Snowden has revealed US spying against China. He has not revealed spying done by China. Why?
Uuuhh...maybe because China's spying is of little to no concern to him?
More Mexicans have been killed in the current drug war/narco-insurgency than there were Americans killed in Vietnam. Do you think the US might reasonably want to keep an eye on that, especially since the violence bleeds over the border, US-Mexican border areas are dangerous on the US side, and drugs are flooding over the border?
Ok...and how much intel from drug gangs trying to get drugs into the US over the border do you think they're going to get from the Mexican president's personal email? Pretty much squat? Yeah...that's what I thought.
You might also want to consider the many countries in Europe that are both friendly to the US, and harbor Islamic extremists with ties to terrorism. The ringleader of the 9/11 hijackers came from living in Germany, for example.
That's the problem with freedom. People sometimes use it to do nasty things. However, the solution to this isn't to monitor everyone to prevent the nasty things. It's to create a society that, on the whole, people don't want to do nasty things to, and if some whackjob does anyway, find them and prosecute them if they're still alive. Monitoring everybody just because you can falls firmly on the side of making a society that people do, in fact, want to do nasty things to.
There's another reason, which I'm surprised nobody on/. has stated, due to the types of people who should frequent a joint like this.
In the IT industry, analytical personality types are over-represented. This personality type values integrity and competence. It also abhors hypocrisy. Everybody knows taht China and Russia are dirtbags when it comes to human rights. That's not news to anybody who has been awake for more than 5 minutes of the past 2 decades. The US government repeatedly condemns both Russia and China for various human rights abuses, including spying on their own people. The fact that the US government has been doing the exact same thing in secret, is both completely lacking in integrity, and about as hypocritical as you can get.
I'm sure there was at least a little bit of "I'll get this hypocritical bastards!" in Snowden's mind when he released this information, and I wouldn't blame him. But that's why releasing information on China's abuses is irrelevant at this point.
The Chinese government is, by most people's perceptions, an enemy of the US people. There is no reason to expose that the US knows how to break into their networks. The US government is supposed to be, by most people's ideals, the friend of the US people. This was not the case, as has been demonstrated by Snowden's revelations. This needs to change. There is no reason to expose US tactical measures against an enemy government, but there is every reason to expose illegal US tactical measures against the very population of people that that US government is supposed to serve.
On one hand his job was described as a system administrator and.....
I don't think I've ever heard of him describe himself as a system administrator. I've heard NSA & government bigwigs call him that, but they've been spreading FUD about him since day 1, so I'm more likely to believe what he says. He's called himself an infrastructure analyst, and his job was to figure out new ways to break into protected systems.
As long as there are other countries practicing espionage against US interests it would be foolish in the extreme to de-fang their own intelligence services.
So how does that explain why the US needs to collect call information for most, if not all, American citizens? If the NSA wants to target foreign militaries for spying, fine. Enemy foreign governments, sure. That's what they're supposed to be doing. Domestic civilian spying, on the other hand, is inexcusable, even by your logic.
Since ISPs tend to deny inbound connections on consumer-grade plans, chances are the ISP's firewall is sufficient already.
Really? I've been receiving incoming connections on my consumer-grade plan for a decade or more. I've seen plenty of others do the same. In fact, I've never heard of a consumer plan having inbound connections blocked. I've heard of carrier grade NAT, but only in theory. Never seen it actually implemented. What ISPs actually do this?
You have to be specific, because they're right. North American chocolate is crap. Yes, 'excrement mixed with sand' is an exaggeration, but any chocolate made in North America is mediocre at best. The only decent chocolate here is shipped from Europe, and is exhorbitantly priced as a result.
This is coming from a Canadian, from my experiences of what's available here and in the north eastern US. Maybe Florida and Texas have better chocolate, but nothing I've found from here comes anywhere close to anything from Europe.
I'm sorry, but bread fried in bacon grease is awesome. Sure, it's got to be fresh grease, not something that's been in the pan for a week, and I wouldn't try it if you're prone to cholesterol problems....
Yes. When they gave OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation. I know there's some crap in there, too, but there's got to be at least some good code in there that left with the rest of it....
If it's close to grade (ie not obviously leaning), let's assume 5deg, it's probably not as much as you suggest since logically does not indicate the berms were filled. Why would they filled if the leak was caused by a bad grade?
We could easily estimate, but I lack dimensions of the cylinders. I looked casually and found nothing.
Because if the tank was at 5deg, then the berm is going to be about the same. In order for the contents to leak out of the berm, it's going to need to be almost to the top, otherwise it wouldn't pour over.
Hell that means slashdot is finished. Who will be the first jerk to complain and sue slashdot?
I'm putting my money on APK. He gets insulted practically every time he posts, and frequently when he doesn't post, too. Of course, there's the flip side in that he posts scads of insults in virtually every post he makes, too, so it could go either way.
No, you only see Almost ready products in public demos, never flaming disasters carefully masked. Most engineers worth their salt wouldn't even show pre-alpha products to management.
TEPCO estimates that 430 litres of wastewater seeped outside the barrier around the tank
430 litres isn't what leaked out of the tank. 430 litres is what they estimate might have been the amount that got through the failsafe; that is, the barrier around the tank. Industrial holding tanks in virtually any western country that pays anything more than lip service to safety are required to have safety berms built around them, to form a barrier that prevents extreme spillage in case of a disaster like a ruptured tank. The berm is usually large enough to hold the entire contents of the tank. I'm guessing inside that barrier is looking pretty much like a swimming pool right about now, and thousands or more litres have actually escaped from the tank. If it's large enough to hold the entire contents of the tank, as I suspect it probably is, then the entire contents of the tank have leaked out, filled up the area in the berm, and they've apparently still been filling the tank, even though they obviously knew it was leaking. Some rainwater would have added to the amount inside the berm, certainly, but we're still talking about a massive amount of leakage from the tank itself.
About 10 times as many die from motor vehicle accidents each year in the US as died in the 911 attack. This doesn't warrant some traffic cop activity?
No, it doesn't warrant it. It warrants changing your driver's licencing requirements and increasing the difficulty of the tests, so people who shouldn't be put in charge of a golf cart are incapable of passing.
Society sees traffic accidents as a problem of enforcement. It's not. We've been enforcing traffic laws for decades, and accident rates haven't significantly changed. The problem is, we've been handing out driver's licences like crackerjack toys for decades, so we've got complete and total morons behind the wheels of cars.
Take a look at some of the car accident videos on YouTube. Some of them, you wonder how they manage to put their pants on in the morning, because they're so stupid. Yet, the vast majority of these people (allowing for a few who just drive without licences) have passed a driver's test, and obtained a driver's licence.
That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If a car is stopped, whether it be at a red light, green light, or no light at all, whether the driver is texting, the car is broken down, or the driver has had a heart attack; it's the driver coming up behind them who is responsible for not hitting them.
There are hundreds of reasons why a car could be stopped on a roadway. The vast majority of those reasons are legitimate. That reason is also irrelevant if a driver hits them from behind. It is ENTIRELY the fault of the rear-ending driver that they hit a stationary car, regardless of the reason the other car was stationary.
Why is everyone assuming that the 180 million record count is accurate? Did this number come from the NSA? I can't see that it would have come from anywhere else, as nobody else has access to this database to count records.
The NSA has lied to the public, and they've lied to congress. This 180 million could easily be 180 billion, and when it comes out that they lied, then "Well...it was just a typo. Sorry."
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Snowden has revealed US spying against China. He has not revealed spying done by China. Why?
Uuuhh...maybe because China's spying is of little to no concern to him?
More Mexicans have been killed in the current drug war/narco-insurgency than there were Americans killed in Vietnam. Do you think the US might reasonably want to keep an eye on that, especially since the violence bleeds over the border, US-Mexican border areas are dangerous on the US side, and drugs are flooding over the border?
Ok...and how much intel from drug gangs trying to get drugs into the US over the border do you think they're going to get from the Mexican president's personal email? Pretty much squat? Yeah...that's what I thought.
You might also want to consider the many countries in Europe that are both friendly to the US, and harbor Islamic extremists with ties to terrorism. The ringleader of the 9/11 hijackers came from living in Germany, for example.
That's the problem with freedom. People sometimes use it to do nasty things. However, the solution to this isn't to monitor everyone to prevent the nasty things. It's to create a society that, on the whole, people don't want to do nasty things to, and if some whackjob does anyway, find them and prosecute them if they're still alive.
Monitoring everybody just because you can falls firmly on the side of making a society that people do, in fact, want to do nasty things to.
I think you need rethink your ideas on this.
There's another reason, which I'm surprised nobody on /. has stated, due to the types of people who should frequent a joint like this.
In the IT industry, analytical personality types are over-represented. This personality type values integrity and competence. It also abhors hypocrisy.
Everybody knows taht China and Russia are dirtbags when it comes to human rights. That's not news to anybody who has been awake for more than 5 minutes of the past 2 decades.
The US government repeatedly condemns both Russia and China for various human rights abuses, including spying on their own people.
The fact that the US government has been doing the exact same thing in secret, is both completely lacking in integrity, and about as hypocritical as you can get.
I'm sure there was at least a little bit of "I'll get this hypocritical bastards!" in Snowden's mind when he released this information, and I wouldn't blame him. But that's why releasing information on China's abuses is irrelevant at this point.
The Chinese government is, by most people's perceptions, an enemy of the US people. There is no reason to expose that the US knows how to break into their networks.
The US government is supposed to be, by most people's ideals, the friend of the US people. This was not the case, as has been demonstrated by Snowden's revelations. This needs to change.
There is no reason to expose US tactical measures against an enemy government, but there is every reason to expose illegal US tactical measures against the very population of people that that US government is supposed to serve.
On one hand his job was described as a system administrator and .....
I don't think I've ever heard of him describe himself as a system administrator. I've heard NSA & government bigwigs call him that, but they've been spreading FUD about him since day 1, so I'm more likely to believe what he says.
He's called himself an infrastructure analyst, and his job was to figure out new ways to break into protected systems.
As long as there are other countries practicing espionage against US interests it would be foolish in the extreme to de-fang their own intelligence services.
So how does that explain why the US needs to collect call information for most, if not all, American citizens? If the NSA wants to target foreign militaries for spying, fine. Enemy foreign governments, sure. That's what they're supposed to be doing. Domestic civilian spying, on the other hand, is inexcusable, even by your logic.
Since ISPs tend to deny inbound connections on consumer-grade plans, chances are the ISP's firewall is sufficient already.
Really? I've been receiving incoming connections on my consumer-grade plan for a decade or more. I've seen plenty of others do the same. In fact, I've never heard of a consumer plan having inbound connections blocked.
I've heard of carrier grade NAT, but only in theory. Never seen it actually implemented. What ISPs actually do this?
Troll? WTF? How, using even the loosest possible definition of "troll" does this qualify?
It's reasoned, civil, and makes some very good points.
Yet again, mods: troll != I disagree.
You have to be specific, because they're right. North American chocolate is crap. Yes, 'excrement mixed with sand' is an exaggeration, but any chocolate made in North America is mediocre at best. The only decent chocolate here is shipped from Europe, and is exhorbitantly priced as a result.
This is coming from a Canadian, from my experiences of what's available here and in the north eastern US. Maybe Florida and Texas have better chocolate, but nothing I've found from here comes anywhere close to anything from Europe.
I'm sorry, but bread fried in bacon grease is awesome.
Sure, it's got to be fresh grease, not something that's been in the pan for a week, and I wouldn't try it if you're prone to cholesterol problems....
Another problem is down to deadlines... Closed source developers are more likely to be under time pressure, and thus cut corners.
By that logic, Duke Nukem Forever should have been the best game ever.
How about, laugh so hard that you start to cry?
Has ever one good line of code left Oracle?
Yes. When they gave OpenOffice to the Apache Foundation. I know there's some crap in there, too, but there's got to be at least some good code in there that left with the rest of it....
If it's close to grade (ie not obviously leaning), let's assume 5deg, it's probably not as much as you suggest since logically does not indicate the berms were filled. Why would they filled if the leak was caused by a bad grade?
We could easily estimate, but I lack dimensions of the cylinders. I looked casually and found nothing.
Because if the tank was at 5deg, then the berm is going to be about the same. In order for the contents to leak out of the berm, it's going to need to be almost to the top, otherwise it wouldn't pour over.
Hell that means slashdot is finished. Who will be the first jerk to complain and sue slashdot?
I'm putting my money on APK. He gets insulted practically every time he posts, and frequently when he doesn't post, too.
Of course, there's the flip side in that he posts scads of insults in virtually every post he makes, too, so it could go either way.
I think GP meant:
"What do you mean 'when' it comes? It's already here!"
You must be one of the people doing 5 under in the fast lane, then. Speed up, or get out of it.
No, you only see Almost ready products in public demos, never flaming disasters carefully masked.
Most engineers worth their salt wouldn't even show pre-alpha products to management.
Sure, you do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ Oh...wait. That wasn't carefully masked. It was just a flaming disaster. Carry on.
FTFS:
TEPCO estimates that 430 litres of wastewater seeped outside the barrier around the tank
430 litres isn't what leaked out of the tank. 430 litres is what they estimate might have been the amount that got through the failsafe; that is, the barrier around the tank.
Industrial holding tanks in virtually any western country that pays anything more than lip service to safety are required to have safety berms built around them, to form a barrier that prevents extreme spillage in case of a disaster like a ruptured tank. The berm is usually large enough to hold the entire contents of the tank.
I'm guessing inside that barrier is looking pretty much like a swimming pool right about now, and thousands or more litres have actually escaped from the tank. If it's large enough to hold the entire contents of the tank, as I suspect it probably is, then the entire contents of the tank have leaked out, filled up the area in the berm, and they've apparently still been filling the tank, even though they obviously knew it was leaking. Some rainwater would have added to the amount inside the berm, certainly, but we're still talking about a massive amount of leakage from the tank itself.
What the rambling poster was saying was this:
"Criminals use Tor" is not the same as saying "All Tor users are criminals."
Admittedly, it was a little long, and there wasn't a car analogy in there, but really? You couldn't figure that out?
About 10 times as many die from motor vehicle accidents each year in the US as died in the 911 attack. This doesn't warrant some traffic cop activity?
No, it doesn't warrant it. It warrants changing your driver's licencing requirements and increasing the difficulty of the tests, so people who shouldn't be put in charge of a golf cart are incapable of passing.
Society sees traffic accidents as a problem of enforcement. It's not. We've been enforcing traffic laws for decades, and accident rates haven't significantly changed. The problem is, we've been handing out driver's licences like crackerjack toys for decades, so we've got complete and total morons behind the wheels of cars.
Take a look at some of the car accident videos on YouTube. Some of them, you wonder how they manage to put their pants on in the morning, because they're so stupid. Yet, the vast majority of these people (allowing for a few who just drive without licences) have passed a driver's test, and obtained a driver's licence.
There's your problem, right there.
That's quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If a car is stopped, whether it be at a red light, green light, or no light at all, whether the driver is texting, the car is broken down, or the driver has had a heart attack; it's the driver coming up behind them who is responsible for not hitting them.
There are hundreds of reasons why a car could be stopped on a roadway. The vast majority of those reasons are legitimate. That reason is also irrelevant if a driver hits them from behind. It is ENTIRELY the fault of the rear-ending driver that they hit a stationary car, regardless of the reason the other car was stationary.
"I'm willing to bet" is the reason that the US has the TSA, groping everybody to get on a plane. Are you sure you want to use that logic?
Why is everyone assuming that the 180 million record count is accurate? Did this number come from the NSA? I can't see that it would have come from anywhere else, as nobody else has access to this database to count records.
The NSA has lied to the public, and they've lied to congress. This 180 million could easily be 180 billion, and when it comes out that they lied, then "Well...it was just a typo. Sorry."
How do they know who you are for sure if you're paying cash?
You think the Chinese government uses credit cards to pay their national hackers? WTF?