought ..... now Dell's suppliers (disks, modems, .... people who in the past .... or losing Dell's business
of
video cards etc) are going to see a new check off
item when they are bidding for Dell's business -
it's "Linux Drivers"
could ignore Linux will now be faced with
supporting it
It is the 78xx series, yes.
Finally, a reasonably priced Linux hardware vendor.
Maybe I can afford a laptop from them.
Now that NT is supported by many of the winmodems, all of the big vendors are doing it.
\http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html\
Now that NT is supported by many of the winmodems, all of the big vendors are doing it.
(plug)
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
(/plug)
That is if they offered a good support contract with the box. Id love being able to give them a call and say, "Hey, sendmail isnt doing foo like I want... any clues?" I doubt that you would ever get that kind of support from them though. Speaking of support, Gateway is offering conference calls now, where a few people talk to a tech at once. Gives them something to do between boots. Anyway I guess its hilarious because you get to listen to some of the other support calls.
I wonder if they are still going to have some form of zztop on thier linux PC's. That little prog restores all of the software to its original config by reformatting and restoring from a disk image. Its great for fixing those damn windows problems that are indecipherable. I consider it the last R of windows troubleshooting methodology. You know, reboot, reconfigure, reinstall. It would be great for people who bonehead around as root. I think that it is a DOS program though.
Just out of curiosity, why is there "technically" still an NT partition on there? And what exactly does that mean? :)
>I spent my money at VAResearch and everything's >been just fine, thank you, including a price >less than Compaq for the same speed, ram, disk. >Substantially less, so I figure it's an NT tax.
I have not seen any VA stuff up close, but they really just look like well-built clone machines made from good parts. Why not just put one together yourself if you're going to go that route?
Compaq servers are expensive, but they are worth every penny. I would (and do!) spend an extra couple grand for Compaq reliablity. I dunno about the "NT tax" comment. I have never seen a Compaq server delivered with an OS installed on it, but I would imagine that a Compaq reseller would install the OS for you if you asked. Every Compaq Proliant we've ever purchased came bare. They used to even include a pack of OS installation CDs to choose from- Netware, NT, and SCO- I think the idea was that you would call up Compaq and order a license that would unlock the disks.
I've got a Dimension XPS H266 - a PII 266 w/ 64M RAM, and it kicks ass running Linux! :)
Of course my Adaptec UW SCSI controller and 7200rpm Western Digital Enterprise help it right along!
XFree86 for the Matrox Millenium is *fast*.
Naturally I bought a real modem.
I've even ripped off then "designed for microshit" sticker, and replaced it with a slick penguin one.
Happy hacker
So what?
Anyone can wait, and wait and Parrot the M$ party-line while IBM/Compaq/ORACLE/Sybase/Informix and all the other binary-only companies pledge THEIR undying love first, THEN jump 'on board'.
I won't buy a fscking thing from Dell, Gateway OR Micron.
VA or Penguin? VA or Penguin? VA or Penguin?
And *that* ought to spell monopoly to anyone paying attention.
Dell is one of Intel's and Microsoft's biggest customers. The fact that Dell is scared of these guys and not the otherway around is bothersome.
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Buy a bunch of emachine and asked for a Microsoft Windows refund!
That'll be a sweet refund, considering how much windows '98 would cost. I think I might get a bunch of investors together and just buy 20,000 emachine and get refund from Microsoft Windows. If I get the refund I can dramatically drop the price of each machine to like $320.
The reason I do this is that Microsoft bleed Netscape to death by giving away IE for FREE.
Why don't we do the same damn thing; get a bunch of investors together to buy 1 million copies of Microsoft Windows '98 and refund it the same day. That'll surge Microsoft price up and then down. Give them a rollercoaster ride like they did to Netscape.
It's legal; buying 1 million copies of Microsoft Windows and do a refund the next day. I asked my attorney, he said there's nothing in the book that say you can't do it.
Kent
Ok, I guess basic skills (like addition) are no longer being adequately taught in our schools. But, really, do the math here. Dell is way cheaper than Penguin - for similar hardware.
VA sells "intel platform" servers as their high end. These boxes are built by Intel, OEM's just slap their name on them. Micron does this with the SC450NX platform. VA also sells this model and it's VERY VERY NICE. It's compact because it only has six hot swappable bays, but it can hold two gigs of RAM and up to four Xeons.
I've used Micron NetFrames, Compaq Proliant's, Dell PowerEdge, HP NetServer and IBM Netfinity, and I have to say I like the SC450NX the best. When it comes to servers, I'm just a big fan of plain vanilla.
Reasons not to buy VA today:
VA is for servers and higher-end workstations, not home
users. Support from VA as a home user? Forget it.
VA machines are overpriced. Linux requires less, not more,
hardware than Windoze to get good performance.
VA is run by the same people who tried to hijack Linux a few
months ago with the Linux Standards Assocation scam. You
think these people have the interests of Linux users in mind?
No - they want to broker Linux to the corporate community.
Not to say that Dell is the "good guys" here, but this will have
a snowballing effect in encouraging other distributors to pre-
install Linux or offer it as an option for *Home Users* - if there
are any customers.
This is a big "if". You may discover that the only people who
want Linux are nerds with high-paying jobs who can afford
high-end machines like those offered by VA and have special
high-speed network connections so they could care less about
Winmodems or any modems.
This is a shame because LInux is an excellent system for
people who can only afford super-cheap PC's (in the $500
range) and Linux will run well on such machines.
Let's hope that the generic PC shops that "build" cheap computers
for home users and the super-cheap PC vendors offer Linux
as a option within the next year. This will give Linux a chance
to put up or shut regarding its claims to be a good system for
home users and small business people who want value and
performance.
I've had first-hand experience with Dell's support about some USB drivers, or something, and the guys there just read stuff to you off the screen. Their linux support won't be in any way different than you reading a man page for yourself.
Copper PowerPC?
Less buggy
Better attention to licensing issues
Better packaging system
Hey Dude,,chill out..Me think you pissed off because *you* made a mistake..What does the name *WIN* modem mean..Dummy it is for stupid M$ windows only..So me think..instead of u jerking all over u self trying to bad mouth that good company DELL, go get a life...
I used systems from Gateway and Micron too..But nothing beats our DELL systems..They are rock solid..this is the fourth year we bought from them again..So chill out dude..
Besides that, Dell is so close to Microsoft this move just doesn't make sense. Could Microsoft be cutting them some slack? Sort of a corporate Astroturf movement in reverse??
But Dell Poweredge 6300 is the better system...
10 hot swappable SCSI LVD drives..4 gigs of memeory and 4 Xeons with 2Mb L2 cache..On top of
that you can get the server to page you for impending failures..Never had to do that..but you can pull the power connector off and see how that battery powered card does its JOB..DELL rules..TRY them
Dimension is a home system..You should try the
Precion worksations..It will blow your mind away..At school we have two of them..built in scsi (7890)..Two Xeons...Boy talk about a good linux worksation...Rendering is done infront of your eyes..before you can say NO SHIT!!!
It's nice to see Linux make that little baby step to access the PeeCee clone market, and maybe become a little more popular...
But isnt it high time Linux become actually useful to people? To do this, Linux needs to stop being a proJECT and start being a proDUCT. It's time that the Linux community realize that open source and the GPL will only take Linux so far, and we're rapidly approaching (some say we've already passed it) the point where it becomes a hinderance.
What's need to happen: Linux needs real development and mindshare...it needs professional programmers working on it, who's asses and careers are on the line, working it ALL DAY, EVERY DAY. It needs a company, a major one, to develop it, nurture it, and push it towards the masses.
The obvious and perfect choice for this is Apple. If control and ownership of Linux were tranferred over to Apple, then thing's would really start to happen. They'd port to it a decent (for a change) GUI interface that even your grandma could use. (face it, people, KDE and GNOME are just distractions -- MacOS's GUI is simply perfect. It's a GUI done RIGHT, in every respect).
Not just that, but multimedia...Linux is basically
out of the running as far as multimedia goes -- it has no software in that arena at all. BANG! With a wave of Steve Jobs' hand and a stroke of his pen, instant QTML! From Zero to dominance in the blink of an eye!
I'm not advocating that Apple give up on MacOSX by any stretch of the imagination...MacOSX will prove itself to be far far better than even Linux, certainly over NT...as it takes over and transforms the worldwide internet server market.
Linux would, no doubt, be a much better choice for the low end machines...where performance isnt as much of a concern.
Apple has the corporate culture that Linux needs to make the big time. Apple's probably the only one who'd care enough to protect it. As long as
Microsoft is tied up in court, they cant be seen
openly fighting and opressing Linux and Apple. But once it's over (and you KNOW they'll just get a slap on the wrist)...Microsoft will be mad and out for vengeance. When MS directs it's full firepower on Linux, that hippy-crowd OS will be toast in no time.
Apple's strength could thrust Linux into the center of the action....w/o it, Linux is going to start slowing down (it HAS to; it's approaching the nerd saturation point right now), and start slipping as it comes to the limits of what open source/ hippy licencing can do.
They'll run DOS 9.0 or whatever the hell they call the next version of that Win thing.
A little rambling...but there's a point here. The operating system is just the foundation of the building. Linux won't be popular until there's software...and no, not dumb opensource projects with wierd names that no one has ever heard of. They want shrink wrap, they want recognizable names.
I dont know how many times I heard people say: "I like linux, but it wont run my favorite software, or these games I just warez'ed off the net, because it sucks too much!" That's really sad.
Linux isnt dead...it's on the outside, looking in. We need someone on the inside to let software developers know that it's okay to write for Linux.
I dont agree with the posters reasoning, but, yes the best candidate for that is probably Apple. Getting access to Apple's software (the GUI, and quicktime) would be a good side-benefit. I've heard that Corel and IBM have committed to Linux, a little, but Corel's basically toast at this point, and for IBM, Linux is one platform out of many.
I have to feel that the PC market will be a very different place 3 years from now. Intel (and other x86'es) based PCs are hitting their limits now. The MHz keeps going up, but the machines arent getting faster. Sooner are later, people are going to stop paying big bux for tiny upgrades. They'll realize that x86 has hit the wall, and will shift to a new platform...probably the PowerPC/G4. Making Apple a partner will leave Linux in position to catch that wave.
I welcome every positive steps that help grow Linux market share, including this by Dell. Dream: I can find a full time job working on Linux, this will be a real enjoyment.
That's the point of the whole exercise-- Free Software is not a business model, it's a philosophy; a technological innovation like the Industrial Revolution.
Apple may be friendlier to "hippies," but as its core, Apple still wants to _be_ Microsoft. This is anathema to GNU, and GNU is what made open source great.
The computer press doesn't get it yet-- maybe they don't want to get it. Every story needs a winner and a loser, traditionally two corporate entities battling for market share and ultimately shareholder value. MS has this duty to its shareholders; but Linux is a movement, not a company.
Linux and GNU seek mindshare, and market share just happens to be the best way to get it.
emachines does this too. In fact I consider this outright fraud because a "winmodem" is not really a modem, as it has no firmware or any way of responding to real modem commands. I learned this from a friend's box, and I also learned they ship out very marginal IDE CD-ROM drives that conveniently croak under Linux.
In case it isn't clear: NEVER, EVER BUY FROM EMACHINES!
You think these people have the interests of Linux users in mind?
Most likely not, but the same can be said for most of us present
here in this earth.
During my many years in the Linux world, I have had the good consolation of
knowing, however, that VA Research is actively
contributing to many Linux projects. Their contributions are prominent
and ubiquitous, this I know, and are more plentiful than the few that
Mr. Buck in his humbleness indicated. I am sure, if he had posted a
bzzzzt....wrong answer. The 6300 has SIX hot swappable bays, and can have 2 more non hot swappable HD bays. The paging deal is done through the DRAC2 card which only works in NT/Netware and must have HP Openview installed to do so. Also the new quad channel raid controller only has NT drivers.
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vg jnf bire naq fur jnf noyr gb yrnir, snyyvat va rkunhfgvba bagb gur
orq va ure rkcrafvir ubgry ebbz.
Ure ynfg gubhtug orsber fyrrc biregbbx ure jnf gung fur arrqrq
n oernx, fur gubhtug fur'q tb onpx gb Ratynaq.
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Gjb Qnlf Yngre.
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Wndhryvar Angyn - PRB naq Sbhaqre bs gur uvtuyl fhpprffshy
Zhygvangvbany Angyn Grpuabybtvrf - ernq gur negvpyr va lrfgreqnl'f
cncre bapr zber jvgu vagrerfg. Chggvat vg qbja fur lnjarq,
fgergpuvat ure nezf naq checbfryl oevatvat ure purfg sbejneq fb gung
gur gvtug juvgr ohfvarff fuveg ntnvafg ure ynetr oernfgf fgergpurq
nccebcevngryl - fur xarj Ynefra jbhyq or fgnevat ng gurz sbe nf ybat
nf cbffvoyr orsber oevatvat uvf rlrf onpx hc gb ure snpr.
- V pna fgvyy qevir gurz jvyq nsgre frireny zvyyraavn, - fur
gubhtug gb urefrys jvgu n teva. Svavfuvat gur lnja fur cvpxrq hc gur
byq wbheany naq yrnsrq guebhtu vg bar zber gvzr, crehfvat gur ynfg
yvarf ntnva naq ntnva :
"....perngbe uvzfrys. Zl gbrf fjrng ng fhpu cbffvovyvgvrf naq
V svaq V zhfg orng gurfr gubhtugf bhg bs zl urnq rnpu avtug........"
Gur byq zbax unq orra sbbyvfu gb abg ng yrnfg ybbx sbe gur
fpvba, fur gubhtug, fur fubbx ure urnq naq ybbxrq bapr zber ng gur
znc, gur ybpngvbaf unq orra cvacbvagrq, nyy gung erznvarq jnf gb svaq
n pbhcyr bs cngfvrf. Fur syvpxrq hc ure yncgbc naq obhtug hc gur
ivqrb yvax jvgu Rltcg.
"Nal yhpx lrg?" fur fnvq gb gur fubeg zna jub nccrnerq ba gur
fperra, ur jber n onfronyy pnc onpxjneqf ba uvf urnq naq uryq n
fxngrobneq va uvf unaqf - cngurgvp, ur jnf gjragl avar lrnef byq,
fgvyy, ur pbhyq nyjnlf or pbhagrq ba gb trg gur wbo qbar.
"Abar, vg ybbxf yvxr lbh jrer evtug, jr'yy arrq gur bgure gjb
cvrprf bs gur fpvba gb svaq jurer gurl chg guvf bar."
Fur fvturq,"V unq ubcrq vg jbhyq or rnfvre, ohg gubfr gjb
onfgneqf jrer arire barf gb qb guvatf gur rnfl jnl."
Fur pnyyrq hc n arj ivqrb yvax, guvf bar va Ybaqba, n uhyxvat
oynpx zna nccrnerq, guvpxyl zhfpyrq jvgu gur nccrnenapr bs
fghcvqvgl,"Unir lbh sbhaq uvz?"
"Ab zn'nz," gur uhtr zna fnvq,"Ohg V qb unir fbzr fgebat
yrnqf."
"Sbyybj guebhtu," fur fnvq,"Naq erzrzore, cevpr vf ab oneevre."
Ur fzvyrq nf fur fuhg qbja gur yvax.
"Ynefra," fur fnvq cvpxvat hc gur cncre,"Svaq zr guvf Ynen
Pebsg, jr'er fraqvat ure gb Creh."
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Ybaqba.
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Abg whfg nalbar pbhyq trg vagb gur pyho gung Ynen nccebnpurq,
vg jnf cebonoyl gur zbfg rkpyhfvir va nyy bs Ratynaq - ohg fur unq ab
ceboyrzf.
"Zf. Pebsg, vg'f n cyrnfher," fnvq gur uhtryl zhfpyrobhaq
obhapre, uvf fxva jnf n zntavsvprag oebamr, Ynen unq nyjnlf jbaqrerq
vs vg jnf n gna be uvf angheny fxva pbybe. Ur unq ab unve ba uvf urnq,
vapyhqvat rlroebjf naq fur unq ab vqrn ubj byq ur jnf, ohg ur frrzrq
trahvaryl cyrnfrq gb frr ure naq fur fzvyrq va erghea.
"Gunax lbh Oneel," fur fnvq,"Tbbq pebjq gbavtug?"
"Gryy gur gehgu, n ybg bs crbcyr unir yrsg," ur ybbxrq nebhaq
gb znxr fher ab bar ryfr pbhyq urne uvz - abg yvxryl, gur fgerrgf
jrer znvayl qrfregrq va gurfr ynfg qnlf bs Jvagre jura gur jvaq frrzrq
gb oybj gur uneqrfg, rirelbar jnf va n cho, pyho be ng ubzr - gura
juvfcrerq vagb ure rne,"Gur Oebguref ner urer gbavtug."
Fur abqqrq nf pbzcerurafvba qnjarq ba ure,"Bu! Gurz."
Ur fzvyrq naq bcrarq gur qbbe sbe ure naq fur fgrccrq va,
arneyl trggvat synggrarq ol gur fhqqra ebne bs zhfvp gung jnf qrnqrarq
ol gur fbhaqcebbs jnyyf sbe nalbar bhgfvqr.
Frireny crbcyr terrgrq ure nf fur znqr ure jnl guebhtu fbzr
bs gur qnapref - nyy bs gurz pryroevgvrf be gur puvyqera bs jrnygul
Ybeqf - yvxr fur unq bapr orra.
- Fgvyy nz," fur gubhtug gb urefrys jvgu n fzvyr, - Hayrff
Qnqql'f nygrerq gur jvyy, vg'f whfg V pna trg va urer ba zl bja
zrevgf abj. -
Fvggvat qbja ng gur one fur beqrerq n tva naq gbavp, naq
gheavat nobhg gb qevax vg fur fnj jvgu fbzr pbafgreangvba gung gur
byqre bs gur oebguref jnf nccebnpuvat ure.
"Uryyb gurer," ur fnvq, gnxvat gur frng arkg gb ure,"V'q
yvxr gb funt lbh."
"Url," fur ercyvrq jvgu n fjrrg fzvyr,"Fvapr lbh frrz gb or
fb va ybir jvgu lbhefrys, jul qba'g lbh tb funt lbhefrys."
Uvf rlrf jvqrarq va fhecevfr, gura ur tevaarq va jung jnf
fhccbfrq gb or n fyl znaare,"Lbh xabj jub V nz?"
"N jnaxre?"
Ur tebjyrq yvtugyl,"Gurer ner zvyyvbaf bs oveqf nebhaq gur
jbeyq jub jbhyq xvyy sbe n punapr gb unir frk jvgu zr."
"Yrnir gur cbbe yvggyr oveqf nybar, whfg orpnhfr lbhe qvpx
vf bayl ovt rabhtu gb shpx n fcneebj qbrfa'g zrna lbh unir gb gnxr
vg bhg ba gurz."
"Lbh shpxvat varssrpghny yvggyr juber!" ur lryyrq, uvf ibvpr
envfvat jvgu rnpu jbeq,"V'z n shpxvat zhfvp fgne! Zl onaq vf gur
ovttrfg shpxvat guvat fvapr gur shpxvat Orngyrf! Jr'er shpxvat ovttre
guna gur shpxvat Orngyrf!"
"Gb gryy gur gehgu," fur fnvq jvgu gung fnzr fjrrg fzvyr,"V'q
engure fperj Wbua Yraaba guna lbh, naq ur'f qrnq."
Uvf snpr jnf tebjvat erqqre naq erqqre, vg znqr n avpr punatr
sebz gur ubeevq cnyyvq pbzcyrkvba ur abeznyyl unq, ohg whfg znqr uvf
ubeevoyr unve naq onq grrgu ybbx jbefr.
"Url oeb, jung'f tbvat ba?" nfxrq gur lbhatre oebgure,
abgvpvat gung n ybg bs crbcyr jrer ybbxvat uvf oebguref jnl.
"Shpx bss," ur tebjyrq,"V shpxvat ungr lbh, V shpxvat ungr
guvf ovgpu urer, V ungr gur shpxvat Fcvpr Tveyf naq V ungr zl
shpxvat snaf! Gur bayl crefba urer jub ernyyl qrfreirf zl shpxvat
erfcrpg vf shpxvat zr!"
"Shpxvat N," zhezherq Ynen,"Lbh'ir tbg gb erfcrpg nalbar
jub'q ybjre gurzfryirf gb tvivat lbh n cvgl shpx."
"GUNG'F ABG JUNG V SHPXVAT ZRNAG!!!!" fpernzrq gur ebpx
fgne,"SHPXVAT.......!!!!"
"Pbzr ba oeb," zhggrerq uvf oebgure,"Yrg'f tb ubzr."
"V qba'g shpxvat jnaan tb ubzr......"
Nf gur gjb oebguref znqr gurve jnl bhg bs gur pyho, gur
lbhatre pnfg na ncbybtrgvp ybbx onpx ng Ynen, jub envfrq ure tva naq
gbavp naq fzvyrq va pbzzvfrengvba.
Jvguva svir zvahgrf guvatf jrer onpx gb abezny, naq Ynen jnf
svavfurq ure frpbaq tva, ernql gb tb hc naq qnapr jura fur fnj va gur
pbeare bs ure rlr fbzrbar fvggvat arkg gb ure.
"Pbatenghyngvbaf," fnvq n serapu npprag,"Lbh unaqyrq gung
cevpx dhvgr avpryl."
"Gung'f cebonoyl gur jbefg pbzr ba yvar V'ir rire urneq," fur
ercyvrq, gheavat nobhg naq svaqvat urefrys ybbxvat ng n fgrerbglcvpny
Serapu ynqvrf zna. Ur jnf hafunira jvgu fglyvfu oynpx unve gung pnzr
qbja gb whfg nobir uvf arpx, ur jber n checyr wnpxrg naq oynpx g-fuveg
jvgu wrnaf - fur qvqa'g xabj jub ur jnf be ubj ur'q tbggra vagb gur
pyho.
"Nuuu, V frr, 'unaqyr gur cevpx' naq nyy gung, V ncbybtvmr vs
V unir bssraqrq, yrg zr ohl lbh n qevax."
Fur abqqrq fyvtugyl, - jung gur uryy, - fur gubhtug, - bar
qevax pna'g uheg. -
"Lbh ner Ynen Pebsg," ur fnvq jvgu n teva,"V fnj lbh va gur
cncre lrfgreqnl."
"V'z unccl sbe lbh," fur ercyvrq,"Vs lbh'er sebz Cynlobl be
Cragubhfr gura gur nafjre vf fgvyy ab."
Ur ynhturq,"Nuuu, ntnva lbh unir tbggra gur jebat raq bs gur
fgvpx," ur cnhfrq,"V ubcr V unir abg bssraqrq lbh ntnva va nal jnl
jvgu gung erznex. Va guvf qnl naq ntr vg orpbzrf uneqre naq uneqre
gb or cresrpgyl cbyvgvpnyyl pbeerpg," ur fvturq nf vs sebz ybat
fhssrevat,"Yrg hf fgneg ntnva," ur rkgraqrq uvf unaq,"Zl anzr vf
Cvreer QhCbag, naq V unir n cebcbfvgvba sbe lbh."
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Ur jnfa'g hfrq gb zrrgvat zra ovttre guna uvz, ohg guvf
Oneel jnf, naq vg haareirq uvz fyvtugyl.
"Yvfgra, V unir gb trg va gurer gb gnyx jvgu Cvreer QhCbag,
vs lbh'yy whfg yrg zr guebhtu...." ur fgnegrq sbejneq, ohg bar uhtr
nez pnzr bhg naq fgbccrq uvz.
"Hayrff lbh'er ba gur thrfg yvfg," ercyvrq Oneel,"Lbh znl
abg ragre."
"V ercerfrag Wndhryvar Angyn," ur fnvq cngvragyl,"Naq..."
"Zf. Angyn vfa'g ba guvf yvfg rvgure," Oneel fnvq, hazbirq
ol gur anzr bs bar bs gur jbeyq'f evpurfg jbzra,"Naq hagvy bar bs
lbh vf, lbh pna'g pbzr va urer."
Ur urfvgngrq sbe n srj frpbaqf naq gura ghearq nobhg, jnyxvat
qbja gur fgerrg jvgu uvf nezf ohevrq va uvf gerapu pbng zhggrevat gb
uvzfrys. Gurer jbhyq or nabgure gvzr gb pbagnpg QhCbag, ur gubhtug,
naq qrsvavgryl nabgure gvzr gb grnpu gur Obhapre n yvggyr yrffba va
erfcrpg.
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Yngre gung avtug Ynen ynl erfgyrff va orq, guvaxvat bire
Cvreer'f cebcbfny.
- Vg'f fbhaqf terng, - fur gubhtug gb urefrys, - Ohg gung'f
jung'f obgurevat zr, gurer qbrfa'g frrz gb or n qbjafvqr... vg'f gbb
cresrpg. -
Cvreer unq gbyq ure nobhg n pbagnpg bs uvf ng gur Pnveb
Zhfrhz bs Angheny Uvfgbel jub jnf cneg bs na nepurbybtvpny qvt jvgu
gur pryroengrq Cebsrffbe Serqrevpx Tbyfun. Gurl unq pbzr npebff jung gurl
oryvrirq gb or na napvrag gbzo bs na haxabja Cunebnu, ohg jrer
univat gebhoyr npprffvat vg qhr gb n ynetr ahzore bs vatravbhf obbol
gencf. Gur Cebs. arrqrq uryc gb trg vagb gur gbzo, naq jnf ybbxvat
sbe n 'gbzoenvqre' pyrire rabhtu gb qb vg.
- V'ir arire frra n gbzo V pbhyqa'g trg vagb, - Ynen gubhtug
gb urefrys, - Naq gur nqqrq choyvp rkcbfher jvyy uryc zl obbxf fryy
rira orggre... ohg jul vf Cvreer nfxvat sbe zl uryc, fheryl ur'f
pncnoyr bs qbvat n wbo yvxr guvf uvzfrys? -
Fur gubhtug nobhg Cvreer sbe n srj frpbaqf, ur jnf xvaq bs
phgr - sbe n Serapuzna - naq fur vqyl jbaqrerq jung vg jbhyq or yvxr
gb unir frk jvgu uvz. Jbhyq ur or bar bs gubfr neebtnag zra jub
pyvzorq ba gbc bs lbh, guehfg n pbhcyr bs gvzrf, tehagrq naq sryy
nfyrrc? Be jbhyq ur or n pnevat, tragyr ybire?
Nyzbfg jvgubhg ernyvmvat vg fur unq ybjrerq ure nezf qbja ure
anxrq sbez bagb ure tvtnagvp oernfgf. Ure svatref ehoovat ure avccyrf
naq oevatvat gurz gb na nyy gbb snzvyvne uneqarff. Nf unq orra gur
pnfr sbe gur ynfg gjb lrnef abj, fur eryvrq ba ure bja unaqf gb
oevat ure bss. Ure unaqf - yvtugyl ynlrerq va crefcvengvba - tyvqrq
qbja cnfg ure fyvz jnvfg gb gur arngyl gevzzrq chffl unve orybj. Fur
pbagvahrq qbja orgjrra ure yrtf naq yvsgrq ure uvcf hc, phccvat ure
svez, ebhaq nffpurrxf.
Ynen fvturq unys va ybatvat, unys va pbagragzrag nf ure unaqf
zbirq onpx hc ntnvafg ure svez phagzbhaq.
- Gjb lrnef fvapr V tbg ynvq, - fur gubhtug nf ure svatref
cynlrq orgjrra ure phagyvcf, - Qnza vs V arneyl qvqa'g gnxr gung
gbffre ng gur pyho hc ba uvf bssre! -
Nf ure zvaq ena bire ure ceboyrzf gur gvcf bs ure svatref
ena onpx hc ure fgbznpu - pnhfvat n guevyy bs cyrnfher gb eha guebhtu
ure obql - naq fur ena gurz va yvggyr pvepyrf nebhaq ure rerpg
avccyrf, fraqvat qrcgu punetrf bs frafngvba guebhtubhg ure senzr.
"Trrm, V arrq gb trg ynvq fb onq," fur zbnarq nf ure svatref
bapr ntnva ena onpx qbja ure obql gb ure chffl, juvpu jnf pelvat sbe
nggragvba.
Hfvat ure vaqrk naq zvqqyr svatre, Ynen cnegrq ure intvany
yvcf, juvyr fur fyvq ure guhzo qbja naq cerffrq gur xahpxyr ntnvafg
ure pyvgbevf, juvpu jnf nyernql orpbzvat rerpg. Fur zbnarq va
rkpvgrzrag nf fur sryg gung snzvyvne gvatyr fcernqvat sebz ure chffl
naq bhg bire ure ragver obql.
Ure zvqqyr svatre fyvq hc vaorgjrra ure chfflyvcf, fyvqvat va
naq bhg bs ure jrg fangpu, gura fyvq n frpbaq naq nsgre gung n guveq,
fyvqvat gur guerr svatref va naq bhg bs ure chffl snfgre naq snfgre.
- Vzzz lrnu, vg'f abg n pbpx ohg vg'yy qb gur gevpx! -
Abj Ynen'f svatref jrer chzcvat va naq bhg orgjrra ure yrtf,
gur sevpgvba pnhfvat n fgrnqvyl tebjvat jnir bs cyrnfher gb ohvyq
hc orgjrra ure yrtf. Fur jbhyq pbzr fbba, naq fur fzvexrq fyvtugyl
ng gur vebal. Jura fur unq orra trggvat ynvq ure ybire unqa'g orra
noyr gb shpx ure sbe ybat rabhtu gb shysvyy ure, ohg abj ure svatref
arire snvyrq gb trg ure bss jvguva n srj zvahgrf.
Ure obql gerzberq va rpfgnfl nf fur sryg ure betnfz
nccebnpuvat, fur qrfcrengryl gevrq gb ubyq bs gur svany zbzrag bs
pyvznk nf ybat nf fur pbhyq. Gur evfvat perfpraqb bs cyrnfher jnf
arneyl nf tbbq nf gur hygvzngr zbzrag bs betnfz vgfrys.
"Lrf! Lrf! LRF! LRRRFFFFFFFFF!!!!!," fur fpernzrq ybhqre naq
ybhqre, abg pnevat jub urneq ure, eriryvat va ure betnfz, ure whvprf
rkcybqvat bhg bire ure svatref naq bagb gur furrgf, cbbyvat hc
nebhaq ure svez nffpurrxf. Fur chfurq ure uvcf hc vagb ure unaq,
ohelvat ure svatref nf qrrcyl vagb ure thfuvat chffl nf fur pbhyq,
srryvat ure phagyvcf pynzc nebhaq ure svatref.
Ng ynfg fur pbyyncfrq, ure obql n cnagvat, fjrngvat cvyr
bs syrfu.
- Abj gung'f jung V pnyy n shpx! - fur gubhtug, gelvat gb
or raguhfvnfgvp, ohg fur pbhyqa'g sbby urefrys, fur arrqrq gb srry
n pbpx vafvqr bs ure ntnva. N erny, uneq qvpx shpxvat ure phag,
rira ure ivoengbef pbhyqa'g tvir ure gur fnzr srryvat.
"V'z gbb shpxvat ubeal sbe zl bja tbbq," fur zhggrerq bhg
ybhq,"V arrq gb trg zl zvaq bs guvatf."
Ebyyvat bire, naq rira abj fur pbhyqa'g uryc ohg purpx bhg
ure ornhgvshy nff va gur zveebe ntnvafg gur sne fvqr bs gur ebbz,
fur fpbbcrq hc gur pneq Cvreer unq tvira ure, gura cvpxrq hc gur
cubar.
Ur nafjrerq ba gur sbhegu evat, fbhaqvat gverq naq
qvfbevragngrq.
"Bhv?" ur nfxrq.
"Cvreer, guvf vf Ynen, pbhag zr va."
Ur qvqa'g nafjre sbe n pbhcyr bs frpbaqf, jura ur qvq ur
fbhaqrq yvxr n zna qrfcrengryl gelvat gb uvqr uvf rkpvgrzrag.
"Terng, zrrg zr ng Urnguebj gbzbeebj ng 11, V nyernql
oebhtug lbhe gvpxrg."
Fur uhat hc jvgubhg nafjrevat, ohg n fznyy fzvyr cynlrq
npebff ure yvcf.
"Pbasvqrapr, V yvxr gung va n zna!"
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Urnguebj - Gur Arkg Qnl.
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Fur jnf qerffrq hc va pbzsbegnoyr, jnez pybgurf naq
Cvreer nyzbfg qvqa'g erpbtavmr ure, ur jnf qerffrq gur fnzr nf
ur unq orra ng gur pyho ynfg avtug, ohg jura ur qvq frr ure naq
jnyxrq bire gb ure fur pbhyq fgvyy fzryy gur fbnc ba uvz.
- Znlor ur'f tbg n ybg bs gur fnzr pybgurf? Be creuncf ur
whfg jnfurf gurz rirel avtug? -
Fur phg bss ure zhfvatf naq cbvagrq gb n gebyyrl gung uryq
ure yhttntr.
"Trg gung jbhyq lbh?"
Cvreer sebjarq, gura chg ba n fzvyr.
"Ohg bs pbhefr, V nz unccl gb pneel lbhe yhttntr nebhaq
sbe lbh... creuncf lbh zvtug rira tvir zr n craal naq V pna
cbyvfu lbhe obbgf?"
"Shaal Cvreer, vs lbh pna'g unaqyr vg V'yy gnxr pner bs
vg."
Cvreer ebyyrq uvf rlrf naq jnyxrq gb gur gebyyrl, chfuvat
sbejneq cnfg ure.
"Sbyybj zr," ur fnvq, naq nqqrq haqre uvf oerngu,"Hayrff
lbh'q yvxr zr gb pneel lbh gbb?"
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"V qba'g xabj jung ryfr V'q rkcrpg sebz n zna jubfr
pbhagel ebyyrq bire ba vg'f onpx sbe gur Anmv'f va Jbeyq Jne
VV!" Ynen fanccrq na ubhe yngre nf gurve cynar znqr vg'f jnl
gbjneqf Rltcg.
"Bu gung'f svar, lbh xabj gur bayl ernfba gur Trezna'f
qvqa'g pbzr nsgre lbh vf orpnhfr ab bar pnerf nobhg lbhe cngurgvp
yvggyr vfynaq! Naq orfvqrf, gur Nzrevpna'f fnirq lbhe nff!"
"V pna'g oryvrir V nterrq gb pbzr ba guvf gevc jvgu
lbh, V pna gryy lbh'er gbgnyyl hacebsrffvbany!" fur lryyrq ng
uvz.
"ZR?" ercyvrq Cvreer va zbpx fubpx, yvsgvat bar nez
gb uvf purfg,"V'z abg gur bar jub oebhtug nybat Irefnpr'f Fcevat
Yvar sbe n jrrxf jbex!"
N fgrjneqrff neevirq naq ybbxrq qbja ng gurz qvfnccebivatyl,
Ynen naq Cvreer obgu ybbxrq hc ng ure va veevgngvba.
"JUNG?"
Fur fvturq,"Fve, Zn'nz, Jr'ir bayl orra va gur nve sbe gra
zvahgrf naq lbhe qvfgheovat gur bgure cnffratref, jbhyq lbh
cyrnfr pbageby lbhefryirf?"
Ynen zhggrerq na bofpravgl, pebffrq ure nezf haqre ure
tvnag oernfgf naq crrerq fgenvtug nurnq, Cvreer qvq gur fnzr naq
gur Fgrjneqrff jrag ba ure jnl, n fznyy fzvyr ba ure snpr.
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Unys Na Ubhe Yngre.
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Cvreer chyyrq gur qbbe fuhg.
"Jr fubhyqa'g or qbvat guvf," juvfcrerq Yvfn, gur
Fgrjneqrff jub bayl unys na ubhe ntb unq orengrq uvz naq Ynen.
Rira nf fur fcbxr fur jnf haohggbavat ure gbc.
"Fbzrgvzrf," fnvq Cvreer jvgu n teva,"Gur ehyrf, gurl
ner znqr sbe gur oernxvat, ab?"
"Bhv," fur fnvq jvgu n yvggyr tvttyr, qebccvat ure
gbc naq erirnyvat ynetr oernfgf uryq va n erq, ynpl oen.
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- Gung zna vf fb vashevngvat! - shzrq Ynen gb urefrys,
jnvgvat sbe uvz gb pbzr onpx sebz - nf ur chg vg - 'angherf pnyy.'
Nsgre gur cynar unq gnxra bss fur unq nggrzcgrq gb znxr
fbzr cyrnfnag fznyy gnyx, ohg fur unq fbba qvfpbirerq gung Cvreer
unq abguvat inyvq gb fnl. Ur jnf gur zbfg frkvfg, vtabenag...
Serapuzna! fur unq rire zrg.
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The dell Poweredge, Optiplex Prcision and Latitude are all dell designed boards.( They are designed in house.) It looks like they are very technological..though they do not talk about it much...
The company that I work for sell them the CAD softawre..they do a huge amount of design work
No need to try to read the rot13 post. The contents were
was pure spam.
You think these people have the interests of Linux users in mind?
Most likely not, but the same can be said for most of us present here in this earth. During my many years in the Linux world, I have had the good consolation of knowing, however, that VA Research is actively contributing to many Linux projects. Their contributions are prominent
and ubiquitous, this I know, and are more plentiful than the few that Mr. Buck in his humbleness indicated. I am sure, if he had posted a
complete list of VA's generosity, he would have treated us to a very long read.
Though I find no objection when you say that some of their products are not aimed for persons like myself
who several months tried to purchase a new laptop for less than $1100, others have posted that they have a good business relations with them.
Would you next time be willing to post against them with greater caution? You do have listeners who are of the same mind
with you, but I hope next time you also be as exact as you can.
PS. Thank you VA for also hosting FSF.
it's great to see that it'll be a web-page ordering option soon. it is possible already to get systems with linux pre-installed from dell..they just don't advertise it..
i know that a dept. at the local university put in an order for 50 machines from dell with linux pre-installed and got em no problem.
The wonderful thing about linux is that it is open. This is what has given us such performance, stability, and configurabilty. Why would we want to turn this over to a company devoted to a UNIFORM interface for a PROPRIETARY OS on PROPRIETARY hardware!! From the Free Software/Open Source worldview, this seems even more evil than the MS Empire!
Hmm.. my dell has an Intel MB...
The ram is standard 168pin SDRAM
The videocard (Riva TNT) works great!
First: I really like Linux, running it at home and at work (and being the onely one sofar in both places).
But: Linux is not ready for this yet (Oops, I already can imagine the comments on this). Why? Simply because linux is not linux. You have redhat, debian, suse, slack, etc etc. each with their little preferences about where to put the files, how to put them there, what desktop to use, what libc, what kernel. It is not at all transparant to the end user, and even with GNOME, KDE or whatever desktop installed on it, it isn't nearly as simple to use as a MS or MacOS or whatever else computer. It's fun, but it doesn't have any use for let's say my mom, who would immediately panic when seeing linux on her computer instead of MS.
So: It's not simple to use yet and there's no clear consensus about what a linux distro should look like. Actually, I would prefer the "no OS" option and something off the price.
Wim
...because Dells cannot boot from a CD (at least my OptiPlex cannot), and the sysman and I were too lazy to go find a PC or a Sun with a floppy drive to create a bootable floppy, so we had to go ahead with the half pre-installed Window$: that took 1 hour and 4 reboots before it got to a point stable enough to boot linux (and it wasn't working yet). Then reformat the hard drive, reboot, reformat again ('cause we did something stupid), reboot again, and finally install linux.
And this must have been the 20th machine I install linux on... (why can't an OptiPlex boot from CD?!?!?)
yep, let's not become corporate bastards shall we
;-)
Well, maybe not $0.00, but no more than $50
Well, maybe not $0.00, but no more than $50
especiallt if that includes Linuxcare support.
people who can't use linux deserve to die!
i suppose you want cretinous untermenschen to
run the world? you're just like hitler.
the earth would be entirely free of problems if the
subhuman vegetable level moronic lusers who use
non linux operating systems were all instantly
burned to a crisp by my trusty bfg9000
and your little dog, too!
bring me the head of alfredo garcia.
ps this is a joke (or an insane rant at 2am)
nice sense of humor
but in a sense you're a bit right. let's be an elite group and thereby helplinux in dying without fulfilling it's (or is it her) promise.
duh
;-) wim
cat /dev/hda1 > /dev/hda2
Bzzt!
I know better than to buy a winmodem you chump!
.But nothing beats our DELL systems..
You sound like a walking billboard too...
If you don't think selling winmodems merits a
little note of caution, than you need to
pull your head out of your ass.
I'm sure Dell is a good company but winmodems
have caused(and will cause)grief for folks
wanting to run Linux or any other non-crappy OS.
If you still disagree...cry me a river.
well my Insperion 7000 with an ATI card works
wonderfully with Linux - I'd never go back to
win9X
ATI cards do work and there are drivers out there,
but hopefully this Dell announcement will put
some pressure on ATI to better support their cards
(if they still want Dell to still buy from them)
I don't think there are any cards that are that 'designed for Win95' (after all ALL the Macs ship
with the self-same ATI chips in them) - they just
don't release Linux drivers and are missing out
on an emerging market
The Tech probably was reading something off a screen, you can't expect every Tech at any company to know everything about every product they ship. The kicker here is that Tech knew where to look to get the info you needed, where as you did not know and that all that matters. If you call in and the Tech just reads a man page to you, then maybe you should have read the man page before calling in.
Love Dells, cloned beautifully. It is so easy to clone Hard disk images too.
Linux will become a rage item/megatrend, so may as hop on now. The customer has a choice - Linux, Windows or BOTH, with both costing no more. Know what I would order. The customer will FEEL he got a better/smarter deal. A win/win arrangement (but not for MS).
Thereagain, I could be full of shit. Maybe MS is cheap - if EXCLUSIVE OS. If so that trust case should know about this.
Put out a dual boot DELL, with staroffice + gimp precanned, and widdows for the other.
Why bother. Mr office manager will see he does not need orriface 2000, and his kids can still play games just fine.
Then the NEXT time he makes a management decision, he will probably order a load of DELL's.
My interpretation is spend an extra marginal $20 on an exta gig (linux partition), and save $1000 on tacky office add -ons.
I am pissed, because work has a 'standard MS' desktop, and dual boot is considered 'difficult'. Its enough to make me 'quit'. Treat linux as another 'game' . Hell in a few years, a six year old will be chastising daddy for still using the dummies operating system.
Linux is nicest because it reminds all of us who started back before Windows what it was like to be the only one on the block who could use a computer. It's NOT user friendly, and let's face it, we like that!
Not to say that it will always be that way. Linux will be user friendly. But at least with Linux we always have the option getting inside of it, and making it better.
I run NT at work and the drive sounds like a pop corn popper. Every time you move the mouse the drive churns. I couldn't imagine that Linux, which I use at home, is especially hard on drives. Is this the common experience? I use Western Digital drives BTW.
Are you crazy? They have 3 yr. warranties on their machines (which cost you, the user, nothing). For the first year, they'll send someone to your residence to fix it. The last two years, they'll send you the part AND comprehensive instructions to replace it. Plus, the fact that they *do* use industry-standard parts is a bonus - have you ever looked inside a Packard Bell machine? You can even use the Dimension cases for standard ATX boards.. (not sure about Optiplex, never used one before).
Get a brain, you clueless fool. Dell makes some of the best PCs in the industry, and that's why they're #1.
Rich
IBM used to have all of their machines duel boot Windows 3.1 and OS/2 3.0. All-in-all it was just more make-work for desktop techs to delete the OS/2 stuff where I worked. (These were $5000 ThinkPads, not home user stuff.)
Most customers would not be happy if only half of their 18 Gig hard drive was available because the other half was ext2.
I could see a situation where the customer finds a Redhat CD in every computer box, along with all of the other freebee stuff.
Dells come with Intel motherboards since Intel squeezed Micronics out of the market for big companies like Dell, Gateway etc. And most of their machines use standard SDRAM nowadays, with Riva or TNT motherboards-you must have been away from an actual Dell machine for a long time.
Actually it is the small mom and pop shops that will use the "el-cheapo" motherboards for cost concerns.
The newer Optis can indeed boot from CD. I'd try a BIOS update...
Rich
I bought my Linux machine from a local store that also sells nationwide. They have been building quality linux and FreeBSD machines quietly for some years now (Amazon.com's IMDB runs entirely on their hardware). On their web page at www.cgallery.com they have many more options than the Pengiun, VA or Dell. Count me as one satisfied customer, I hope other people look around hard enough to find this company.
Well, if you tried
/dev/hda >/dev/hdb
cat
it would work. The other would not.
Besides, the disks need to be the
same size.
Please don't compare the BeOS to NT or MacOS whatever. It's not the same. It's not intended to be. It's not even multiuser at this time. Please. I really like to play on it, and I really hope it stays around a while. People (and the media, I've noticed) keep trying to compare it to other OS's as if it were a valid alternative. It just isn't! Be doesn't even want it to be an alternative (or so they say). The more the name gets dropped, the more people are going to notice it and want to try it, then the more they'll bitch about it when it doesn't support this or that or the other, and the more the opinion will spread that it's not any good. The BeOS is really really cool for certain things, and not intended at all to do other things. I consider it to be almost more of an integrated os/application as opposed to an OS. If I were to bitch that vi made a shitty http server, people would think I was nuts, right? Apples and Oranges, man.
...oops..ranting again...so sorry)>
Oof. Sorry. Bit of a rant. Anyway, the main point is: Please don't refer to the BeOS unless it really should be included in the comparison (like how its journalled file system is so fucking cool, or the API is pretty damn clean, or how the UI is cool as shit (better than a Mac, IMHO), or how they keep improving POSIX compliancy, or how it sucks that it's not open source, or that the hardware support is severly lacking, or
All of the Optiplex models I've used will boot from CD.
Wow. Winmodem only? When do they plan on shipping
with Linux, 3/17/1999...?
I can picture people running back and forth
really fast at dell right now..:)
It's probably better to use dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb as opposed to cat /dev/hda >/dev/hdb.
Also if you can do this in 15 minutes either you have a very fast disk system or quite small disks.
Maybe we'll get a nifty winmodem-driver for
linux outa the deal.
Personally, I'll never buy a prefab box
from anybody, no no no. I've got better things
to do with the $1,000 or so prefab tax.
VA sells the SC450NX (developed by Intel)
Intel now has a stake in VA
Ergo, the support will be 'tier 1' for Linux on this machine.
Since almost any OEM can resell the SC450NX, it's Linux support from almost any other vendor should be almost as good.
Oh, and I tend not to favor management software from hardware vendors. It only makes sense if you tie yourself to one company. Again, you can get the SC450NX from almost anybody.
I tried last year to buy a dell for a server, you know 2 processors with 4 upgradability, 50 gig raid, 1G ram and so forth.
They told me that no way would they warranty it with linux on it.
They can KISS MY ASS.
Anyway I got a decent server from a kewl vendor...
and their linux support is awesome (no names in order to help boost all linux hardware vendors and avoid too much flamage)
1. I quoted a system I bought a week ago, and I paid 175 less for it (some motherboard, ram, video and all, I paid 725, they quoted 998.
Sunset has a 30 day return, and a 90 day warranty... and you pay return shipment both ways!
The place I got mine has a 1 year warranty and 30 day return, and they pay shipment back to me. They do not support linux, but they do not care if I install it...in fact they installed it for me with no tech support, which is probably all sunset does.
Pay careful attention to deals
Or you are a brainless nitwit...apple is a piece of crap, and mac os is slow and lame...oh yea I want it. I want apple to die
It is not proprietary, its ecc, get a grip. Just order the right damn memory...
There are many types of dimms, and they are keyed slightly different on the middle to not fit where they do not belong...so dont force them in! Some will fit but just dont work...suspect wrong type.
DRAM EDO (usually 60-70ns, and can come with and without parity, and the parity can be true or can be ttl, ttl is faked parity)
DRAM EDO ECC (parity is ecc type as apposed to ttl or true, usually used in high end systems...suspect this is what you have...my Dual Pent Pro Intel PR440FX motherboard has this, and it is hard to get unless you ask CORRECTLY, in fact I had to send memory back twice) This is like 50-60ns.
SDRAM (can be true parity or no parity again) 7-10ns normally
SDRAM ECC (GUESS...right! its ecc parity again, high end server ram kinda stuff, cept in sdram) 5-10ns again.
Now go guy some memory...
... with 4 processors, RAID, and >1 GB RAM?
s@stadtbuch.de
1) Come on people, you say that Linux will kill windows? Well, not if its user friendly (which it isn't for real newbies). Hell, I'm a computer geek and it still gives me some probs.
;) Next, that GUI has got to boot up, and not just bring the user to a command prompt.
2) All the distros have GOT to go. Everything needs to be compatible with everything else, which it most definately isn't right now. Each distro likes things a certain way, a certain place, etc., etc.
So what are we supposed to do? Well...I say let Linus pick a group to actually put the thing together. Hell, he built the thing.
3) Desktop environments...we've got enlightenment, fvwm, KDE, and I think I could go on forever. Well, just so that things will work the same (AND WORK TOGETHER) ppl need to be using the same thing. HOWEVER, remember that these things can be customized up the ass, so I don't think its gonna bring the world to its knees.
4) Two kinds--user friendly and geek friendly. For the ppl who scream when they see the things that go on during boot up (my god, the horror of what it says!) the thing needs to be simplified. No, you don't have to put up a fancy (more like ugly-ass) picture like windows does, but just a nice Loading Linux....(where the dots keep going out
5) Drivers, settings, etc. Well, you can't expect a new user to go use vi and edit those files, now can you? Thats right, we'll have to have prompts, etc. and places where you can select to install a coponent.
6) Support for Linux. I believe that if things that I have mentioned above actually get completed, companies will write drivers for it. Why? Everything is now the same on each computer. Maybe not the same hardware, but they can be guranteed that the gui, etc. and the way it runs will be the same, and that one driver should work on every machine.
Ok, timed for me go get flamed up the ass.
Is it just me, or did a whole day's worth of articles dissapear? I've checked my cache for problems and everything... could it be because of the move to the new server, or am I just high?
Watch how dell will redefine the Linux market..same way they did for windows. For Dell to say anyone can order a Linux from them starting on March 17th (You can get it now, but you have to make a special request..) they must have done about 6 to 7 months of work on Linux. For a long time they have been offering SCO ..so watch what happens
Paul I think you or the rep is mistaken. If you go to the Dell web site and try to configure the cheapest Dell Dimension (With Celeron 333) you can choose different modems. Infact the regulaer 3COM modem is only $49 more in that. But if you try to configure a high end Dimension with win 98, you get the winmodem by default.
I bet when Dell starts shipping Linux boxes, it will have a modem that works..be it winmodem or regular.
Good Luck my friend..This is the same intel that took ages to own up to the Pentium Math bug???
If it had not been for vendors like Dell and Compaq, neither M$ or Intel would be this prosperous...It is your money..Tell us a year down the road how it feels...
Elford,
..it is standard memeory.
Trust me
The lousy Video card you are talking about, infact was a good video controller..S3 Trio64+.
At that time it was a good controller for Windows.
The chipset in that motherboard is Intel VX. The VX chipset is made to cache only 64Mb or RAM. Will not see anything more than that. THis was a screw up by Intel. They made two kinds of chipsets and showed down all the Pentium Motherboards.
The memeory is 4Mbitsx64 = 256Mbits = 32 Mbytes
Pretty standard stuff. But at that time memory manufactures had only EDO , FPM. Later they came with synDRAM. DELL doesnot make its own memeory and since the chipset is Intel, it is standard memeory.
Mind you the newer syncDRAM might not work since they are buffered or unbuffered or it could be with serial presence detector or not..So blame Intel for putting you in what you are in. If you bought any other mother board Tyan, ASUS) at that time..you will be in the same situation..Oh, if you think those brands are good..just go to the news groups and read the posts on all these vendors.!!! BTW, I am using the same system that you have..P133V Dimension..works real good..on all the time since August 95. No failures at all.
One of the best if you are running windows ...
..---GUESS WHAT---...FOR WHAT IT WAS SOLD FOR!!!! (for running windows)
You seem to know not much on windows unlike some of us who use all three..linux, mac and yes..even windows!!!
THE MACHINE WORKS BEAUTIFULLY FOR
When Dell sells a Linux box it will also work beautifully..Watch how they will do it...
Around here we have the five R's (this is SOP for Exchange server problems) Reboot, reinstall, restore (from backup), rebuild, and finally, relocate (to another job, if the first 4 didn't do it.)
:)
I'm anonymous because my employer would fire me for using linux.
The onboard SCSI controller is an Adaptec Ultra 2 LVD controller. The drivers for it were NOT included in the Red Hat 5.1 release, but they are available on the web. I found them by searching Deja News. From the looks of it, RH 5.2 also does not include support for this controller, though I haven't tried.
Good luck, the 2300 is a great box (check out the 2x3 passive backplane for you bandwidth junkies)
As much as I like building my own machines, I'd like to be able to order a machine with Linux preinstalled without paying excessive cost or getting zero support.
Listen up, Dell. I have the money set aside for my new machine. I'm giving you 45 days to make an announcement or I'll buy a machine from VA Research.
BeOS is hardly a "pseudoserver OS", it's never been aimed at server duties. Nor is it based on Unix, though it does have a POSIX compatibility layer.
Umm... And what other current OSes do not have the same problem? I know Windows 95 does, and I think NT and Mac do, too. Haven't used Win98, so I don't know if the problem is there, too.
Place: The Gateway Country Store, over on Calle Real (next to Lucky).
I walk in, admiring the cow-spotted decor, catching the attention of a salesperson.
I tell him. "I want a G6-450, 128 megs RAM, 16G hard drive, 19" monitor, 8 Mb graphics accelerator, DVD-ROM, TV card, etc., etc.--oh, and I'd like Linux preloaded on it, please."
And the salesperson's only response is, "Yes, sir. Which distribution?"
And I grin.
Now, wouldn't that be a great scenario? Who knows, it may actually happen.
Eric
--
Be who you are...and be it in style!
- The GPL is the reason Linux and Free Software are so popular - and work so well. It is not a hindrance any more than the kernel is a hindrance in an operating system. (it's the core of everything)
- Linux is a project. I, and most other people, never want to see it become a product - because products are ruled by money and timelines rather than technical excellence.
- GUI vs CLI, GNOME vs KDE, Mac vs the world. It's all a matter of opinion.
- Multimedia is a POS mainly because there aren't any people willing to release specs. I applaud companies like Matrox who release full specs on their cards. Definitely the only way to go is up.
- I have the funny feeling that MacOS 10 (X?) will turn out to be "just another" pseudoserver OS, kind of like NT and BeOS are. They're all based upon tried-and-true principles (UNIX) but just can't cut it when you compare it with the real thing.
- Linux low-performance? As compared to what?
- Hippy-crowd, eh?
- Hippy licensing?
You're suffering from a severe lack of clue. We (the Free Software community) can't be defeated, and we know no limits. There's no such thing to us. Sure corporations are coming in and saying "gee isnt this swell" but I, and most others, really don't care all that much. We're in it for the challenge and the ride and the fun, and no matter how much corporate tablebanging and stockholder whining goes on, we don't care. We don't have a tickertape symbol and don't want one. Maybe Linux is approaching the end of its 15 minutes of fame. But once it's no longer the media darling we'll still be here, doing what we love, because we know it's the One True Way.When the OEM's get a taste of a low to no cost OS, there may be no stopping them.
:)
When the user's get a taste of what Linux is and can be, they may prefer Linux to Windows - especially with it being preloaded and all.
I do agree that this may play into the hands of Microsoft in the DOJ trial though...
Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
Posted by Mephie:
Heheh, I'm sitting 25 feet away from one of our techs running RH5.2 on a brand new PIII 500.
--Mephie
Posted by Mephie:
You mean the business they lost when Dell signed a 16 billion dollar tech pact with IBM?
Hmmm, can anyone say plans within plans?
--Mephie
PS. Yes, I work at Dell, no this is not official, this is just me own little conspiracy theory.
Posted by Mephie:
A) I hope so,
B) If it is, I'm leaving support, I have enough problems without having shaved apes calling me with Linux questions.
--Mephie
Posted by Mephie:
You should see the new zztop, it allows the end user to make the zz image on the drive. But as to your question, in theory, it could work, we would have to ship a DOS bootable diskette with the system, I honestly cant think of a reason it wouldnt work, we would just have to get more in the image, it would be bigger, but then again, we're shipping 22 gig (IDE) drives.
--Mephie
Posted by Nedwin_H_Longfellow:
Any moron with half a brain (well, any moron who can install Linux at least) is capable of buying his/her own parts and building a desktop several hundred cheaper than a box builder's system. Not only that but you'll be able to carefully select each component for overall quality including Linux support.
Now, as anyone who reads slashdot more than occasionally knows, laptops are the real problem. Why would I pay $4000 for a VA laptop where they even admit on the web page that they can't get sound to work? I can spend $2500 on a comparable laptop from Gateway (even with the M$ tax) and get sound working in under an hour (in addition to everything else). Not only that but I can find reviews of these laptops versus the competition (and they do a good deal better than the NEC junk that VA bases theirs on)...
Linux support is great, but I want to SAVE money not waste it.
Posted by AnnoyingMouseCoward:
I don't know what your smoking dude, but you better stop.
Apple had their chance back in the 1980's and they blew it. Their whole philosophy is based on propriatory lock-in. Once you buy their stuff, you can't buy anything else.
As for the needs of the commercial sector, get a clue dude! Do you have any idea of how much time ( and therefore money ) commercial programmers like myself spend re-writting major chunks of code in application software because of changes ( often undocumented ) at the OS level when the new version comes out?
M$ is notorious for this and Apple isn't much better.
This was one of the main reasons why the Fortune-500 companies dumped IBM back in the late 1980's. In my opinion, we are going the same way with PC's.
Your problem dude is that you can't see the importance of keeping the OS and the applications seperate. Tying them together gives you some short term advantages in terms of performance, but the price of this is a dramatic increase in maintinence overheads.
As for the future, I have very few doubts in that respect. Twenty years from now, Windows and Mac OS will both be gone and forgotten. What's the bet that I'll still be able to get a Linux box when I'm ready to retire?
As for "..Linux needs to be useful to people now..", you obviously don't know much about computers outside of the office environment, do you?
Most large companies have their own IT departments who internally produce software for the company so that it meets managements exact requirements.
This is simply due to the variations in tax laws, payroll, etc, etc, that occurs from one country to another ( and often within different states within the same country ) They don't use anywhere near as much "shrink-wrapped" software as you might think. This is one of the reasons why Apple reached saturation and started to go into decline in the lat 1980's ( before the release of Windows 3.0 ). McIntoshe's closed software model didn't fit the needs of the corporate big-guns.
Likewise for all of your aguments over multi-media. What corporate-manager with half a brain wants their accounting staff watching DVD movies when they are supposed to be keying in customer orders? For that matter, what manager wants internet conectivity so that they can download pornography when they are supposed to be running the end of month consolidation?
All of these capabilities are basically *chrome*. With the exception of companies that have a specific need ( such as graphics design work ), the accounting sections of most large companies don't need these capabilities. They don't more technology for the same ammount of money. They want the same technology for less money.
So like I said dude, whatever your smoking, you'd better stop. Leave the OS to an open *peer* *review* *process* and the *products* to however wants to develop and market them. Putting them together would put us right where we were with IBM back in the 80's and where we are today with M$.
It sure would be nice if we had a choice between Red Hat and Red Hat.
Actually I'm waiting for Stampede. Their packaging system makes the most sense to me. Debian's setup and maintenence didn't appeal to me either.
Hmm...in OS X, the finder is just another application. You can terminate it and use X or KDE or Gnome even. Let Apple do its own thing and Linux develop on its own. Soon the two will be able to run the same apps so it doesnt even make a difference.
Now we're nothing.
It's far easier to forgive your enemy after you get even with him.
Unfortunately Linux is going to have real problems dealing with multimedia unless things change _right now_ about how sound is accessed on Linux. Currently every multimedia app (except things that use esd - which in reality isn't very much) directly accesses the sound card via /dev/dsp - effectively locking out any other app that wants to make a noise. This _has_ to change to a proper driver model where we have real sound drivers and an API for different sound qualities and sound mixing. Christ - my Amiga had those in 1986. And NO esd doesn't cut it - it has to be STANDARD - i.e. part of the kernel. Unfortunately I can't see Linus budging on this issue, which makes me sad.
Matt.
Matt. Want XML + Apache + Stylesheets? Get AxKit.
I was just happy I could pull down the OS selection and pick "none".
Anyone know if the onboard SCSI in the Dell 2300 servers is supported by Linux? Its it a 7880? I wish their site had more info on it.
It looks like we /.ed the DELL configuration server....
Is this an M$-tax-free linux box? ie, will the menu read:
[MS Windows 98 -- $195.00]
[Linux -- $ 0.00]
?
That would turn some heads, eh?
--
As long as each individual is facing the TV tube alone, formal freedom poses no threat to privilege.
"Reactionaries must be deprived of the right to voice their opinions; only the people have that right." - Mao
The internal unit appears to be an Adaptec Ultra-Wide to the system. (We use Linux on one of these boxes as a production WWW server in an Enterprise Class operation that's about to be opened up to the world shortly...)
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Doubt all you want- THIS IS REALLY HAPPENING. I know it for a fact- the delay at this point is retooling the custom, build to order, software installation system they use to allow them to build Linux installs on boxes.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
Rumor has it that it's going to be an option on most of the Business systems and possibly some of the intended for home/SOHO machines as well- you and I aren't going to know until they do start shipping the machines. However, I DO know that they are, in fact, going to be shipping machines- very shortly.
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the State of Texas
I can't beleive anyone took this comment seriously. It is obviously satire. Look at all the sarcasm and humor:
"Linux needs professional programmers" like those of Apple who spent years writing an OS replacement that never got out the door? or those of Microsoft who spent years trying to get NT to be a scaleable OS, and are drowning in their own code?
"Linux needs mindshare" go to CNET and do a search on Apple. Then do a search on Linux. I got 500 for the former and 237 for the latter. Not bad for a hippy OS. A year from now you will see the ratio reversed. Anyone heavly into Macs as production machines knows Apple is a loser company, with loser products and is rapidly sliding into oblivion. So this was obviously a satiric comment.
"MACOSX takes over and transforms the Internet server world" ROTFLPIMP! This HAS to be the funniest line I've read all week. This guy is really funny.
"Apple has the corporate culture"...what an oxymoron. And applying it to Apple yet! (Anyone out there ever try to do business with them...they somehow manage to merge the worst of California laid back culture with Soviet style bureaucracy). Another hilarious line.
"Linux HAS slowed down"...obviously, with the release of 2.2. and not one, but 2 superior GUIs, and all those great GNOME apps in the pipeline and... And did you get that line about Apple having "the perfect GUI, RIGHT in every respect" - another biting satiric comment. I mean who in their RIGHT minds would ever DREAM of wanting multiple desktops that you can switch between instantly (well, you know on the MAC NOTHING is instant, so this feature wouldn't really be very useful), or choice of window managers (you mean I get to THINK for myself?) or a window pager (you mean using the tiny little icon in the corner isn't the best way to switch between apps?) or editable menus, or configurable panels (multiple) or....
I mean, this is satire right? You didn't write this seriously, did you? Nobody could be THAT stupid, not even the most religious Mac fanatic. You ARE joking?
WOW. Not knowing the VA folks personally I can only vouce for them professionally. I bought a VA box for my company about four months ago or so. They were great! I want to do business with them again.
As for their business model, well - yeah, so what?
You think that ~$500 market niche ought to be filled? And you're complaining to someone else about the problem? Either start the business yourself or shut the fuck up!
Linux is user-friendly, it's just not beginner/idiot-friendly. (No, I don't mean Linux newbies are idiots)
/El Niño
I just called to confirm. The Dell rep told me that hardware modems are not an option, they only sell Winmodems.
As I remember from a news.com article, isn't
dell giving out LinuxCare support vouchers. And
having all their support via LinuxCare?
-- dieman - Scott Dier
Although it is a good thing to see major manufacturer bundling Linux, I just can't swallow their stupid ads (seen in Unix Review/Performance Computing) about how Unix was outdated, how lame it is, come on and follow us on the path of NT paradise ...
Honestly, if I buy a machine to run any flavor of Unix, I'll go to a manufacturer who understand and support Unices. And it's not being religious, it's being pragmatic : I would'nt risk ending up unsupported because the wind changed and my OS is not anymore the flavor of the day.
Anyhow, still a good news.
:wq
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The kick ass AMI PERC RAID controller is supported in 2.2.x kernels as well. Dunno about the newer PERC II controller though.
http://windows.scares.us
They have been supporting (to a degree) thier corprate customers using Linux (and Solaris x86) for some time now. I'm not a bit supprised that they have no interest in diving into a pool, that at this current time they probably dont have the skills to swim in.
I've been very impressed with Dell all around and have run Linux on thier 1300s, 2300s, and 6300s. Hell we've got almost 20 of them installed now, with plans for quite a few more.
http://windows.scares.us
I know there are probably downsides to this, but Dell will be smart if they are first...
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YEAH BABY! YEAH!
Lock the elevators on us will yah?
Wow, that's something I never thought I'd see. My life is complete.
I came. I saw. I coded.
Actually, the configurations undergo a rather good testing process. I'm not in a position of authority, but I doubt Dell will ship anything that doesn't pass the same tests, and they'd have to be morons to even attempt the stunt, it's common knowledge that winmodems don't work on Linux, even to Dell.
I came. I saw. I coded.
Was not.
Is not.
Never will be.
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"The Internet interprets censorship as damage,
I spent my money at VAResearch and everything's been just fine, thank you, including a price less than Compaq for the same speed, ram, disk. Substantially less, so I figure it's an NT tax.
Say Mr Dell, are the Linux boxes going to be cheaper, since there's no Bill tax?
Too late! Go get stufft.
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Infuriate left and right
I bought a screamer from them and sevral months later saw a similarly equipped Compaq box, $1500 more expensive. I like them. Don't know what you have against them, but lies like yours don't make your arguments look very real.
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Infuriate left and right
They sell the same speed/quality hardware and I think they are cheaper.
...Linux!
Andrew
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"You never know when some crazed rodent with cold feet might be running loose in your pants."
-Calvin
VA people never had anything to do with the Linux Standards Association scam. As for their free software credentials, try this:
% traceroute www.gnu.org
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5 ds3-h2-0.paix.he.net (204.188.70.2) 7.777 ms 6.134 ms 5.425 ms
6 gw.pa.via.net (209.81.1.2) 6.106 ms 81.857 ms 71.213 ms
7 S1-0-DS3.mtv.via.net (209.81.23.18) 116.607 ms 9.525 ms 9.336 ms
8 va.via.net (140.174.204.44) 11.548 ms 9.226 ms 10.798 ms
9 fsf.varesearch.com (209.81.8.252) 10.413 ms 22.981 ms 19.089 ms
That's right, VA Research provides Internet connectivity for the FSF. HJ Lu, who did so much work on gcc, libc5, and binutils for Linux, works for them.
You should retract your slander immediately. "Anonymous Coward", indeed.
It's true that VA Research is selling high-end boxes, not cheapo low-end boxes. That's because unless you can manufacture and assemble in a third world country, or are a huge company like Dell or Compaq, you can't make money at the low end, and VA Research needs to make money.
Hey Dude,,,chill out yourself. Maybe I'm pissed because my Inspiron 7000 notebook was advertised as having a built in 56k modem, not a built in 56k winmodem. So, imagine my surprise when I found I couldn't use it under Linux. I was pretty upset but by that time it was too late. I saw later changes to their documentation to reflect that it was a winmodem, but when the notebooks first came out this was not known.
So was the spelling "would'nt" intentional??? :).
I will give you credit and assume it was
I would buy from VA Research, but I built my system myself. Anyway, I agree with you that this is a good thing for Tux.
Try any of these :
http://www.aslab.com ( mid to hi end . Much cheaper than Va
) http://www.tcu-inc.com (a little cheaper. make AMD boxes. )
http://www.sunsetsystems.com (low cost)
http://www.sunsetsystems.com
http://www.tcu-inc.com )
Even linux-hw http://linux-hw.com also offer a sub-$1000 model Of course, if businesses like these fall flat, it will not give the other PC vendors much incentive to support linux.
I find it odd that people like you will eagerly buy from the mainsream vendors who are so reluctant to support linux, but refuse to support the people who have been supporting it from day 1.
Some features of your favourite Dell system:
-- Donovan
So ... how well is the 3D on it supported ... ?
it is almost impossible to get more ( and it is expensive )
To their credit, they made the case reasonably "deconstrubtible", only filled one DIMM slot,
and gave me a crappy onboard video card that was nice enough to disable itself
when I put my millenium II in.
But I am not impressed with the silly behaviour of my board which is insisting on special "dell"
ram
About the ma-and-pop-shops
like Va, aslab, etc make it clear what kind of components they are using.
Dell provide no such info
Looks pretty good. LDP keep a list of linux friendly hardware shops. ( http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/products.html#systems ) It's worth ( IMO ) emailing the maintainer of the page ( as I just have ) with links to these places, as many linux users use this list to hunt for linux hardware on the net.
-- Donovan
It wants a 4x64 SDRAM DIMM. ( my receipt says so. I guess this means no parity, and no ecc ? )
... ?
I tried one and it didn't work. ( Maybe it was faulty ? )
Strangely enough, the ads I see for "memory for Dell dimension" advertise it for an arm and a leg ( $99 on pricewatch ). Are you sure this is standard memory (it's a P133v)
to break ranks.
I figured it'd be Emachines, given their favorable refund policy.
I'd have thought Dell would be one of the last!
That crack in the dam just keeps gettin' bigger!
According to this page, you'll be able to get linux preinstalled starting on March 17, saving "you up to 2 hours of loading time." Maybe it takes that long on an Alpha with old firmware...
--"In dreams begin responsibilities" - Delmore Schwartz
Although I'm not very familiar with Dell's product line, I'm sure they sell a bunch of laptop models.
Now, if Dell were to also officially bundle Linux on a bunch of laptops, THAT would make people take notice.
I don't have anything special against Intel or any special desire to ruin Microsoft, but if you read the article, it's pretty clear Michael Dell is completely subservient to both these companies.
Basically, he doesn't want to offer AMD chips because it might not be good for consumers (uh...) and Intel chips are just as cheap (mmm-hmm)
Then, he doesn't want to say anything against Microsoft because he lives and dies by the "Windows rebate".
"Freedom to innovate?!" If bolting IE to an unstable OS is "innovative" we're in for some dark days.
I was pissed when i noticed that my new (work) gateway came with a winmodem. It is owned by work so i guess i just have to deal with it......
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Joshua Curtis
Lancaster Co. Linux Users Group
Well, your threats to spend your $2000 somewhere else are sure to get Dell moving faster.
Such hubris.
I am calculating that Linux will surpass NT in the year to come for anonymous servers that are not workstations (Now, that one was easy to guess since MOST sysadmins want's a free holliday once in a while ...)
send + more == money?
Before anyone decides to head off and worship at the alter of Dell, may I ask them to read about the trouble I've been having with them for the past few weeks ala Windows Refund.
http://www.lonix.org.uk/Articles.html
Martin Brooks / Slayer99 #linux / UIN 2178117
This is good news for Bill. It helps MS to prove
that there is competion and that DOJ's monopoly
accusations are wrong. Damn.
WITH KDE
AND GNOME
AND OTHER GAY SHIT
HAHAHAHHAHHHAH
OWNED.
REDHAT
HOW FUCKING GAY.
ILL JUST KEEP BUYING PARTS AND PUTTING TOGETHER QUALITY MACHINES RUNNING A REAL DISTRIBUTION.
go to http://support.dell.com. they have full specs on all their machines.
every where u look u c rh, every linux var sells rh. Don't get me wrong I use and like rh, but enough is enough.
And i would not buy a pc from dell, there are only a step (and a small one) up from the cockroach that is NEC/Packard Bell.
Woe be on to them, all who rise against poor people, shall perish in a the end. Buju Banton
People don't freak out this is no big deal. I'm sure when they get enough complaints their get a contract for real FaxModems. If we can break down the M$ OEM Monopoly like we're doing, this will be no sweat. The barriers and exclusive contracts we have to get around are nothing compared to what we've just overcome. I also remember them saying they'd NEVER put Linux on a computer, then they'd never put Linux on a desktop. Do you really think their going make this big of a fuss about WinModems>
C'mon, buddy, MacOS is pretty much diametrically opposed to Linux. Have everyone's desk look and feel the same? Remember the old "if OS's were Airlines" joke? (Look at http://www.frogtown.com/lists/funny/0077.html - found this on short notice, sorry) No (or little) customizations? No window manager of your choice? Suuure.
What you're really saying is replace Bill over at M$ with Mr. Jobs. The result will be the same in the end - an arrogant, bloated company with an egomaniacal leader bent on owning the world. You should really stick to your own - go flame Mr Dvorak some more on the PC Mag site.
"Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm." - Anonymous
If you think that Dell is only a step up from Packard-Bell, you have obviously not had to work with them very often.. While it is true that they use lot's of very standard stuff (i.e. Intel board, Adaptec chips, STB video, etc), this is very useful if you buy them for corp.
I have MANY Dell PCs (and Servers, the 4300 is SWEET) in operation within our enterprise. I won't switch.
I found the following quote from the article very interesting: "Microsoft's Windows 2000 is going to come out, and it's not going to run on those $500 computers. And these machines are not going to be used."
Sounds like an opportunity for Linux on the desktop if I ever heard one.
Just a nit here: I think you can add "Precision series", and possibly delete OptiPlex.
Due to annoying purchasing requirements, I "had" to buy a Dell Precision 410 for my first Linux box here. Theoretically, there's still an NT partition on the thing, but in practical reality, it was one of the nicest Linux boxes around in its price/performance range.
King Babar
Babar
Well, "technically" just means that the original factory-installed FAT16 partition with NT on it still exists. So if there were ever any reason to reboot my Linux box, I could "theoretically" boot NT.
And, since only NT is "officially" supported here, that partition will stay there in case I have a hardware problem, and need to show somebody that NT is unhappy about it, too.
King Babar
Babar
It's kind of sad that Dell won't use AMD. After all, they are, for the most part, neighbors down here in Austin. As for offering it as a consumer option, Linux is just too geared towards programmers and hobbyists. When the average american gets home at night, they don't want to think about what they are doing, they want to punch a button and be on the internet.
This does not, however, mean I support microsquash. Because I have to use Win95 at work, and it is a pain in the ass. I think Macs would be perfect for people who want an easy to use proto-information-appliance.
Zagmar