1. By "space travel technologies," I assume you mean the science and techniques used to put man in space? If so, then no, we should not throw that away. But if you mean the actual guidance computers, parts, etc. that powered man into space back then... well, yes, they should be stored away in a museum.
2. The technology and ideas behind ALGOL may indeed be in use today, but how many languages are actually built on top of ALGOL? You bring up Java, but it was written from scratch. The authors of the language merely learned from previous languages and combined the best parts... they did not start with the ALGOL code-base, and go from there.
3. Your analogy to firearms is also not workable. Again, the stuff we use today is based on the principles behind the first weapons... not the actual weapons themselves. Show me a man shooting a 500-year old weapon, and I'll show you a man that stands a good chance of blowing his hand off or losing an eye to a misfire.
I imagine your point was to try and show that just because Linux and other Unix-based OS's are based on legacy code, does not mean they need to be scrapped for something new. These analogies you've offered just don't do much for your point.
Unix may be quality work, but it is also old technology. There are newer, younger OS's that are high quality, new technology, and free from legacy code. Windows is not one of those OS's, but BeOS certainly is...
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"I lump day-traders with active-traders who have a high year-to-year turnover ratio in their portfolios."
You can lump them together all you want, but day traders != active traders. Day traders are people who typically buy and sell a stock the same day. Active traders are... ambiguously defined.
"What will you be doing when we hit a bear market"
Selling short?
"With your online account, if something bad happens you run the risk of not being able to touch your assets for up to 60 days."
Please define what you mean by "something bad."
"You ARE going to get rich with a fundamental buy, hold and accumulate method."
What about when we hit this bear market that you're predicting? I'd hate to be 'holding' and 'accumulating' at that point...
"You are a beneficiary of an incredible Bull Market. That does not make you an expert in stocks."
I guess we won't know how much of an expert your broker is either until we hit a bear market, then, right?
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The reason it rose and declined was because the daytraders put in bids before the market opened. The sooner the better. Then the market makers took those orders on a priority basis, first come, first served (best price of course). This continued until it hit 105, at which point the daytraders began their profit-taking, which continued on down to ~$60.
The only way you lost money on it was if you bought it higher than you sold it. If you didn't sell it yet, you didn't lose any money. (You just missed out on MAKING money for the timebeing.)
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That's not true. As I said in another post, you can get in on a lot of good IPO's through E*TRADE. You don't have to be anyone special; just willing to hold the IPO for at least 30 days (otherwise you won't get any more IPO's... they want stability).
I could have gotten in on the Hoover IPO, which increased from $14 to almost $30 yesterday...
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1. So you're saying Linux machines can't be taken over, because they're based on a CLI? Huh?
2. My comment about the GUI is not supposed to indicate a superior operating system. My comment is merely pointing out that any operating system based on a CLI has a limited future.
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"But even though Be has a cli, it is still limited can you do everything in be from the command line?"
I'm not sure what you mean by "everything."
For example, if you mean, can I grab my web browser interface and drag it INTO the desktop, then close the browser program and continue to surf... from the commandline... the answer is "No."
If you mean, can I easily navigate my hard drive, moving, copying, symlinking files and folders in many different areas very quickly... from a commandline... then the answer is "No."
If you mean, can I move data back and forth between multiple applications with a few clicks... from the commandline... the answer is still "No."
But if by "everything" you mean the same stuff you do in Linux, the answer is "Yes."
Hope that helps.
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As far as I know, their business plan is to get their operating system on as many systems as possible. Same as MacOS, Windows, Linux, etc. They happen to have superior technology in the desktop/appliance market than any of those other OS's.
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How about if you follow the ENTIRE thread first before opening your mouth?
My comments were clearly in response to people saying things like "Be can't win on technology alone... look at BetaMax vs. VHS or Apple vs. DOS/Windows."
Thank you very little.
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Umm wrong. In the beginning, DIVX had a *LOT* of money to spend. They were going to launch a focused, $100-million ad campaign touting DIVX.
On the other hand, DVD had no such focus because it wasn't a single company. There were no ad campaigns to try and explain what DVD was all about, or how it was better than DIVX.
In addition, DIVX had the support of many studios (some exclusively) through million-dollar bribes that were paid out (more money).
They indeed had more marketing. (Or would you care to pull out some DVD ads from 1 1/2 years ago?)
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That's strange... I tried using MSIE 5.0 in Win2000, and it crashed about 5-10 times a day. Netscape 4.6 crashes only once or twice a WEEK. And when MSIE goes down, it f*cks up the entire system.
If that's an "innovation" from MS, then I'll take a "stagnant" company like Netscape/AOL any day...;)
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Throw out your old BetaMax vs. VHS, Mac vs. DOS analogies. We're living in the net times. A place where a superior technology (DVD) can beat an inferior technology with more marketing power (DIVX). Word of mouth on the net, grassroots campaigns, etc. can push the cream to the top... even past all the marketdroids from M$.
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I would be very surprised to learn that any of that 8 million was Be employees buying or selling. They get their stock options from headquarters, not from the market (in general). And they probably aren't allowed (or discouraged) from selling stock so soon after the IPO.
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You've obviously never used BeOS. It is as mainstream as Linux. Be targeted things at the "digital media" market just as Linux was targeted at the server market (and you don't suppose Unix had a few "unreasonably loyal" followers, do ya?).
By the way, you've seemed to forgotten about a little trial going on called US Gov't vs. Microsoft.
See ya when the hammer falls.
Just one more thing: "Besides, what makes them different from all the other "better" systems that will let them beat Windows?"
You wouldn't even ask that if you had ever really used BeOS. It is technologically superior to all other OS's I've seen. No, it's not open source... just better.
Yeah, that's my opinion, but you asked for it.
"after a few short-term gains they're liable to lose their shirts."
Same could be said about 90% of all stocks.
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I'm so sick of this phrase... "The Microsoft of Linux."
What does that mean anyway?
Are you saying that RedHat should strive to break even? You don't want them to be a successful company? Is Microsoft the only successfuly company you've ever heard of, or do you just want to associate RedHat with an eviiiiiiiiiiil entity?
Just wait until they've gone public, if you think they're trying to be "like Microsoft" now.
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Slashdot Mirror
Do you understand how interest on money works?
He'll have plenty in 5 years...
My question is why the media keep saying 90-100
billion dollars.... isn't most of his worth just
on paper?
Isn't it strange that Gates can give away 90-99%
of his fortune, and still be worth a billion
dollars? Whoa....
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1. By "space travel technologies," I assume you
... not the
mean the science and techniques used to put man
in space? If so, then no, we should not throw
that away. But if you mean the actual guidance
computers, parts, etc. that powered man into space
back then... well, yes, they should be stored
away in a museum.
2. The technology and ideas behind ALGOL may
indeed be in use today, but how many languages
are actually built on top of ALGOL? You bring
up Java, but it was written from scratch. The
authors of the language merely learned from
previous languages and combined the best parts...
they did not start with the ALGOL code-base, and
go from there.
3. Your analogy to firearms is also not workable.
Again, the stuff we use today is based on the
principles behind the first weapons
actual weapons themselves. Show me a man shooting
a 500-year old weapon, and I'll show you a man
that stands a good chance of blowing his hand off
or losing an eye to a misfire.
I imagine your point was to try and show that just
because Linux and other Unix-based OS's are based
on legacy code, does not mean they need to be
scrapped for something new. These analogies you've
offered just don't do much for your point.
Unix may be quality work, but it is also old
technology. There are newer, younger OS's that
are high quality, new technology, and free from
legacy code. Windows is not one of those OS's,
but BeOS certainly is...
-WW
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"I lump day-traders with active-traders who have a high year-to-year turnover ratio in their portfolios."
You can lump them together all you want, but
day traders != active traders. Day traders are
people who typically buy and sell a stock the
same day. Active traders are... ambiguously defined.
"What will you be doing when we hit a bear market"
Selling short?
"With your online account, if something bad
happens you run the risk of not being able to
touch your assets for up to 60 days."
Please define what you mean by "something bad."
"You ARE going to get rich with a fundamental buy,
hold and accumulate method."
What about when we hit this bear market that
you're predicting? I'd hate to be 'holding' and 'accumulating' at that point...
"You are a beneficiary of an incredible Bull
Market. That does not make you an expert in
stocks."
I guess we won't know how much of an expert your
broker is either until we hit a bear market, then,
right?
-WW
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So how much did you make? =)
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The reason it rose and declined was because the
daytraders put in bids before the market opened.
The sooner the better. Then the market makers took
those orders on a priority basis, first come,
first served (best price of course). This
continued until it hit 105, at which point the
daytraders began their profit-taking, which
continued on down to ~$60.
The only way you lost money on it was if you
bought it higher than you sold it. If you didn't
sell it yet, you didn't lose any money. (You just
missed out on MAKING money for the timebeing.)
-WW
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That's not true. As I said in another post, you
can get in on a lot of good IPO's through E*TRADE.
You don't have to be anyone special; just willing
to hold the IPO for at least 30 days (otherwise
you won't get any more IPO's... they want
stability).
I could have gotten in on the Hoover IPO, which
increased from $14 to almost $30 yesterday...
-WW
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That would be hard to do... it was a fresh install
and I'm no dummy. The browser was not stable.
And that's still no excuse for bringing down the
OS.
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1. So you're saying Linux machines can't be taken
over, because they're based on a CLI? Huh?
2. My comment about the GUI is not supposed to
indicate a superior operating system. My comment
is merely pointing out that any operating system
based on a CLI has a limited future.
-WW
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"But even though Be has a cli, it is still limited
can you do everything in be from the command line?"
I'm not sure what you mean by "everything."
For example, if you mean, can I grab my web browser interface and drag it INTO the desktop,
then close the browser program and continue to
surf... from the commandline... the answer is "No."
If you mean, can I easily navigate my hard drive,
moving, copying, symlinking files and folders in
many different areas very quickly... from a commandline... then the answer is "No."
If you mean, can I move data back and forth
between multiple applications with a few clicks...
from the commandline... the answer is still "No."
But if by "everything" you mean the same stuff you
do in Linux, the answer is "Yes."
Hope that helps.
-WW
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As far as I know, their business plan is to get
their operating system on as many systems as possible. Same as MacOS, Windows, Linux, etc.
They happen to have superior technology in the
desktop/appliance market than any of those other
OS's.
-WW
P.S. You're no Freud, ass munch. Try not to psycho-analyze someone you don't even know,
it just makes you look like more of a moron.
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How about if you follow the ENTIRE thread first
before opening your mouth?
My comments were clearly in response to people
saying things like "Be can't win on technology
alone... look at BetaMax vs. VHS or Apple vs. DOS/Windows."
Thank you very little.
-WW
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Umm wrong. In the beginning, DIVX had a *LOT* of
money to spend. They were going to launch a focused, $100-million ad campaign touting DIVX.
On the other hand, DVD had no such focus because
it wasn't a single company. There were no ad
campaigns to try and explain what DVD was all
about, or how it was better than DIVX.
In addition, DIVX had the support of many studios
(some exclusively) through million-dollar bribes
that were paid out (more money).
They indeed had more marketing. (Or would you care
to pull out some DVD ads from 1 1/2 years ago?)
-WW
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That's strange... I tried using MSIE 5.0 in
;)
Win2000, and it crashed about 5-10 times a day.
Netscape 4.6 crashes only once or twice a WEEK.
And when MSIE goes down, it f*cks up the entire
system.
If that's an "innovation" from MS, then I'll take
a "stagnant" company like Netscape/AOL any day...
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E*TRADE makes IPO's open to individual investors.
Not all of them, but a lot... (it's common for them to get 5 or 6 a week).
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It opened at around $80 on the open market, and
shot above $100. Day traders would have made 25%.
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Yes that's right folks.
Throw out your old BetaMax vs. VHS, Mac vs. DOS
analogies. We're living in the net times. A place
where a superior technology (DVD) can beat an
inferior technology with more marketing power (DIVX). Word of mouth on the net, grassroots
campaigns, etc. can push the cream to the top...
even past all the marketdroids from M$.
-WW
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Your math must be different from mine.
Half of 10 (the upper limit estimate, BTW) is 5.
It priced at 6. That means they made MORE than
half of what they expected, not "almost half."
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I would be very surprised to learn that any of
that 8 million was Be employees buying or selling.
They get their stock options from headquarters,
not from the market (in general). And they
probably aren't allowed (or discouraged) from
selling stock so soon after the IPO.
-WW
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Now they just have to pry that stock out of their
employees cold, dead hands?
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You've obviously never used BeOS. It is as
mainstream as Linux. Be targeted things at the
"digital media" market just as Linux was targeted
at the server market (and you don't suppose Unix
had a few "unreasonably loyal" followers, do ya?).
By the way, you've seemed to forgotten about a
little trial going on called US Gov't vs.
Microsoft.
See ya when the hammer falls.
Just one more thing: "Besides, what makes them
different from all the other "better" systems that
will let them beat Windows?"
You wouldn't even ask that if you had ever really
used BeOS. It is technologically superior to all
other OS's I've seen. No, it's not open source...
just better.
Yeah, that's my opinion, but you asked for it.
"after a few short-term gains they're liable to
lose their shirts."
Same could be said about 90% of all stocks.
-WW
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Ha hahahahaha... I love it. No doubt you are an
open source advocate, right?
Well welcome to the world of Open Source! The
street goes both ways. Watch your step, folks.
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"the kind of people that are here (people that are mostly already converted to linux, in thought if not in deed)."
Actually, I don't like Linux, other than it being
a thorn in Microsoft's side. I've tried it several
times, but prefer BeOS.
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You're right... what does that have to do with .sig?
my
Please don't assume I use/like Windoze just
because I write a pro-GUI statement. Ever heard
of BeOS?
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I'm so sick of this phrase... "The Microsoft of
Linux."
What does that mean anyway?
Are you saying that RedHat should strive to break
even? You don't want them to be a successful
company? Is Microsoft the only successfuly company
you've ever heard of, or do you just want to
associate RedHat with an eviiiiiiiiiiil entity?
Just wait until they've gone public, if you think
they're trying to be "like Microsoft" now.
-WW
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Not to be too anal, but "cult following of /." ;-)
and "Slashdot is part of our culture" are
redundant.
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