"That's good if you view school as a vocational training site."
No, I view a school as a place that is supposed to grant you the resources (as well as a helpful mentor) needed to receive an education that will relate to your desired profession. At first they could teach you the basics, but later, they should do as I just said. They aren't doing this now.
"In my view, school teaches you the basics"
So can homeschooling. In fact, the basics are likely the easiest to teach due to them being so well known.
"and do as much as they can mentally, on their own"
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. Only, instead of doing that in a school which forces you to take a variety of useless subjects that have nothing to do with your desired profession, do it while homeschooling. That way you'll waste less time on idiotic policies, have no chance of failing an entire year simply because you failed a single useless class that has nothing to do with your desired profession, have more choice, and be able to solve problems mostly on your own. If possible.
Oh, and I don't see a problem with allowing calculators. If the student is so idiotic that they forget how to do math without one, that is their own problem. Perhaps disallow them the first few times, but generally they solve problems far quicker than a human can. Actually, I think they'd benefit more from getting rid of the 5,000 assignments that you are forced to do when you already understand the material.
This is as idiotic as not allowing 17 year olds (or somewhat younger) to vote. Not all people over 75 are idiots or don't know what they're talking about. It's the same type of stereotyping.
"Well too many elderly are even more incompetent."
The general populace is what appears to be incompetent. Voting in the same members of the same two parties over and over again while they're all corrupted corporate tools in the first place. Not intelligent in the least.
"We need smarter, more dedicated voters and objectively assembled"
Won't help much if we don't adopt a system that doesn't completely suck. If voters aren't able to vote on whether or not the government can take an action that will affect them, then there is a problem.
No, the problem is people who take things too seriously and get rid of anonymous comments simply because of a few trolls, or whatever other stupid reason they can think of.
"doesn't really have anything intelligent to say"
Unless, of course, their comment relates to the story. You usually post these things called "opinions" and "facts" in comments.
"Then a sane person appears"
That couldn't be a sane person, because a sane person would say "I'll just ignore the comments that I perceive as idiotic and comment on the news story like I was originally going to do."
"People already can’t vote to override the constitution"
It's obvious I'm talking about a system where the government cannot take an action that affects the people without the consent of the people. One of the arguments I see against this is "but the majority will take away the rights of the minority!" The current system is corrupted and terrible.
"And lawmakers can’t vote to override the constitution"
But, politicians seem to be able to simply because no one does anything (patriot act, and lots of other decisions that are being made). We need more involvement from the people. They should not be able to pass such things without our consent.
"but if we can agree on some sort of constitutionally-limited Republic"
I meant something like a direct democracy but with restrictions. For instance, people couldn't vote to override the constitution or anything like that. Checks and balances would still exist.
"If you want to make money from games develop them and market them your self."
Makes sense. Still, I thought they would be slightly better off than that. Not so much after hearing horror stories of working at large companies, though.
"your possessions are being neither searched nor seized."
No, the government is just putting a tracking device on your car so that they can track you for whatever reasons they see fit. Move along, folks. Nothing interesting to see here!
The ACTA, like all other anti-piracy bills/treaties, is completely worthless. What will this do? Take away rights from the average citizens while pirates, as usual, find ways around these 'protective measures'. Going after people who don't hurt anyone to begin with and taking away rights from everyone is simply idiotic. Too bad the general public barely knows how to work a television remote, or perhaps they'd see the idiocy in this and do something about it.
You can put as much imaginary value on your spare time if you wish, but in truth, it has no value to the rest of society. It is worth $0 and you're not gaining any money during that time.
"it's usually better than watching a progress bar slowly march to completion."
Start download, go watch television.
"This is just like the million other situations when someone hires a professional when the task is very easy"
As I said, lazy. I usually do everything but incredibly difficult tasks myself. In other words, things that are dangerous for me to do. Installing firmware is easy.
"The only reason it seems outrageous to you is in this instance you understand the level of difficulty"
Precisely what I'm talking about. Take the two minutes required to educate yourself about this process.
"That's only if you don't value your free time at all"
You're not losing any money. Not to mention that this particular process would take mere minutes even if you didn't originally know how to do it.
"If I did, I might try to find more real work to rake in more money in lieu of that free time."
Or you could keep your free time and do a one-time thing and fix something yourself instead of wasting money by paying everyone else to do everything for you.
I won't, my original reply was just talking about how easy this entire process is and how stupid people are for not taking a few minutes to find out how to do it.
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"So how is that different from vocational training?"
Right, somehow I misread what you posted above.
"You might want to reconsider that in light of how badly the average person does on basic science knowledge"
That's not really a problem with the concept of homeschooling, or schooling in general. Just people who don't listen or have no desire to learn.
"That's good if you view school as a vocational training site."
No, I view a school as a place that is supposed to grant you the resources (as well as a helpful mentor) needed to receive an education that will relate to your desired profession. At first they could teach you the basics, but later, they should do as I just said. They aren't doing this now.
"In my view, school teaches you the basics"
So can homeschooling. In fact, the basics are likely the easiest to teach due to them being so well known.
Exactly, violence will keep those little tools in check! It'll also make future indoctrination far easier.
"and do as much as they can mentally, on their own"
Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. Only, instead of doing that in a school which forces you to take a variety of useless subjects that have nothing to do with your desired profession, do it while homeschooling. That way you'll waste less time on idiotic policies, have no chance of failing an entire year simply because you failed a single useless class that has nothing to do with your desired profession, have more choice, and be able to solve problems mostly on your own. If possible.
Oh, and I don't see a problem with allowing calculators. If the student is so idiotic that they forget how to do math without one, that is their own problem. Perhaps disallow them the first few times, but generally they solve problems far quicker than a human can. Actually, I think they'd benefit more from getting rid of the 5,000 assignments that you are forced to do when you already understand the material.
From their exceedingly horrible teaching methods, yes.
"And strip voting rights at age 75 or so."
This is as idiotic as not allowing 17 year olds (or somewhat younger) to vote. Not all people over 75 are idiots or don't know what they're talking about. It's the same type of stereotyping.
"Well too many elderly are even more incompetent."
The general populace is what appears to be incompetent. Voting in the same members of the same two parties over and over again while they're all corrupted corporate tools in the first place. Not intelligent in the least.
"We need smarter, more dedicated voters and objectively assembled"
Won't help much if we don't adopt a system that doesn't completely suck. If voters aren't able to vote on whether or not the government can take an action that will affect them, then there is a problem.
"The problem isn't intentional trolling"
No, the problem is people who take things too seriously and get rid of anonymous comments simply because of a few trolls, or whatever other stupid reason they can think of.
"doesn't really have anything intelligent to say"
Unless, of course, their comment relates to the story. You usually post these things called "opinions" and "facts" in comments.
"Then a sane person appears"
That couldn't be a sane person, because a sane person would say "I'll just ignore the comments that I perceive as idiotic and comment on the news story like I was originally going to do."
"People already can’t vote to override the constitution"
It's obvious I'm talking about a system where the government cannot take an action that affects the people without the consent of the people. One of the arguments I see against this is "but the majority will take away the rights of the minority!" The current system is corrupted and terrible.
"And lawmakers can’t vote to override the constitution"
But, politicians seem to be able to simply because no one does anything (patriot act, and lots of other decisions that are being made). We need more involvement from the people. They should not be able to pass such things without our consent.
Alright, fine. I think you know what I mean, however.
"And they did put a few restrictions into place: they made a democratic republic."
Does it appear to be working to you? The government is able to take so many actions that affect the people without the consent of the people.
"but if we can agree on some sort of constitutionally-limited Republic"
I meant something like a direct democracy but with restrictions. For instance, people couldn't vote to override the constitution or anything like that. Checks and balances would still exist.
"The founding fathers knew that pure democracy is little better than anarchy"
It's far better. If a few restrictions are put into place, it ensures that there is little to no corruption.
"If you want to make money from games develop them and market them your self."
Makes sense. Still, I thought they would be slightly better off than that. Not so much after hearing horror stories of working at large companies, though.
If they wanted that, they wouldn't have installed a republic...
"While I can appreciate the increased efforts to deal with terrorism"
That's just it: they can label anyone who does something they don't agree with as a terrorist.
I'm hoping the people will eventually just overthrow this worthless, corrupted government and install an actual democracy, eventually.
"your possessions are being neither searched nor seized."
No, the government is just putting a tracking device on your car so that they can track you for whatever reasons they see fit. Move along, folks. Nothing interesting to see here!
The ACTA, like all other anti-piracy bills/treaties, is completely worthless. What will this do? Take away rights from the average citizens while pirates, as usual, find ways around these 'protective measures'. Going after people who don't hurt anyone to begin with and taking away rights from everyone is simply idiotic. Too bad the general public barely knows how to work a television remote, or perhaps they'd see the idiocy in this and do something about it.
"dude... if you're envious of a $50K salary"
I'm envious of a $50,000 salary because I used to watch people who lived on less than $20,000.
"You make more mistakes"
Some of them do, yes. Experience is not limited to age, but knowledge. Generally, however, that is true, but not because of their age.
"That depends on how much you value your TV time"
You can put as much imaginary value on your spare time if you wish, but in truth, it has no value to the rest of society. It is worth $0 and you're not gaining any money during that time.
"it's usually better than watching a progress bar slowly march to completion."
Start download, go watch television.
"This is just like the million other situations when someone hires a professional when the task is very easy"
As I said, lazy. I usually do everything but incredibly difficult tasks myself. In other words, things that are dangerous for me to do. Installing firmware is easy.
"The only reason it seems outrageous to you is in this instance you understand the level of difficulty"
Precisely what I'm talking about. Take the two minutes required to educate yourself about this process.
"Well, it's only free if your time is worth nothing."
Or if you're not working while doing it. These are likely one time fixes, and it's simply a waste to pay someone to do it if you have spare time.
"Sometimes, saving yourself a bit of time, even if it's tiny, is WORTH paying a few bucks."
No money is saved if you're doing it in your spare time.
"Spare time is worth at least as much as the money we get from working"
Not if you're not making money in that spare time.
"otherwise we would work more hours"
No, instead of wasting our time watching television or some such, we'd spend that free time fixing something ourselves. Once.
"That's only if you don't value your free time at all"
You're not losing any money. Not to mention that this particular process would take mere minutes even if you didn't originally know how to do it.
"If I did, I might try to find more real work to rake in more money in lieu of that free time."
Or you could keep your free time and do a one-time thing and fix something yourself instead of wasting money by paying everyone else to do everything for you.
I won't, my original reply was just talking about how easy this entire process is and how stupid people are for not taking a few minutes to find out how to do it.