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The Story of the Original iPhone's Development

jds91md writes "Today's NY Times delivers a great story of the development of the iPhone by Apple. It focuses on the events during the leadup to Steve Jobs taking the stage with shockingly buggy prototypes and pulling off the show that is now history. 'Only about a hundred iPhones even existed, all of them of varying quality. Some had noticeable gaps between the screen and the plastic edge; others had scuff marks on the screen. And the software that ran the phone was full of bugs. The iPhone could play a section of a song or a video, but it couldn’t play an entire clip reliably without crashing. It worked fine if you sent an e-mail and then surfed the Web. If you did those things in reverse, however, it might not. Hours of trial and error had helped the iPhone team develop what engineers called “the golden path,” a specific set of tasks, performed in a specific way and order, that made the phone look as if it worked.' One of the big problems was the phone's connectivity. The man in charge of the iPhone's radios, Andy Grignon, had to deal with Jobs's anger when rehearsals didn't go well. Grignon said, 'Very rarely did I see him become completely unglued — it happened, but mostly he just looked at you and very directly said in a very loud and stern voice, "You are [expletive] up my company," or, "If we fail, it will be because of you." He was just very intense. And you would always feel an inch tall.'"

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  1. A testament to engineers by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole story is a great testament to engineers, in that (a) it's incredible they could have made the demo work that well, and (b) Apple actually shipped the thing described in that story just six months later - and it was basically pretty functional and solid.

    Even for you Apple Haters out there that have zero interest in reading something like this - well anyone who is an engineer should read it, and if you can't bring yourself to do that at least read the very last paragraph which is fun for everyone.

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    1. Re:A testament to engineers by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's also a great testament to what an utter fucking prick Jobs was. An effective utter fucking prick, but an utter fucking prick nonetheless.

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    2. Re:A testament to engineers by noh8rz10 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      such a stressful story! My blood pressure was up just reading it. Imagine being caught in SJ's whithering gaze! The scary part is that when he told people "you f'd my company" that was the nice time, and other times he became unglued! Then to have to sit there in the audience, knowing there is nothing you can do! I would have been quaking in my boots.

      the interesting thing is it didn't go into too much depth about iOS. in the early years SJ kept insisting to miniaturize OSX, but at some point they obv switched. there must be a story there!

    3. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Its also a testament about demonstrating something way before it was ready. A specific sequence of events that had to occur in a given order to prevent it crashing? Really? Send your most visible exec out with total crap in his hands?

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked? Its not like anyone was racing them to market in those days.

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    4. Re:A testament to engineers by retchdog · · Score: 4, Insightful
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    5. Re:A testament to engineers by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Its also a testament about demonstrating something way before it was ready.

      Which if you've been an engineer for more than, say, 10 minutes, is something you've experienced in your career.

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    6. Re:A testament to engineers by willy_me · · Score: 2

      In the initial stages the iPhone was hidden from most Apple employees. Even those that worked specific parts of the software design would not know how it was supposed to come together. To bring all the employees inline with development would inevitably result in the design being leaked before the big announcement. As it stands, rumors of it existed but people only had basic ideas of how it might look and operate.

      The final announcement greatly preceded the launch - something that is very rare for Apple. You can bet it was announced early partly so that Apple could bring in more employees and distribute prototypes without spoiling the presentation. But you are quite right in that 6 months is not much time to get if working right. But considering how inflexible the first version of the OS was, not impossible.

    7. Re:A testament to engineers by hardtofindanick · · Score: 1

      Send your most visible exec out with total crap in his hands?

      Depends on the exec. Some are completely incapable of doing this - they either panic and push the wrong buttons or fail to gracefully recover when they fumble.

      When you are starting off, the goal is to demo the vision, not the product. So it is not only ok, but commonplace to have incomplete/buggy device. But if your execs cannot pull off these kinds of demos, the whole thing is DOA.

    8. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 1

      No, you only see Almost ready products in public demos, never flaming disasters carefully masked.
      Most engineers worth their salt wouldn't even show pre-alpha products to management.

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    9. Re:A testament to engineers by stenvar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked? Its not like anyone was racing them to market in those days.

      Android had been in the works since 2005 and probably could have been released on a phone in 2007, but their acquisition by Google probably cost them a year. And at the time, Palm, Microsoft, and Nokia were formidable competitors. In 2007, they had become complacent and failed to update their OSes, but Apple didn't know that at the time.

      Yeah, people were "racing them to market", and the initial iPhone was a pretty iffy proposition and pretty limited device.

    10. Re:A testament to engineers by cusco · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is yet another example of the differences between Gates and Jobs. Gates went on stage and demo'ed their operating system. Jobs went out with his immaculately rehearsed script of things to do in the only order that they had managed to make work. Win95 blue screened when it hit a bad driver, while IOS (arguably a much more immature product when demonstrated) gave the illusion of being ready for consumers.

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    11. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Risky click...

    12. Re:A testament to engineers by retchdog · · Score: 1

      don't worry. it's benign.

      this one is more on point though: https://www.google.com/search?q=linus+torvalds+fuck+-nvidia+-sex+-meme+lkml

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    13. Re:A testament to engineers by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's also a great testament to what an utter fucking prick Jobs was. An effective utter fucking prick, but an utter fucking prick nonetheless.

      It's worse than that: As Dune tells us 'The Golden Path' was Leto Atreides II's prescient plan to guide the entirely of human evolution in the guise of a terrible half man/half sandworm God-Emperor.

      This also explains why Apple began building a massive, ring-shaped, climate controlled headquarters shortly after Jobs 'died'. Earth is too moist for sandworms; so they need a secure environment to house their God-Emperor.

    14. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 2

      IOS (arguably a much more immature product when demonstrated) gave the illusion of being ready for consumers.

      Not really. I distinctly remember Jobs nonchalantly handing off a crashed phone for another one and making it look
      like a planned event. He fooled no one. The press called it out, (but of course let it slide), because it was Jobs after all.

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    15. Re: A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs even lied to himself so long that it killed him.

    16. Re:A testament to engineers by cusco · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Gates wanted to make things useful, Jobs wanted to make them pretty. They both knew their audience, I suppose.

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    17. Re:A testament to engineers by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked?

      Not really. They'd painted themselves into a corner. Until 2009, their big annual event was the Keynote at the January MacWorld show. And they have to had to have at least one big product to announce each time.

      The article says that because of the engineering efforts that were going into iPhone, there wasn't anything else but the Apple TV to announce. What it doesn't mention is that the AppleTV wasn't even an option because it had already been previewed at the previous WWDC.

      This is why they don't do the MacWorld keynote anymore. So they can pick their own dates for launches and previews.

    18. Re:A testament to engineers by bensyverson · · Score: 2, Informative

      iOS (then iPhone OS) basically is a miniaturized OS X. Nothing changed.

    19. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iOS *is* a "miniaturized" OSX

    20. Re:A testament to engineers by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      You mean it seems to work in two specific cases. In the general case though the conventional wisdom is that it's an awful way to run projects.

    21. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One doesn't reach that level of success by being a "nice guy". Get over it. He was effective, and above all, he had the respect of his employees. Sure, they feared him, but they would give 100+% to reach the expectations Jobs had of them. He wanted the best from them, they saw the challenge and went for it, and whether you like it or not, he paved the road for the tech we have today.

    22. Re:A testament to engineers by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

      Hey, I did say he was effective. But the guy still sounds like a fucking asshole.

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    23. Re:A testament to engineers by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Well, public demos are relatively rare overall. Sure Apple does it, but most companies will have smaller initial demos, either to invitees only or as a dog and pony show to a specific customer. But definitely the idea of showing something off before it even works is common. Usually you've got a snake oil purveyor leading things (from sales department, or a CEO), and if things break badly there's a lot of sleight-of-hand being done to hide the product while it reboots.

      Things are rarely flaming disasters because there's a script that's being followed. Prospective customers are not given free and unfettered rein to try out the products. So you can have an automobile at a show that does not run because no one is going to attempt to drive it. For devices or software there's almost always a sales person handy to demonstrate and to give plenty of excuses ("I talked to the engineers this morning and they told me that this feature is done and in final test, but was not ready for the show").

    24. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you only see Almost ready products in public demos, never flaming disasters carefully masked.
      Most engineers worth their salt wouldn't even show pre-alpha products to management.

      I guess the mists of time, and vaporware itself, put out some of those "flaming disasters"?

    25. Re:A testament to engineers by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Sounds plausible. I had a friend who was a manager at Apple, unrelated to phones, and at one point they had a bunch of managers come together to do final assembly on one of the subsequent phone models just to keep it a secret a little longer.

    26. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gates wanted to make things useful, Jobs wanted to make them pretty. They both knew their audience, I suppose.

      Jobs wanted to make things usable. And he did.

    27. Re:A testament to engineers by noh8rz10 · · Score: 0

      nope it's completely different. have you ever used either ios or osx?

    28. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or a testament to the pressure that he (and everybody else) was under. Jobs was pretty much betting the company on that project, as I see it.

    29. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "completely different" in the same way as GNU/Linux running GNOME is "completely different" to GNU/Linux that boots into a text console.

      If you try programming the two operating systems, you'll realize that they're the same OS, even though the rules for developing iOS apps are very different.

    30. Re:A testament to engineers by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Didn't Apple do a public demo of their Copland operating system? Indeed, IIRC, they even distributed a few copies of an early alpha version to some developers, despite it reportedly being in a similar state.

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    31. Re:A testament to engineers by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      No, you only see Almost ready products in public demos, never flaming disasters carefully masked.
      Most engineers worth their salt wouldn't even show pre-alpha products to management.

      Sure, you do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y_Jp6PxsSQ Oh...wait. That wasn't carefully masked. It was just a flaming disaster. Carry on.

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    32. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly, if that's the price of "that level of success" is being an asshole, then everybody that successful made the wrong choice and deserves the judgement because the world is made better by a lack of assholes.

      Maybe he wasn't an asshole in person. To some extent, this guy might be taking Jobs' worst, most stressful day out of context and slightly exaggerated. I just don't know. Whatever.

      But I actually suspect that the extremely financially successful are not significantly different in their capacity to be assholes than a random sample of the population. At least other than, perhaps, not being able to empathize with the poor ("why don't they be just like me? I did it so everybody can"), but the engineers in his employ aren't poor.

    33. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 1

      And they didn't learn from their failures, and did it again in 2010:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxQOPFg2mo

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    34. Re:A testament to engineers by Your.Master · · Score: 2

      Using an OS tells you nothing about whether one OS is a miniaturized version of another OS.

      The UI is not the same thing as the OS. With sufficient motivation you could make a shell on OSX, a shell on Windows, and a shell on Linux/BSD/whatever, which present an essentially identical UI. A somewhat better measure is if you've developed for both OSes, but even they can have a different API set or a converged one (eg. the WINE project or the Unix API implemented in *all* the major OSes including Windows, but put to varying degrees of practical use in each).

      So the question becomes: did Jobs give up on pushing making a miniaturized OSX on the phone, or did you just misunderstand what he meant by miniaturized OSX (after all, he could have meant OS in the same way as you interpreted it, despite our quibbling about the technical definition of OS)?

      And...I don't know the answer to that at all. Both are intuitively defensible positions, and with enough research one is likely correct.

    35. Re:A testament to engineers by slash.jit · · Score: 1

      A better comparison would be I guess Any desktop Linux and Android

    36. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to survivor bias.

      The fact that you can see two guys that were successful by pushing big ideas while being pricks doesn't mean being a prick is requirement, or even helpful. All we know is that being a prick is not enough of a problem to make a visionary manager fail by itself.

      There's more to learn by seeing what kind of things the people that failed have in common with each other that you don't find in those that succeed.

    37. Re:A testament to engineers by slash.jit · · Score: 0

      It is really incredible that Apple shipped the phone in pretty good condition in just six months later but still IT LIED TO THE PEOPLE.

      Apple made fool out of all the audience. Fake signal bars, faking Wi-Fi strength?? Really?

      Now Hollywood should make a movie out of iPhone's development. That would be entertaining.

      I hope we could see similar stories of lies and corporate spying coming out of Samsung and Google.

    38. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You always see flaming disasters carefully masked in public demos of unreleased products, particularly ones that are not simply iterations of previous devices. Otherwise, the product would have already been released. This is almost true by definition, although granted, there is a little ramp-up time for manufacturing to consider.

      Where have you been developing products? Have you never seen demos where the press isn't allowed to touch the device? When they aren't, that's a big clue that there's a golden path in the demos that you aren't supposed to leave.

      I guarantee you that the demos of the new console generation, where the press wasn't allowed to actually play with the devices.

      (also, what were they going to do, hold the iPhones behind their backs when Steve Jobs walked by and asked to see the product, claiming they'd been playing Ping-Pong for the last year but would get right on the iPhone project?)

      Here's how things go: "about how long would it take to get this?" "X months absolute minimum, but that will be shit, and Y months for something amazing". "Okay, well have Z months. Figure out what you can with that time and do it. And have something that I can demo to the press in Z-W months. Go."

    39. Re:A testament to engineers by McGruber · · Score: 1

      Its also a testament about demonstrating something way before it was ready.

      Which if you've been an engineer for more than, say, 10 minutes, is something you've experienced in your career.

      I really hope you are not a bridge engineer!

    40. Re:A testament to engineers by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is yet another example of the differences between Gates and Jobs. Gates went on stage and demo'ed their operating system. Jobs went out with his immaculately rehearsed script of things to do in the only order that they had managed to make work. Win95 blue screened when it hit a bad driver, while IOS (arguably a much more immature product when demonstrated) gave the illusion of being ready for consumers.

      Absolutely. This is the difference between geeks/engineers, and people who know how to market things. Geeks and engineers in general don't even like the ability to market. They think it is "bells and Whistles" or "Madison Avenue". I suspect that like most good geeks, Gates went out cold, and tried to demo his products, probably the first time he'd seen them in action. I suspect that (almost certain) that Jobs rehearsed his spiel many times before going out. And if there was a stability problem, what ran before what, he knew it and worked around it.

      In the end, when everything worked well, the orchestrated marketing meant nothing othre than it did it's job.

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    41. Re:A testament to engineers by Goody · · Score: 2

      Imagine where Blackberry might be today if they had an asshole screaming at their product management people back in 2007.

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    42. Re:A testament to engineers by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Insightful comment, but this being Slashdot you are of course modded 'troll.' Sigh.

    43. Re:A testament to engineers by real+gumby · · Score: 1

      Damn, no modpoints. Else I would have modded this "Insightful."

    44. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linus gets more obnoxious when he doesn't know what he's talking about, which is anytime he's discussing anything other than his own code.

    45. Re:A testament to engineers by cusco · · Score: 1

      Amusing. First 'Troll' mod that I've had in a while. IIRC my last Troll mod and my last Flamebait was also pointing out the differences between MS/Gates and Apple/Jobs.

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    46. Re:A testament to engineers by multi+io · · Score: 1

      Gates wanted to make things useful, Jobs wanted to make them pretty. They both knew their audience, I suppose.

      By the time the iPhone came out, Gates's/Ballmer's efforts to "make things useful" had culminated in something like this:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQquVbbLgtE
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=928W9niR0G0

      ...and face it: Without Apple, some linear enhancement of this would be in our pockets today.

      Nuff said.

    47. Re:A testament to engineers by retchdog · · Score: 0

      survivorship is after the fact. linus is an asshole and commanding great work; jobs was known to be an asshole for years while commanding great work.

      also, this isn't survivor bias so much as just being a small, cherry-picked sample. any more data would be welcome. is there a comprehensive study of failures?

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    48. Re:A testament to engineers by darkshadow · · Score: 1

      Also, they had to get approval from the FCC and it would have leaked if they had waited.

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    49. Re:A testament to engineers by multi+io · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is yet another example of the differences between Gates and Jobs. Gates went on stage and demo'ed their operating system. Jobs went out with his immaculately rehearsed script of things to do in the only order that they had managed to make work. Win95 blue screened when it hit a bad driver, while IOS (arguably a much more immature product when demonstrated) gave the illusion of being ready for consumers.

      Absolutely. This is the difference between geeks/engineers, and people who know how to market things. Geeks and engineers in general don't even like the ability to market. They think it is "bells and Whistles" or "Madison Avenue". I suspect that like most good geeks, Gates went out cold, and tried to demo his products, probably the first time he'd seen them in action.

      Haha. People here seem to have forgotten that Microsoft practically invented the term "vaporware" all by themselves. They were undisputed masters in that field. The "Cairo project" arguably existed for the sole purpose of shying customers away from NeXTStep, and was buried as soon as the latter was no longer thought to be a threat. And who remembers WinFS? They probably even shipped some developer previews of that before cancelling it.

      In contrast to that, Jobs at Macworld 2007 only promised that Apple would deliver a device 6 months later which would work as could reasonably be inferred from the demo. And they did that. So technically Jobs wasn't even "lying" at that demo, the whole thing can essentially be seen as a somewhat more elaborate slide-show presentation which just happened to include a half-working prototype as well.

    50. Re:A testament to engineers by cusco · · Score: 1

      My understanding is that both Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos have soundproofed offices because they're known for browbeating poorly performing executives at the top of their lungs. It seems to be a common thread among the egotists the run large corporations.

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    51. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Gates obviously didn't browbeat Steve Ballmer.

      As for bezos, his office is soundproofed because he's a loud bottom and likes the rough treatment.

    52. Re: A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess you never made a prototype then. Or any complex projects made from scratch.

    53. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine where they'd be if they hadn't had all their money stolen by NTP Inc and the US court system? But that's what happens when you do business with Americans. They're not rich because they make stuff...

    54. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Not someone else's, I'm merely tired of the inaccurate and beaten-to-a-pulp dead horse comments about how much of an asshole Linus supposedly is. Just because of similarly inaccurate articles sensationalizing his "outbursts" which are no such thing. Your comparison was between a competent programmer, who is straightforward, and an incompetent businessman that doesn't know a damn thing about the technology his company was producing yet saw it fit to be a tyrant to those who were working on it. So let me break that down again for you but in a better format:

      Linus Writes code, recognizes errors in those patches, gently corrects people unless they know better. Steve Makes retarded statements about what is pretty, happens to be good at conning people

      Now, both of these people can be pricks. But your claim that being a prick in itself works in general is false. Steve's input can be dug down to him covering his ears and saying "NO NO MAKE IT PRETTIER". Linus' input can be dug down to real technical advice and correction. Your type is why there is currently a trend of programmers thinking that being an anti-social jackass = effective management. Was this clear enough?

    55. Re:A testament to engineers by zugmeister · · Score: 1

      This is why we need a +1 awesome mod. It should come with your other mod points but you only get one of them.

    56. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention hacking every single network they could get their hands on. As if the NSA regarded any foreign system infiltrated as untouchable territory.

    57. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Oh, unfortunately, this also makes Steve Balmer the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. You have to admit that there are certain physical similarities.)

    58. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +4? It is clear none of you understand what it means to work for someone who gives 110% and demands 110%. The people who worked closest to Jobs, literally worked for over a decade for him - long after they had tens of millions of dollars. Ask yourself why. If he was just a "fucking prick" do you think anyone would put up with that?

      (and I've heard much worse comments about how Gates treated his people - how many presidents and other senior execs did Gates go through while he was running Microsoft?)

    59. Re:A testament to engineers by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of my final project in a CS class, we had a program that actually worked but didn't have time to compile all the data for it. Instead, we made a quick mock up that responded to specific buttons in a specific order, creating what was essentially a slide show of how it actually worked.

    60. Re: A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're making anything more than a quick, throwaway prototype it shouldn't be riddled with so many bugs that it'll case months of additional work near release time. If you know your prototype has an ok chance of morphing into the production system, it should written as a production system from the start (testing your user and function inputs, documented interfaces, proper error messages, tests, etc...) You'll save literally months later with little upfront costs.

      Hard to find, emergent bugs are one thing. Sloppy code is another. I'm not specifically complaining about iPhones, but our dev industry in general.

    61. Re:A testament to engineers by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      So the question becomes: did Jobs give up on pushing making a miniaturized OSX on the phone, or did you just misunderstand what he meant by miniaturized OSX (after all, he could have meant OS in the same way as you interpreted it, despite our quibbling about the technical definition of OS)?

      And...I don't know the answer to that at all. Both are intuitively defensible positions, and with enough research one is likely correct.

      Well, iOS is miniaturized OS X. In fact, I think when RIM first took apart an iPhone to see how it ticked, they were shocked when the OS took up 700MB of available storage. The typical phone OS of the days usually consumed under 30MB.

      The UI model though is completely different between iOS and OS X, and for good reason. You don't want UI conventions from OS X making it into iOS because OS X is designed for a keyboard and mouse, while iOS is touchscreen based. Any UX designer knows interaction models are completely different for those interfaces.

      Forcing app devs to use the different API gives them an opportunity to properly re-architect their UI for the touchscreen, rather than take the lazy route and recompile, leading to a potentially crappy experience.

      See what happened when Microsoft tries to impose the same UI as desktop to tablet, or tablet to desktop. One interaction ends up being awkward.

      Its also a testament about demonstrating something way before it was ready. A specific sequence of events that had to occur in a given order to prevent it crashing? Really? Send your most visible exec out with total crap in his hands?

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked? Its not like anyone was racing them to market in those days.

      Well, the original iPhone prototypes were known to be crap - Jobs having seen the early prototypes and nearly smashed them against the wall in annoyance at all the crashing and instability it had.

      Jobs already knew it - he saw the crap it was during meetings, and decided to just go for it and announce a release date and all that. The FCC tied Apple's hands on when they could announce it - basically they were going to release the compliance information to the public soon, so Apple had to announce it sooner.

      And these announcements take time to set up, so I guess he was hoping the software would be in a more stable state between the time of making all the arrangements and announcement day.

    62. Re:A testament to engineers by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Ballmer

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    63. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also a great testament to what an utter fucking prick Jobs was. An effective utter fucking prick, but an utter fucking prick nonetheless.

      It's worse than that: As Dune tells us 'The Golden Path' was Leto Atreides II's prescient plan to guide the entirely of human evolution in the guise of a terrible half man/half sandworm God-Emperor.

      This also explains why Apple began building a massive, ring-shaped, climate controlled headquarters shortly after Jobs 'died'. Earth is too moist for sandworms; so they need a secure environment to house their God-Emperor.

    64. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The UI is not the same thing as the OS.

      This.

      For all platforms, a mistake consistently made over and over again by commenters and journalists is the confusing of these two distinct concepts: interface and operating system.

    65. Re: A testament to engineers by EGSonikku · · Score: 1

      No, it is still LARGELY based on OS X. It uses the same kernel
      (Darwin) and many of the same API's.

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    66. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Temporary problem was due to the attendees saturating the wireless and internet connection with AV streaming to update sites. Your attempt to mislead has failed.

    67. Re:A testament to engineers by vakuona · · Score: 2

      Why would Apple do a presentation and draw people's attention to the fact that the signal was not good on the day and all the other negatives. Like it or not, Apple was selling the vision of the iPhone. People didn't leave the presentation thinking, "OMG, that first version of the iPhone is bug free". They rather thought the iPhone is a hundred steps ahead of anything they had ever seen, and that the vision was bold, and the product was likely to be really good, which it turned out to be.

    68. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while IOS (arguably a much more immature product when demonstrated)

      If so, rather than alluding a possible argument, please instead make the argument to which you are referring. This is likely why you were modded 'Troll.'

    69. Re:A testament to engineers by RR · · Score: 1

      Android and desktop Linux are not really that close. Android has an almost entirely different userspace from desktop Linux, because of Google's allergy to GPL and open development. It uses Bionic instead of GNU libc, it uses Dalvik instead of OpenJDK, it uses SurfaceFlinger instead of X or an existing framebuffer library, it uses Binder instead of DBUS, and wakelocks have been a challenging addition to the Linux kernel. Just off the top of my head.

      Apple, obviously, has no problem using the same libraries and Objective C frameworks on MacOS and iOS.

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    70. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I could have done great things by "covering my ears and saying 'NO NO MAKE IT PRETTIER'".

      I suppose all the big name people in Silicon Valley went to Steve Jobs for advice to listen to him scream "MAKE IT PRETTIER". Yes that makes sense.

      By your admission, his management of Apple by just being an "anti-social jackass" was pretty efficient. I think it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about at all.

    71. Re:A testament to engineers by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      And the rest of the day turned out to be just a [expletive] for the entire iPhone team.

      Erm, so what is he saying here? I need to know WHICH expletive to get the sense of the sentence but the morons censored it.

    72. Re:A testament to engineers by narcc · · Score: 1

      I think he's one of those people who still think "software engineering" is related in some way to other actual engineering disciplines.

    73. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be impossible to create a Wireless network that has a password. :(

    74. Re:A testament to engineers by narcc · · Score: 1

      No, no he did not. I have absolutely no idea how that absurd myth still persists.

      Something as simple as copying some music on to an iPod or iPhone is an absolute nightmare. Their gesture suite can only be described as disgraceful. Even the home button is a mess; embarrassingly overloaded with functions which change depending on how and when you press it. It's as unintuitive as it gets.

      Sure, the iPhone it seemed simple when it barely did anything. You know, when it didn't have apps, copy/paste, multitasking, MMS, and other features common to other smartphones, and even many of the cheapest feature phones of the time.

      Here's a usability challenge for you: Copy a zip file from your computer to your iPhone and then email it to someone. Now try doing the same thing on a BlackBerry, Android, or, well, any other smartphone.

      Usable my ass. It borders on useless.

    75. Re: A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Gates really seemed to care more about the $$$,than anything else. He'd cut his own grandma's throat for a nickel, in the 80s/90s. He didn't really seem to care about anything else.

    76. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a fool. There is nothing more to be said about you.

    77. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not true at all, most projects I have been involved with start with smoke and mirrors.

      Trying to get an enthusiastic vision to reality sometimes means shortcuts - but promotes evolution, eventually.

    78. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet so many, many people own and love their iPhones... Amazing, right? I'm assuming that they're just all sheeple, waiting for a all-knowing messiah like you to save them from the waking nightmare that is iPhone, eh?

    79. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've landed into jobs were the previous team "desserted" their position and had to prepare a demo about a product I didn't even know about in less than a week, an important sale depending on its success. Sometimes you are put into situations it doesn't matter you are an engineer or a clown.

    80. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you only see Almost ready products in public demos, never flaming disasters carefully masked.

      Like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1yMYSP-YJs

    81. Re:A testament to engineers by Alomex · · Score: 1

      This is the typical response of an abuse enabler. People from all walks of life have repeatedly pointed out that Jobs was an A grade a-hole, yet we have noh8rz10 belittling one of the targets of his abuse.

    82. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 1

      If you've been involved in projects that are demonstrated to the fawning public and press when they are still smoke and mirrors I can see why you are posting as AC. But why don't you use your AC status to help protect the public as well as your own ass, and tell us what company it was so we can all avoid them.

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    83. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 1

      When the prior team deserted their project en-mass you certainly were a clown for accepting the assignment.

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    84. Re:A testament to engineers by icebike · · Score: 1

      So that's your example of a quality product?

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    85. Re:A testament to engineers by rainer_d · · Score: 1

      If the spectrum is saturated (1k people tethering their MacBookPros to their phones...), that password doesn't buy you anything at all.

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    86. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wellington: "There's only one way to win a campaign: shout, shout and SHOUT again!"
      Black Adder: "You don't think that inspired leadership and tactical ability have anything to do with it?"
      Wellington: "NO! It's all down to SHOUTING!!"

    87. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With sufficient motivation you could make a shell on OSX, a shell on Windows, and a shell on Linux/BSD/whatever, which present an essentially identical UI.

      That is a great idea! Someone should do that...

    88. Re:A testament to engineers by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Can you do bulk delete easily on the iPhone mail client yet? I wanted to clear a load of spurious notifications from my work iPhone back in 2011 and was told that no-one needed to do that by a load of idiot fanbois and I should be happy to have to delete 6000 emails one by one.

    89. Re: A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes you can.

    90. Re:A testament to engineers by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      how did I belittle? I sympathized with the dude who obviously had a harrowing experience! you're right I'm forgiving SJ his a-hole-ness, because he was a great man. no fanboi-ism, just facts.

    91. Re:A testament to engineers by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's clear you're a moron. Linus did exactly the same thing about crypto vulnerabilities in the kernel. He ignored a real (if so far theoretical) vulnerability, did his usual "fuck you" routine, and did so by making false claims about the relevant code (they were based on code comments which were no longer accurate.) Now that sounds exactly like covering his ears and screaming.

      Gently corrects people, my ass. That was neither gentle nor, in fact, a correction.

      And Steve Jobs' job was to make things pretty, you idiot. And he was very good at it, made stacks of cash for himself and many others, and produced the best laptop in the world. And it runs unix.

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    92. Re:A testament to engineers by retchdog · · Score: 1

      not exactly comprehensive, but very good point. :)

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    93. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My money is on "clusterfuck," but "pissfest" would work too... dunno why the stupid [expletive]s censored it.

    94. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No Copland was not a live demo ever. They were macromedia-based canned demos. The early alpha, if you can call it that, wouldn't even boot most of the time. It was more for driver development than any app developer and had essentially none of the user-facing improvements.

    95. Re:A testament to engineers by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Who cares about the signal strength during a demo? As they said, they knew the signal would be good - they brought in a mobile tower. The only issue was that during the demo the cell radio might crash, dropping bars and then raising them again - which would be MORE of a lie because the actual network had not dropped. As it was we don't even know if that ever happened.

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    96. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked? Its not like anyone was racing them to market in those days.

      Not to the market - but the FTC was about to release the certification information of the iPhone a few days later anyway. Might as well give the press something more than just that.

    97. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked? Its not like anyone was racing them to market in those days.

      Android had been in the works since 2005 and probably could have been released on a phone in 2007

      Completely ignoring that it still was a BlackBerry clone at that time.

    98. Re: A testament to engineers by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      [Citation needed]

    99. Re:A testament to engineers by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they just wait till it actually worked? Its not like anyone was racing them to market in those days.

      Racing to market, maybe not. Still, people were already upgrading phones fairly often. A late demo would have been six months of people who would have bought an iPhone but couldn't because they already upgraded.

    100. Re:A testament to engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a copy of Copland, and actually got it to boot once or twice back when I still had the required hardware (IIRC it only booted on a very narrow range of PowerMacs). You are wrong in that it did in fact have the user-facing improvements. You are right in that it was virtually unusable. It was so bad that I doubt any third parties ever bothered using it for its stated purpose (driver development).

    101. Re:A testament to engineers by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      I personally subscribe to the theory that sociopathy is a requirement to run a large company.

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    102. Re:A testament to engineers by bensyverson · · Score: 1

      Yes, I develop apps for both platforms. Both OS X and iOS are brand names for an Apple-augmented version of Darwin—a POSIX-compliant UNIX OS. It's the same OS with a different face.

      They share so much that they even use the same drawing layer. In Linux terms, that would be sort of like if Android ran X Windows, and it was the same flavor of X Windows as Ubuntu. (In fact OS X and iOS share way, way more than Android and Ubuntu.)

      The biggest difference is between OS X and iOS is obvious: the UI. The reason for the difference is also obvious: one of them is touch-based. The UI layers (think window managers) are named AppKit and UIKit, and they share many similarities. Many of the APIs are nearly identical.

      About the only thing they don't share is binary compatibility, because iOS is made for ARM as opposed to x86. However, this is not a technical hurdle; Mac and iOS applications are designed to handle multiple architectures. Technically, Apple could allow Mac applications to include an ARM64 binary, or iOS apps to include an x86 binary. Practically, the differences in input devices wouldn't be ideal, so Apple hasn't done it yet.

      But make no mistake; it's the same OS, and they could ship truly Universal apps tomorrow. In fact, there's currently a rumor circulating that Apple wants to consolidate slightly, and produce MacBook Air notebooks running ARM. Given the performance of the 5s, they may be on to something.

  2. "One of the nicest commutes anywhere..." by reiserifick · · Score: 1

    "The 55 miles from Campbell to San Francisco make for one of the nicest commutes anywhere. The journey mostly zips along the Junipero Serra Freeway, a grand and remarkably empty highway" Spend some time commuting on I-280 (the Junipero Serra Freeway) and you'll soon realize that it's clogged with people doing 5 mph under the speed limit in the fast lane...

    1. Re:"One of the nicest commutes anywhere..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience is that everyone is doing >80...

    2. Re:"One of the nicest commutes anywhere..." by spopepro · · Score: 1

      Maybe because it is, by far, the most reliable stretch of highway in the bay area to get a ticket. Especially between 92 and 380.

    3. Re:"One of the nicest commutes anywhere..." by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      You must be one of the people doing 5 under in the fast lane, then. Speed up, or get out of it.

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    4. Re:"One of the nicest commutes anywhere..." by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My experience is that everyone is doing >80...

      The further you get from SF, or the closer you get to commute time, the less true that is.

      I usually use 280 for a small handful of minutes, just enough to get to the 9. When it's moving, though, it's one of the fastest highways in California.

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    5. Re:"One of the nicest commutes anywhere..." by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Spend some time commuting on I-280 (the Junipero Serra Freeway) and you'll soon realize that it's clogged with people doing 5 mph under the speed limit in the fast lane...

      Spend some time on 280 at the right time of day and you'll soon realize that some sections are clogged with people doing 40+ mph under the speed limit in all lanes.

  3. and all without... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    copy and paste

  4. Not the original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The original iphone was made by Cisco.

    1. Re:Not the original by cusco · · Score: 2

      No, the original iphone was made by the Brazilian telephone company. Apple just ripped off the name without doing any research.

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    2. Re: Not the original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You both are dipshit.

    3. Re:Not the original by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, when your company has $150+ Billion in cash, the world's most powerful brand, and the largest market cap of any company ever, then you can rip off any name you like, too.

  5. if you've only got a highly buggy prototype by themushroom · · Score: 1, Interesting

    ...perhaps you shouldn't be demoing it to the public yet.

    1. Re:if you've only got a highly buggy prototype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But then your competition will demo their product. Then won't matter if you've been developing yours for years before, all the public sees is the other guy was first.
      And if you're not publicly demoing something new now everyone thinks you no longer have anything to offer.

    2. Re:if you've only got a highly buggy prototype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, you are right, what the hell were they thinking? It's too bad they didn't listen to your advice, otherwise they might have been successful. :(

    3. Re:if you've only got a highly buggy prototype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your statement would be a lot less stupid if there hadn't already been smartphones for years before the iphone was demoed.

  6. give proper credit by stenvar · · Score: 0

    The impact has been not only economic but also cultural. Apple’s innovations have set off an entire rethinking of how humans interact with machines. It’s not simply that we use our fingers now instead of a mouse. Smartphones, in particular, have become extensions of our brains. They have fundamentally changed the way people receive and process information.

    Except they weren't really "Apple innovations". Apple did a great job with the design and engineering of the iPhone, and they popularized these ideas and interfaces. But the innovations themselves largely came from Palm, Nokia, and a whole bunch of startups.

    1. Re:give proper credit by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 1

      But the innovations themselves largely came from Palm, Nokia, and a whole bunch of startups.

      It's a difference between seeing the forest (a well designed product that people will use) instead of the collection of trees (stand alone features that didn't work well together).

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    2. Re:give proper credit by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except they weren't really "Apple innovations". Apple did a great job with the design and engineering of the iPhone, and they popularized these ideas and interfaces. But the innovations themselves largely came from Palm, Nokia, and a whole bunch of startups.

      Ford didn't invent the car either, but the Model T was certainly innovative and redefined the automotive industry. The same can be said for the iPhone.

    3. Re:give proper credit by stenvar · · Score: 1

      But that difference didn't exist. All the smartphones at the time had pretty much the same features in the same combinations as the iPhone. A Palm-based phone around the time the iPhone came out already was pretty much like an iPhone: same kind of launcher, same productivity apps, same kind of syncing, music player, online market, dock, sync cable, etc. The main difference between iPhone and the rest was not innovation or combination of features, it was appearance, design, and (a moderate increase in) usability.

    4. Re:give proper credit by stenvar · · Score: 0

      I don't think so. Ford dominated its market for a while; Apple never did.

    5. Re:give proper credit by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A Palm-based phone around the time the iPhone came out already was pretty much like an iPhone: same kind of launcher, same productivity apps, same kind of syncing, music player, online market, dock, sync cable, etc. The main difference between iPhone and the rest was not innovation or combination of features, it was appearance, design, and (a moderate increase in) usability.

      No. They had low resolution displays and was pretty much an upgraded Palm Pilot with a cell phone built-in and a blackberry like keyboard that made life easier since graffiti required a stylus to input well. I had one. I also had to work with Nokia's offerings. There were absolutely no comparisons between these devices and the very first iPhone. The windows mobile version of the treo was a little nicer, but still had a low resolution display and had very little in common with the iPhone.

      There is a reason the smart phone market didn't take off until the introduction of the iPhone.

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    6. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't the iPod dominate the mp3 player market?

    7. Re:give proper credit by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      IOS 7 is just NOW getting the palm card-style interface as a task manager. My wife saw it and even said 'o it works like my Palm does'. When iphone came out i had a palm Pre as well, and it wasnt until Iphone 4s that i thought Apple had a worthy replacement for my Palm.

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    8. Re:give proper credit by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 2

      I'm sure what Nokia and Palm feel real good right at the moment, now that you've finally given them the credit they deserve.

    9. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hey dumbass. They've been dominating the market BY REVENUE for YEARS now.

    10. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The impact has been not only economic but also cultural. Apple’s innovations have set off an entire rethinking of how humans interact with machines. It’s not simply that we use our fingers now instead of a mouse. Smartphones, in particular, have become extensions of our brains. They have fundamentally changed the way people receive and process information.

      Except they weren't really "Apple innovations". Apple did a great job with the design and engineering of the iPhone, and they popularized these ideas and interfaces. But the innovations themselves largely came from Palm, Nokia, and a whole bunch of startups.

      In theory, yes, Palm and Nokia could have come up with an iPhone before Apple, but the fact was they didn't.
      I have used the Palm V since 2001, and I have been waiting for them to come up with a good PDA phone for years until I finally gave up on them and bought an iPhone instead.

      You could have all the great ingredients on your hand, but if you cannot cook up a good dish, you can't say you are a great cook because you "could have" made a great dish, and that other cook who did just copied your ingredients.

    11. Re:give proper credit by stenvar · · Score: 1

      No. They had low resolution displays and was pretty much an upgraded Palm Pilot with a cell phone built-in and a blackberry like keyboard that made life easier since graffiti required a stylus to input well

      There were some full touch screen versions, and 320x320 isn't "low resolution" (compared to the iPhone's 320x480). You didn't have to use the stylus, there were touch keyboards, although the hard keyboards were nicer than iPhone for a long time.

      There is a reason the smart phone market didn't take off until the introduction of the iPhone.

      Apple has never been the dominant smart phone vendor, so they certainly didn't cause it "to take off"; they simply grew with a market that has grown exponentially since the early Palm/Nokia days.

    12. Re:give proper credit by stenvar · · Score: 1

      The people who actually created those technologies may feel better at least.

    13. Re:give proper credit by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      The revolution was how they were built so they could be cheap enough for ordinary people to afford them.

      Somehow, I don't think comparing the Model T to the iPhone is quite appropriate.

    14. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> I don't think so. Ford dominated its market for a while; Apple never did.

      LOL Good joke

    15. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So innovation is a function of the market share for your products?

    16. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I welcome you to Earth, strange traveller. You obviously must be new here and may have not noticed yet that Apple dominates all other brands , and for a time was the world's largest company, only loosing its place to become 2nd earlier this year to Exxon.

    17. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple & Exxon keep swapping 1st, 2nd place. Apple's the largest again.

    18. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There were some full touch screen versions, and 320x320 isn't "low resolution" (compared to the iPhone's 320x480).

      The Treo 180g was the only fullscreen pilot phone made prior to the iPhone and it had a 160x160 resolution. Palm didn't introduce another fullscreen phone until the Palm Pre series in 2009.

      While most of their models were 160x160 resolution, and the windows mobile versions were 240x240 resolution. The Palm Treo's that had 320x320 resolution just prior to introduction to the iPhone were the Treo 650, Treo 700p, and Treo 680. The 650 was plagued with filesystem problems, random restarts, piss poor microphone, and a weird buzzing in the background of conversations. The Treo 700p was more stable but Palm didn't make a GSM version. The Treo 680 was the GSM successor to the 650.

      All three models had the following issues. The lack of WiFi drove people nuts because the regular PDAs had WiFi and wireless data was very slow. WiFi would have helped a lot. The UI took up a lot of screen space, since it was as if they just scaled up the applications designed for 160x160 resolutions to the 320x320 screen. Finally the screen size was a small square due to the built in keyboard.

    19. Re:give proper credit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well, if creating a new kind of device and forcing the whole industry to copy them is not dominating, what could be to your elitist blind eyes...

  7. Identifying problem source by r2kordmaa · · Score: 1
    "You are [expletive] up my company," or, "If we fail, it will be because of you."

    Every engineering failiure starts with an managment failiure

    1. Re:Identifying problem source by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Exactly what I was thinking. Had I been there, my reaction, after the initial shock and horror, would have been, "No, if we fail, it will be because you demanded we demo a product before it was ready." There's pushing people to deliver amazing products in an amazing timeframe, and there's pushing people to deliver a product, finished or not, in an unrealistic timeframe. There's a very fine line between the two, and had they failed, it would have been entirely because Steve crossed that line. Fortunately for everyone involved, he didn't. He knew exactly how far and how hard to push, and he pushed that hard, but no harder.

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    2. Re:Identifying problem source by timeOday · · Score: 2

      Had I been there, my reaction, after the initial shock and horror, would have been, "No, if we fail, it will be because you demanded we demo a product before it was ready."

      I don't know whether to dismiss that as a fantasy, or point out maybe it's part of why you weren't there.

    3. Re:Identifying problem source by DJCouchyCouch · · Score: 2

      "No, if we fail, it will be because you demanded we demo a product before it was ready." And I can totally see Steve Jobs going "Oh, you're right. Sorry!"

    4. Re:Identifying problem source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded?

      Since they in fact did it, Jobs showed that he wasn't asking people to do the impossible at all. He was making them do their level best so he could accomplish his goals. There isn't a line between the two, there is a spectrum of probabilistic outcomes, and Jobs career shows he was on the right side more often than not.

      Since they released an iPhone that was far from perfect - with a fat tail of features left out - it's likely that Jobs didn't get everything he wanted, and yet no-one got screwed for making massive measurable progress towards making a family of devices called iPhone which he could, you know, actually _sell_.

      And however cruel Papa Jobs might have been, the market is crueller.

    5. Re:Identifying problem source by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Are you retarded? Since they in fact did it, Jobs showed that he wasn't asking people to do the impossible at all.

      Are you? That's exactly what I said.

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  8. Terminology by MrEricSir · · Score: 4, Informative

    Except they weren't really "Apple innovations". Apple did a great job with the design and engineering of the iPhone, and they popularized these ideas and interfaces. But the innovations themselves largely came from Palm, Nokia, and a whole bunch of startups.

    The word "innovation" does not mean "invention." What you're describing, however, does fit the definition of innovation.

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    1. Re:Terminology by stenvar · · Score: 0

      The word "innovation" does not mean "invention."

      Neither does it mean "popularizing".

      What you're describing, however, does fit the definition of innovation.

      Palm, Nokia, RIM, and Microsoft didn't just invent these technologies, they brought them to market and had very successful products with them. That's innovation. Apple never even caught up with their market share. Apple did a spectacular job on design, engineering, and marketing, but none of that is innovation.

    2. Re:Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The word "innovation" does not mean "invention."

      Neither does it mean "popularizing".

      Sir, you are mistaken. Apple has recently innovated the definition of "innovation". You will kindly conform to the new Apple-approved meaning.

    3. Re:Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus Christ. Go outside and get some air. But take your head out of your ass first.

    4. Re:Terminology by darkshadow · · Score: 1

      Newton

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    5. Re:Terminology by stenvar · · Score: 1

      Dynabook. PenPoint.

      (And Newton was a failure because it didn't do what Palm or later iPhone did.)

    6. Re:Terminology by multi+io · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The word "innovation" does not mean "invention."

      Neither does it mean "popularizing".

      What you're describing, however, does fit the definition of innovation.

      Palm, Nokia, RIM, and Microsoft didn't just invent these technologies, they brought them to market and had very successful products with them.

      No. They produced entirely different devices and were (more or less) successful with those. The innovation in the original iPhone wasn't in any of the underlying technologies -- those had all been there before. The innovation of the iPhone was in the overall design, the vertical integration of the touch screen with the new "physical" touch UI and the sensors, the unified co-design of hardware and software and applications and later the app store model and so on. All those things constitute innovations in themselves -- and they have since totally disrupted and recreated the entire smartphone market.

    7. Re:Terminology by stenvar · · Score: 0

      The innovation of the iPhone was in the overall design, the vertical integration of the touch screen with the new "physical" touch UI and the sensors, the unified co-design of hardware and software and applications and later the app store model and so on

      Palm did the same thing before Apple and was very successful with it. Apple did not invent or was the first to succeed with the app store either. The iPhone was simply an evolution from previous platforms.

      and they have since totally disrupted and recreated the entire smartphone market.

      Apple has always remained a small player in the smartphone market, so they neither "disrupted" nor "recreated" it.

      Look, I think Apple is a good company with good engineers and designers making good products. Why taint that with all these questionable and exaggerated claims about innovation?

    8. Re:Terminology by multi+io · · Score: 4, Informative

      The innovation of the iPhone was in the overall design, the vertical integration of the touch screen with the new "physical" touch UI and the sensors, the unified co-design of hardware and software and applications and later the app store model and so on

      Palm did the same thing before Apple and was very successful with it. Apple did not invent or was the first to succeed with the app store either. The iPhone was simply an evolution from previous platforms.

      No. I owned a Palm Pilot. It was a very different device from an iPhone. There was nothing like the app store either. OTOH, all current smartphones, including Android and Windows Phone offerings, aren't very different devices from an iPhone. Even though those devices have developed several unique feature sets and UI paradigms, the basic way the whole package works is fundamentally similar to -- and can be traced back to -- the first iPhone.

      and they have since totally disrupted and recreated the entire smartphone market.

      Apple has always remained a small player in the smartphone market, so they neither "disrupted" nor "recreated" it.

      That's not a valid line of reasoning. You can disrupt and recreate a market without subsequently dominating it for a long time. The available Android and Windows Phone devices are very competitive offerings. Still, as stated above, they're fundamentally similar to the original iPhone in many ways. As an indication you can just look at the way mobile browsers have developed. Until 2007 they were tiny, clunky apps that nobody used. After 2007, everybody scrambled to make their browser work like the iPhone's. There is a reason why e.g. Opera basically pulled their browser from the market and started laboring internally for one or two years. There is a reason why Microsoft essentially terminated their entire mobile OS line, which had been quite successful previously, and started working on a new one. There was a smartphone market before the initial iPhone, and then there was a very different smartphone market after the initial iPhone. That's what constitutes the market "disruption" and "recreation".

    9. Re:Terminology by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      No. I owned a Palm Pilot. It was a very different device from an iPhone. There was nothing like the app store either. OTOH, all current smartphones, including Android and Windows Phone offerings, aren't very different devices from an iPhone. Even though those devices have developed several unique feature sets and UI paradigms, the basic way the whole package works is fundamentally similar to -- and can be traced back to -- the first iPhone.

      Why not trace it back further?

      The iPhone may have been the first phone with an "app store", but it actually came from the third parties first, not apple. An app store, i.e. curated easily installable third party programs is really traced back to Linux distros. Probably debian.

      And the icon grid look with apps on a phone? That was done first by AT&T in their "boradband phone" project in the late 90's.

      http://www.xorl.org/people/njh/bpstory/

      This phone in particular has a quite familiar look:

      http://www.xorl.org/people/krw/ipaqalone.jpg

      but is much older than the iPhone. And yeah it is a phone since it can make voice calls.

      The iPhone was influential and perhaps the first widely known example. The operation of modern devices has a much longer history than the iPhone, and you are doing a real disservice to the early pioneers to claim otherwise.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    10. Re:Terminology by stenvar · · Score: 0

      No. I owned a Palm Pilot. It was a very different device from an iPhone. There was nothing like the app store either

      Palm had third party app stores. The Danger Hiptop had a built-in app store just like the iPhone. Some of those people went on to do Android.

      Still, as stated above, they're fundamentally similar to the original iPhone in many ways.

      That's because the iPhone was fundamentally similar to their common ancestors. And since Android has come out, Apple has clearly directly copied many features from Android.

    11. Re:Terminology by Xylantiel · · Score: 1

      No. I owned a Palm Pilot. It was a very different device from an iPhone.

      Of course... it had a resistive touchscreen. Modern smartphones are capacative touchscreen devices. That is THE difference between smartphones available from the late '90's through late 00's and current-day smartphones. There are plenty of previous examples of things like the app store. Most of the "innovative" UI interactions that people like you credit to Apple are just things that work on capacative touchscreens but not on resistive ones. Have you every tried swipe-based gestures on a resistive touchscreen? It just doesn't work. Also, no mult-touch on resistive touchscreens.

      I give big credit to Apple for being the first to get a capacitve touchscreen phone to market, and making it a really quality product at the same time. That is really hard. But the "revolutionary" thing has nothing to do with apple - it is the capacative touchscreen and the low-power portable hardware.

    12. Re: Terminology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As NOBODY ever heard of these devices, they are essentially irrelevant. The point is still valid. The iPhone disrupted the market, destroyed all former leading companies in the mobile market (MS WinMo, Nokia, Symbian, Blackberry, Palm, Danger, et ) and redefined the smartphone. If you like that or not is irrelevant.

  9. Steve Jobs was a complete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...cunt. I don't know why people revere this workplace bully so much.

    1. Re:Steve Jobs was a complete... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      ...cunt. I don't know why people revere this workplace bully so much.

      It's like bungee jumping or sky-diving or even dating the most hot-ass babe on campus: It can be exhilarating and fun when you are young and full of energy, ego, guts, gambling, hormones, and you are a bit naive.

      But after a while it takes its toll and it's time to move on to something more sane.

    2. Re:Steve Jobs was a complete... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      ...cunt. I don't know why people revere this workplace bully so much.

      And Winston Churchilll was an alcoholic lush. And Ben Franklin was a lecher. Do not care.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    3. Re:Steve Jobs was a complete... by multi+io · · Score: 2

      ...cunt. I don't know why people revere this workplace bully so much.

      He isn't "revered" for his being a "workplace bully", he is revered because of the change he affected -- which is probably more than almost all the other "workplace bullies" combined. There are millions of workplace bullies, but only one of them pulled off the -- in all likelihood -- greatest commercial comeback of the last 50 years, and initiated several breakthrough products in the process. All those attributes make the "workplace bully" attribute proportionally less relevant.

    4. Re:Steve Jobs was a complete... by vakuona · · Score: 2

      Steve Jobs pushed his employees hard. He knew they could give him more. They also hardly ever left.

      It's too easy to sensationalise the pushy side of the man, but the fact was that he was honest enough to tell them when he thought what they were doing wasn't good enough, maybe too forcefully at times, but honest nonetheless.

      Maybe Blackberry would be different if they took the same approach. Could Steve Jobs have been nicer? Yes, but sometimes the CEO needs to be the CEO and not your friend.

  10. Golden Path by ad5mqesj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know why this surprises anyone. EVERYTHING I have ever designed had to be demoed before it was ready, sometimes a year or more before it was ready. Usually we could arrange to have the actual engineers (me or someone on my team) do the demo, and we always tred to practice to insure we could demo only things that worked. When the boss had to do the demo we always had extensive rehearsals, and emphasized that he must perform the steps exactly as we practiced or bad things would likely happen. On some projects hardware was so late we had to build simulators and hide them under the table so the software would have something to control/monitor. I believe this sort of demo is very common in any sort of R&D environment including big name companies demoing new products/technologies for the first time. Every demo of an early prototype will crash or show unexpected behavior at some point during the demo, the key to the impression it makes is how well the demonstrator handles the issue - getting mad in a public demo is never a good idea. Usually you just tell someone else to file a bug report, and move on - explaining that there is, of course, still some polishing to do; or use it as an opportunity to explain the way you work with customers to resolve such issues - leaving the impression that you engineered the failure in order to fit that topic in to the presentation. My ex boss was a master of that technique. Even in my current job where my products are for internal use I am frequently asked for demos before products are ready, the difference being I don't have to offer smooth explanations when things go wrong, usually I just have to offer an estimate of when it might be done.

    1. Re:Golden Path by drooling-dog · · Score: 1

      I have no problem with even totally canned demos, as long as everything works as promised when the product ships. A "premature demo" can still be valuable for demonstrating product concept and eliciting user input. Interest will fall off if the lag between demo and shipping is too long, however.

    2. Re:Golden Path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can we take up a collection to buy this guy a fucking paragraph tag?

    3. Re:Golden Path by n7ytd · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the dog and pony show, with super glued, hand-built prototypes and fake UI screens. The real danger is always in management, who must think, "hey, we saw it working last week, why do these eggheads say they need more time now? What's left to do?"

    4. Re:Golden Path by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is why there are specific kind of demos where you don't want everything going smooth, or at the very least, you make something obviously unfinished. I've gone as far as making my UI uglier for a demo: People thought they were funding UI improvements, when in reality we just needed a whole lot more investment in the backend to support realistic loads effectively. Otherwise, the app would have looked ready to go, but fail miserably when in production.

  11. The Office doesn't play by RITjobbie · · Score: 1

    I just rewatched Steve's iPhone demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_m2F_ph_uU

    When he clicks on The Office and says, "Let's watch a TV show", Pirates of the Caribbean plays.

    1. Re: The Office doesn't play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      this video is edited most likely to get ad views. in the full version the office plays, then he clicks the movie. use your brain if this actually happened it would have been noticed.

  12. iPhone by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    The next chapter in the The Time Traveling Adventures of Reginald Smitherington, Klutz: In Reginald's previous episode he dropped in on Preston Tucker and helped him with the debut of his revolutionary car, mistakenly connecting the fuel line to the distributor and starting a fire.

    This time Reginald helps Steve Jobs improve upon his perfectly assembled and functioning mobile phone, by introducing some last minute code, to make the presentation even more spiffy...

    --

    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
  13. The thing is, it wasn't a flaming disaster by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    never flaming disasters carefully masked.

    It wasn't a flaming disaster though, just a lot of components that all worked pretty well already, but very very unstable - especially in combination.

    That is very, very far in the live demo world from a "flaming disaster". Flaming disaster would have been a browser that could only parse simple HTML, mail client that ate emails, phone that failed to dial ever, etc.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:The thing is, it wasn't a flaming disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flaming disaster would have been a browser that could only parse simple HTML, mail client that ate emails, phone that failed to dial ever, etc.

      Oh, like the original iPhone then.

    2. Re:The thing is, it wasn't a flaming disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Flaming disaster would have been a browser that could only parse simple HTML, mail client that ate emails, phone that failed to dial ever, etc.

      Or a demo supposed to show how well your new OS supports USB - and that OS bombing when you first plug in a USB device.

  14. Re: The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Android phone riddled with malware and spyware? Not my experience. Are you just typing in the garbage you're paid to type in?

  15. Not very inflexible at all by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    But considering how inflexible the first version of the OS was, not impossible.

    If you look at the jailbreaking stuff from launch time though, the platform itself was not really inflexible at all. Many of the classes iOS developers know and use today were there at launch. The device itself have a limited set of applications but underneath it really was running a scaled down OSX and using ObjectiveC for applications just as the desktop did...

    I totally agree with you on the need for groups to be able to work together being a reason why the announced it so far ahead of launch (comparatively). They got it as far as they could (really farther) with the left hand not being able to know what the right was doing.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  16. Intense Focus is not Pricktitude by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People who are dicks are dicks no matter what you are doing.

    People with intense focus are only dicks if you are getting something wrong.

    There is a big difference - and the reason why people were willing to work so hard for jobs where no-one would ever work that hard for a real dick.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Intense Focus is not Pricktitude by narcc · · Score: 0

      no-one would ever work that hard for a real dick.

      I don't know about that. I've met Apple fanboys...

    2. Re:Intense Focus is not Pricktitude by Anarchduke · · Score: 1

      I don't think he said "would suck" I thought he said "would work with"

      --
      who prays for Satan? Who in 18 centuries has had the humanity to pray for the 1 sinner that needed it most? ~Mark Twain
    3. Re:Intense Focus is not Pricktitude by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intense focus is no excuse. Tell me I've fucked up and I'll apologize. Yell at me that I've fucked up and I knock your fucking
      teeth out.

    4. Re:Intense Focus is not Pricktitude by Wovel · · Score: 1

      So you have very little self control. In that case, it is likely you would have been fired long before it came to that. In fact, it is unlikely you would have been hired to begin with.

  17. Re:The Story of Windows Phone by SternisheFan · · Score: 0, Redundant

    And how much is MS paying you per comment? Man, that was so blatant a shill comment, even I had no problem seeing through it! Why not just have your employer take out an ad on Slashdot same as Android Nexus???

  18. still want that by Tablizer · · Score: 0

    When the finale came -- and it worked along with every [app] before it...

    Gee, the demo's still better than the real thing 6 years later.

  19. Re:The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shameless. Shill. Shit. Microsoft Phone - more of the same.

  20. The beginning of the end by guytoronto · · Score: 1

    And it all lead to that moment Steve Jobs announced the iPhone to the world, and started the downward fall of Blackberry.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/the-inside-story-of-why-blackberry-is-failing/article14563602/?page=all

  21. Haven't we all faked demos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know I've written versions of software which were more like slideshows, so that a salesman could demonstraite the look and feel of something before it was complete.

  22. shockingly buggy??? by sribe · · Score: 1, Troll

    Jobs got through a long and involved demo without a crash nor even a glitch. Compare this to so many Microsoft presentations, where you know good and damned well they put every bit as much effort into finding a "golden path" for the demo, but it crashes ANYWAY!

    1. Re:shockingly buggy??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means someone worked their tail off the night before the demo....

  23. Re:The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been skeptical of Windows Phone over the years. As a former iPhone user, I was afraid of vendor lock-in that happens with all of Apple's products, and I wanted something robust that was more than a toy. I switched to Android phones but I am getting tired of the fragmentation and slow interface. I am currently dealing with tons of spyware on my Android phone. The phone was top of the line with my carrier just eighteen months ago, but it no longer receives updates. Worse, it is littered with malware and spyware, a common occurrence in the Android world per the testimony of my acquaintances. Now it looks like GMail is spying on my email through what Google calls "targeted advertising." Enough!

    Luckily I am due for an upgrade soon. I have been to a local phone store to try out all of the phones, and the ones that really impressed me were the Microsoft Lumia Windows Phones. Not only were they built with the highest quality materials, but the interface is phenominally clean and quick. There are live tiles which allow information to flow to my home screen without wasting space or causing clutter. Sure, the Microsoft Application Store is young and may not have 500,000 apps, but it's quality, not quantity that I'm worried about. I just need about a dozen or so well written programs to conduct my daily business. Windows Phone is the fastest growing smartphone percentage wise, so the app store will only get better. Plus, I look forward to being able to edit my documents on the fly with Microsoft Office on the way in to work. With a trusted name like Microsoft and Outlook.com, I also don't have to worry about being "Scroogled" and having my personal email targeted for advertisements.

    I can't wait to join the growing number of smartphone users who are making the switch to Windows Phone. Windows Phone 8 is a great OS that provides excellent value for money. I would recommend this phone to everyone. If you value privacy and quality, Windows Phone is the way of the future!

    why i keep seeing this same kind of comments in every forum ? saying that the poster moved from iphone/android because of something and finds out that windows phone is perfect substitute, praising windows phone and the ecosystem , down playing the lack luster MS apps store and overly praising microsoft / being an apologist for microsoft.. is this a scripted post made by bots ?

    personally i used iPhone 4 and when it was stolen i replaced it with cheapo Lumia 710 (ok phone with very bad battery life) and now moved on to Lumia 920 (great phone , loved it). i like the WP OS but im not delusional enough to say that it is the best mobile OS compared to iOS or Android....

    my next phone will be iPhone 5s..

  24. Overtime by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

    What disappoints me about all the stories of Jobs's excellence is it's apparent that, because I'm unable (and unwilling) to work 80 hours per week, I'll never be part of something amazing. Seems like no one has ever taken their kids to soccer practice *and* changed the world.

    1. Re:Overtime by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Steve didn't work 80 hours per week and took his kids to soccer practice. The engineers, on the other hand, certainly did.

      So if you want to change the world and still get the kids to soccer practice, don't be an engineer at Apple.

    2. Re:Overtime by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Steve didn't work 80 hours per week and took his kids to soccer practice.

      Nope - The fact that he put work before family was well-documented. He was a lousy father.

      http://www.metroparent.com/Blogs/Views-on-the-News/October-2011/Steve-Jobs-Big-Fail-as-Father/

    3. Re:Overtime by vakuona · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Welcome to the real world, where the tradeoffs are real.

    4. Re:Overtime by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Seems like no one has ever taken their kids to soccer practice *and* changed the world.

      Ironically, one of the very first public sightings of the iPhone (if not the very first one) was Steve Jobs using it at his kids' soccer game awhile before the public release.

    5. Re:Overtime by dwightk · · Score: 1

      Seems like no one has ever taken their kids to soccer practice *and* changed the world.

      Tell that to Lionel Messi's parents

      --
      Like anyone can even know that
  25. Jobs was an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being an asshole gets you dead - early. Good riddance.

    1. Re: Jobs was an asshole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would mean you will be dead next week. Good riddance.

  26. iPhone mini by afgam28 · · Score: 1

    Jon Rubinstein, Apple’s top hardware executive at the time, says there were even long discussions about how big the phone would be. “I was actually pushing to do two sizes — to have a regular iPhone and an iPhone mini like we had with the iPod. I thought one could be a smartphone and one could be a dumber phone. But we never got any traction on the small one, and in order to do one of these projects, you really need to put all your wood behind one arrow.”

    Wow, they really need to revisit this idea now. The world has changed since 2007, and Apple now has a lot more money, resources and competition from a range of Android phones, big and small. I personally prefer the "small" 4 inch screens, but I know that most of the market wants gigantic phablets. It made sense back in 2007 to have all the wood behind one arrow, but now they've just got all their eggs in one basket.

  27. I resent Apple. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I blame them for the smartphone-fueled dumbing of the world, and I blame them for the tablet fueled dumbing of PCs. Both are 'innovations' by apple.

  28. Re:The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was likely well played sarcasm, aspie.

  29. Finish up and leave by Animats · · Score: 1

    I know one of the engineers who worked on that. He was a quiet, competent guy, and didn't like being screamed at by Jobs. He quit right after the iPhone shipped.

  30. Re:The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. aspie

    An aspie is one who has Asperger's Syndrome, which is believed to be part of the autism spectrum. Aspies, while being quite gifted verbally, have social, emotional, and sensory integration difficulties, among others. Aspie is an affectionate term, and is not meant as a put down.

    My son is an aspie, so he's not so great at making idle chit chat at parties, or even at being in crowds, but he can get us home from anywhere. He says he just consults the map in his brain.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aspie

  31. Re: The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not my experience. Are you just typing in the garbage you're paid to type in?

    Yes, they are.

    Social Media Marketing companies like Burson Marsteller, Waggener Edstrom and others have teams posting FUD and moderating in all tech sites on behalf of Apple, Microsoift, Facebook etc.

    And you're right:

    "Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware
    Until now, Google hasn’t talked about malware on Android because it did not have the data or analytic platform to back its security claims. But that changed dramatically today when Google’s Android Security chief Adrian Ludwig reported data showing that less than an estimated 0.001% of app installations on Android are able to evade the system’s multi-layered defenses and cause harm to users. Android, built on an open innovation model, has quietly resisted the locked down, total control model spawned by decades of Windows malware. "
    http://qz.com/131436/contrary-to-what-youve-heard-android-is-almost-impenetrable-to-malware/

    Of course, Slashdot doen't consider this news bcause it's sponsors haven't paid it to.

  32. When someone treats me like that. by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    I pick up all my toys and go home. I never have and never will need a job that bad.

  33. Re: The Story of Windows Phone by Sockatume · · Score: 0

    So for every 100,000 apps (all apps, if I'm reading that right) on Android, there's one that is able to breach security? Just how few apps does Android have that this is a good figure? ;)

    --
    No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
  34. No self respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ""You are [expletive] up my company," or, "If we fail, it will be because of you." He was just very intense. And you would always feel an inch tall.'""

    Seriously, anyone continuing to work for a boss like this has no self respect and/or has sold their soul to the devil for stock options.

  35. Re: The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read the linked article.

  36. Re:The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why i keep seeing this same kind of comments in every forum ?

    Because they successfully generate a metric fuckton of anti-MS posts.

  37. Guess where I'm reading this by xhgcqreq · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    "The story was that Steve wanted a device that he could use to read e-mail while on the toilet — that was the extent of the product spec".

    I had no idea I was taking part in such an important use case.

  38. Re: The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is only on retarded asshole right now : YOU.

    STFU AND GTFO.

  39. Should vs. Will by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    If you're making anything more than a quick, throwaway prototype it shouldn't be riddled with so many bugs that it'll cause months of additional work

    If you're making anything of any complexity it WILL be riddled with lots of bugs well before release. As it was, it didn't seem to cause "months of additional work" because the work that was done after was the work that was simply required to finish.

    You are living in a dream if you think you can develop a product without at some stages having a lot of bugs.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  40. Re: The Story of Windows Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    wow, you sure sound like a nice person.