The guy didn't say that there would never be any new Nintendo hardware, just that he thought they should be aiming more for better games with current hardware rather than making new hardware at the rate of Sony or M$.
And, umh...sometimes you just have to read between the lines...take your pick...neither comment seems to be saying "Yea, we have a new system comming out soon".
It's also worth noting that this was actually in response to a question regarding the PS3 and Nintendo's possible plans for the future. So, in this context, maybe it makes more sense.
It's interesting. I havent heard much mention of it, but supposedly Hiroshi Yamauchi's replacement, Satoru Iwata stated in a press conference that...
"We can't be optimistic about the game market,"... "No matter what great product you come up with, people get bored. I feel like a chef cooking for a king who's full."
For anyone interested, it's on Page 26 of issue #112 of Game Informer (GameSpot's review mag)...
Not much mention of it otherwise, appearently they thought he was refering to the fact that M$ and Sony really aren't upgrading graphics or sound so much as making them "trojan horses" for downloadable media.
Nintendo isn't really leaving the market, just won't be developing new hardware all of the time.
Anyhow, now that it looks like Nintendo is voluntarilly getting out of the hardware race, wonder how this will effect Sony and M$ and moreso, who might take the "3rd spot"???
Most vendors will install Linux on a new system (IBM, Dell, HP/Compaq, etc). It sounds like you probably need RedHat, which just so happens to be the most widely used distro for pre-configured systems.
All you have to do is call one of those vendors (like Dell) and tell em what you need, and that you need Linux pre-installed and what you want with it. This is a pretty standard configuration for small (workstation class) servers. Anything bigger and you should really go with something like an RS/6000 which still has Linux support as well (if you don't wanna use AIX).
This is assuming that Linux was ever in competition with windoze. I think that's the first question you have to ask. Yes, there are some ppl that would prefer to have Linux on every desktop. Yes, a few of us with the know-how can get along without ever dealing with the BSOD. But, the fact remains, M$ is firmly entrenched in mainstream culture.
So, I ask again, when did this ever start? I think M$ likes the idea, because they want the server market. If M$ can skew "Linux not a good desktop OS" to "Linux is not a good OS", then they win big time. Well, I think it's painfully obvious that Linux is a good server OS and windoze is a desktop OS (good or not). In the end, there are specific functionalities of both that emphasize their own strengths and thus bring them further apart from the other.
I just want to say "me too" on the whole Amiga thing. I still have my Amiga, and it's still amazing how good the thing is (even a 14MHz EC020).
I think this is similar to what we Amiga users went through while C= still existed...but that's the point, now isn't it. It's similar, not identical.
See, I have already come to grips with the fact that every single vendor around today (Redhat, SUSE, etc) might go under, but the OS will continue. It's doubtful that the major distros won't at least have a "compatible" distro if they do "go under".
But, this is the difference...yes, it's always fun to argue about Linux vs. M$ with ppl that seem to have no clue, but it's doubtful that it will ever lead to as "dark" an end as the Classic Amiga.
Reading this you have to belive that they are just going to start telling nothing but lies and half-truths...I mean what Linux user can't take every one of those points and counter-point without thinking for a second.
They used to be able to bring up some valid points
Wonder why? Well, they're probably tired of having everything they say being thrown back in their face. So, they have decided they aren't going to win over the server room, and they are aiming for the business side.
This is probably preaching to the choir, but M$ rules through fear, and Linux has no "target"...What company do they aim for...Redhat? SUSE? IBM?.
This is what scares M$ the most...Linux can not "die"...even if they killed it today, it could come back anytime...even 10 years from now, stronger and better than ever.
I love it when I pick up a cheap case and it bends the board.
I've bought tons of "cheap cases" (probably not over 100, but at least 75)...and I've never found one that actually BENDS the motherboard...I guess if it had a hole slightly off center it could bend the board, but I've never seen it...especially if you're using the proper connectors...
I usually (I work in IT) spend around $100-$120
I do too, and I've never spent that much for a mid-tower, of course I've done 20 and 30 systems at a time, where it was much cheaper to build a couple of extras rather than get more expensive parts. And cheap does not always mean bad. The power supply in my $30 case is perfectly fine....especially when you buy a case with signifigantly more power than you need. I have a $50 case powering a Linux box and it's been on (constantly...only turned off to move) for 5 years. And as for "defectives cases", if you are buying from any reputable firm, they should replace those cases at no cost...or at least that's what the BBB says:)
For starters, my case has an Antec True 480W power supply.
Ok, my $30 case has a 450W power supply...you've got 30W on mine there...
Your $30 case probably has room for one, maybe two case fans.
2 fans (not including the power supply)...
My computers don't die, no matter how hot the summers get.
I didn't say anything about skimping on cooling...this case only has room for 2 fans that I see...and I haven't seen a system that needs more than 2 good case fans.
Your $30 case probably wouldn't hold half the motherboards I've got
It's a Mid-Tower case. And so is the "MacPC" case.
you get what you pay for.
And in this case you get "looks" and that's all...you either get more features or better quality at that price.
If you put down $60 for a motherboard, $20 for your RAM...
Agreed.
$30 for your case, I pity the stability of your computer.
Disagree.
My $30 case is similar to This One...which is all the quality you should expect from this system. If you need a better case, you should buy one, but this one offers nothing over my $30 case.
$150 spent on a graphics card might get you top FPS for a few months.
True, but $150 spent on a better motherboard will go alot further than a few months.
$150 on a decent case will last you the rest of your ATX sized upgrades, and save you a LOT of pain if you go inside your machine a fair bit.
Agreed, but that is an argument for a highly functional case, not this one which seems less functional than even a standard case since you have to be careful not to crack the case...
The thing is made out of plastic, not aluminium. It is not likely to hold up to constant upgrades as well as say an all aluminium case.
Dunno about you, but I think your $150 could be better spent than on a Mac case look-a-like. Even retail stores have half-way decent cases for ~$30. Oh, I guess if you're the kind of person that'ld want to put a window in their harddrive or lights in their case, this might be right up your alley, but for the price difference, you could probably upgrade at least one of your major components (bigger harddrive, faster processor, better motherboard, faster graphics card, more memory, bigger monitor, etc).
Wand then again, none of your hardware (drives, fans, monitor, etc) is going to match the case. Look at that case and imagine a bunch of white/beige components in there (makes it look ugly, doesn't it)...
You aren't always guaranteed that someone else will pick it up.
Because we are talking about what would be refered to as a major version, I think in this case there is safety in numbers. Anyhow, does it really matter? Because, if it's not broke, don't fix it. You know I know some ppl that are still installing 1.0 kernels on certain systems...
Yes, at some point practically noone will be using any of the kernels that are out now. But, that is going to be a long time...
The main reason for all of this is that there are really 2 big ppl that use Linux...geeks (those most likely to spend time and effort to keep things working) and companies (those most likely to spend money to keep legacy systems working).
I hope you're right, because then the.gov will be forced to file an anti-trust suit against the cable companies.
You know, there's a reason why those laws exist, and yes, they have a history of "looking the other way", but the abundance of broadband is probably going to change the industry (not as much as HTML / HTTP), but when Joe Six Pack has broadband, it will probably prompt a major re-growth in the industry.
The funny thing is, not everyone has broadband right now...alot of/. users don't see this, because they hang around with other geeks that are more likely to have broadband.
When did you see a site that actually put the "power of broadband" to good use.
I don't know of many. Oh, we see a few things like higher bitrate streaming video or always-on apps, P2P, etc... But in general, the industry is still opperating at 56k...
And then again, I'm sure the DSL providers can't wait for this...most places that have Broadband Cable either have or are getting DSL. The biggest reason most ppl have gone with cable is the speed, but that can change. Free markets necessitate lower costs and higher quality over a period of time. It's just the way it works. So, if RR pisses off the 5% of their users that most likely bring about more than half of their business, then they will be forced to change policy or drop the service.
I have RR broadband, and I'm not worried in the slightest. If they become too "difficult", I'll jst switch to DSL/Wireless/etc...And I'll take all of my friends and family with me...
Mercedes has used some clips from it, I think Apple did too, I think there was also a clip from it on the Paramount 75th anniversary logo (one of the planes). In general, if you see an ad that switches over to a B&W image (obviously from an old movie) it's most likely Metropolis.
it was found that the longer people spent playing video games, the less activity they showed in the prefrontal region of their brains, which governs emotion and creativity.
I don't know about you, but I play games to escape. I use "emotion and creativity" in my everyday activity...generally the reason you want to escape is the "emotional" part...
Think about it..."I'm bored, I'll play a game"..."Wow, this new game is kewl, I've gotta play it" (read "this is much more interesting than my booring life")...Or even in some cases (GTA3, UT, Quake, etc) "I wanna kill something"
Most every game I play is either to "fix" an emotion (boredom, depression, etc) or to experience a "pleasurable" emotion (violence, acomplishment, etc)
brain activity in the people who continually played games did not recover in the periods when they weren't playing games...and later...
Beta wave activity in people in the videogame group, who spent between two and seven hours each day playing games, was constantly near zero even when they weren't playing, showing that they hardly used the prefrontal regions of their brains.
Yea, if you're spending 7 hours of your day doing *ANYTHING* it's gonna have a negative effect on you...it's the same reason noone wants a repetitive job.
Which makes me wonder, is this playing 1 game for 7 hours a day, or a variety of them over time???
Yes, we got it too... And interestingly enough, Warner Borthers is bringing back the Looney Tunes shorts and targeting it towards adults...there are also new movies in production...
Yes, every mac "comes standard with on." No, you don't have to use it (nor did you have to use the CLI). It's simply an app in the utilities subfolder of the Applications folder. Oh yeah, and unlike the Unix-like CLI, the mac terminal IS bsd unix. Where do you get this stuff?
I wasn't aware that OS X was being distributed with a Shell...I was told that it must be installed seprately...anyhow, OS X as you said is BSD. And the fact that the Amiga was "unix like" rather than UNIX didn't hurt it for all of those Amiga users.
I dunno, you can get a g4 mac with 17 inch monitor for under $1100. That's the same price as an A500 + 14inch monitor in 1989 dollars. It always amazes me that people keep spouting this stuff. Yeah, yeah...you can build your own PC for a few hundred less, but you could never do that with the Amiga.
Lets not compare it with the A500, compare it with an A1200. The A1200-HD could be had for well under the origonal price of the A500, and came with a harddrive. I think I bought my A1200-HD for $599 in '92, and you can't compare the price of a monitor (monitors get cheaper as time goes by). Compare it to what was available at the time...
And the monitor issue is interesting, as I belive that most Amiga monitors could be converted to a PC monitor using nothing but a $20 cable.
I think the truth of the matter is alot of the "last" Amiga users wanted to escape the propreitary hardware thing because they were looking at a proprietary platform with no real support. And lets not forget that M$ has backed Apple as well (which for some would be just as bad as going to Windoze)...
Of note though, I've noticed that the same types of folks that embraced the Amiga way back when, seem to be embracing Linux today. I'm not sure what that means.
I think it's fairly simple. Most Amiga users don't see M$ as a good choice of OS (for whatever reasons... evil, slow, poorly written, etc). In the mid 90's, after C= died (when alot of Amiga ppl left), there was only 1 popular alternative... MacOS.
Which meant buying a Mac and remaining tied to another proprietary hardware platform... and personally, MacOS has never seemed quite as powerful as AmigaOS. There's also the CLI (based on UNIX)...until recently, MacOS didn't have a command line and still doesn't come standard with one.
Also, alot of Amiga users already owned Macs for whatever reasons. And, quite a few also owned a PeeCee box as well. I think Linux was a choice because it was in the right place at the right time. X86 boxen were cheap (Macs are anything but), most Amiga users were already well versed in the basics of software development, Linux was not only good, but it was also cheap. Which was Jay Miner's origonal vision for the Amiga anyhow...
But, the AmigaOne is desigend to run the New AmigaOS, not Linux...
Linux is being used as the development OS for coding and hardware design (like the replacement firmware)...
So, in the end, only developers should be running Linux on the AmigaOne, and I'm sure that... as I said before... Amiga, Inc. doesn't want the new Amiga hardware to become a "cheap Linux PPC box".
Yes, there will definately be a Linux distro on whatever the new hardware ends up being... but looking at it from the side of Amiga, Inc., they don't want someone running Linux/MacOS on their system any more than Netpliance wanted ppl running Linux on their systems.
I was just pointing out that neither company wanted this to be happening.
Of course, I don't think it would decompress MP3's on the fly.
Oooh, how wrong you are on this one:)
There's a good CLI-based MP3 player for the Amiga called MPEGA. I think I had to combine to MONO to play back at 44/48Khz, but there is even a neat little "hack" for the Amiga called 14-bit dynamic sound. There are a couple of methods, but it gives the Amiga essentially 16-bit quality stereo sound by combining the 4 stereo channels into 2:) This happened a while after the death of C=, so it's certainly an excusable offence:)
more things should be on the motherboard these days
Agreed, but none of them should be "stealing" memory or clock cycles from the system:)
The great thing about the Amiga was that the performance of the system didn't rely solely on the CPU + MEM combo.
My 14MHz A-1200 still seems more responsive than even some high end wintel boxen. Now, I know the OS is partly to thank forthis, but the problem with modern wintel hardware is that everything is being designed to run off of the CPU...Softmodems, integrated video, sound, and even integrated IDE interfaces use the CPU and System Memory.
The Classic Amiga wasted as little CPU time on non-mathematical functions as possible. Which seems to be the exact opposite directon the wintel platform is going.
I looked all through the origonal poster's comment, and couldn't find anywhere that he implied the Amiga would "win".
The Amiga community (as well as the Mac community) realized along time ago that the Wintel platform will be on the top of the heap for along time to come.
But, that's not to say those "enlightened few" can't use the better hardware.
You know there is still a place the Amiga has stayed on top...brodacast video...
Don't get me wrong, this is kinda kewl and all, and assuming this isn't a fake (dunno why it would be)... Why would anyone want to buy an AmigaOne just to run MacOS???
Now, I realize that it is just another OS that will run on the hardware, but Apple has a much larger selection of hardware and then again, there is obviously going to be no support from either Amiga, Inc. or Apple. Both are proprietary hardware (how ever similar they may be) and will require support for things like new firmware, hardware, etc.
I'm sure you can expect both companies to attempt to make this next to impossible (Amiga, Inc. wants to sell their OS as much as Apple wants to sell their hardware)...
So, does it really matter that this works for now? This is likely to become something like the PS2 Linux Distro...nice, but not very widely used...
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The guy didn't say that there would never be any new Nintendo hardware, just that he thought they should be aiming more for better games with current hardware rather than making new hardware at the rate of Sony or M$.
And, umh...sometimes you just have to read between the lines...take your pick...neither comment seems to be saying "Yea, we have a new system comming out soon".
It's also worth noting that this was actually in response to a question regarding the PS3 and Nintendo's possible plans for the future. So, in this context, maybe it makes more sense.
It's interesting. I havent heard much mention of it, but supposedly Hiroshi Yamauchi's replacement, Satoru Iwata stated in a press conference that ...
... "No matter what great product you come up with, people get bored. I feel like a chef cooking for a king who's full."
"We can't be optimistic about the game market,"
For anyone interested, it's on Page 26 of issue #112 of Game Informer (GameSpot's review mag)...
Not much mention of it otherwise, appearently they thought he was refering to the fact that M$ and Sony really aren't upgrading graphics or sound so much as making them "trojan horses" for downloadable media.
Nintendo isn't really leaving the market, just won't be developing new hardware all of the time.
Anyhow, now that it looks like Nintendo is voluntarilly getting out of the hardware race, wonder how this will effect Sony and M$ and moreso, who might take the "3rd spot"???
Most vendors will install Linux on a new system (IBM, Dell, HP/Compaq, etc). It sounds like you probably need RedHat, which just so happens to be the most widely used distro for pre-configured systems.
All you have to do is call one of those vendors (like Dell) and tell em what you need, and that you need Linux pre-installed and what you want with it. This is a pretty standard configuration for small (workstation class) servers. Anything bigger and you should really go with something like an RS/6000 which still has Linux support as well (if you don't wanna use AIX).
This is assuming that Linux was ever in competition with windoze. I think that's the first question you have to ask. Yes, there are some ppl that would prefer to have Linux on every desktop. Yes, a few of us with the know-how can get along without ever dealing with the BSOD. But, the fact remains, M$ is firmly entrenched in mainstream culture.
So, I ask again, when did this ever start? I think M$ likes the idea, because they want the server market. If M$ can skew "Linux not a good desktop OS" to "Linux is not a good OS", then they win big time. Well, I think it's painfully obvious that Linux is a good server OS and windoze is a desktop OS (good or not). In the end, there are specific functionalities of both that emphasize their own strengths and thus bring them further apart from the other.
I just want to say "me too" on the whole Amiga thing. I still have my Amiga, and it's still amazing how good the thing is (even a 14MHz EC020).
I think this is similar to what we Amiga users went through while C= still existed...but that's the point, now isn't it. It's similar, not identical.
See, I have already come to grips with the fact that every single vendor around today (Redhat, SUSE, etc) might go under, but the OS will continue. It's doubtful that the major distros won't at least have a "compatible" distro if they do "go under".
But, this is the difference...yes, it's always fun to argue about Linux vs. M$ with ppl that seem to have no clue, but it's doubtful that it will ever lead to as "dark" an end as the Classic Amiga.
Reading this you have to belive that they are just going to start telling nothing but lies and half-truths...I mean what Linux user can't take every one of those points and counter-point without thinking for a second.
They used to be able to bring up some valid points
Wonder why? Well, they're probably tired of having everything they say being thrown back in their face. So, they have decided they aren't going to win over the server room, and they are aiming for the business side.
This is probably preaching to the choir, but M$ rules through fear, and Linux has no "target"...What company do they aim for...Redhat? SUSE? IBM?.
This is what scares M$ the most...Linux can not "die"...even if they killed it today, it could come back anytime...even 10 years from now, stronger and better than ever.
I love it when I pick up a cheap case and it bends the board.
:)
I've bought tons of "cheap cases" (probably not over 100, but at least 75)...and I've never found one that actually BENDS the motherboard...I guess if it had a hole slightly off center it could bend the board, but I've never seen it...especially if you're using the proper connectors...
I usually (I work in IT) spend around $100-$120
I do too, and I've never spent that much for a mid-tower, of course I've done 20 and 30 systems at a time, where it was much cheaper to build a couple of extras rather than get more expensive parts. And cheap does not always mean bad. The power supply in my $30 case is perfectly fine....especially when you buy a case with signifigantly more power than you need. I have a $50 case powering a Linux box and it's been on (constantly...only turned off to move) for 5 years. And as for "defectives cases", if you are buying from any reputable firm, they should replace those cases at no cost...or at least that's what the BBB says
Well, ok...mine has more fans too...but I'm talking about built-in case fans...
I can't really count those fans that clip on the side or hardddrive fans or even the ones that fit in a PCI slot.
Would you also argue that anyone spending $1000 on a leather couch is an idiot because you can buy cinderblocks and foam rubber mats for much less?
No, but I'ld argue that spending $1000 on cinderblocks and foam rubber mats covered with leather makes that person an idiot...
For starters, my case has an Antec True 480W power supply.
Ok, my $30 case has a 450W power supply...you've got 30W on mine there...
Your $30 case probably has room for one, maybe two case fans.
2 fans (not including the power supply)...
My computers don't die, no matter how hot the summers get.
I didn't say anything about skimping on cooling...this case only has room for 2 fans that I see...and I haven't seen a system that needs more than 2 good case fans.
Your $30 case probably wouldn't hold half the motherboards I've got
It's a Mid-Tower case. And so is the "MacPC" case.
you get what you pay for.
And in this case you get "looks" and that's all...you either get more features or better quality at that price.
If you put down $60 for a motherboard, $20 for your RAM...
Agreed.
$30 for your case, I pity the stability of your computer.
Disagree.
My $30 case is similar to This One...which is all the quality you should expect from this system. If you need a better case, you should buy one, but this one offers nothing over my $30 case.
$150 spent on a graphics card might get you top FPS for a few months.
True, but $150 spent on a better motherboard will go alot further than a few months.
$150 on a decent case will last you the rest of your ATX sized upgrades, and save you a LOT of pain if you go inside your machine a fair bit.
Agreed, but that is an argument for a highly functional case, not this one which seems less functional than even a standard case since you have to be careful not to crack the case...
The thing is made out of plastic, not aluminium. It is not likely to hold up to constant upgrades as well as say an all aluminium case.
Dunno about you, but I think your $150 could be better spent than on a Mac case look-a-like. Even retail stores have half-way decent cases for ~$30. Oh, I guess if you're the kind of person that'ld want to put a window in their harddrive or lights in their case, this might be right up your alley, but for the price difference, you could probably upgrade at least one of your major components (bigger harddrive, faster processor, better motherboard, faster graphics card, more memory, bigger monitor, etc).
Wand then again, none of your hardware (drives, fans, monitor, etc) is going to match the case. Look at that case and imagine a bunch of white/beige components in there (makes it look ugly, doesn't it)...
You aren't always guaranteed that someone else will pick it up.
Because we are talking about what would be refered to as a major version, I think in this case there is safety in numbers. Anyhow, does it really matter? Because, if it's not broke, don't fix it. You know I know some ppl that are still installing 1.0 kernels on certain systems...
Yes, at some point practically noone will be using any of the kernels that are out now. But, that is going to be a long time...
The main reason for all of this is that there are really 2 big ppl that use Linux...geeks (those most likely to spend time and effort to keep things working) and companies (those most likely to spend money to keep legacy systems working).
I hope you're right, because then the .gov will be forced to file an anti-trust suit against the cable companies.
/. users don't see this, because they hang around with other geeks that are more likely to have broadband.
You know, there's a reason why those laws exist, and yes, they have a history of "looking the other way", but the abundance of broadband is probably going to change the industry (not as much as HTML / HTTP), but when Joe Six Pack has broadband, it will probably prompt a major re-growth in the industry.
The funny thing is, not everyone has broadband right now...alot of
When did you see a site that actually put the "power of broadband" to good use.
I don't know of many. Oh, we see a few things like higher bitrate streaming video or always-on apps, P2P, etc... But in general, the industry is still opperating at 56k...
And then again, I'm sure the DSL providers can't wait for this...most places that have Broadband Cable either have or are getting DSL. The biggest reason most ppl have gone with cable is the speed, but that can change. Free markets necessitate lower costs and higher quality over a period of time. It's just the way it works. So, if RR pisses off the 5% of their users that most likely bring about more than half of their business, then they will be forced to change policy or drop the service.
I have RR broadband, and I'm not worried in the slightest. If they become too "difficult", I'll jst switch to DSL/Wireless/etc...And I'll take all of my friends and family with me...
Mercedes has used some clips from it, I think Apple did too, I think there was also a clip from it on the Paramount 75th anniversary logo (one of the planes). In general, if you see an ad that switches over to a B&W image (obviously from an old movie) it's most likely Metropolis.
Noone uses the Amiga :)
Isn't this why we play video games anyhow :)
...and later...
it was found that the longer people spent playing video games, the less activity they showed in the prefrontal region of their brains, which governs emotion and creativity.
I don't know about you, but I play games to escape. I use "emotion and creativity" in my everyday activity...generally the reason you want to escape is the "emotional" part...
Think about it..."I'm bored, I'll play a game"..."Wow, this new game is kewl, I've gotta play it" (read "this is much more interesting than my booring life")...Or even in some cases (GTA3, UT, Quake, etc) "I wanna kill something"
Most every game I play is either to "fix" an emotion (boredom, depression, etc) or to experience a "pleasurable" emotion (violence, acomplishment, etc)
brain activity in the people who continually played games did not recover in the periods when they weren't playing games
Beta wave activity in people in the videogame group, who spent between two and seven hours each day playing games, was constantly near zero even when they weren't playing, showing that they hardly used the prefrontal regions of their brains.
Yea, if you're spending 7 hours of your day doing *ANYTHING* it's gonna have a negative effect on you...it's the same reason noone wants a repetitive job.
Which makes me wonder, is this playing 1 game for 7 hours a day, or a variety of them over time???
Yes, we got it too ... And interestingly enough, Warner Borthers is bringing back the Looney Tunes shorts and targeting it towards adults...there are also new movies in production...
Yes, every mac "comes standard with on." No, you don't have to use it (nor did you have to use the CLI). It's simply an app in the utilities subfolder of the Applications folder. Oh yeah, and unlike the Unix-like CLI, the mac terminal IS bsd unix.
Where do you get this stuff?
I wasn't aware that OS X was being distributed with a Shell...I was told that it must be installed seprately...anyhow, OS X as you said is BSD. And the fact that the Amiga was "unix like" rather than UNIX didn't hurt it for all of those Amiga users.
I dunno, you can get a g4 mac with 17 inch monitor for under $1100. That's the same price as an A500 + 14inch monitor in 1989 dollars. It always amazes me that people keep spouting this stuff. Yeah, yeah...you can build your own PC for a few hundred less, but you could never do that with the Amiga.
Lets not compare it with the A500, compare it with an A1200. The A1200-HD could be had for well under the origonal price of the A500, and came with a harddrive. I think I bought my A1200-HD for $599 in '92, and you can't compare the price of a monitor (monitors get cheaper as time goes by). Compare it to what was available at the time...
And the monitor issue is interesting, as I belive that most Amiga monitors could be converted to a PC monitor using nothing but a $20 cable.
I think the truth of the matter is alot of the "last" Amiga users wanted to escape the propreitary hardware thing because they were looking at a proprietary platform with no real support. And lets not forget that M$ has backed Apple as well (which for some would be just as bad as going to Windoze)...
Of note though, I've noticed that the same types of folks that embraced the Amiga way back when, seem to be embracing Linux today. I'm not sure what that means.
... evil, slow, poorly written, etc). In the mid 90's, after C= died (when alot of Amiga ppl left), there was only 1 popular alternative ... MacOS.
... and personally, MacOS has never seemed quite as powerful as AmigaOS. There's also the CLI (based on UNIX)...until recently, MacOS didn't have a command line and still doesn't come standard with one.
I think it's fairly simple. Most Amiga users don't see M$ as a good choice of OS (for whatever reasons
Which meant buying a Mac and remaining tied to another proprietary hardware platform
Also, alot of Amiga users already owned Macs for whatever reasons. And, quite a few also owned a PeeCee box as well. I think Linux was a choice because it was in the right place at the right time. X86 boxen were cheap (Macs are anything but), most Amiga users were already well versed in the basics of software development, Linux was not only good, but it was also cheap. Which was Jay Miner's origonal vision for the Amiga anyhow...
But, the AmigaOne is desigend to run the New AmigaOS, not Linux...
... as I said before ... Amiga, Inc. doesn't want the new Amiga hardware to become a "cheap Linux PPC box".
... but looking at it from the side of Amiga, Inc., they don't want someone running Linux/MacOS on their system any more than Netpliance wanted ppl running Linux on their systems.
Linux is being used as the development OS for coding and hardware design (like the replacement firmware)...
So, in the end, only developers should be running Linux on the AmigaOne, and I'm sure that
Yes, there will definately be a Linux distro on whatever the new hardware ends up being
I was just pointing out that neither company wanted this to be happening.
Of course, I don't think it would decompress MP3's on the fly.
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:) This happened a while after the death of C=, so it's certainly an excusable offence :)
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Oooh, how wrong you are on this one
There's a good CLI-based MP3 player for the Amiga called MPEGA. I think I had to combine to MONO to play back at 44/48Khz, but there is even a neat little "hack" for the Amiga called 14-bit dynamic sound. There are a couple of methods, but it gives the Amiga essentially 16-bit quality stereo sound by combining the 4 stereo channels into 2
more things should be on the motherboard these days
Agreed, but none of them should be "stealing" memory or clock cycles from the system
The great thing about the Amiga was that the performance of the system didn't rely solely on the CPU + MEM combo.
My 14MHz A-1200 still seems more responsive than even some high end wintel boxen. Now, I know the OS is partly to thank forthis, but the problem with modern wintel hardware is that everything is being designed to run off of the CPU...Softmodems, integrated video, sound, and even integrated IDE interfaces use the CPU and System Memory.
The Classic Amiga wasted as little CPU time on non-mathematical functions as possible. Which seems to be the exact opposite directon the wintel platform is going.
I looked all through the origonal poster's comment, and couldn't find anywhere that he implied the Amiga would "win".
The Amiga community (as well as the Mac community) realized along time ago that the Wintel platform will be on the top of the heap for along time to come.
But, that's not to say those "enlightened few" can't use the better hardware.
You know there is still a place the Amiga has stayed on top...brodacast video...
Don't get me wrong, this is kinda kewl and all, and assuming this isn't a fake (dunno why it would be) ... Why would anyone want to buy an AmigaOne just to run MacOS???
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Now, I realize that it is just another OS that will run on the hardware, but Apple has a much larger selection of hardware and then again, there is obviously going to be no support from either Amiga, Inc. or Apple. Both are proprietary hardware (how ever similar they may be) and will require support for things like new firmware, hardware, etc.
I'm sure you can expect both companies to attempt to make this next to impossible (Amiga, Inc. wants to sell their OS as much as Apple wants to sell their hardware)
So, does it really matter that this works for now? This is likely to become something like the PS2 Linux Distro...nice, but not very widely used...