Sell maybe RedHat, Debian, (insert any major distro i forgot here) versions in stores. Put the logo on the front to indicate which distro it's for. As for the rest, how about a pull-down list on the website? "Select your distro" and it sends you to the right place. Download direct or mail-order 6-8 weeks.
Better yet, follow the LSB standards for file locations and let the non-standard distros make symlinks. Isn't that what standards are for?
----- kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). kernel: lp0 off-line kernel: lp0 out of paper
You can't say that the differences are minor; if they are then there's no need for 39 different versions of a commercial app.
Actually, i will make that contention. StarOffice works with any Linux, WordPerfect works with any Linux, Netscape (consider 3.x) works with any Linux, RealPlayer works with any Linux, Opera will probably be for any Linux when it's released, all as long as that "any Linux" has the proper libraries. None of these release the source (remember, Netscape didn't release the 3.x sources). So why can't CodeWarrior do the same? Then again, for all we know they do and they're just going with the "RedHat==Linux" mentality suits tend to have when labeling the box.
And Red Hat *does* support the FSSTND and they are actively supporting LSB.
Defensive, aren't you? I never said RedHat didn't follow the standards, nor did i even imply it. Although a number of possibly unofficial rpms do install config files in strange places, mess with/usr/local, and such...
----- kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). kernel: lp0 off-line kernel: lp0 out of paper
Twenty-four hours is a long time. One hour might be better...
Maybe, maybe not. It's something for the psychologists among us to figure out, what time delay will have the most impact? 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 8.5 seconds? A random value between.5 and 2 hours?
Another interesting Slashdot feature concerning this would be to have an option in your preferences to automatically protest everyone in a database of misusers managed by Slashdot itself. Of course all submitions would have to be verified but how hard can that be?
I would think it'd be more effective if everyone had to actively select to protest every article. Otherwise, you'd get suits saying "Who cares? It's only three people, the other 29,997 just abdicated the decisions to them. They probably never even read our article!"
Now, if only there were a way to keep them from saying that last sentence anyway, given some of the/. posts... The/. Effect might help counter that argument though;)
----- kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). kernel: lp0 off-line kernel: lp0 out of paper
Northwestern only has a prototype version, the commercial one isn't supposed to be nearly as good. Not even any good visual software, the NU people had to hack that in themselves! But maybe it'll have better than a 20 minute battery?
Now, do the real ones have that robot-with-no-skin look the prototype has?;)
----- kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). kernel: lp0 off-line kernel: lp0 out of paper
I've heard from reliable sources that the commercial version isn't even programmable, you can't teach it new tricks. Where's the fun in that?
I've also heard they plan on selling a "developer box" for even more $$$ that will let you actually program the thing (maybe only a special version of the thing?) So unfortunately, teaching it to compile your kernel is out.
----- kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). kernel: lp0 off-line kernel: lp0 out of paper
if there were no complaints to this address yet (in the last 24 hours or so), the letter is mailed and the address recorded. If there has already been a complaint to that address, no mail is sent.
If enough people hit submit, how about every 24 hours send a message saying "In the past 24 hours, X people have filled out a form at http://www.slashdot.org protesting your misuse of the word 'hacker' in your atricle at http://www.foobar.com/baz/etc." And continue with the correct definition of the word, quote from the Jargon File and such. Conclude "We chose this form of protest over other possibilities to avoid damage to your mailserver from recieving X emails in under 24 hours."
----- kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling). kernel: lp0 off-line kernel: lp0 out of paper
Let's take the best[worst?]-case scenario: NT was released in January and immediately grabbed a huge market share, while Linux wasn't begun until December (yes, i made those dates up). So, NT being in widespread use for under a year qualifies as "before Linux was a glimmer in Linus' eye." Perhaps in this case. More likely, NT hardly had the 'market penetration' and bug fixing to have the internet running well on it in under a year.
Please, next time think before you post. Why am i not surprised you posted as an anonymous coward?
Chapter and verse: FHS 2.0, section 4.6./usr/local is supposed to be guaranteed not to be touched by system software (i.e. distro) updates. In addition,
This directory should always be empty after first installing a FHS-compliant system. No exceptions to this rule should be made other than the listed directory stubs.
/usr/bin is for "most user commands",/usr/sbin is for non-essential standard system tools, while/opt sounds like what you expect from/usr/local.
Redhat vaguely bothers me because it does mess with/usr/local...
It seems as though Debian has a very verbal community that is more than willing to attack redhat users (e.g. a previous Slashdot.org post labeled Debian as the distro for hackers and Redhat - the distro for newbies)
Vi vs Emacs. WindowMaker vs KDE vs nearly-every-other-WM. Debian vs Redhat. For the most part, it's a matter of personal preference and the way you're used to. Or at least that's how i see it.
I find redhat infintely more useful than debian purely because the binary packages are more up to date
Except in a few cases where something just doesn't work or needs a large amount of tweaking to fit in with Debian's guidelines or when the maintainer is short on time, the unstable tree seems to be quite up to date. The stable tree is behind, because everything there is what it known for sure to work well. If you don't mind risking it a little, just add the unstable tree to/etc/apt/sources.list.
And if you really need something not in a deb, you can always get the source and compile it under/usr/local.
dselect is an eye-sore
Sometimes i wonder if i'm the only one who likes dselect... And if you don't like it, you can always download the debs from the packages listing and do a dpkg --install.
debian advocates loud apt, but scorn untested software, but forgive me if i'm wrong isn't apt unstable at this time?
Nope, it's stable. As for scorning untested software, are you only looking at stable?
debian seems to be more about unix standards and redhat more about GUI admin tools.
Personally, i'd rather have standards so i can find what i'm looking for over a plethora of GUI tools. Other people would much rather have the GUI for everything. Again, it's personal preference and fodder for a holy war.
I'd especially like to know how to make usable debs from RPMs/source of my work (i hear alien doesn't work so well after all)
i would too, one of these days when i have time i plan on teaching myself. As for alien, the problem comes in when the alien package puts files where the distro doesn't want them...
This is what i get for coding until 2AM
on
Jargon File v4.1.0
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· Score: 2
Not thinking completely straight. i should have said that i have a script available to convert the framed version (download the tarball) into a format similar to the old version's. Although it wouldn't be hard to change the script to make one huge HTML file... Maybe tomorrow. If my computer still works;)
Well, i tried to, at least. If anyone wants to test it out, download it from http://anomie.dyn.cx/JFF.tar.gz, at least until my computer gets slashdotted. Feel free to mirror it, or at least send comments or suggestions.
One of my favorite parts of reading the Jargon File was that i would start by looking up 'random' and end up reading 'random numbers', 'randomness', 'rape', 'rare mode', 'raster blaster', and on and on. It's harder to do that with the new layout, i'd rather just keep reading down a page than have to press a link to hit the next entry.
I had NO problem whatsoever in removing the admittedly annoying FVWM95 and installing WindowMaker instead
The way i read it, the problem wasn't changing the default wm, but that RedHat replaced hand edits to the config files on reboot. Or is that fixable too? i wouldn't know, never used RedHat myself and so i have little to say about it.
Mine's a SB16 PnP, so according to the HOWTOs it has to be modularized. And it does work that way.
Compiled the kernel with sound as a module. Ended up with adlib_card.o, opl3.o, sb.o, soundcore.o, sound.o, and uart401.o in/lib/modules. Also, i use isapnptools-1.17, pnpdump --config gave me the expected settings there.
i put in a script to initilize the thing on boot.
#!/bin/sh case "$1" in start) echo -n "Setting up sound card..." # Plug n Play config isapnp/etc/isapnp.conf # Install basic sound modules insmod soundcore insmod sound # init'ize uart thing, because sb needs it insmod uart401 # Set up the actual sound card! Pulled numbers out of isapnp.conf insmod sb io=0x220 irq=9 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x300 type=6 # Midi support. Note that this automatically loads opl3.o as well modprobe adlib_card io=0x388 echo "Done." esac
exit 0
i'm not sure how many of those insmods could be done with modprobe, don't feel much like changing it because it works fine as-is for me.
Maybe the mirror really is bad, or maybe you just have packages left from hamm whose names were changed and no one set 'conflicts' for the replacement. It happened to me, about 8 packages that turned out to be just old.
Why not use kernel-package to handle the kernel? You still configure everything as before, but it creates a.deb that dpkg can install and uninstall. More info: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/debian-faq-11.html#s s11.1
i'm running 2.2.2 right now and x11amp sounds just fine over my SB16PnP. It took a little work to get it that way, but once i got it set up in 2.2.0 it didn't give any more trouble. Here's how i did it, maybe this'll help.
On advice from a HOWTO, i downloaded and compiled isapnptools-1.17. pnpdump --config gave the expected output, so i just redirected to isapnp.conf to save myself some work.
Compiled the kernel with sound as a module. Ended up with adlib_card.o, opl3.o, sb.o, soundcore.o, sound.o, and uart401.o in/lib/modules.
Finally, i put in a script to initilize the thing on boot. #!/bin/bash case "$1" in start) echo "Setting up sound card..." # Plug n Play config isapnp/etc/isapnp.conf # Install basic sound modules insmod soundcore insmod sound # init'ize uart thing, because sb needs it insmod uart401 # Set up the actual sound card! Pulled numbers out of isapnp.conf insmod sb io=0x220 irq=9 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x300 type=6 # Midi support. Note that this automatically loads opl3.o as well modprobe adlib_card io=0x388 echo "Done." esac
exit 0
i'm not sure how many of those insmods could be done with modprobe, don't feel much like changing it because it works fine as-is for me.
Slashdot Mirror
Better yet, follow the LSB standards for file locations and let the non-standard distros make symlinks. Isn't that what standards are for?
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kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
So use a distro from a group that isn't a company. *coughdebiancough*
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kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
Actually, i will make that contention. StarOffice works with any Linux, WordPerfect works with any Linux, Netscape (consider 3.x) works with any Linux, RealPlayer works with any Linux, Opera will probably be for any Linux when it's released, all as long as that "any Linux" has the proper libraries. None of these release the source (remember, Netscape didn't release the 3.x sources). So why can't CodeWarrior do the same? Then again, for all we know they do and they're just going with the "RedHat==Linux" mentality suits tend to have when labeling the box.
And Red Hat *does* support the FSSTND and they are actively supporting LSB.
Defensive, aren't you? I never said RedHat didn't follow the standards, nor did i even imply it. Although a number of possibly unofficial rpms do install config files in strange places, mess with /usr/local, and such...
-----
kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
Maybe, maybe not. It's something for the psychologists among us to figure out, what time delay will have the most impact? 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 8.5 seconds? A random value between .5 and 2 hours?
Another interesting Slashdot feature concerning this would be to have an option in your preferences to automatically protest everyone in a database of misusers managed by Slashdot itself. Of course all submitions would have to be verified but how hard can that be?
I would think it'd be more effective if everyone had to actively select to protest every article. Otherwise, you'd get suits saying "Who cares? It's only three people, the other 29,997 just abdicated the decisions to them. They probably never even read our article!"
Now, if only there were a way to keep them from saying that last sentence anyway, given some of the /. posts... The /. Effect might help counter that argument though ;)
-----
kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
Now, do the real ones have that robot-with-no-skin look the prototype has? ;)
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kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
I've also heard they plan on selling a "developer box" for even more $$$ that will let you actually program the thing (maybe only a special version of the thing?) So unfortunately, teaching it to compile your kernel is out.
-----
kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
If enough people hit submit, how about every 24 hours send a message saying "In the past 24 hours, X people have filled out a form at http://www.slashdot.org protesting your misuse of the word 'hacker' in your atricle at http://www.foobar.com/baz/etc." And continue with the correct definition of the word, quote from the Jargon File and such. Conclude "We chose this form of protest over other possibilities to avoid damage to your mailserver from recieving X emails in under 24 hours."
-----
kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
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kernel: lp0: using parport0 (polling).
kernel: lp0 off-line
kernel: lp0 out of paper
From your own post, NT 3.1 was released in 1991.
Let's take the best[worst?]-case scenario: NT was released in January and immediately grabbed a huge market share, while Linux wasn't begun until December (yes, i made those dates up). So, NT being in widespread use for under a year qualifies as "before Linux was a glimmer in Linus' eye." Perhaps in this case. More likely, NT hardly had the 'market penetration' and bug fixing to have the internet running well on it in under a year.
Please, next time think before you post. Why am i not surprised you posted as an anonymous coward?
This directory should always be empty after first installing a FHS-compliant system. No exceptions to this rule should be made other than the listed directory stubs.
Redhat vaguely bothers me because it does mess with /usr/local...
Vi vs Emacs. WindowMaker vs KDE vs nearly-every-other-WM. Debian vs Redhat. For the most part, it's a matter of personal preference and the way you're used to. Or at least that's how i see it.
I find redhat infintely more useful than debian purely because the binary packages are more up to date
Except in a few cases where something just doesn't work or needs a large amount of tweaking to fit in with Debian's guidelines or when the maintainer is short on time, the unstable tree seems to be quite up to date. The stable tree is behind, because everything there is what it known for sure to work well. If you don't mind risking it a little, just add the unstable tree to /etc/apt/sources.list.
And if you really need something not in a deb, you can always get the source and compile it under /usr/local.
dselect is an eye-sore
Sometimes i wonder if i'm the only one who likes dselect... And if you don't like it, you can always download the debs from the packages listing and do a dpkg --install.
debian advocates loud apt, but scorn untested software, but forgive me if i'm wrong isn't apt unstable at this time?
Nope, it's stable. As for scorning untested software, are you only looking at stable?
debian seems to be more about unix standards and redhat more about GUI admin tools.
Personally, i'd rather have standards so i can find what i'm looking for over a plethora of GUI tools. Other people would much rather have the GUI for everything. Again, it's personal preference and fodder for a holy war.
I'd especially like to know how to make usable debs from RPMs/source of my work (i hear alien doesn't work so well after all)
i would too, one of these days when i have time i plan on teaching myself. As for alien, the problem comes in when the alien package puts files where the distro doesn't want them...
Not thinking completely straight. i should have said that i have a script available to convert the framed version (download the tarball) into a format similar to the old version's. Although it wouldn't be hard to change the script to make one huge HTML file... Maybe tomorrow. If my computer still works ;)
Well, i tried to, at least. If anyone wants to test it out, download it from http://anomie.dyn.cx/JFF.tar.gz, at least until my computer gets slashdotted. Feel free to mirror it, or at least send comments or suggestions.
AOL! ;)
One of my favorite parts of reading the Jargon File was that i would start by looking up 'random' and end up reading 'random numbers', 'randomness', 'rape', 'rare mode', 'raster blaster', and on and on. It's harder to do that with the new layout, i'd rather just keep reading down a page than have to press a link to hit the next entry.
Just because 98% of the people believe something doesn't necessarily make it true.
I had NO problem whatsoever in removing the admittedly annoying FVWM95 and installing WindowMaker instead
The way i read it, the problem wasn't changing the default wm, but that RedHat replaced hand edits to the config files on reboot. Or is that fixable too? i wouldn't know, never used RedHat myself and so i have little to say about it.
...is that it won't even install now that i'm using glibc 2.1. Or am i just doing something wrong?
Tone hearing-impaired, maybe, but not tone deaf
Mine's a SB16 PnP, so according to the HOWTOs it has to be modularized. And it does work that way.
/lib/modules. Also, i use isapnptools-1.17, pnpdump --config gave me the expected settings there.
/bin/sh /etc/isapnp.conf
Compiled the kernel with sound as a module. Ended up with adlib_card.o, opl3.o, sb.o, soundcore.o, sound.o, and uart401.o in
i put in a script to initilize the thing on boot.
#!
case "$1" in
start)
echo -n "Setting up sound card..."
# Plug n Play config
isapnp
# Install basic sound modules
insmod soundcore
insmod sound
# init'ize uart thing, because sb needs it
insmod uart401
# Set up the actual sound card! Pulled numbers out of isapnp.conf
insmod sb io=0x220 irq=9 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x300 type=6
# Midi support. Note that this automatically loads opl3.o as well
modprobe adlib_card io=0x388
echo "Done."
esac
exit 0
i'm not sure how many of those insmods could be done with modprobe, don't feel much like changing it because it works fine as-is for me.
Maybe the mirror really is bad, or maybe you just have packages left from hamm whose names were changed and no one set 'conflicts' for the replacement. It happened to me, about 8 packages that turned out to be just old.
.deb that dpkg can install and uninstall. More info: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/debian-faq-11.html#s s11.1
Why not use kernel-package to handle the kernel? You still configure everything as before, but it creates a
;)
Too bad there isn't a punctuation mark for "congradulations", i want a subject with no actual letters in it.
;)
i'm running 2.2.2 right now and x11amp sounds just fine over my SB16PnP. It took a little work to get it that way, but once i got it set up in 2.2.0 it didn't give any more trouble. Here's how i did it, maybe this'll help.
/lib/modules.
/bin/bash /etc/isapnp.conf
On advice from a HOWTO, i downloaded and compiled isapnptools-1.17. pnpdump --config gave the expected output, so i just redirected to isapnp.conf to save myself some work.
Compiled the kernel with sound as a module. Ended up with adlib_card.o, opl3.o, sb.o, soundcore.o, sound.o, and uart401.o in
Finally, i put in a script to initilize the thing on boot.
#!
case "$1" in
start)
echo "Setting up sound card..."
# Plug n Play config
isapnp
# Install basic sound modules
insmod soundcore
insmod sound
# init'ize uart thing, because sb needs it
insmod uart401
# Set up the actual sound card! Pulled numbers out of isapnp.conf
insmod sb io=0x220 irq=9 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x300 type=6
# Midi support. Note that this automatically loads opl3.o as well
modprobe adlib_card io=0x388
echo "Done."
esac
exit 0
i'm not sure how many of those insmods could be done with modprobe, don't feel much like changing it because it works fine as-is for me.