Your complaint with MS then is that the apps that come with it are not independently written and not optional?
If I choose not to use that software, then it might as well not be there, and most of those are optional when you choose whether or not to load them in Windows Update. This argument is tripe.
Everyone knows the apps that will come with Windows XPwill be no better than the ones available now from MS. Everyone will just go and load mIRC instead of using Comic Chat. And so on. People will seek out the better apps from the companies that are innovating. If everyone pulls a Netscrape "let's sit on our laurels and let the freeware stuff even pass us in features" then of course they're not going to be bought to replace the disfuntional versions that comes with Windows XP. I have faith that the industry will further shake itself out, hopefully without the government holding their hands.
My beef with Linux is that the packages that come with the distros can only use their package installers to load them. No one has gotten together to make a common installer across distros. I refuse to even use them and prefer to get the source and make it myself, as 99% of the time it's a quick and painless build, and I have the confidence that I'm using the source that's been reviewed, and not something with a possible backdoor.
The Mexicans aren't native to the Americas? I guess none of the Indians were physically native to America until we threw our border over them. In case you don't know, south of Mexico there's still more of North America with people that were native to it.
Now, this will really spin your head. Below that, there's whole other continent filled with people that are decended from people that were native to that place. I think it's called South America.
Their not being our native Americans does not take away the fact that they are native to the Americas. We're pretty much all the same people, guys.
If the information was compiled cleanly, filled from the same objects (CDs) and maybe put into both databases by exactly the same people, access to the one should not be denied by the other. Just because they look the same doesn't mean that the one with more $$$ has the right to impose its will over the other; the cddb protocol is open and the same in both, but the backend may be totally different! The access is completely open, owned by the public domain, so how can one lay claim over the other by something they don't even own?
You can't make your buses with four wheels because we do and you haven't licensed the design from us, even if you make it a totally different way. If you make it with five, you're violating DMCA. Recent software patent claims and law suit accusations are as broad as that statement. I understand that someone wants that extra royalty payment, but they need to begin looking at specifics. The problem is that when something is done in software and wants to lay claim to a patent, they don't want to disclos exactly how it's done for fear that someone will copy it and no one will be able to tell because most of the work is in the backend that is not seen behind the button you click.
DCMA seems to be a good way to make the first folks who figure something out lay broad claim in order to gain perpetual licensees, rather than specific defined claim as you would in a mechanical patent. It also sounds like a good way to stifle American
"Free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people who's leaders at last lose their grip on information will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." - Unknown
So the idea in business is now that a company cannot find a better way to do business because you might put someone out of work? That's crazy. Following that logic, if someone had been paying for telephone directories, they would not be allowed to use a free yellow pages CD.
Sorry, Gracenote, but everyone was using CDDB for free for the longest time and now that people want to streamline their business by not having to deal with your payments, you get upset? I really cannot find a shred of pity for Gracenote. I hope they evaporate like so many other Internet service companies that wanted to be paid for not really providing a service.
This whole invocation of the DMCA is garbage! If you look at anything in the world, one thing is a circumvention of another. Is the horse and buggy industry supposed to receive compensation from car manufacturers or taxi drivers because they have circumvented their technology to find a better way of doing things? Is Bantam books going to sue the Gutenburg Project because their free database of books impacts sales of their classics even in the tiniest of ways?
Do they not realise that the free flow of information is what made the Internet the awesome tool that it is and that by trying to take that away they are negatively impacting themselves in the long run?
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One word...Xerox.
When everyone's doing it, it's already too late. The mob rules.
Imagine a battle erupting near an area with schools of fish and suddenly dozens of supercavitating torpedos rip through the area on their way to a ship. Not only do we have the possibility of a good number of human beings losing their lives, but anything living near enough to the surface will be splattered. Depending on how far away these things are fired, you're talking about having the Finger of God come down and suddenly erasing a few square miles of ocean surface life. Good surprise buffet for the fish that live down below, though.
However, this sounds like the right way to stop these types of weapons. Place something spread out like a school of fish in their way to increase the chance of catching the many aimed at a specific target, and you might slow them down enough so that the bubble collapses letting the sudden friction rip the torpedo apart. How do you get something that is basically a net to deploy quick enough to snag these once you see them launched? Will the battles of the future forgo all strategy and give way to complete random luck as all weapons are fired in the first minute, ending the battle immediately?
There are a number of open projects on the net for mimio products under Linux (http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=mimio) and a scan of Deja for "mimio Linux" bring up some articles showing that Mimio itself has been cooking something up:
For those of us with very bad handwriting, sometimes because of a real disability, anything computer enhanced can be a blessing. I myself am waiting for the Anota to take off at http://www.anota.com, which will let you write on real paper, but at the same time store the text so that when you get near your computer it will automatically download in the background. The pen understands a small set of commands, so in a way it also has a commandline. Supposedly it is also meant to work with Ericsson phones when they get bluetooth capability. The only catch is that you have to buy their paper, but I go through a couple of pads a year since I'm not a prolific writer. This could change that.
PDFs are immediately searchable for all platforms. You did download the searching version of Acroread, didn't you?
To search the current link tree for the same thing will take you longer while you either wait for a spider to index it for you or while you download the content page(s) to run a script on it. I'm interested in finding the information, not making a job out of it.
This gives a new meaning to TTL for packets. =) How many uses do you get out of one of those poor pidgeons? It'd be interesting to see network traffic by looking up and seeing how big the cloud of birds is. What happens to the bird when you have a resend or a NAK?
No Misha, this is packet 1527. Packet 1257 is next. Find it in that huge pile.
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OK, we scanned in 3000 packets, and it's a page from goatse.cx. Thanks guys!
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How come we scanned all those packets and the output is garbled? Scan them again...
Have to watch out that you don't get cats sniffing the packets or that the packet falls out of the sky from heat exhaustion. Seriously, this is an example of doing something because it could be done. What good is this in an age were people turn their nose up at 300 baud? They could have put that bird to some use afterwards and eaten it. =)
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This is not Disney Land he's going to, but a space station devoted to serious work. What benefit to mankind is he performing up there, checking to see if his CD player spins right in zero G? All he's getting is a place in the history books and getting in the way of the planet's business for a week.
I'm all for Space tourism, but this is not the place for him to be. If we are to get into the business of space tourism, then a platform for that purpose needs to be put up there. I'm sure more people would be willing to pay if you had an airtight cabin with a bed and plumbing that people could just go up to for a few days so they can have their joy at saying they went up.
At any rate, what does disturb me is that the ISS is being "zoned" and that at one point he was not being allowed into the American module. Either he goes up or he doesn't go up. If NASA had objections, they should have stuck by them, otherwise it's just a circus act. And the Russians have taken Tito's money to send him up, but it's their money; how much of that $20mil goes to the other nations of the ISS? Is this an new economic sphere in orbit? Will we see anarchist protest groups storming the space station from the Rainbow Warrior II space capsule to speak out against space commercialism?
Artists with bad contracts make no money off records and are forced to tour and sell shirts. The Beatles certainly didn't tour this year and their albums sold out the wazoo. Yoko Ono sure isn't starving.
The smaller guys are screwed over by the record companies when they start out, so even if they get well known later, they'll never make money off that first and second album. The ones with good contracts that hit it really big could theoretically release music and never tour. I would love to sit at home and just release stuff on MP3 for US$0.50 a song - reduced because the end user still has the job of burning it onto an audio CD. That's the sort of thing that would benefit the little guys. Just set up a web page with shopping cart, hopefully get some radio play, never having to worry about distribution.
It gets complicated after that because you have people copying that and spreading it around just to screw you out of that measly US$0.50. Ideally, you could make some decent $$$, but I don't see it taking off any time soon. So many things can be done with computers that it doesn't pay to try to set up any sort of security scheme to defeat those people too cheap to spend US$0.50 on the song, but eager to spend US$20 of their time to work around that US$0.50. You'll always have the guy recording the last leg of output stream coming from his speakers to deal with and there's no way to catch that; any big attempt to do so would be Orwellian and a waste of any society's resources.
When everyone is doing it, the mob rules. No one who copies stuff off Napster is ever going to be prosecuted because so many people are doing it the attempt would be like catching Jell-O in a net. The shame will be that in the future we will see a decline in artists as the smaller guys won't be able to make as much $$$. Since it won't be worth it to starve and never have a change of making it big, only the ones that really love the music will stick with it. On the other hand that means that maybe we'll see some real quality music that's worth paying for.
I loved the format that Deja presented its newsgroups in. I'd been using Deja since they day they started as it instantly proved useful in getting to the Usenet info that mattered to me at that moment.
Now, the layout of Google pages is too spread out. Deja had a really compact format that let you scan the pages. Their ad links were extremely annoying, but on a couple of occasions they proved useful. The search word highlighting they started to use at the end was useful and Google seems to have done it one better with the colors, but their overall format still just seems wrong.
Deja also let you post which was useful to me from anywhere I might be logged in. The current format means I have to go back to Outlook Express and friends to get on my local ISP's servers and wait as thousands of message headers are synced up.
Now that the Google engine is in Yahoo and Deja, it's effectively covering a wide swath of Internet searching. The only good innovation is the Google Cache. I wonder how many Network Appliance boxes they have to support that.
I wonder if there is an old old version of Deja pages in the Google Cache. =)
What is the audience for this like? Are people looking to watch top gamers to get their strategies and learn some new chops...or for the flying body parts?
Does that mean that out of 14 available connections, only 13 guys can because one connection is needed for the camera? How much extra bandwidth does this take since the game actually has to pass the info for all 13 guys...or do the connections for all the players normally do that?
Imagine these anacondas of cables coming out of everyone's desks and trunking into the computer room where a wall of these cubes is stored. Imagine the users with no access to headphones, floppies, or CD drives. Imagine the cooling needed to have 20,000 of these running in one area instead of dispersed through the building. I imagine this will be as useful as the Ronco Pocket Goat Slicer.
The film takes place on the *eve* of the moon landing. As in they were trying to repair things *before* the world was to see the footsteps on the 20th.
Folks, you're assuming that we would be dumb enough to match rock-throws for rock-throws with one billion people. When you have a bigger stick, you use it. No matter how many people they have, they will always crumple and burn under daisy-cutters and area-fuel bombs. THEN, you go in with the men. The Gulf War and the Yugoslavia conflict are showing that many countries across the world still think in terms of WWII technology when fighting wars and thus losing them badly. The Chinese will also learn if that is their way. Frankly I think they know this and, unless they've misplaced their Sun Tsu, wouldn't be stupid enough to take us on. They have a long memory, though, and we'll have to keep an eye on them for the next hundred years.
When you're setting up a home network, nothing beats laying it across the carpet and covering it with duct tape until the wife grows to like it and stops glaring at you six months later. =)
This has no business being considered "web". This should be some protocol that enables caching at some front door of the site so that sites are not constantly overrun by info spiders crawling up and down them all day long to find this guy's phone number and hours of work and various other info. Definitely, there should be some standardized format for this, but it already sounds like something that is just a centralized database container for vcards.
If things were better structured, this guy's info would be cached/replicated at some town/corporate web site in turn cached/replicated at some other geographical and/or corporate portal where you look things up as a directory. Kind of makes me think of LDAP.
Anyway, this is the sort of thing that directory servers such as Bigfoot could provide with today's technology if only they could structure it.
Just wait, these systems will be so complex underneath that in order for they to all be usable and compatible, we'll have to have a frontend like that little Office Paperclip. In order for it to be consumable by the masses, it will have to have somewhere that you can enter a natural language question, either typed or spoken to. The Paperclip agent becomes more useful when it provides some sort of thing to speak to for simulating face to face interaction.
Microsoft Bob disappeared only to eventually replaced with the handholding we're going to get in Windows XP. The paperclip will be back, especially with the Tim Berners-Lee article (posted a few Slashdot articles before this) that discusses user agents. We'll see that paperclip talking to us on our flexible plasma screen pants...
So my point is that the Chinese can have the best weapons on earth, but because they treat their people like ants chances are that most of their grunts aren't going to be able to do more than pile their equipment in front of ours to keep us from moving. Still, unless they're ready for overwhelming air power (above SAM height until SAMs are taken out - then lower and harder), they'll never get the chance to use that equipment.
If they value that shiny new space center that could potentially be used to launch nukes, they'd think again. That's got to be tops on the list of things to blow up so they remember what could have been for the next twenty years.
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Your complaint with MS then is that the apps that come with it are not independently written and not optional?
If I choose not to use that software, then it might as well not be there, and most of those are optional when you choose whether or not to load them in Windows Update. This argument is tripe.
Everyone knows the apps that will come with Windows XPwill be no better than the ones available now from MS. Everyone will just go and load mIRC instead of using Comic Chat. And so on. People will seek out the better apps from the companies that are innovating. If everyone pulls a Netscrape "let's sit on our laurels and let the freeware stuff even pass us in features" then of course they're not going to be bought to replace the disfuntional versions that comes with Windows XP. I have faith that the industry will further shake itself out, hopefully without the government holding their hands.
My beef with Linux is that the packages that come with the distros can only use their package installers to load them. No one has gotten together to make a common installer across distros. I refuse to even use them and prefer to get the source and make it myself, as 99% of the time it's a quick and painless build, and I have the confidence that I'm using the source that's been reviewed, and not something with a possible backdoor.
The Mexicans aren't native to the Americas? I guess none of the Indians were physically native to America until we threw our border over them. In case you don't know, south of Mexico there's still more of North America with people that were native to it.
Now, this will really spin your head. Below that, there's whole other continent filled with people that are decended from people that were native to that place. I think it's called South America.
Their not being our native Americans does not take away the fact that they are native to the Americas. We're pretty much all the same people, guys.
If the information was compiled cleanly, filled from the same objects (CDs) and maybe put into both databases by exactly the same people, access to the one should not be denied by the other. Just because they look the same doesn't mean that the one with more $$$ has the right to impose its will over the other; the cddb protocol is open and the same in both, but the backend may be totally different! The access is completely open, owned by the public domain, so how can one lay claim over the other by something they don't even own?
You can't make your buses with four wheels because we do and you haven't licensed the design from us, even if you make it a totally different way. If you make it with five, you're violating DMCA. Recent software patent claims and law suit accusations are as broad as that statement. I understand that someone wants that extra royalty payment, but they need to begin looking at specifics. The problem is that when something is done in software and wants to lay claim to a patent, they don't want to disclos exactly how it's done for fear that someone will copy it and no one will be able to tell because most of the work is in the backend that is not seen behind the button you click.
DCMA seems to be a good way to make the first folks who figure something out lay broad claim in order to gain perpetual licensees, rather than specific defined claim as you would in a mechanical patent. It also sounds like a good way to stifle American
"Free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people who's leaders at last lose their grip on information will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." - Unknown
So the idea in business is now that a company cannot find a better way to do business because you might put someone out of work? That's crazy. Following that logic, if someone had been paying for telephone directories, they would not be allowed to use a free yellow pages CD.
Sorry, Gracenote, but everyone was using CDDB for free for the longest time and now that people want to streamline their business by not having to deal with your payments, you get upset? I really cannot find a shred of pity for Gracenote. I hope they evaporate like so many other Internet service companies that wanted to be paid for not really providing a service.
This whole invocation of the DMCA is garbage! If you look at anything in the world, one thing is a circumvention of another. Is the horse and buggy industry supposed to receive compensation from car manufacturers or taxi drivers because they have circumvented their technology to find a better way of doing things? Is Bantam books going to sue the Gutenburg Project because their free database of books impacts sales of their classics even in the tiniest of ways?
Do they not realise that the free flow of information is what made the Internet the awesome tool that it is and that by trying to take that away they are negatively impacting themselves in the long run?
One word...Xerox.
When everyone's doing it, it's already too late. The mob rules.
Imagine a battle erupting near an area with schools of fish and suddenly dozens of supercavitating torpedos rip through the area on their way to a ship. Not only do we have the possibility of a good number of human beings losing their lives, but anything living near enough to the surface will be splattered. Depending on how far away these things are fired, you're talking about having the Finger of God come down and suddenly erasing a few square miles of ocean surface life. Good surprise buffet for the fish that live down below, though.
However, this sounds like the right way to stop these types of weapons. Place something spread out like a school of fish in their way to increase the chance of catching the many aimed at a specific target, and you might slow them down enough so that the bubble collapses letting the sudden friction rip the torpedo apart. How do you get something that is basically a net to deploy quick enough to snag these once you see them launched? Will the battles of the future forgo all strategy and give way to complete random luck as all weapons are fired in the first minute, ending the battle immediately?
There are a number of open projects on the net for mimio products under Linux (http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=mimio) and a scan of Deja for "mimio Linux" bring up some articles showing that Mimio itself has been cooking something up:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=mimio+linux&btnG =Google+Search&hl=en&lr=&safe=off
For those of us with very bad handwriting, sometimes because of a real disability, anything computer enhanced can be a blessing. I myself am waiting for the Anota to take off at http://www.anota.com, which will let you write on real paper, but at the same time store the text so that when you get near your computer it will automatically download in the background. The pen understands a small set of commands, so in a way it also has a commandline. Supposedly it is also meant to work with Ericsson phones when they get bluetooth capability. The only catch is that you have to buy their paper, but I go through a couple of pads a year since I'm not a prolific writer. This could change that.
PDFs are immediately searchable for all platforms. You did download the searching version of Acroread, didn't you?
To search the current link tree for the same thing will take you longer while you either wait for a spider to index it for you or while you download the content page(s) to run a script on it. I'm interested in finding the information, not making a job out of it.
This gives a new meaning to TTL for packets. =) How many uses do you get out of one of those poor pidgeons? It'd be interesting to see network traffic by looking up and seeing how big the cloud of birds is. What happens to the bird when you have a resend or a NAK?
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Have to watch out that you don't get cats sniffing the packets or that the packet falls out of the sky from heat exhaustion. Seriously, this is an example of doing something because it could be done. What good is this in an age were people turn their nose up at 300 baud? They could have put that bird to some use afterwards and eaten it. =)
This is not Disney Land he's going to, but a space station devoted to serious work. What benefit to mankind is he performing up there, checking to see if his CD player spins right in zero G? All he's getting is a place in the history books and getting in the way of the planet's business for a week.
I'm all for Space tourism, but this is not the place for him to be. If we are to get into the business of space tourism, then a platform for that purpose needs to be put up there. I'm sure more people would be willing to pay if you had an airtight cabin with a bed and plumbing that people could just go up to for a few days so they can have their joy at saying they went up.
At any rate, what does disturb me is that the ISS is being "zoned" and that at one point he was not being allowed into the American module. Either he goes up or he doesn't go up. If NASA had objections, they should have stuck by them, otherwise it's just a circus act. And the Russians have taken Tito's money to send him up, but it's their money; how much of that $20mil goes to the other nations of the ISS? Is this an new economic sphere in orbit? Will we see anarchist protest groups storming the space station from the Rainbow Warrior II space capsule to speak out against space commercialism?
Artists with bad contracts make no money off records and are forced to tour and sell shirts. The Beatles certainly didn't tour this year and their albums sold out the wazoo. Yoko Ono sure isn't starving.
The smaller guys are screwed over by the record companies when they start out, so even if they get well known later, they'll never make money off that first and second album. The ones with good contracts that hit it really big could theoretically release music and never tour. I would love to sit at home and just release stuff on MP3 for US$0.50 a song - reduced because the end user still has the job of burning it onto an audio CD. That's the sort of thing that would benefit the little guys. Just set up a web page with shopping cart, hopefully get some radio play, never having to worry about distribution.
It gets complicated after that because you have people copying that and spreading it around just to screw you out of that measly US$0.50. Ideally, you could make some decent $$$, but I don't see it taking off any time soon. So many things can be done with computers that it doesn't pay to try to set up any sort of security scheme to defeat those people too cheap to spend US$0.50 on the song, but eager to spend US$20 of their time to work around that US$0.50. You'll always have the guy recording the last leg of output stream coming from his speakers to deal with and there's no way to catch that; any big attempt to do so would be Orwellian and a waste of any society's resources.
When everyone is doing it, the mob rules. No one who copies stuff off Napster is ever going to be prosecuted because so many people are doing it the attempt would be like catching Jell-O in a net. The shame will be that in the future we will see a decline in artists as the smaller guys won't be able to make as much $$$. Since it won't be worth it to starve and never have a change of making it big, only the ones that really love the music will stick with it. On the other hand that means that maybe we'll see some real quality music that's worth paying for.
I loved the format that Deja presented its newsgroups in. I'd been using Deja since they day they started as it instantly proved useful in getting to the Usenet info that mattered to me at that moment.
Now, the layout of Google pages is too spread out. Deja had a really compact format that let you scan the pages. Their ad links were extremely annoying, but on a couple of occasions they proved useful. The search word highlighting they started to use at the end was useful and Google seems to have done it one better with the colors, but their overall format still just seems wrong.
Deja also let you post which was useful to me from anywhere I might be logged in. The current format means I have to go back to Outlook Express and friends to get on my local ISP's servers and wait as thousands of message headers are synced up.
Now that the Google engine is in Yahoo and Deja, it's effectively covering a wide swath of Internet searching. The only good innovation is the Google Cache. I wonder how many Network Appliance boxes they have to support that.
I wonder if there is an old old version of Deja pages in the Google Cache. =)
What is the audience for this like? Are people looking to watch top gamers to get their strategies and learn some new chops...or for the flying body parts?
Does that mean that out of 14 available connections, only 13 guys can because one connection is needed for the camera? How much extra bandwidth does this take since the game actually has to pass the info for all 13 guys...or do the connections for all the players normally do that?
Imagine these anacondas of cables coming out of everyone's desks and trunking into the computer room where a wall of these cubes is stored. Imagine the users with no access to headphones, floppies, or CD drives. Imagine the cooling needed to have 20,000 of these running in one area instead of dispersed through the building. I imagine this will be as useful as the Ronco Pocket Goat Slicer.
The film takes place on the *eve* of the moon landing. As in they were trying to repair things *before* the world was to see the footsteps on the 20th.
Folks, you're assuming that we would be dumb enough to match rock-throws for rock-throws with one billion people. When you have a bigger stick, you use it. No matter how many people they have, they will always crumple and burn under daisy-cutters and area-fuel bombs. THEN, you go in with the men. The Gulf War and the Yugoslavia conflict are showing that many countries across the world still think in terms of WWII technology when fighting wars and thus losing them badly. The Chinese will also learn if that is their way. Frankly I think they know this and, unless they've misplaced their Sun Tsu, wouldn't be stupid enough to take us on. They have a long memory, though, and we'll have to keep an eye on them for the next hundred years.
When you're setting up a home network, nothing beats laying it across the carpet and covering it with duct tape until the wife grows to like it and stops glaring at you six months later. =)
This has no business being considered "web". This should be some protocol that enables caching at some front door of the site so that sites are not constantly overrun by info spiders crawling up and down them all day long to find this guy's phone number and hours of work and various other info. Definitely, there should be some standardized format for this, but it already sounds like something that is just a centralized database container for vcards.
If things were better structured, this guy's info would be cached/replicated at some town/corporate web site in turn cached/replicated at some other geographical and/or corporate portal where you look things up as a directory. Kind of makes me think of LDAP.
Anyway, this is the sort of thing that directory servers such as Bigfoot could provide with today's technology if only they could structure it.
Just wait, these systems will be so complex underneath that in order for they to all be usable and compatible, we'll have to have a frontend like that little Office Paperclip. In order for it to be consumable by the masses, it will have to have somewhere that you can enter a natural language question, either typed or spoken to. The Paperclip agent becomes more useful when it provides some sort of thing to speak to for simulating face to face interaction.
Maybe that's what Linux needs...*ducking bricks*
Now if only I could compile Qt on my XFree/Cygwin setup I could get these working with KDE on my Windows box.
Microsoft Bob disappeared only to eventually replaced with the handholding we're going to get in Windows XP. The paperclip will be back, especially with the Tim Berners-Lee article (posted a few Slashdot articles before this) that discusses user agents. We'll see that paperclip talking to us on our flexible plasma screen pants...
So my point is that the Chinese can have the best weapons on earth, but because they treat their people like ants chances are that most of their grunts aren't going to be able to do more than pile their equipment in front of ours to keep us from moving. Still, unless they're ready for overwhelming air power (above SAM height until SAMs are taken out - then lower and harder), they'll never get the chance to use that equipment.
If they value that shiny new space center that could potentially be used to launch nukes, they'd think again. That's got to be tops on the list of things to blow up so they remember what could have been for the next twenty years.