Honor is relative. Manning made an oath, and then found that it was predicated on un-truth perpetrated by the military. In that case I think it's a judgement call, not some simplistic "He gave his word, he broke it, he bad" kind of thing.
An oath sworn to a dishonest man or organization can often be discarded. Manning got in, saw that things in the military weren't as they were described when he signed the contract...
Another arbitrary tool used by a majority to define what the majority likes as good. It's useful for getting suckers to die for the government, however.
So...I was born in this society, born a citizen who has fewer rights than other citizens. I'm supposed to just accept it, try to change the system using means acceptable by the society (!), or leave?
Ha! The people who have the upper hand in a society always try pulling that one over on you.
We had art and music classes through to High School in my town. My experience with the education system must have been very different than yours. Did you go to school in a poorer locality? The schools with less money tend to focus (to a fault) on metrics in order to secure enough funding from state/federal in order to keep the place running. Even then they have art and music...
Tron was a simple movie. This thing looks like they're throwing in the kitchen sink WRT plot devices. Can't say I really care to see a re-make of Tron. The original was silly enough. I'd bet money the characters will have smartphones inside the computer world...
And thats why our freedoms and privacy continue to erode. Government and law enforcement make it so this kind of vandalism is one of the few remaining potent mechanisms to actually affect powerful corporations and government
9/11 killed a few thousand people...far less than die every year on our roads. The property damage was signifigant...but less than we've been spending on the TSA and our nation building. Osama knew the American people had an absurd expectation that their government's foreign policy could never come home to roost in that way. Who knew that training killers to stir up civil strife and kill other people backed by our enemy in a third nation would come back to bite us in the ass! Everyone over-reacted after 9/11 and we've been punked like nobody has been punked before...by ourselves.
I don't want the risk of an airliner crashing into my house just because a bunch of pillow-biters don't want to be seen nekid. Don't you know you have no expectation of privacy in public?!
I just think it's funny that it took these back-scatter machines for the American people to take such an about-face in their rush to trade freedom for the illusion of security. Ahhhh...back in 2002 you were an America-hating terrorist-sympathiser with a dangerous tendency to disagree with government during war time if you spoke up about how silly the TSA's measures were. It's like they're still bolting the barn door after the cows had escaped, bred a new generation and died in the surrounding fields...
Sorry, it was sarcasm on two levels. One that this douche thought wikileaks was breaking the law and thought that breaking other laws to "Stop" them was legit.
And, as you mentioned, wikileaks didn't break any laws in the first place.
We need to subsidise firearm ownership and training for our most vulnerable people: the poor. I'm considering setting up a charity that gives guns, ammo and range time to inner-city minorities so that they can protect themselves from terrorists. Seems like such an obvious thing, I wonder why the NRA doesn't reach out to the urban non-white populations and encourage them to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. Perhaps the NAACP could change that A from Advancement to Arming.
Yeah...seems like the further we get from the freak-outs in 2001 the more people are looking and deciding that the actions taken might not have been the best...
Trillion dollar wars that kill tens of thousands are OK when our government tells us they are protecting us from terrorist attacks. But a screening and/or pat down is going too far!
Seems like the same people complaining the loudest today were bashing me for being against the TSA back when it was first created.
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Honor is relative. Manning made an oath, and then found that it was predicated on un-truth perpetrated by the military. In that case I think it's a judgement call, not some simplistic "He gave his word, he broke it, he bad" kind of thing.
An oath sworn to a dishonest man or organization can often be discarded. Manning got in, saw that things in the military weren't as they were described when he signed the contract...
Another arbitrary tool used by a majority to define what the majority likes as good. It's useful for getting suckers to die for the government, however.
So...I was born in this society, born a citizen who has fewer rights than other citizens. I'm supposed to just accept it, try to change the system using means acceptable by the society (!), or leave?
Ha! The people who have the upper hand in a society always try pulling that one over on you.
I used it. Also, nationalism is for tools. Citizenship is a business relationship.
Laws are legal, after all.
Then why call it Tron again, why not come up with a new name? Reboot? Recycle? It's re-something.
We had art and music classes through to High School in my town. My experience with the education system must have been very different than yours. Did you go to school in a poorer locality? The schools with less money tend to focus (to a fault) on metrics in order to secure enough funding from state/federal in order to keep the place running. Even then they have art and music...
Tron was a simple movie. This thing looks like they're throwing in the kitchen sink WRT plot devices. Can't say I really care to see a re-make of Tron. The original was silly enough. I'd bet money the characters will have smartphones inside the computer world...
I'd say, start a war on open source and send America's also-rans to die in it.
No cameras in the execution booth!
Ask an Iraqi or an Afghani!
And thats why our freedoms and privacy continue to erode. Government and law enforcement make it so this kind of vandalism is one of the few remaining potent mechanisms to actually affect powerful corporations and government
You've been well played :)
The control is going to come regardless of the actions of these DOSers. I say, let them have their speech.
9/11 killed a few thousand people...far less than die every year on our roads. The property damage was signifigant...but less than we've been spending on the TSA and our nation building. Osama knew the American people had an absurd expectation that their government's foreign policy could never come home to roost in that way. Who knew that training killers to stir up civil strife and kill other people backed by our enemy in a third nation would come back to bite us in the ass! Everyone over-reacted after 9/11 and we've been punked like nobody has been punked before...by ourselves.
I don't want the risk of an airliner crashing into my house just because a bunch of pillow-biters don't want to be seen nekid. Don't you know you have no expectation of privacy in public?!
I just think it's funny that it took these back-scatter machines for the American people to take such an about-face in their rush to trade freedom for the illusion of security. Ahhhh...back in 2002 you were an America-hating terrorist-sympathiser with a dangerous tendency to disagree with government during war time if you spoke up about how silly the TSA's measures were. It's like they're still bolting the barn door after the cows had escaped, bred a new generation and died in the surrounding fields...
Now I'm glad I didn't win that prize from MTVski.
Sorry, it was sarcasm on two levels. One that this douche thought wikileaks was breaking the law and thought that breaking other laws to "Stop" them was legit.
And, as you mentioned, wikileaks didn't break any laws in the first place.
I generally won't click a link to an on-line video just for this reason. Even on a "news" site. Rather read it.
...to stop others from breaking the law.
He is a man of genius.
The other choice is allowing the government to snoop into the private lives of citizens who might fly in the name of 'profiling'.
I'd rather have the nekkid picture taken than give the gov't more license to spy on us.
We need to subsidise firearm ownership and training for our most vulnerable people: the poor. I'm considering setting up a charity that gives guns, ammo and range time to inner-city minorities so that they can protect themselves from terrorists. Seems like such an obvious thing, I wonder why the NRA doesn't reach out to the urban non-white populations and encourage them to exercise their 2nd amendment rights. Perhaps the NAACP could change that A from Advancement to Arming.
Yeah...seems like the further we get from the freak-outs in 2001 the more people are looking and deciding that the actions taken might not have been the best...
The cost would be immense and if you think your privacy is being violated by a scanner...hoooo doggy!
Trillion dollar wars that kill tens of thousands are OK when our government tells us they are protecting us from terrorist attacks. But a screening and/or pat down is going too far!
Seems like the same people complaining the loudest today were bashing me for being against the TSA back when it was first created.