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Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 Released
Debian GNU/Linux 2.1, aka slink, was released last night (again). It contains well over 2500 packages, and
packages for GNOME and KDE, though not included in the distro, are available. Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and m68k are the supported architechtures. Potato (2.2) should be frozen shortly.
More details and CD order form at netgod.net. Congrats, guys!
..and I am still in my office, and the fucking
code does not work. 17 hours in front of it.
Fuck.
And I should fucking care about fucking Debian?
With fucking KDE and all bells and whistles?
You got to be kidding.
Great! I will try it! coz i am tired of RedHat's !
Where else in an announcement like this do you get to see 'Potato will be frozen soon'?
Best remark I've seen in a long time. It's humor like this that keeps me reading /. I'm just glad I got here before moderators gave you a -4.
I figure I'll pick up a bunch of $1.99 cds from Cheapbytes, and sell them for $4-$5
Whoa, you must be smart!
Why do you bother reading shashdot at all if you got so much work to do?
> 'Potato will be frozen soon'
I thoght that should happen i the fall,
if you didn't dig'em up in time, but soon?
:)
Um... potato will be frozen soon? Are you serious? I thought we'd have that as unstable for a few months... kernel 2.2, HFS, and more... I was under the impression this might be Debian 3.0, and not come about until well into next spring...
I read that Debian supports m68k machines, but it doesn't yet have boot disks for Macs. Has this changed as of 2.1? I have 2 old Macs that I'm dying to install a real OS on.
Of course, Net and Open BSD are both options too, but I'm more familiar with Linux, so it might be preferable.
t1mwolf@wellesley.edu
And when does the Woody release come out?
uh, no time soon i hope...
can see the ads now: 'Got Wood?'
no, uh uh, does not sound right to me.
Keep'em coming!
window managers / gui's support themes
Debian, release often? What are you smoking? This is like.. almost only six months after it went under the freeze. Debian doesn't release ENOUGH. Debian needs to release MORE.
They also need to vastly simplify their install procedure. I've never seen something get a load of 58 on a laptop. Ever. I thought the poor thing was going to die. (It's a 486 Network Monitoring Device.)
Does this distribution support themes?
see subject
Slink is 2.2.x ready. It even includes the 2.2.2? source package for your compiling pleasure ...
I use slink and kernel v2.2.2. My parallel port printer just works like it did before.. (Epson Stylus Color)
Debian 2.0 already had install disks for m68k macs. I used them to install Debian on my Quadra700. 2.1 of course also have install floppies for Macs.
see subject
No, you're wrong. Sid is the place for architectures that never have been released.
Go ahead and flame this AC. Just name the Linux distro that is more stable than Debian GNU/Linux - preferrably from your own experience - not something you read in a pamphlet or on a web page, and I'll try it.
:P
If they really do, cool. :) I read on a webpage somewhere withing the www.debian.org hierarchy saying that they didn't exist yet, but I'm glad to see that this was wrong. :)
t1mwolf@wellesley.edu
Well, it *is* "fall" (Autumn) in the southern ;)
hemisphere, so I suppose it might be sooner than
you think
I've been using kernel 2.2.1 with the frozen distribution for many weeks. My parallel port printer (Canon bj200e) works great!
I'm about to upgrade to 2.2.3.
When I installed m68k Debian on my Amiga, I still had to boot to the Amiga side, the boot debian from there. Of course, this was just a one-line change to my startup-sequence. It was nearly unnoticable that it was doing a double boot.
I upgrade my Debian release every week or so. Have you tried:
apt-get upgrade
I can't think of a simpler upgrade procedure.
If Debian was any good, like ANY good, IBM and other would have invested in it. Being Open Source and all and full of coolness and Open and all and backed by all those Free developers and all and because Debian has dpkg and all and because Bruce says Openness is good and all.
And if any of that crap were true, IBM would have invested money in Debian. They didnt.
Red Hat is Linux. Debian is just a hobby - bit like fishing. Guess its time to cut bait and use Red Hat. Just like everyone else is.
pro:
The main advantage of debian is its package system, similar to RPM, but able to handle mutliple levels of depenedencies (requires, recommended, suggested), giving bettr ability to upgrade safely.
pro:
Instead of GUI sys-ad tools, debian administration is doen the old fashioned way, editing config files. This provides more power.
pro:
Debian normally is more stable, and has less errors then Redhat, as they aren't driven by prophit, and can afford to delay a release 3 months.
pro:
Debian is RMS friendly, its the ony distribution, that requires software to be free (open source) to be in its main distribution.
con:
If you don't know what files to edit, its hard to admin.
con:
The installation isn't as user friendly as redhats. Some say its harder to install (I've installed both and don't see one being that much easier)
I might have missed some, but thats the main points
If you switched from Windows short time ago and tried only Redhat, I suggest you not to switch to Debian.
If you need serious operating system, run buissnes on it, or learn something that really tries to be real Unix choose it.
The install procedure is a little bit boring, but once when you install it, it is perfect.. It comes on 3 CD's with BUNCH of packages, even base (thinkin' on rc.d) is IMHO better than Redhat's.
Also, if you care at all, it's the distribution that cares about GPL most.
If you like to administrate your machine from X, stay at Redhat, Debian will probably bother you.
I started on Ultrix and never became familiar with Windoze.. tried many flavors of Unix.. and I
like Debian so much..
The official page is a bit sparse as far as kernel 2.2 compatibility with slink. For a full list of what breaks, please see my web page about this
Robert Woodcock - rcw@debian.org
... after all, we all know what the score is. Debian is stable, usable, useful and (most importantly) fun. My own Linux box is Red Hat, but I will be the last to flame Debian as 'just a hobby' -- after all, Linus started programming the Key To World Domination just as a hobby.
So please, let the troll die in peace. Let him return to whatever talking irradiated mango gave him such a load of poppycock, and let's not get into yet another stupid distro war.
This is my own experience, and I don't make any claim that it's Universal Truth for anybody. However, Debian 1.3 was an absolute bear to install on my own machine. I spent the better part of a couple of days trying to figure out a set of packages that would be internally consistent and not conflict with each other. I finally gave up and installed Red Hat 4.2. It installed beautifully, without a single hitch.
I've used Red Hat ever since.
Do I think Debian is a bad distro? Oh, hell, no. I don't even think Yggdrasil's very-old-and-crufty distro is a bad distro. If you're enjoying the distro, if it's fun, and if it does what you need it to do, then you've got the right distro.
For me, the right distro is Red Hat.
Noone invests in Debian for the simple reason that Debian is not a for-profit company. However, Debian is glad to have companies like VA Research and Mindspring Communications supporting Debian all the way.
Everybody uses windows. Windows is what a PC is.
Doesn't sound as nice does it?
If debian is too much for you then use RedHat. That's the key, freedom to choose.
What I love in Debian is the myriad of nice and stable packages. Other distributions have a looong way to go, there.
Is it just possible that the poster has a point?
You are a moron. Plain and simple. Your train of thought was derailed a long time ago apparently.
That's the funniest thing I've heard this morning!
Debian is RMS friendly, its the ony distribution, that requires software to be free (open source) to be in its main distribution.
:) The difference is largely a design one; there are good design principles behind both decisions.
:)
Red Hat also requires this. Older versions shipped with proprietary software. Nowadays everything is Open Source/Free Software, or else it's packaged on a non-Red Hat contributions CD.
Debian normally is more stable, and has less errors then Redhat, as they aren't driven by profit, and can afford to delay a release 3 months
(Minor spelling error corrected in the above quote)
Debian may well be more stable, but Red Hat and SuSE aren't slackers in the stability arena, either. If it's Linux, it's going to be worlds more stable than NT. Claiming that one distro is more stable than another is really hair-splitting.
For what it's worth, I've had remarkably few problems with my RH 5.2 box. Once I got it up and running (installation always has a couple of glitches, no matter what distro you use) it worked beautifully.
Instead of GUI sys-ad tools, debian administration is doen the old fashioned way, editing config files. This provides more power.
I'm not certain that this is either a pro or a con. GUI-based configuration tools have a radically shorter learning curve and a tradeoff of some flexibility. People who hail vi as the ultimate configuration file editor have probably forgotten how excruciating it was to learn all the intricacies of sendmail.cf.
None of this is meant to be a slam towards Debian. I'm an unrepentant Red Hat user (who's pretty darn tired of hearing every wannabe scream that they're the next Microsoft), y'all in the Debian community are unrepentant Debian users, and neither one of us has anything to be particularly repentant about.
It's Linux, after all. It's a Good Thing.
Nope.
That was really stupid remark, seems like you did
not even try Debian. I have tried both and I love Debian.
But to your argument: They invest in RH because it has the largest user base and there's a company behind it. I guess they would shy to invest in SPI.
Edheldil
benkovsk (at) pha.pvt.cz
See subject.
By the way, i'm not the one who posted the "sell for $4-$5" comment (if you're wondering).
You obviously are a troll. You judge it this way, IBM does not back Debian, thus Debian is as Good as RedHat (which you certainly use and think that it makes your dick grow more). Well, this is wrong. You can't really invest in Debian since it is a volunteer driven project. And many companies did help them by donating hardware, HD space and bandwidth for mirrors, etc, ..e.g. like SUN donated serveral Ultras to further their UltraSparc port.
.. get a clue.
Also, I would like to note the 2 differences between RedHat and Debian. Debian has a superior package management system, point (and it never breaks). Debian releases have much less bugs when compared to RedHat releases. RedHat is easier to install. Debian is easier to maintain. Most RedHat users that I know who tried Debian, kept on using it and never went back to RedHat. I am not saying that RedHat is bad, just want to point out that you are a troll and additionaly with no clue
Fucker.
HAND.
i have been running slink since january without any problems , i also installed 2.2.0 as soon as it was released , without any problems.
/usr/src /boot/223 /etc/lilo.conf
btw debians italian mirror is fucked up, bunch of files are missing in slink/....
just get kernel-2.2.3.tar.gz
put it in
then do
tar xzvf kernel-2.2.3.tar.gz
cd linux
make mrproper
make menuconfig
make bzImage
make modules
make modules_install
mv arch/your_arch_here/bzImage
modify
lilo
shutdown -r now
...
Lucid reply. Clearly a Debian luser.
And now there's apt. Apt is really worlds better.
But hey, if RH works for you, more power to ya. :-)
Alright, i'm fairly new to linux, and have used vi _and_ xedit (or some other editor) to edit configuration files. A question that has been burning a hole in my brain is this:
Why would anyone use vi instead of xedit (or another easy to use editor)? We're just editing text files after all --so why *not* use something easy to use and just ditch vi?
Maybe I haven't learned the advantages of vi, but that's why I'm asking.
Are you sick? Why do you need 4 reboots to install Debian. Just tell me right here. BTW, you can upgrade Debian 2.0 to 2.1 without rebooting at all.
I have used both RedHat and Debian for over a year. I prefer Debian for the reasons everyone else does (good pkg manager, overall quality, tons of packages, freeness,etc). But I must agree that the list of packages presented in 1.3 was totally confusing to a new user (who has no Idea what they are what they are good for). But in hamm and slink (v2.1) durind installation you are now presented with a choice of a system configuration like worstation, web server, develpment tools, etc, that make selecting packages much easier, even for a new user.
P.S. : I still go to dselect and choose packages that I want.
You must be very smart too.
I just downloaded the files to install Debian from my Dos partition. Upon running install.bat, I get the following message:
...
Uncompressing linux:
invalid compressed format (err=2)
--System halted
Any ideas what I can do?
Debian, unlike most other distros, is a non-commercial distribution. They don't even sell CDs -- they make images available that anyone can download, label as "official debian CDs", and sell.
Now tell me this... why would a commercial company invest in a non-profit venture? There's no incoming profit, so what would they gain? With RedHat, IBM's money will probably be worth more tomorrow than it is today (hence "investment"), whereas with debian they would be making a "donation" with no return.
Besides, when was commercial attention a sign of quality? It's usually a sign of capital feasibility -- redhat will probably be making money for a long time. So will windows (unless we're lucky). That's why so many companies invest in things like Microsoft and RedHat. Do you really think Windows is of higher quality that RedHat, Debian, or FreeBSD?
Debian takes 4 reboots? Since when? I installed the whole thing in *one* boot cycle.
And, if you're using apt, you'll notice that installs and upgrades are *far* easier than they are with redhat. And, when i upgraded from debian 2.1 to 2.2, i did it without rebooting at all.
Now *that's* stability.
Nope. They have an older version of Gnome. This release was "frozen" before Gnome 1.0 came out -- which means that only bug fixes in critical programs could be checked in.
I must be doing something wrong, I can only get it to reboot once. But I'm just a newbie!
Maybe you should try NT, if you like reboots, that's where the action is....
You just said it. Debian is JUST non-profit. It absolutely guarentees its failure.
Kill the other commercial distro's except Debian, which cant do any damage.
Red Hat are laughing all the way to the Bank.
Debian works - they get the money. Perfect!
You must surely follow your own advice:
Cum early, Wank often!
Go home. Sleep. Come back in the morning, and nine times out of ten I find my subconsious has figured out what the problem was, or at least a better way to track it down.
Anyone who has more than a passing acquaintance with Linux will tell you it is the best distro currently available.
You would have to do some serious tweaking to get a Red Hat box anywhere near as stable or secure as a similar system running Debian...and I know which box I would rather be using as my firewall.
They have this written in their package listings
I thought Wine was(Is) Not an Emulator. Have
I been deceived?
You should spend more time using Linux and less time reading the Red Hat press releases, at least then you might know what you are talking about!
I think the next version ('potato') is supposed to
ship with GNOME 1.0. In any case, they already have
0.99.8 debs available in the unstable branch, but
I personally would wait until the new ones appear on
ftp.gnome.org.
Sorry dude,
.rpm's
.debs on his own time and with his own resources whilst we watch yet another corporation rape the Operating System Market and set the IT industry back a decade like old Billy Boy did in the late 80's and early 90's.
Since Red Hat is pouring money into Gnome in an attempt to make Linux simpler for newbies and therefore monopolize the Linux "market", the folks at Gnome have sold their proverbial souls to this "junior Microsoft" and subsequently only released
We will have to wait until some poor bastard creates the
The best way to protest this is to use another product - like KDE, at least they are remaining true to the Open Source Ethos...
Try making a boot disk using Rawrite and the Resc1440.bin image, that may circumvent the problem without wasting undue time on it.
I am generally a Gnome supporter, but:
Point KDE?
Stop reloading Slashdot every minute and get some sleep
You are a fool. IBM just invested in Red Hat. Or are Debian users so blinded by religeous zeal that they cant *READ*
IBM, Compaq, Novel, Netscape, Intel have all invested in the company. They produce a real Linux that works.
Stop wasting your time and money on a charity driven OS and use Real Linux(tm) ie: Red Hat.
Yup - they are poor. Its FREE SOFTWARE. RedSoft and MicroHat get the money.
:-D
Still, they do get a good nites sleep knowing they have helped the Linux cause. Yeah, thats better than money. All that ego value, huggy-feely stuff. Bet the RedSoft folk drive off to their large homes in their large cars feeling pretty sick.
Kinda makes me feel all sad and sorry for them. The Debian folk that is.....
...unless you are just sheep to braindead RMS in which case you're hopeless
Sometimes you don't have X available.
You sir are an arsehole. RMS does more for free software in a day than you could hope to achieve in a lifetime.
Your model for success angers me. Hey, I thought that the Linux community (according to the Open Source ethic) is supposed to support non-commercial entities, which will lead to a greater level of innovation and democracy in the computer industry.
Mind you, I have no problem with a company like Red Hat... but if you compare their web site with another distro's (like Slackware) you'll notice that maybe they're working on an entirely different ethic (lack of ADVERTISEMENT on Slackware!). This makes me feel good, because I know that their business decisions will not be based in any way on their affiliation with other companies.
Non-commercial distros like Debian are great because they stick with what they're good at - namely, developing an innovative OS as opposed to making tons of cash.
Man, if you don't realize how important that is, then you probably shouldn't even use Linux at all. Stick to your beloved WinSatan box.
BTW, I don't use Linux myself, I'm simply researching as much I can about it before I jump into the great unknown. Go ahead and flame me. I still think Debian is a good candidate.
What the hell are you talking about?
RedHat's package management system is a joke. Against
Debian, it just can't stand up. Period.
Actually try using other distros before flaming them.
uselinux@email.com
?
See above.
thanks
Ron Rangel
Fuck you potty mouth.
Debian is a non-profit organization. Exactly how can you invest in it? Where do I buy stocks?
Guess its time to cut bait and use Red Hat. Just like everyone else is.
Guess its time to cut bait and use Windows 95. Just like everyone else is.
Red Hat is Linux
uh-huh. And windows is an operating system
Like... where's GNOME? Oh, yeah, GNOME is funded and Debians not.
Err, Debian GNU is the official distribution of FSF. Thats why.
You mast be troll.. GNOME developers have included several time patches from Debian developers to make GNOME "Debianizayion" easier.
You have no clue obviously. Just like many other clueless RH (L)users. GNOME developers have repeatedly included the patches from Debian developers to make GNOME "Debianinzation" easier And please don't say that dpkg sucks. The Debian package system blows redhat's out of woter. When you can update and sync the whole system with ftp mirrors just by typing 2 commands on RedHat then we might talk, but now rpm is a joke compared to dpkg/apt/dselect .
"Real Linux" that works ? You must be a windows conver or something. I have ditched RedHat after 5.1 and 5.0 releases. Various bugs were popping out here and there. This is just not right, RedHat is more hype than reality. 5.0 was completely broken. On the other hand Debian releases are rock solid.
IBM, Compaq, Novel have not
bought part of the linux kernel. They produce
real operating systems that work.
Stop wasting your time and money on a charity
driven Linux and use Real Operating systems.
Hrdly anything available ? You have never used Debian, did you?
Slink includes +2500 packages, granted GNOME is not included because slink was frozen way before gnome was released. And it is a matter of days until someone packages GNOME for Debian. And Don't forget that KDE 1.1 debs appeared before rpms. I don't see a point in your argument.
I'm the same AC who used RH 4.2 over Debian 1.3. Just so y'all's know. :) It's not that far of a stretch to compare 1.3 to 2.0/2.1 -- 1.3 is not all that old. Two years or so, maximum. If two years is "old" for an OS, then NT 4.0 is older than the Pyramids. :)
For whatever it's worth, once Potato comes out I'll get a CD of it and give it a whirl. I still doubt that I'll be removing my RH 5.2 anytime soon (well, except to upgrade to 6.0), but I'm willing to give Debian another fair chance.
Debian distributes hundreds of non-free (and contrib) packagese.
Do you really think this policy was set by RMS ?
Okay, you don't like Debian...
Some of us like it enough that it's all we use, and we don't blow goats for entertainment. So what's your point?
non-free and contrib part of distribution were made just for your convenience. However the main distribution is "main" which contains only free software.
There may be other (very minor) differences between free and non-free software at Debian, like cd-rom images, but I do not know any significant differences among free and non-free packages over there. They are both treated the same. And of course, if the owner of the store was actually the FSF, I expect, Debian would look a lot different than today.
ROTFL :))
BTW, is it true that default Redhat instalation doesn't include shadow password?
If you can't see the monopoly (or Oligopoly!) forming then you must really be stupid!!! And the fact is that Red Hat Research IS a large part of Gnome, they have confirmed that publicly.
.rpm's are a little easier to make, that doesn't mean they should be shipped out the door first.
If Red Hat is so keen to keep Linux free then why do they charge commercial prices for a free product. And why does Gnome support one distro over all others, let's be serious about this, simply because
They are savvy businessmen, no doubt about that, but history has shown time and time again that when business wins out over product, the consumer suffers....
You can get GNOME debs from heres /unstable/main/binary-i386/
/etc/apt/sources.list:
http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2/dist
Or if you use apt just add this line to
deb http://www.debian.org/~jules/gnome-stage-2 unstable main
This debs are updated often and sometimes they might breake dependencys on your system. I have installed them today and they worked well.
Listen you illiterate monkey!
.debs for Gnome 1.0, you can't - can you?
.rpms, doesn't that say something to you, or are you too stupid to see the big picture.
Go now and try to download the
But you can download the
(maybe those fantastic patches are obscuring your view...)
Idea! - Whose, surely not yours since those who blindly advocate Red Hat rarely have any ideas of their own, they just want another corporation to tell them what to think and what to buy.
Isn't the reason most people switch to Linux is to get something that has been produced in such a way as to allow quality to take precedence over profit?
Why bother with Red Hat if that is your mindset, just go back to Windows...
Once you upgrade it, it's hardly 5.2 anymore, is it?
:)
By your logic, I'm still running RH 4.2.
Maybe this dickhead left his installation media in and reinstalled the o/s over itself three times before he realised what a dumbass he was and managed (accidentally)to complete it on the fourth.
(or he thinks ctrl+alt+del switches between VT's)
If you can't see the monopoly (or Oligopoly!) forming then you must really be stupid!!!
.rpm's are a little easier to make, that doesn't mean they should be shipped out the door first.
.tgz's for that same reason. To suggest that there's some malicious intent behind it is ridiculous.
Wow. I must be really stupid, then, because Red Hat fails dismally on every count required to be a monopoly. Take a college microecon course sometime; monopolies have very specific, observable behavior (barriers to entry, predatory business practices, etc) which we cannot observe from Red Hat.
If Red Hat is so keen to keep Linux free then why do they charge commercial prices for a free product.
First, they don't. You can download a complete RH 5.2 system off the net just like you can a complete Debian system.
Second, when you purchase a $50 RH box you are NOT PURCHASING SOFTWARE. You're purchasing 30 days of technical support and the collected expertise of Red Hat. Support is never a free product; it is an activity which is inherently time-consuming, and time is literally money.
If you do not understand this notion, then you are desperately in need of a good economics education.
And why does Gnome support one distro over all others, let's be serious about this, simply because
People tend to make software for their own systems before they make them for other systems. Many of the Gnome developers use Red Hat, for one reason or another; they have more of an interest in creating RPMs before Debian packages or
If you don't like the delay in creating Debian packages, then DOWNLOAD THE SOURCE AND MAKE THEM YOURSELF. Contribute back to the community instead of standing around whining about those that do.
For God's sake, get a life. And while you're at it, get over it.
Yes, wow, you really are stupid, maybe you should spend more time in the real world than trying to quote College Microeconomics crap. Haven't you heard of the concept of adaptability, since fools like you must be able to apply a specific algorithm to denote something all someone with half a brain has to do is use a different strategy and you are stuffed, you can't see past your own Diploma's.
.rpms were given preference, you must be stupid indeed if you cannot concede that.
And when you purchase any "software", if you read the licence agreement you will find you have not purchased the software itself, but the right to use it - once again you have shown your ignorance.
The concept of 30 days of free support is a marketing gimmick, or didn't they teach you about that at college? It would seem that it is you who is in need of a marketing lesson. There is no way every user is going to get all of their individual issues sorted out in less than a month. And what is the quality of this support, I have used products before that have promised the same, and the telephone support has been woeful, believe me college boy, a gimmick is a gimmick!
It seems that you concede that the Gnome personnel do in fact produce their distributions to an agenda, and whether that agenda is malicious or merely self serving can really only be answered by them, you or I cannot know for sure - we can only speculate.
If you must know, I did download the tarballs and compile them myself, like many other users, but that will never change the fact that the
And as for getting a life and getting over things, I would suggest to you that if you cannot participate in an intelligent debate without taking things too seriously, you should not try.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and Slashdot kindly provides a forum, but if you cannot see things objectively, you are in for a brutal shock in the real world.
Believe me, the term "poor bastards" is not meant in a derogatory manner. I merely refer to the fact that these guys are working on their own time, with their own resources, and doing a difficult and seemingly thankless job. They are, in my opinion, the "salt of the earth".
I just feel that it's a pity Red Hat Research and Gnome itself couldn't see their way to assist in producing the packages for all distro's equally themselves. It may be understandable, but it's still just as sad...
Easy dude,
:-)
This is probably fortuitous, since Redhat is crap anyway
Just do a basic install of Debian, from floppies if you want, and get and install the packages related to PPP, apt and apt-get. Just read the documentation on these and it will tell you how to set it up and use it, it is really very simple and most effective. It will do all of the hard work involved in installing and upgrading for you!!!
Good luck.
Come on, you know there is nothing like that. Quit confusing people with trick questions ;)
I don't know why im taking the time to respond to fools like you. But the only reason IBM doesnt invest in redhat is there is no commercial backing. If that is not apparent to you then you are just too stupid for words.
No fucking shit you idiot, are you redhat users to stupd to read? I said the only reason they invested in them is because they are a company. Not because there dist is the best.
1.3? man, that is like really old. That's like me going and getting a dos 2.11 install and saying NT4.0 sucks because of it. There is that much difference... well nearly Give 2.1 a try, its really good.
I've been looking for gnome 1.0 debs and they don't seem to exist. Can anyone help? I'm assuming that when it said in the article that gnome was available I'm assuming they meant 1.0...
Thanks guys.
I got stuck on it for hours, and had to frob the power switch.
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
All things being equal, I think I'd rather have a woody and a buzz right now.
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
A term I've seen used to describe this type of difference is Guru Friendly vs. Newbie Friendly. vi's usefulness goes beyond that, though, as it doesn't require a GUI (which is optional) to edit things.
From the vi editor faq: And, sometimes we're not just editing text-files, we're transforming them, or programming.
The distribution names come from characters in Toy Story, presumably because Bruce Perens works for Pixar.
--
W.A.S.T.E.
W.A.S.T.E.
I personally use vim (and gvim occasionally) because they start in under 5 seconds. (as opposed to most other [EMACS] editors I've used with similar levels of functionality..)
Daniel
Hurry up and jump on the individualist bandwagon!
Instead of continuing the pathetic flame, why not contribute something to the discussion? Calling people "luser" is hardly constructive.
My personal opinion is that the original poster didn't really understand what Debian was, probably because he'd only ever actually used Red Hat. Those who have tried both should be able to come up with better arguments that what amount to "Debian sux".
Having said that, why do you think Debian users are lusers? It would amaze me if the average Debian user is less technically skilled than the average Red Hat user, so what's your point?
A friend of mine recently opened a computer store, and I'm planning on putting up a display of Linux CDS for sale. I figure I'll pick up a bunch of $1.99 cds from Cheapbytes, and sell them for $4-$5.
I almost bought the cds last week, but I figured I'd wait for Redhat 6.0 and Debian 2.1 (and now BeroLinux)
Hopefully I'll be able to pull up a few new Linux users in Dedham, MA.
Next one is 'Sid'.
Mean this?
ftp://ftp.debian.org/d ebian/dists/stable/main/disks-m68k/
Yes 2.2.x works fine, but I don't think it's *officially* 2.2 ready, tested and guaranteed to work for everyone and their grandmas c64. Like potato, 'unstable' and 'development version' yes, but it works just great for me.
So, what is the proper name for Debian GNU/Hurd?
GNOME 1 debs are expected any day now; they'll be available in the "unstable" distribution on Debian FTP sites.
- boot from floppy/HD/network/CD and configure
- reboot (and since kernels aren't hot-swappable all distributions must reboot at least once to replace the boot kernel with the newly-configured kernel (and to test LILO, boot floppy, etc))
- dselect to flesh out the system with packages
- enjoy!
I'm using Red Hat 5.2. Why should i switch/not switch to Debian?
Please: both cons and pros...
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Fredrik Borg
Student at the Department of Informatics, University of Oslo
Yeah, lets all use Red Hat because it's the biggest. If everybody had that sort of attitude, Linux wouldn't be the OS it is today, everybody who used a PC would be using Windows.
-- Hulver's site
I'd be really hesitant to label the Debian GNOME maintainers as "poor bastards". The simple fact is that there are lots of little pieces related to Gtk+ and GNOME and such, and the maintainers are putting a lot of work into making sure it all works together. So we have a working GNOME that is part of Debian, and not just some random RPMs that the GNOME people put out that may or may not work with other RPMs.
I really do try to ignore trolls but this is too funny! Ok IBM and co invest in a company to make money. Suits only understand suits, not hackers etc. IBM receives a commercial product by supporting a commercial distro like RH. RH in turn recieves global support from IBM... Life is good. What the hell would IBM (from a suits perspective) gain from investing in a noncommercial distro?
we really need to stop feeding these trolls after midnight... I really hate irrelevant posts
doobman
... but I'm glad that there are instructions here about upgrading.
I'm still a little concerned about using Slink with parallel port printers and kernel 2.2.x. Any documentation on the Debian site?
I've got a box running here with an uptime of 312 days (today) it hasent been rebooted since Hamm was installed sometime back in 1998. Over the months the box has been extensively updated and it's now running full potato and shows no signs of wear and tear. The kernel is 2.0.. but my ego over the near 1 year uptime just stops me from upgrading the kernel and doing the evil reboot.
Long live debian!
OH, btw dont change the logo, I love the cute ANIME penguin. It rocks more than anything that the gimp ppl came up in that contest.
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Everyone's favorite vi is vim... unless they're also the type that prefers whips and chains ;)
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I am not sure if this is a troll or not. I'll assume it is not.
The Gnome project is actually much larger than Red Hat's involvement. All of the code that Red Hat develops for the project is free. Gnome software had been developed rapidly, and is in a state of turmoil. It has apparantly taken quite a bit of work for the Debian developers to package it. But this is not because RedHat was obfuscating anything. The realtionships between packages in Gnome 1.0 should be clearer, since it is a stable release. It will take quite a bit of work, but the Debian people will get it packaged for Debian 2.1.
> I still doubt that I'll be removing my RH 5.2
> anytime soon (well, except to upgrade to 6.0)
You have to *remove* RH 5.2 to upgrade it? That sucks, dude.
SRH
-- i will protect you from ideals to save you from defeat
If you have a good network connection, you will really appreciate how easy it is to upgrade debian systems. Simply run dselect, select [U]pdate, then [I]nstall. Go to sleep/eat lunch/read slasdot/whatever while dselect does it's thing. No more downloading rpms, figuring out missing dependencies, and repeating as needed!
Redhat, on the other hand, has put a lot of work into making linux easier to use, such as GUI config tools.
I really think it comes down to the user/admin of the machine... if it is someone relatively new to linux, go with Redhat... if it is an old unix/linux hack then go with Debian.
FWIW, I use redhat on my desktop at work, but debian on both of my home systems: an alpha and a powerbook.
--Rob
As a die-hard Debian 'luser,' I must admit that I definitely would not invest in Debian.
I would definitely (and have) contributed, and made donations.
I would definitely not pay $50 for RedHat. Why would I do that when I can get a distro equal to or better for free?
(Hey, I'm not stupid; I can read install HOWTOs)
I would definitely invest in RedHat stock (if and when they IPO).
Therefore, I would make money on RedHat's commercial success, in part, by saving $50.
Lastly, I can run my commercial server using the most secure, reliable, and easily upgradable Debian.
I'm very happy. PEACE!
Um, no, they shouldn't, at least in my opinion. I like knowing that the machines I keep on the current stable version are nigh bug-free and security-tight.
And I don't follow how "simpler install" corresponds with some ungodly high load on your laptop. I just yesterday installed a clean 2.1 on a Sparc1 (a new architecture for Debian, though this particular model is 10 years old, and probably slower than your laptop)
No trouble except one missing symlink in /dev and a setserial error, both which might have been my fault, and have already been reported to the Sparc developers. A base system, X, and ssh inside of 55MB. And no use of the oft-maligned dselect.
Besides, if you want more cutting-edge stuff, you're more than welcome to ride the unstable tree.
I'll start with a few technical pros (and this is specifically for the stable releases):
Yes, there are political pros and cons, too, but I'll let others flame about them. From a purely technical standpoint, Debian rocks.
Both acronyms are correct, supposedly, though presumably one is more correct than the other. Wine does, after all, serve the function of an emulator - to let programs from one kind of system run on another. But then, it -isn't- an emulator in the sense of how it actually works internally.
Anyway, apparently the Wine developers allow both interpretations of their acronym. I prefer Wine Is Not an Emulator, but, WINdows Emulator is more descriptive if less strictly accurate.
Parity Bit
--Parity
'Card carrying' member of the EFF.
<sigh> I'm extremely pleased to see Debian GNU/Hurd. I may just be dedicating a machine to in the near future.
Cheers,
Joshua (a soon-to-be patron of Saint IGNUcius)
--jon. Postel is dead. May we all mourn his, and our, loss.
They all use Linux Kernels, and related drivers. I
haven't noticed any difference in stability between SuSE and Red Hat, and Debian, and Slack..... and on and on. IT'S ALL GOOD
-Master Switch, one more element in the machine
Well!
Already Donwloaded the Images (Relly well from UK to Spain), burned the CD's, and installed at home with something like
A whole O.S. plus tons of applications, from the Net to my home PC (which is not connected to the net)in few hours
I'll share those 'still warm' Cd's with all my mates at work so they can also feel the power of linux.
Thanks to all the Debian developers/contributors for that Really Good Work.
M*
http://thecaveats.net
The reason IBM went with Red Hat has nothing to do with quality but with support contracts. The Debian crew are all volunteers. Business customers like to have the option to call someone when something breaks (even if they never have to).
Come on people, think before you post and try not to turn everything into a war between Red Hat and everyone or Gnome and KDE.
Andrew
Having some trouble here, thought someone here might be able to help out. I am trying to install redhat 5.2 from a cd i burned, and when it trys to detect my cd, the cdrom drive itself locks up (won't open) and the install program stalls. i then tried copying the redhat/base and redhat/rpms dirs to my win98 partition but when setup tries to scan the packages, it gives an error opening directory or something. can anyone offer me some relief? if not, can anyone tell me how i can download do a basic install of debian 2.1 and make it go out on the internet and download everything else? and if that's not feasible, what all do i need to download to create a CD?
Thanks!
Mark Duch
Ok but what do I need to download and put on floppies to get a basic install with PPP support?
Maybe the mirror really is bad, or maybe you just have packages left from hamm whose names were changed and no one set 'conflicts' for the replacement. It happened to me, about 8 packages that turned out to be just old.
.deb that dpkg can install and uninstall. More info: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/debian-faq-11.html#s s11.1
Why not use kernel-package to handle the kernel? You still configure everything as before, but it creates a
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Well, at least it's different.
Okay, I got Linux installed. So where's the free beer everyone keeps talking about??
Does this distribution support themes?
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Beef
"Raging Moderate" of the
Yeah, maybe this Debian release will take fewer than four reboots to install completely. BTW, Redhat is completely installed on one boot cycle.
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Beef
"Raging Moderate" of the