Ok so by completely ignoring the premise of my hypothetical, you've established kill or be killed requires ability to kill. Now if you would be so kind, perhaps you could answer the question I asked instead of the one you made up.
Of course sometimes force, even lethal force, is needed.
Why? If you have a non-lethal immobilizer that's more effective than a gun (which is what were trying to find here), what justification would you have for killing someone outside the normal justice process?
At first blush it may seem like a simple matter to simply run more wiring to build out more spots...but at some point you hit the stage where the line running to the building simply isn't big enough. So what...you get another transformer?.......... And that's the real challenge with electric cars...not range, not cost. Those are solved or about to be solved.
How is the charging capacity problem more difficult than the range/cost problem? Sounds like it's already solved, the solution just needs to be implemented.
Like I said, that's great that you found your answer. Now for some shameless boasting...for the past 15 years I've hovered around 170lbs (over 6' tall), low cholesterol, BP ~110/70, HR in the mid 50's and I have a six pack. I generally eat whatever I want (probably 3000-4000 cal/day) but fortunately I never want fast food or doughnuts. That's probably the key along with an active lifestyle where fun for me is an extreme workout for most. The point is there is no one answer but the extremes (i.e. 100% meat) are almost always not good since few people can tolerate them...or more importantly stick to it (eliminate carbs forever? good luck making it 6 months). More importantly, our planet just can't sustain 8 billion human carnivores. And yes I realize that most people wouldn't stick to my lifestyle either.
But good news! Most of the newest research I've read or heard about focuses on gut bacteria. Its all about cultivating a healthy ecosystem in the bowels and most of the research focuses on feeding it fiber. If you can handle all meat the rest of your life then great! If not, maybe reexamine your definition of a "western diet" and replace all the added sugar with broccoli. Good luck!
Waaaay off topic here so that mod option is clearly appropriate....but regarding your sig: "why not try an all meat diet?". Because it would be a disaster of epic proportions (if we all did it).
The average American eats 270lbs of meat/year (http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/06/27/155527365/visualizing-a-nation-of-meat-eaters). The 2 guys in the study ate 800g meat/day (1.7lbs). Thats 620 lbs/year or a 230% increase. They were adult males so the average consumption would probably be a bit lower but spread that out over 320M Americans and it approaches the total meat consumption of the rest of the world combined. We're already low on some types of fish and I don't know where you plan to put another billion cows. Not to mention a good amount of people just can't afford it.
As we all know, coming up with universal nutritional advice hardly works out well because individuals need to figure out what works best for them (for me its a balance of raw ingredients cooked with minimal sauce). If the all meat diet is your thing, great. Not sure why you need to advertise it for everyone though.
If insurers only had to deal with 4-5 automakers vs 50 million drivers it would certainly reduce their paperwork and the hassle that goes with it. My friend is a claims adjuster and has a bunch of stories along the lines of: "Someone stole the oil out of my engine which is why my car broke down so I need you to pay me for it".
Anyway I'll file this under common sense. If Volvo software is driving your car and causes an accident, Volvo (the driver) is liable. If something else causes an accident involving your car that something else is liable. Just like we have now!
A bunch of posts in the "elon musk wants to nuke mars" story said something to the effect of....
If we can terraform mars it doesn't really matter that solar wind would blow away the atmosphere that is created. If we can crash a comet into Mars to give it water and an atmosphere, we can keep doing that periodically to recharge everything. Solar wind erosion takes a comparatively long time so you might only need a new comet every few million years or so. Once every 1000 years is still incomprehensibly long for humans to think about. In that time maybe we (or whatever) can figure out how to create a self sustaining magnetic field.
Don't know about you guys but I'm ready for a ski resort on Olympus Mons. 26km vertical in a single decent? Sign me up!
I currently have 3 separate free credit monitoring services from prior breaches in other companies. I'm confident that I'll have perpetual free credit monitoring since the credit monitoring lobby is now rich enough to force congress to maintain the status quo.
practice shooting in various simulated high stress situations
Be interested to know how that is accomplished with any slight hope of determining what a real life high stress situation response would be (the image of Bill Burr pantomiming slowly placing the headphones and safety glasses on and squinting in a wide stance firing position comes to mind). I for one am pretty gung ho in paintball but would volunteer to be the drone pilot if I had to capture the flag in Syria.
If you want an unsettling indicator, do some googling of officer involved shootings. When one or more officers are firing 10, 20, 30 rounds with reloads and hitting the suspect 3 and 4 times, I think it speaks to the level of skill. Yes, it's a high stress situation, but they are supposed to be trained to handle that too, no? In those situations you will perform like you train. Last training 5 years ago? Guess how you will perform...
Wow that makes me feel real good about when the NRA says giving everyone a gun is the best way to prevent shootings. Cause as we all know, 80% of drivers are above average so we can expect gun competency work just as well.
When will they grasp the concept that labeling something a "gun-free zone" doesn't magically do ANYTHING?
When will gun rights advocates realize they've won? How hard is it to buy a gun in the US? Which country has the most guns? What happens after a mass shooting like this? Everyone loses their shit, nothing changes at the federal level, and the red states make it easier to get guns. Remember, the NRA isn't just on your side, its on Remington's side and boy are they doing great marketing.
Mass shootings are a red herring. I don't want guns in my kid's school because it reduces the chances of an accident happening. I'll gladly take the minuscule increased risk of becoming a mass shooting over a stressed out Mr. Jones forgetting to lock the gun drawer.
Most people on military bases don't have to deal with getting shot at. The exception would be a FOB. If everyone was carrying on base there would be a shitload more accidents. There are over 1000 military traffic fatalities a year (http://www.usmedicine.com/agencies/department-of-defense-dod/fatal-vehicle-accidents-decline-in-military-motorcycles-remain-dangerous/). I heard somewhere that there are a few dozen accidental deaths every day across the military just due to all the heavy equipment. I know you're probably perfect and never make mistakes but having only MPs carry makes a ton of sense if you want to reduce accidents.
I would never, ever, ever draw my gun and fire at someone unless I had a clear and open line of fire, I was 100% sure of my target, and I was directly saving lives by stopping someone who was clearly intent on killing innocent people
Wow that is a great attitude to have. Good on ya./notsarcasm The US is so lucky to have a licensing system in place that guarantees all gun owners have the same do no harm philosophy and basic competency in handling firearms. Oh wait, I'm thinking of the license required to cut hair (http://www.beautyschoolsdirectory.com/faq/state_req.php). Pretty much anybody not recently incarcerated can have as many guns as they want in the US which is why we need our politicians to spend so much time and effort fighting gun control./sarcasm
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That would be great! Think of all the work that would go into it: precise measurements, cutting metal, welding, wiring, pneumatics, embroidery, etc.
Of course they'd almost certainly fail miserably but they'd get a taste of so many hands on skills along the way. So much better than slapping on a fake grill sticker.
Good thing I saw this post in time! I'll have the $100k I was going to send Snowden for his insight wired to you instead as the first person to ever consider data modification as a solution to the fermi paradox. Please send me your account numbers and passwords....Or should I send it to this guy?
Well of course. All we needed was for data privacy to impact a bank employee.
In other news, of all the financial improprieties why did the SEC end up being so good (apparently) at catching insider trading? Is it the crime that least rocks the boat?
Yeah, my first thought was when will discovery channel start advertizing selfie week. But lucky for us, thanks to twitter and facebook, every week is selfie week.
space travelers will need water, not only for drinking, bathing, and agriculture but for rocket fuel.
...Convincing/. that bathing is the second most important item on that list.
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Hell yeah! We need to do those things and also clean water, cure cancer, underwater lungs, hoverboards and any other cool thing you can think of. But with almost 8 billion people we have enough to work on everything at the same time so its ok to do some Mars trip research now.
But yeah, energy is the key. Once we figure out emissions free renewable energy production we'll have plenty of time to figure everything else out.
Have you ever forced your wife/girlfriend to offer two turtles upon the altar while she has her period? If not I hope you destroyed all chairs that she sat on because they are unclean. I can also tell you keep your slaves in line by beating them as the good book tells you to since you have time to post on the internet and don't need to tend to your flock (as I see you live on ranch). Its good that only Muslims have weird stuff in their book and Christians are completely normal.
Also, toilet paper? Really? Civilized countries use badays. They have been proven to be more sanitary and use far less water than lowly toilet paper. Which would be smart for the backwards southwest US which is facing increasing water shortages but hasn't discovered an effective substitute for toilet paper.
Heh, the problem is this story we are commenting on has already been red herringed.
The guy in the "analysis" is pissed at the media overreaction and claims of racism that he went through a fair bit of trouble to say invoking "genius" is wrong. And yeah that's probably right but who the fuck cares how complicated the project is when kids are getting arrested for any sort of tinkering at all?
What if he had drawn and etched the PCB himself in some novel process that will save $billions in manufacturing and programmed the micro with sentient AI? Would the outcome have been any different when the alarm went off in english class? That question indeed relevant and it doesn't matter if he is a genius or not. Give the kid a break.
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Ok so by completely ignoring the premise of my hypothetical, you've established kill or be killed requires ability to kill. Now if you would be so kind, perhaps you could answer the question I asked instead of the one you made up.
Of course sometimes force, even lethal force, is needed.
Why? If you have a non-lethal immobilizer that's more effective than a gun (which is what were trying to find here), what justification would you have for killing someone outside the normal justice process?
At first blush it may seem like a simple matter to simply run more wiring to build out more spots...but at some point you hit the stage where the line running to the building simply isn't big enough. So what...you get another transformer?.......... And that's the real challenge with electric cars...not range, not cost. Those are solved or about to be solved.
How is the charging capacity problem more difficult than the range/cost problem? Sounds like it's already solved, the solution just needs to be implemented.
Like I said, that's great that you found your answer. Now for some shameless boasting...for the past 15 years I've hovered around 170lbs (over 6' tall), low cholesterol, BP ~110/70, HR in the mid 50's and I have a six pack. I generally eat whatever I want (probably 3000-4000 cal/day) but fortunately I never want fast food or doughnuts. That's probably the key along with an active lifestyle where fun for me is an extreme workout for most. The point is there is no one answer but the extremes (i.e. 100% meat) are almost always not good since few people can tolerate them...or more importantly stick to it (eliminate carbs forever? good luck making it 6 months). More importantly, our planet just can't sustain 8 billion human carnivores. And yes I realize that most people wouldn't stick to my lifestyle either.
But good news! Most of the newest research I've read or heard about focuses on gut bacteria. Its all about cultivating a healthy ecosystem in the bowels and most of the research focuses on feeding it fiber. If you can handle all meat the rest of your life then great! If not, maybe reexamine your definition of a "western diet" and replace all the added sugar with broccoli. Good luck!
Waaaay off topic here so that mod option is clearly appropriate....but regarding your sig: "why not try an all meat diet?". Because it would be a disaster of epic proportions (if we all did it).
The average American eats 270lbs of meat/year (http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/06/27/155527365/visualizing-a-nation-of-meat-eaters). The 2 guys in the study ate 800g meat/day (1.7lbs). Thats 620 lbs/year or a 230% increase. They were adult males so the average consumption would probably be a bit lower but spread that out over 320M Americans and it approaches the total meat consumption of the rest of the world combined. We're already low on some types of fish and I don't know where you plan to put another billion cows. Not to mention a good amount of people just can't afford it.
As we all know, coming up with universal nutritional advice hardly works out well because individuals need to figure out what works best for them (for me its a balance of raw ingredients cooked with minimal sauce). If the all meat diet is your thing, great. Not sure why you need to advertise it for everyone though.
Well obviously the terraformers would smash the comets into the south side of the mountain resulting in the most epic bowl imaginable!
If insurers only had to deal with 4-5 automakers vs 50 million drivers it would certainly reduce their paperwork and the hassle that goes with it. My friend is a claims adjuster and has a bunch of stories along the lines of: "Someone stole the oil out of my engine which is why my car broke down so I need you to pay me for it".
Anyway I'll file this under common sense. If Volvo software is driving your car and causes an accident, Volvo (the driver) is liable. If something else causes an accident involving your car that something else is liable. Just like we have now!
A bunch of posts in the "elon musk wants to nuke mars" story said something to the effect of....
If we can terraform mars it doesn't really matter that solar wind would blow away the atmosphere that is created. If we can crash a comet into Mars to give it water and an atmosphere, we can keep doing that periodically to recharge everything. Solar wind erosion takes a comparatively long time so you might only need a new comet every few million years or so. Once every 1000 years is still incomprehensibly long for humans to think about. In that time maybe we (or whatever) can figure out how to create a self sustaining magnetic field.
Don't know about you guys but I'm ready for a ski resort on Olympus Mons. 26km vertical in a single decent? Sign me up!
I currently have 3 separate free credit monitoring services from prior breaches in other companies. I'm confident that I'll have perpetual free credit monitoring since the credit monitoring lobby is now rich enough to force congress to maintain the status quo.
practice shooting in various simulated high stress situations
Be interested to know how that is accomplished with any slight hope of determining what a real life high stress situation response would be (the image of Bill Burr pantomiming slowly placing the headphones and safety glasses on and squinting in a wide stance firing position comes to mind). I for one am pretty gung ho in paintball but would volunteer to be the drone pilot if I had to capture the flag in Syria.
It's unlikely you've ever seen a criminal intent on shooting everything up walk up to the front door
Actually, you can stop right there.
Somalia had no laws at all for a few decades. Tell us all how it worked out for them?
Hmm, perhaps there are many externalities making it meaningless to directly compare different societies based on a single factor.
Some of us are willing to run towards the danger, not away from it.
Well, some of us are willing to make that claim, untested and behind a keyboard anyway...
If you want an unsettling indicator, do some googling of officer involved shootings. When one or more officers are firing 10, 20, 30 rounds with reloads and hitting the suspect 3 and 4 times, I think it speaks to the level of skill. Yes, it's a high stress situation, but they are supposed to be trained to handle that too, no? In those situations you will perform like you train. Last training 5 years ago? Guess how you will perform...
Wow that makes me feel real good about when the NRA says giving everyone a gun is the best way to prevent shootings. Cause as we all know, 80% of drivers are above average so we can expect gun competency work just as well.
When will they grasp the concept that labeling something a "gun-free zone" doesn't magically do ANYTHING?
When will gun rights advocates realize they've won? How hard is it to buy a gun in the US? Which country has the most guns? What happens after a mass shooting like this? Everyone loses their shit, nothing changes at the federal level, and the red states make it easier to get guns. Remember, the NRA isn't just on your side, its on Remington's side and boy are they doing great marketing.
Mass shootings are a red herring. I don't want guns in my kid's school because it reduces the chances of an accident happening. I'll gladly take the minuscule increased risk of becoming a mass shooting over a stressed out Mr. Jones forgetting to lock the gun drawer.
Most people on military bases don't have to deal with getting shot at. The exception would be a FOB. If everyone was carrying on base there would be a shitload more accidents. There are over 1000 military traffic fatalities a year (http://www.usmedicine.com/agencies/department-of-defense-dod/fatal-vehicle-accidents-decline-in-military-motorcycles-remain-dangerous/). I heard somewhere that there are a few dozen accidental deaths every day across the military just due to all the heavy equipment. I know you're probably perfect and never make mistakes but having only MPs carry makes a ton of sense if you want to reduce accidents.
I would never, ever, ever draw my gun and fire at someone unless I had a clear and open line of fire, I was 100% sure of my target, and I was directly saving lives by stopping someone who was clearly intent on killing innocent people
Wow that is a great attitude to have. Good on ya. /notsarcasm The US is so lucky to have a licensing system in place that guarantees all gun owners have the same do no harm philosophy and basic competency in handling firearms. Oh wait, I'm thinking of the license required to cut hair (http://www.beautyschoolsdirectory.com/faq/state_req.php). Pretty much anybody not recently incarcerated can have as many guns as they want in the US which is why we need our politicians to spend so much time and effort fighting gun control. /sarcasm
That would be great! Think of all the work that would go into it: precise measurements, cutting metal, welding, wiring, pneumatics, embroidery, etc.
Of course they'd almost certainly fail miserably but they'd get a taste of so many hands on skills along the way. So much better than slapping on a fake grill sticker.
Good thing I saw this post in time! I'll have the $100k I was going to send Snowden for his insight wired to you instead as the first person to ever consider data modification as a solution to the fermi paradox. Please send me your account numbers and passwords. ...Or should I send it to this guy?
https://bitcointalk.org/index....
Well of course. All we needed was for data privacy to impact a bank employee.
In other news, of all the financial improprieties why did the SEC end up being so good (apparently) at catching insider trading? Is it the crime that least rocks the boat?
Yeah, my first thought was when will discovery channel start advertizing selfie week. But lucky for us, thanks to twitter and facebook, every week is selfie week.
space travelers will need water, not only for drinking, bathing, and agriculture but for rocket fuel.
...Convincing /. that bathing is the second most important item on that list.
Hell yeah! We need to do those things and also clean water, cure cancer, underwater lungs, hoverboards and any other cool thing you can think of. But with almost 8 billion people we have enough to work on everything at the same time so its ok to do some Mars trip research now.
But yeah, energy is the key. Once we figure out emissions free renewable energy production we'll have plenty of time to figure everything else out.
Have you ever forced your wife/girlfriend to offer two turtles upon the altar while she has her period? If not I hope you destroyed all chairs that she sat on because they are unclean. I can also tell you keep your slaves in line by beating them as the good book tells you to since you have time to post on the internet and don't need to tend to your flock (as I see you live on ranch). Its good that only Muslims have weird stuff in their book and Christians are completely normal.
Also, toilet paper? Really? Civilized countries use badays. They have been proven to be more sanitary and use far less water than lowly toilet paper. Which would be smart for the backwards southwest US which is facing increasing water shortages but hasn't discovered an effective substitute for toilet paper.
Heh, the problem is this story we are commenting on has already been red herringed.
The guy in the "analysis" is pissed at the media overreaction and claims of racism that he went through a fair bit of trouble to say invoking "genius" is wrong. And yeah that's probably right but who the fuck cares how complicated the project is when kids are getting arrested for any sort of tinkering at all?
What if he had drawn and etched the PCB himself in some novel process that will save $billions in manufacturing and programmed the micro with sentient AI? Would the outcome have been any different when the alarm went off in english class? That question indeed relevant and it doesn't matter if he is a genius or not. Give the kid a break.