You're changing your claim as to what the debate was about, so in your delusional little world, it looks like you won. I never said the "indestructible rootkit" was actually indestructible, so claiming that I was wrong when I did is simply a straw man. That's not winning an argument; that's being a douche, which I believe I may have called you at some point.
My problem with your randomly capitalized, scatterbrained posts is that you claimed rootkits (not this particular rootkit, but rootkits in general) could be removed with Process Explorer when other tools fail. Yes, you also included Recovery Console in there, but you stated "removed" with Process Explorer. Afterwards you modified this to be "mopped up" with Process Explorer. (hmmmm... changing the terms of the argument again. Seems to be something you do a lot of. Terrified of losing, maybe?) You then went on to claim that an partially automated tool that I wrote to do this kind of removal was unnecessary, because your manual method worked. You might as well say that GPS is unnecessary, because you can read a map to figure out where you're going. Or cars are unnecessary, because you can get where you're going on a horse.
This particular rootkit could be removed using your modified method (NOT your original method, mind you), although many can't. The ONLY rootkits this method can remove are ones that use a windows driver to hide the rootkit components. Boot sector rootkits, BIOS rootkits and more do not use this method for hiding, and CANNOT be removed by your method. I seem to remember telling you this in the conversation 18 months ago, which you promptly ignored with your "I completely SMOKED some weed...errr...you IN that ARGUMENT!!1!11!eleventy!1!11!!" posts. I'm not going to bother looking it up, because your childish, simpleton arguments are not worth any more of my time.
Pretend you won the debate if you want, and maybe in your universe you did. But in this reality, you were beaten, badly, and you just refuse to admit it.
The totality of mass murders committed with guns, or even the totality of gun crime, doesn't equal the totality of all violent crime.
I'm not refuting or supporting your argument, or the post you responded to, but you're both using completely different measurements to back up your point.
Really? You're still going on about an argument you lost badly nearly a year an a half ago?
Since you keep harping on this insistence that you didn't say something you blatantly did, here are your exact words:
P.S.=> Besides, there isn't a botnet (or even ROOTKIT) I can't deal with effectively for removal anyhow - & I don't use the same tools others do...
Well, @ first I do, & when those fail? Out come the "big guns" in Process Explorer & Recovery Console - & there's nothing I can't "dust" between them...... apk
You directly say you use Process Explorer to get rid of rootkits when other tools fail. It's not even implied. You said it, outright. Maybe you didn't mean it (although I think you did, because instead of clarifying what you said, you've instead tried desperately to state that you didn't, in fact, say it), but there's no question you said it.
So why don't you take your damaged brain back to whatever warped reality you reside in when you're not trolling slashdot, and lick your wounds. Make sure they're all healed, because next time they'll be much deeper.....
And you're obviously apk trying (and doing a REALLY poor job) to pretend that you're somebody else that's agreeing with apk.
That's why you never log in, isn't it? Because it would be blatantly obvious if you accidentally posted a "APK asked you a question which you ran away from, STUPID TROLL!" comment under your apk account.
You think this way makes it impossible to tell, but there's only one poster on/. that has your arrogant, abusive posting style, so it's pretty obvious that you're apk, and you're attempting to fake many AC posters that "agree" with you to put on appearances of this mass horde of people that, by agreeing with you, means you must be correct.
So not only are you pathetically faking supporters, demonstrating a perfect example of an appeal to the majority fallacy, but since even in your deluded little world, they're all ACs, you're also committing a false attribution fallacy in your arguments.
Grow up. Nobody really gives a shit what you say. Although you are funny to read sometimes, what with your frothing-at-the-mouth verbiage.....
I don't get what people are complaining about, except that it's CHAAANGE!
Change to actually improve something is good, but this appears to be change for the sake of change, which is nothing but stupid makework shit that makes PHBs feel good and have points to put on their bonus-justifying PowerPoint presentations.
That's a post by an AC, claiming to be APK. That's not somebody defending APK with a logged in account. Maybe you need to learn to read, rather than me....
Unless APK's/your questions are directed at the entire world (which, given his/your level of delusion, wouldn't surprise me) then who asked the question is completely irrelevant. It's who it was asked *of* that matters, as that was what Mr. AC-defender-of-APK stated.
If you can wrap your brain around reality for a few minutes, you'll notice that slashdot locks discussions, preventing any new replies after the story's been posted for a few weeks. Not exactly sure how long it is, but it's not forever.
When I went back to read your delusional response to my last post, the discussion was locked, and I couldn't reply.
But that would interfere with your delusions of grandeur, so you'd never admit to it, even if you knew that happened.
Interestingly, nobody else seems to have problems finding the words that I *didn't* put in your mouth, because you *did* actually say them. It's only in your alternate reality that you didn't.
If you read a few posts back in this thread, you'll see the context is that some theoretical malware is on the target's PC, which then sends the email to the target, attempting to get the target to infect their own PC. That's what I was responding to.
Having said that, with your explanation, I haven't yet seen a webmail interface that allows you to change the From: header. You'd have to have access to an SMTP server somewhere, hacked or otherwise, to send the actual email from.
So removing windowing, and requiring all programs to be full screen, so only able to run one program at a time, is an improvement to you? This is Windows 1.01 level technology, not an improvement on Windows 7.
If you use a computer like a 3 year old, then Windows 8 is perfect. That includes splashy, bright coloured interfaces, and chunky buttons big enough that someone lacking good fine motor control can still click on them.
For anybody who actually uses a computer like an adult, though, it sucks rocks.
You're replying to an AC. How would you know APK asked that question of him? Speaking of which...I love how EVERY single post that backs up APK by pointing out "avoided questions" that people didn't answer, is posted by an AC,just like APK himself. Here's a hint, APK: Just because somevody didn't answer your "question" doesn't mean they're avoiding it. Maybe it's just such a stupid, rambling question that it doesn't deserve an answer, or it's so fscking obvious to those of us *without* extreme ADHD that the rest of us assume that it's rhetorical....
What's the point of sending an email link to a computer that's already compromised? The attacker doesn't need to social engineer the user into trusting the email. Their computer is already owned by the attacker. Just tell your malware program to download and run whatever you want. No user involved.
More telling is that in this age of smartphones, there is not ONE image/video of the vaunted Iron Dome? We had more videos of Patriot launches 20 years ago.
I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but this is as much for others who are reading. Youtube is loaded with videos of Iron Dome in action. Pretty awesome show to watch, if you ask me. Especially for some technology that Mr. AC assures us doesn't exist....
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Oh...I see what you're doing now:
You're changing your claim as to what the debate was about, so in your delusional little world, it looks like you won.
I never said the "indestructible rootkit" was actually indestructible, so claiming that I was wrong when I did is simply a straw man. That's not winning an argument; that's being a douche, which I believe I may have called you at some point.
My problem with your randomly capitalized, scatterbrained posts is that you claimed rootkits (not this particular rootkit, but rootkits in general) could be removed with Process Explorer when other tools fail. Yes, you also included Recovery Console in there, but you stated "removed" with Process Explorer. Afterwards you modified this to be "mopped up" with Process Explorer. (hmmmm... changing the terms of the argument again. Seems to be something you do a lot of. Terrified of losing, maybe?)
You then went on to claim that an partially automated tool that I wrote to do this kind of removal was unnecessary, because your manual method worked. You might as well say that GPS is unnecessary, because you can read a map to figure out where you're going. Or cars are unnecessary, because you can get where you're going on a horse.
This particular rootkit could be removed using your modified method (NOT your original method, mind you), although many can't.
The ONLY rootkits this method can remove are ones that use a windows driver to hide the rootkit components. Boot sector rootkits, BIOS rootkits and more do not use this method for hiding, and CANNOT be removed by your method.
I seem to remember telling you this in the conversation 18 months ago, which you promptly ignored with your "I completely SMOKED some weed...errr...you IN that ARGUMENT!!1!11!eleventy!1!11!!" posts. I'm not going to bother looking it up, because your childish, simpleton arguments are not worth any more of my time.
Pretend you won the debate if you want, and maybe in your universe you did. But in this reality, you were beaten, badly, and you just refuse to admit it.
When your "lock" consists of a lever with a little sign saying "push this lever if you're supposed to be here" you might as well leave it unlocked....
The totality of mass murders committed with guns, or even the totality of gun crime, doesn't equal the totality of all violent crime.
I'm not refuting or supporting your argument, or the post you responded to, but you're both using completely different measurements to back up your point.
Really? You're still going on about an argument you lost badly nearly a year an a half ago?
Since you keep harping on this insistence that you didn't say something you blatantly did, here are your exact words:
P.S.=> Besides, there isn't a botnet (or even ROOTKIT) I can't deal with effectively for removal anyhow - & I don't use the same tools others do...
Well, @ first I do, & when those fail? Out come the "big guns" in Process Explorer & Recovery Console - & there's nothing I can't "dust" between them... ... apk
They're from this post:
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2282088&cid=36618008
You directly say you use Process Explorer to get rid of rootkits when other tools fail. It's not even implied. You said it, outright. Maybe you didn't mean it (although I think you did, because instead of clarifying what you said, you've instead tried desperately to state that you didn't, in fact, say it), but there's no question you said it.
So why don't you take your damaged brain back to whatever warped reality you reside in when you're not trolling slashdot, and lick your wounds. Make sure they're all healed, because next time they'll be much deeper.....
And you're obviously apk trying (and doing a REALLY poor job) to pretend that you're somebody else that's agreeing with apk.
That's why you never log in, isn't it? Because it would be blatantly obvious if you accidentally posted a "APK asked you a question which you ran away from, STUPID TROLL!" comment under your apk account.
You think this way makes it impossible to tell, but there's only one poster on /. that has your arrogant, abusive posting style, so it's pretty obvious that you're apk, and you're attempting to fake many AC posters that "agree" with you to put on appearances of this mass horde of people that, by agreeing with you, means you must be correct.
So not only are you pathetically faking supporters, demonstrating a perfect example of an appeal to the majority fallacy, but since even in your deluded little world, they're all ACs, you're also committing a false attribution fallacy in your arguments.
Grow up. Nobody really gives a shit what you say. Although you are funny to read sometimes, what with your frothing-at-the-mouth verbiage.....
I don't get what people are complaining about, except that it's CHAAANGE!
Change to actually improve something is good, but this appears to be change for the sake of change, which is nothing but stupid makework shit that makes PHBs feel good and have points to put on their bonus-justifying PowerPoint presentations.
Funny. If I'd been drinking, I'd have spit rum all over my keyboard....
That's a post by an AC, claiming to be APK. That's not somebody defending APK with a logged in account.
Maybe you need to learn to read, rather than me....
Unless APK's/your questions are directed at the entire world (which, given his/your level of delusion, wouldn't surprise me) then who asked the question is completely irrelevant. It's who it was asked *of* that matters, as that was what Mr. AC-defender-of-APK stated.
I didn't run.
If you can wrap your brain around reality for a few minutes, you'll notice that slashdot locks discussions, preventing any new replies after the story's been posted for a few weeks. Not exactly sure how long it is, but it's not forever.
When I went back to read your delusional response to my last post, the discussion was locked, and I couldn't reply.
But that would interfere with your delusions of grandeur, so you'd never admit to it, even if you knew that happened.
Interestingly, nobody else seems to have problems finding the words that I *didn't* put in your mouth, because you *did* actually say them. It's only in your alternate reality that you didn't.
If you read a few posts back in this thread, you'll see the context is that some theoretical malware is on the target's PC, which then sends the email to the target, attempting to get the target to infect their own PC.
That's what I was responding to.
Having said that, with your explanation, I haven't yet seen a webmail interface that allows you to change the From: header. You'd have to have access to an SMTP server somewhere, hacked or otherwise, to send the actual email from.
I bet there'll be a bunch listed on real estate sites at firesale prices starting Dec 22.
Works just like Windows 7, other than the start menu is completely gone.
It means you don't use your computer for anything serious.
So removing windowing, and requiring all programs to be full screen, so only able to run one program at a time, is an improvement to you?
This is Windows 1.01 level technology, not an improvement on Windows 7.
No...what recoiledsnake means is this:
If you use a computer like a 3 year old, then Windows 8 is perfect. That includes splashy, bright coloured interfaces, and chunky buttons big enough that someone lacking good fine motor control can still click on them.
For anybody who actually uses a computer like an adult, though, it sucks rocks.
Somebody set up us the bomb!
You're replying to an AC. How would you know APK asked that question of him?
Speaking of which...I love how EVERY single post that backs up APK by pointing out "avoided questions" that people didn't answer, is posted by an AC,just like APK himself.
Here's a hint, APK: Just because somevody didn't answer your "question" doesn't mean they're avoiding it. Maybe it's just such a stupid, rambling question that it doesn't deserve an answer, or it's so fscking obvious to those of us *without* extreme ADHD that the rest of us assume that it's rhetorical....
What? Obama works the porn site, now?!
What's the point of sending an email link to a computer that's already compromised?
The attacker doesn't need to social engineer the user into trusting the email. Their computer is already owned by the attacker. Just tell your malware program to download and run whatever you want. No user involved.
Just because it's a digital data recorder and it's mentioned on slashdot doesn't make it special.
But it's done with a computer. According to the patent office, and by extension the government, that makes it completely different....
You must be new here.
The official title of that section is:
OMG!!1!1! PONIES!!!!1!11!!!ONE!!1!
That would be a remarkable oversight on Onity's part.
So is having the unencrypted software keys accessible from the external service port. What's your point?
"Remarkable oversight" seems to be the company motto....
Bang for buck, maybe?
I still think AMD's got the edge, there.
More telling is that in this age of smartphones, there is not ONE image/video of the vaunted Iron Dome? We had more videos of Patriot launches 20 years ago.
I know we're not supposed to feed the trolls, but this is as much for others who are reading.
Youtube is loaded with videos of Iron Dome in action. Pretty awesome show to watch, if you ask me. Especially for some technology that Mr. AC assures us doesn't exist....