The dollar derives its value from the fact that all Oil consumers MUST pay in dollars
Wrong, The dollar remains high valued because the US is where all of the "money" is...it's the same reason why english is the international language of commerce. It's the whole golden rule concept...those who hold the gold make the rules...
Incidentally, a significant amount of cheap electonics IS made in Europe. (Ever heard of Dell, Compaq, or IBM?)
I don't know a whole lot about Dell or Compaq, but I know that IBM still assembles their machines in their market...so, an american machine gets made somewhere close to the US and a european machine gets assembled in europe. And then again, I don't think many ppl would call Dell, Compaq, or IBM cheap.
And, isn't it funny that at least Dell an IBM are American companies (not certain about Compaq)...this is why the dollar is higher...
As a general rule, the first generation of any product sucks. The Japanese were just beginning to get into the market. Most of these manufacturers do not have that problem. Most are somehow related to companies that have been in the business for years...like it or not, companies like IBM have no excuse for making a bad product.
The economics of this sort of thing are all relative. If I lived in a third-world country and made one-tenth of my present salary, effectively I would be wealthy beyond all belief. Yeah, I'd sure be exploited!
Of course the statement in your origonal post seemed to overlook this fact by just saying that American workers are over-paid...what you should have said is that American workers are paid more than those working in under-developed/developing nations. Which is why the average American worker has a higher standard of living than say someone living in Mexico or Korea. And I would agree with that, but I hardly think that justifies the origonal statement.
Bullshit. In the long run, the economics balance out to where workers are compensated in proportion to their skills and relative worth. Everybody wins in this circumstance. Perhaps American workers will ultimately stop being over-paid, but the rest of the world won't suffer because of this. With greater economic efficiency, the global standard of living increases.
Wrong...history has proven that the gap between the haves (those living in developed countries) and the have-nots (those living in under-developed/developing countries) becomes larger over time. Your assumption is that as soon as american workers are willing to accept a lower salary, then that will increase the salary of someone working in an under-developed/developing country...and that just isn't true. When the cost of an american worker goes down, then the cost of a similar worker in another country has to go down as well...it doesn't as you say "balance out". As countries become more prosperous, then their workers get paid more, and then eventually their workers lose jobs to ppl in another developing country...
Consumers will never pay more for the same exact product (except in certain circumstances like memory where supply is limited). This is the problem with this viewpoint...as soon as an "exploited" worker's salary starts to go up, the company that once prefered to exploit the workers in this once poor country will find a new country to exploit (probably somewhere like Afganistan)...
The flaw in this thinking is that companies that move production to countries where their workers are willing to work for lower pay will somehow stay there because their workers either have a higher education (how does that work...poor workers in developing countries are somehow given better opportunities)??? Or are making a better product...
I don't know about you, but most of the products I've seen from developing nations are of poorer quality than those from developed nations (Just ask someone if they'ld prefer to drive a Kia or a Toyota)...
It's simple, exploited workers in developing nations are kept on a short leash and if they demand more or become "difficult", the same company that didn't hesitate to give them a lower pay/less benifits/etc will move to another location where the workers are not as "problematic"...
Like it or not, companies that do this have no loyalty to their employees...
I wish this were the case, but it is generally not that American workers are over-paid, but the workers in other countries are under-paid (read exploited).
Just look at what happens...when was the last time you heard about the cheap imports from France...how about the UK...what about Germany...or Canada...or even Japan (most of the cheap electronics are made in countries like Korea and Hong Kong).
No...the truth is, it's just cheaper to buy a worker in developing/under-developed countries.
But, in the long run, it helps drive down the cost of an American worker which makes every country's workers suffer.
...Now, don't get me wrong, there are overpaid American workers, but there are also overpaid workers in most every industry and in most every developed country.
You're right, that's the same thing I thought when I first saw this question. Now, if someone could decide on a standard for MPEG-4, then I'ld say you should try to use it, but for right now we are stuck with MPEG-2...the truth is, in 10-15 years we will most likely have a High-Definition DVD format that will be backward compatable with both MPEG-2 (SVCD & DVD) and MPEG-1 (VCD)...
But, I agree, MPEG-2 isn't going anywhere for a long time (if ever)...
It's doubtful that Wil would be able to post anyhow, I'm sure that his schedule will probably be pretty much full from now until opening day with special events, interviews, etc. I'm sure he will be able to say some stuff after the movie is opened. But, in general, actors can not talk about plot, other actors, or their role in the story.
I'm pretty sure Paramount has made it even worse after the whole thing with the ending of Generations...
Since Enterprise is on UPN tonight at 8:00 (only half-hour following the "premiere", I'ld expect to be able to catch it a few times tonight...
So, you only need to catch it on ET if you absolutely must see it @7:30 rather than @8:00 or if you are one of those unlucky few without a UPN station.
How? Well, like it or not, Embeded Linux is kind of a specific market...
Think about who their major customers would be...Embeded Systems developers. And that's the problem, if it's anything worthwhile, it won't be of any help for your specific project. And if you're doing development, you're more likely to find more helpful information online or in a good book.
Oh, yes...they can do a cute writeup on the Tivo or Netpliance hack, but once it's all said an done, it's a niche that doesn't really need its own publication.
One group that this happened with is the Amiga community. At one point in time, there were Amiga Video, Amiga 3D, Amiga Sound, Amiga Power User, Amiga Games, and General Amiga mags.
At some point someone in all of the smaller (niche) magazines decided to merge their content with the much larger, higher circulation General Amiga mags. What you got in the end was a little bit of everything and what tended to be the best of the best...
So, maybe this will just make all of the Linux mags converge into a much better publication that all users can find useful all of the time, instead of a few users finding it useful some of the time.
I realize this, but the origonal poster seemed to suggest that IMAX offered no advantage over standard 70mm, and that is simply not true...
And as to your final comment...yes, alot of directors started shooting in "open matte" after the popularity of home video. One of the more popular directors that films open matte is James Cameron. And it is true that there are often "goofs" in the full frame version and this why the matted (theatrical) versions of these films are still prefered. Actually the whole Widescreen vs. Pan & Scam thing would be alot simpler if open matte didn't exist.
And as is obvious from the comparisons, IMAX films can fill the whole screen on a standard TV.
So where are we...well, the point of this was that the "IMAX is just 70mm sideways" comment seems to be missing a huge part of the picture (no pun intended):)
I was under the impression that IMAX was just 70mm run sideways.
No, as this link shows, it is actually 3 times bigger than 70mm film... however, the film runs at such a high speed that signifigant part of the film is "wasted" on the camera spin-up and to keep the cameras small enough to lug around, they only get 15 minutes of film per reel.
This as well as a few other reasons is why most IMAX films are under an hour long and feature little or no scripted characters (documentary films). Why documentary...because you can't really get a dolphin to perform better for a different take...
For insight into IMAX film making, try one of the many IMAX DVDs with commentary...one of the best to decribe the unique IMAX film making process is Super Speedway: Mach II Edition...
The IMAX film format is actually the best quality you can find for dvd transfers.
Like it or not, anything that lucas used on EP2 will not compare to the film quality of IMAX!!!
You underestimate their competition. How long do you think it will take DSL providers to start running ads on Radio and TV for Unlimited Internet (no quotas ever).
What they don't realize (or maybe they do now) is that their biggest assets are those ppl that use their connection all of the time...these are the ppl that tell friends and family how good their connections are and how great the service is...
If they're giving the technology away royalty free, it's still a cost center.
But they aren't...read the terms of the license...
First, AOL using it as their standard browser (as opposed to IE) has a real cost benefit attached...they are currently paying M$ lotsa $$$ (probably millions per year) for the ability to modify IE.
Rebranding will also bring in $$$...under their license, Netscape can (and will) charge $$$ for this ability...
And as for companies using the browser internally...not only will content providers actually be using it in-house, but the browser will also be more widely used...
But, you see...Joe Blow doesn't know what 3GB a month is, as I would assume most geeks would have difficulty determining that without software (cat/proc/net/dev) as well...
Just wait until the DSL companies start telling the cable subscribers that they could reach that limit in 1-2 days time...
I know alot of ppl that are not geeks that will run when confronted with a technology that they don't understand. Many users are going to see the possibility of being charged for over-quota usage as too much and simply go to DSL.
And even though DSL is slower in most circumstances, many users will take a slower service with unlimited usage over that of a faster service that is monitored.
As the leading U.S. broadband provider, Time Warner Cable added 278,000 net high-speed data subscribers this quarter, for a total of 2.2 million. This is an increase of 1.0 million high-speed data subscribers, or 86%, since the same period last year. At the end of the quarter, digital subscribers represented 28% of basic cable subscribers while high-speed data subscribers represented 11% of eligible homes passed.
It looks like they are trying to spin this as a positive, but if we belive this story, they are almost treated as a liabilty!!!
Ok...so exactly how are they going to spin the fallout when they see a mass exodus after they implement these bandwidth usage quotas...it's been discussed before, regardless of their usage, the average user will flee at the first hint of bandwidth usage quotas...
First off, Mozilla uses an open source license...while not GPL/LGPL, the idea is the similar. This means that if AOL/Netscape dropped support, someone could always take it up...
But the truth is, Mozilla is one of AOL's biggest hopefuls...it will be taking over as the standard AOL browser and will be used by many companies who want branded browsers and still more that don't want to use IE as their in-house browser (IBM, Sun, etc)...
If they are doing anything but compiling kernels (and I doubt it), 400MHz should be no problem...
And even if compile times were that long, they should be using a CVS tree on a more powerful system that can do automated builds.
But since they are a dotcom, I'ld have to say that C++ isn't being used that much for web apps...so it's just a wild guess, but they are probably doing things like java and perl...
Because there was no exact mention of the use of what the system was being used for...
One can only guess as to the use of the system. And seeing as how most of the current realtime applications are in the content industries (audio and video) and seeing as how audio is not likely to cause timing problems with current technology, it is only a guess...
There seems to be an immediate assumption here that it should be fixed in software (OS)... this would be even more flawed than my assumption that it might be used for video...
That having been said, the poster should have defined their goal more effectively to get an accurate response...
Why worry about having the OS do it for you...why not look for a MPEG2 encoder card like the LinuxTV card. Or even some of the complete solutions that allow you to capture directly to a dedicated harddrive.
These are commonly used in digital video production and are how most film -> digital transfers are performed today.
It seems interesting that I don't see any cinematics or discussion of unique plot elements...everyone seems to be saying "Oooh, look at the in-game graphics".
I know they can't really give away the entire plot to the game, but it would seem that we would already be getting some idea as to the basic premise of the plot from the producers...
The new Amiga One hardware. This is was the subject of a previous article. Outside of the CPU, it looks to take pretty much standard PeeCee hardware, but it's PPC based and it runs Linux right now...it will run AmigaOS once the nextgen OS is completed.
Which incidently, the RivaTV Project had a recent breakthrough which means most of the cards with TV-IN are now working.
Printers...HP...
Scanners...Epson...
What really sucks is I have an Optrox scanner...some will know, this company went out of business a while back, and there seems to be no specs available for it.
What I would really like to know is if anyone knows how one would go about getting specs for hardware produced by a long dead company...
PCI/ISA Modems... They are kind of standardized...unless you're talking about a softmodem of some sort...which you should steer away from anyhow...
NICs...3com...
However, I suggest RealTek based cards because they are so cheap in comparison and seem to have good support.
No, that's still wrong. The F-16 is just a specific model. The F-16 Falcon is made by General Dynamics, but the F-15 Eagle (made 3 years earlier and having similar armament) is made by McDonnell Douglas.
The truth is, the government almost never contracts the same company for their next fighter in line. If one company can't come through, the predecessor can take up the slack until the successor comes along.
And anyone who knows about experimental aircraft knows that (until recently) the government would pit 2 or more companies against each other to see who came up with the best aircraft. This helps in a few ways, as if one design turns out to be unusable, they always have a second...and the "loosing" company already has infrastructure in place in case production needs to be stepped up.
In fact, Studebaker, GM, and Ford all made aircraft during WWII. And IBM, Winchester, Rock-Ola, Underwood, Inland, Saginaw, and National Postal Meter all made versions of the M1 Carbine during WWII.
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The dollar derives its value from the fact that all Oil consumers MUST pay in dollars
Wrong, The dollar remains high valued because the US is where all of the "money" is...it's the same reason why english is the international language of commerce. It's the whole golden rule concept...those who hold the gold make the rules...
Incidentally, a significant amount of cheap electonics IS made in Europe. (Ever heard of Dell, Compaq, or IBM?)
I don't know a whole lot about Dell or Compaq, but I know that IBM still assembles their machines in their market...so, an american machine gets made somewhere close to the US and a european machine gets assembled in europe. And then again, I don't think many ppl would call Dell, Compaq, or IBM cheap.
And, isn't it funny that at least Dell an IBM are American companies (not certain about Compaq)...this is why the dollar is higher...
As a general rule, the first generation of any product sucks. The Japanese were just beginning to get into the market. Most of these manufacturers do not have that problem. Most are somehow related to companies that have been in the business for years...like it or not, companies like IBM have no excuse for making a bad product.
The economics of this sort of thing are all relative. If I lived in a third-world country and made one-tenth of my present salary, effectively I would be wealthy beyond all belief. Yeah, I'd sure be exploited!
Of course the statement in your origonal post seemed to overlook this fact by just saying that American workers are over-paid...what you should have said is that American workers are paid more than those working in under-developed/developing nations. Which is why the average American worker has a higher standard of living than say someone living in Mexico or Korea. And I would agree with that, but I hardly think that justifies the origonal statement.
Bullshit. In the long run, the economics balance out to where workers are compensated in proportion to their skills and relative worth. Everybody wins in this circumstance. Perhaps American workers will ultimately stop being over-paid, but the rest of the world won't suffer because of this. With greater economic efficiency, the global standard of living increases.
Wrong...history has proven that the gap between the haves (those living in developed countries) and the have-nots (those living in under-developed/developing countries) becomes larger over time. Your assumption is that as soon as american workers are willing to accept a lower salary, then that will increase the salary of someone working in an under-developed/developing country...and that just isn't true. When the cost of an american worker goes down, then the cost of a similar worker in another country has to go down as well...it doesn't as you say "balance out". As countries become more prosperous, then their workers get paid more, and then eventually their workers lose jobs to ppl in another developing country...
Consumers will never pay more for the same exact product (except in certain circumstances like memory where supply is limited). This is the problem with this viewpoint...as soon as an "exploited" worker's salary starts to go up, the company that once prefered to exploit the workers in this once poor country will find a new country to exploit (probably somewhere like Afganistan)...
The flaw in this thinking is that companies that move production to countries where their workers are willing to work for lower pay will somehow stay there because their workers either have a higher education (how does that work...poor workers in developing countries are somehow given better opportunities)??? Or are making a better product...
I don't know about you, but most of the products I've seen from developing nations are of poorer quality than those from developed nations (Just ask someone if they'ld prefer to drive a Kia or a Toyota)...
It's simple, exploited workers in developing nations are kept on a short leash and if they demand more or become "difficult", the same company that didn't hesitate to give them a lower pay/less benifits/etc will move to another location where the workers are not as "problematic"...
Like it or not, companies that do this have no loyalty to their employees...
I wish this were the case, but it is generally not that American workers are over-paid, but the workers in other countries are under-paid (read exploited).
Just look at what happens...when was the last time you heard about the cheap imports from France...how about the UK...what about Germany...or Canada...or even Japan (most of the cheap electronics are made in countries like Korea and Hong Kong).
No...the truth is, it's just cheaper to buy a worker in developing/under-developed countries.
But, in the long run, it helps drive down the cost of an American worker which makes every country's workers suffer.
...Now, don't get me wrong, there are overpaid American workers, but there are also overpaid workers in most every industry and in most every developed country.
You're right, that's the same thing I thought when I first saw this question. Now, if someone could decide on a standard for MPEG-4, then I'ld say you should try to use it, but for right now we are stuck with MPEG-2...the truth is, in 10-15 years we will most likely have a High-Definition DVD format that will be backward compatable with both MPEG-2 (SVCD & DVD) and MPEG-1 (VCD)...
But, I agree, MPEG-2 isn't going anywhere for a long time (if ever)...
It's doubtful that Wil would be able to post anyhow, I'm sure that his schedule will probably be pretty much full from now until opening day with special events, interviews, etc. I'm sure he will be able to say some stuff after the movie is opened. But, in general, actors can not talk about plot, other actors, or their role in the story.
I'm pretty sure Paramount has made it even worse after the whole thing with the ending of Generations...
Since Enterprise is on UPN tonight at 8:00 (only half-hour following the "premiere", I'ld expect to be able to catch it a few times tonight...
So, you only need to catch it on ET if you absolutely must see it @7:30 rather than @8:00 or if you are one of those unlucky few without a UPN station.
How? Well, like it or not, Embeded Linux is kind of a specific market...
Think about who their major customers would be...Embeded Systems developers. And that's the problem, if it's anything worthwhile, it won't be of any help for your specific project. And if you're doing development, you're more likely to find more helpful information online or in a good book.
Oh, yes...they can do a cute writeup on the Tivo or Netpliance hack, but once it's all said an done, it's a niche that doesn't really need its own publication.
One group that this happened with is the Amiga community. At one point in time, there were Amiga Video, Amiga 3D, Amiga Sound, Amiga Power User, Amiga Games, and General Amiga mags.
At some point someone in all of the smaller (niche) magazines decided to merge their content with the much larger, higher circulation General Amiga mags. What you got in the end was a little bit of everything and what tended to be the best of the best...
So, maybe this will just make all of the Linux mags converge into a much better publication that all users can find useful all of the time, instead of a few users finding it useful some of the time.
I realize this, but the origonal poster seemed to suggest that IMAX offered no advantage over standard 70mm, and that is simply not true...
:)
And as to your final comment...yes, alot of directors started shooting in "open matte" after the popularity of home video. One of the more popular directors that films open matte is James Cameron. And it is true that there are often "goofs" in the full frame version and this why the matted (theatrical) versions of these films are still prefered. Actually the whole Widescreen vs. Pan & Scam thing would be alot simpler if open matte didn't exist.
And as is obvious from the comparisons, IMAX films can fill the whole screen on a standard TV.
So where are we...well, the point of this was that the "IMAX is just 70mm sideways" comment seems to be missing a huge part of the picture (no pun intended)
I was under the impression that IMAX was just 70mm run sideways.
... however, the film runs at such a high speed that signifigant part of the film is "wasted" on the camera spin-up and to keep the cameras small enough to lug around, they only get 15 minutes of film per reel.
...
No, as this link shows, it is actually 3 times bigger than 70mm film
This as well as a few other reasons is why most IMAX films are under an hour long and feature little or no scripted characters (documentary films). Why documentary...because you can't really get a dolphin to perform better for a different take...
For insight into IMAX film making, try one of the many IMAX DVDs with commentary...one of the best to decribe the unique IMAX film making process is Super Speedway: Mach II Edition
The IMAX film format is actually the best quality you can find for dvd transfers.
Like it or not, anything that lucas used on EP2 will not compare to the film quality of IMAX!!!
You underestimate their competition. How long do you think it will take DSL providers to start running ads on Radio and TV for Unlimited Internet (no quotas ever).
What they don't realize (or maybe they do now) is that their biggest assets are those ppl that use their connection all of the time...these are the ppl that tell friends and family how good their connections are and how great the service is...
If they're giving the technology away royalty free, it's still a cost center.
But they aren't...read the terms of the license...
First, AOL using it as their standard browser (as opposed to IE) has a real cost benefit attached...they are currently paying M$ lotsa $$$ (probably millions per year) for the ability to modify IE.
Rebranding will also bring in $$$...under their license, Netscape can (and will) charge $$$ for this ability...
And as for companies using the browser internally...not only will content providers actually be using it in-house, but the browser will also be more widely used...
But, you see...Joe Blow doesn't know what 3GB a month is, as I would assume most geeks would have difficulty determining that without software (cat /proc/net/dev) as well...
Just wait until the DSL companies start telling the cable subscribers that they could reach that limit in 1-2 days time...
I know alot of ppl that are not geeks that will run when confronted with a technology that they don't understand. Many users are going to see the possibility of being charged for over-quota usage as too much and simply go to DSL.
And even though DSL is slower in most circumstances, many users will take a slower service with unlimited usage over that of a faster service that is monitored.
As the leading U.S. broadband provider, Time Warner Cable added 278,000 net high-speed data subscribers this quarter, for a total of 2.2 million. This is an increase of 1.0 million high-speed data subscribers, or 86%, since the same period last year. At the end of the quarter, digital subscribers represented 28% of basic cable subscribers while high-speed data subscribers represented 11% of eligible homes passed.
It looks like they are trying to spin this as a positive, but if we belive this story, they are almost treated as a liabilty!!!
Ok...so exactly how are they going to spin the fallout when they see a mass exodus after they implement these bandwidth usage quotas...it's been discussed before, regardless of their usage, the average user will flee at the first hint of bandwidth usage quotas...
Not likely...
First off, Mozilla uses an open source license...while not GPL/LGPL, the idea is the similar. This means that if AOL/Netscape dropped support, someone could always take it up...
But the truth is, Mozilla is one of AOL's biggest hopefuls...it will be taking over as the standard AOL browser and will be used by many companies who want branded browsers and still more that don't want to use IE as their in-house browser (IBM, Sun, etc)...
not if you're, say, compiling C++.
If they are doing anything but compiling kernels (and I doubt it), 400MHz should be no problem...
And even if compile times were that long, they should be using a CVS tree on a more powerful system that can do automated builds.
But since they are a dotcom, I'ld have to say that C++ isn't being used that much for web apps...so it's just a wild guess, but they are probably doing things like java and perl...
Because there was no exact mention of the use of what the system was being used for...
... this would be even more flawed than my assumption that it might be used for video...
One can only guess as to the use of the system. And seeing as how most of the current realtime applications are in the content industries (audio and video) and seeing as how audio is not likely to cause timing problems with current technology, it is only a guess...
There seems to be an immediate assumption here that it should be fixed in software (OS)
That having been said, the poster should have defined their goal more effectively to get an accurate response...
Why worry about having the OS do it for you...why not look for a MPEG2 encoder card like the LinuxTV card. Or even some of the complete solutions that allow you to capture directly to a dedicated harddrive.
These are commonly used in digital video production and are how most film -> digital transfers are performed today.
To quote the article:
And can Apple be far behind with video services out of their own retail outlets?
I think anyone who follows Apple knows about the whole Apple Records thing...
But, last I checked, Apple Records didn't have a problem with them distributing video content.
They have already set precedent, because...
We've got QuickTime and all of those related products...
And, we've got Apple Distributing Movie Trailers on their web site...
If they were going to persue Apple on the video front, I'ld figure it would have already been done.
Has anyone heard of the plot for this game?
It seems interesting that I don't see any cinematics or discussion of unique plot elements...everyone seems to be saying "Oooh, look at the in-game graphics".
I know they can't really give away the entire plot to the game, but it would seem that we would already be getting some idea as to the basic premise of the plot from the producers...
The new Amiga One hardware. This is was the subject of a previous article. Outside of the CPU, it looks to take pretty much standard PeeCee hardware, but it's PPC based and it runs Linux right now...it will run AmigaOS once the nextgen OS is completed.
But the weathermen also tend to overforcast because they'll take more flack if they leave the public underprepared. Better safe than sorry.
Can't this also be said for the Anti-Virus community...
Actually, replace weathermen with any major AV software company, and you understand why they think it's all hype.
Read this and see what I mean...
McAfee tend to overforcast because they'll take more flack if they leave the public underprepared. Better safe than sorry.
Well, for video...no contest, it's nVidia...
Which incidently, the RivaTV Project had a recent breakthrough which means most of the cards with TV-IN are now working.
Printers...HP...
Scanners...Epson...
What really sucks is I have an Optrox scanner...some will know, this company went out of business a while back, and there seems to be no specs available for it.
What I would really like to know is if anyone knows how one would go about getting specs for hardware produced by a long dead company...
PCI/ISA Modems...
They are kind of standardized...unless you're talking about a softmodem of some sort...which you should steer away from anyhow...
NICs...3com...
However, I suggest RealTek based cards because they are so cheap in comparison and seem to have good support.
Sound...Creative...
No, that's still wrong. The F-16 is just a specific model. The F-16 Falcon is made by General Dynamics, but the F-15 Eagle (made 3 years earlier and having similar armament) is made by McDonnell Douglas.
The truth is, the government almost never contracts the same company for their next fighter in line. If one company can't come through, the predecessor can take up the slack until the successor comes along.
And anyone who knows about experimental aircraft knows that (until recently) the government would pit 2 or more companies against each other to see who came up with the best aircraft. This helps in a few ways, as if one design turns out to be unusable, they always have a second...and the "loosing" company already has infrastructure in place in case production needs to be stepped up.
In fact, Studebaker, GM, and Ford all made aircraft during WWII. And IBM, Winchester, Rock-Ola, Underwood, Inland, Saginaw, and National Postal Meter all made versions of the M1 Carbine during WWII.
Yea, but I was intentionally using the same wording as gates :)