Don't the social engineered attacks act as the gateway for launching deeper attacks? Once your foot is in the door all kinds of possibilites present themselves. How is OS X ahead of the curve when according to you they are just growing good practices now. They have a solid security model in place but that doesn't mean it does not have any potential vulnerabilities. Shouldn't they have already been growing good practices all along or did they actually believe OSX invulnerable and decided not to bother? They have not handled the current malware attack very well. Thier customer support center started playing down the threat and would not give any advice on how to remove an infection and often tried to mislead those calling into thinking it was some other application causing the problem. Someone from corporate even published a copy of the instructions communicated to the support reps on how to handle the problem without ever admitting the problem actually existed. Now a couple of weeks later they come up with a patch and that is considered as staying ahead of the curve?
The question is are the standards evolving as fast as the functionality needed on today's web pages? With the proliferation of browsers and each of them trying to out do the others in feature and performance will they let standards get in the way or just support the new functionality even if it breaks the standards. Most web users, both public and business users, could really give a shit whether the browser is standards compliant they just want the functionality to work and the web developers in the business sector in particular are not going to hold up the development just because they might have to violate the standards. This entire issue is really no different than all the other aspects of modern system design. Things change rapidly. From cpu's, OS's, and development models what worked last week might not work this week. As a developer it seems like right when you get proficient on a particular set of technology the technology changes and you have to start over again. It makes for an interesting job but can be a pain in the ass sometimes.
So your ready to condemn the entire judicial system on one case? And this proves judges are all getting paid for each person they send to jail. I mean that's what your post stated.
Total Privacy is a myth. You can just be found faster today. And you can limit your exposure some what by the choices you make but total anonymity is just about impossible. Living in a shack in the middle of the roaring wilderness can still give off heat signatures for the satellites to find you if someone is really interested. I doubt innovation is quite as dead as you believe. Change and progress takes time. Alternative energy tech is just one area starting to grow and that area alone will make a huge impact on society and offer new opportunites in the future. There are still Universities being awarded grants from the public and private sector for pure research purposes. Expecting earth shaking discoveries every few months is unrealistic. The american dream has always been what the individual makes of it. Sitting around bitching and moaning and blaming others for your faults and failures will never lead you any where. Problems today are no larger or more serious than they have always been. It seems like the disaffected losers do nothing but complain and other than advocating "storming the barricades" they offer no alternatives or solutions to any of the problems facing us today. Instead they take the position of "if I can't have it no one can" and the destruction starts.
It's behavior like this that will drive the push to create draconian control measures and punishments. Stunts like this just add ammunition to the government and coporations looking to impose more control over the internet and the majority of people who don't really understand the underlying facts about system security and intrusion prevention will support tighter controls without blinking. After all how many times do you have to hear about Credit Card numbers being stolen or customer records being hacked to want to support more controls?
Well then I guess we are lucky you are such a genius who can protect us all. Applauding the people breaking into and damaging systems just shows that you are closer to being an idiot than an IT professional of any type.
That a lot of them have never had to evaluate potential employees for hiring purposes where the person doing the hiring gets held responsible for hiring idiots. Certifications are only one factor in hiring someone. It also depends on the type of position being sought and the persons level (beginner or advanced) of actual experience. The persons attitude also plays a big role. I have always thought that the IT field is one which can be entered without any formal higher education or certificates. The current generation have always had the internet where those who are older remember. Computer use in high schools is common place today. There are 14 years olds out there who are experts in the programming field. I have a CS and MS but I didn't even use a PC until my sopohmore year as an undergrad. Kids today are exposed to the tech much earlier today.
So you expect the constitution to be applied
literally? In that case I should be able to walk down any street in the US carrying a fully automatic M16 with a RPG hanging off my shoulder. After all the second admenment only specifies "arms". And you summarily dismiss and a valid law such as the prohibition of Slander just because you say so? Then you create a ridiculous example of the government eliminating free speech to specific areas in all cases. Do you really think anything like this would be proposed or supported by either the government or the general public? Any politician floating this type of BS would be crucified in matter of minutes. Trying to limit free speech in the US beyond some of the current caveats is ridiculous. In countries that have no freedom of speech the state relies on violence to enforce it. Just look at Syria, Libya, and Egypt. Any attempt to do this in the US would be met with a citizen backlash that would make the conflicts in the middle east look like a pillow fight. And armed to the teeth US citizens are probably the only force on the planet who could defeat the US military. Your whole supposition is ridiculous in the extreme. Freedom of speech is a guaranteed right however most people have forgotten that you must also take responsibility for the consequences of your free speech.
Your examples look like they do qualify for investigation. Going back to 1917 for an example only shows that in that particular time period a large group of citizens supported these laws. Trying to judge their actions in retrospect against today's standards is not a fair process. Also as time progressed these laws were also repealed or modified. Those in the military take an oath to follow the rules when they join. The military is a volunteer only group and those who sign up do give up some of their natural rights while in the service but they have volunteered to join they were not mandated to join. The charges against Manning are totally legitimate if he is proven to have committed those acts. I have not seen where he has been charged with any violations of the Espionage laws that could result in execution. I personally do not believe he should be charged under those laws but the lower level charges seem appropriate.
The law against Slander is not a recent law and has been judged as a legitimate charge. Freedom of speech has specific limits such as speech creating danger for the people involved. The old "you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater" , you can't directly threaten harm to the President, and some NDA's also can limit what someone says but that is not absolute because there have been many cases when the NDA protections have been ruled null or void in criminal prosecutions. By definition the "free speech zones" is a place where you can practice freedom of speech. The designated zones were setup so the protesters would not hinder the flow of traffic or entry of the people attending the event. Security was also a major concern because a large group of people congregating around the President or even someone running for President is hard to secure. These zones also separated those protesting from those holding the counter protests to prevent confrontation that could further muddle the security situation. Nobody was prevented from exercising their freedom of speech.
I don't know who you are talking about. If it involves Wiki leaks the suspect did violate several military laws such as accessing systems in which he had no authorization, distributing classified and non-classified information. The diplomatic cables violated distributing information classified as Secret which is not the highest classification level but it is still against the law.
For future reference all of the military branches use outside contractors for specialized systems development. The people who like to hack computers are unlikely in the extreme to enlist into the service and likewise the military doesn't sit around hoping some computer genius might turn up at the recruiting office. Your accusation of ineptness and incompetent IT is just you having an internal confidence deficit conflict and self-esteem issues.
Free Speech? How in the hell is the Patriot Act limiting speech? None of the rights you mentioned have been taken away or suppressed. Warrant less searches come in two categories. A FISA warrant which is reviewed by a panel of judges before it is issued. The other warrants such as tapping phones is for targeting foreign parties or those who present a national security issue. If someone under surveillance changes residences, phones,computers, or cars the law enforcement agencies can request a warrant that allows these agencies to track those being investigated as they move around thus negating the need to get a warrant for every car, phone, or house the person under surveillance moves to. Both of these warrants require at least one of the parties to be foreign based. If you are arrested and tried on evidence collected by these types of warrants you still can challenge their validity in court. This has already happened starting with a small group of people in New Jersey who were plotting to bomb a military base. The government collected wire taps under a FISA warrant but when they went to court the government didn't use any evidence collected by warrant less evidence. The government is reluctant to rely on evidence collected under these warrants because they don't want them challenged in court and potentially lose this investigative tool.
You are guilty of spreading dis-information and outright falsehoods. You do nothing but perpetuate the animosity aimed at the entire US. This includes both the government and it's citizens in general. You use hearsay,anecdotal evidence, and outright BS to support and advance your world view. There are people being investigated for thier role in leaking classified information but no one has been arrested excepting the person who unlawfully released classified data in the first place and he will get a trial where he can dispute the charges. They didn't disappear him or shoot him.
Your are a moron. Name one instance where freedom of speech has been suppressed in the US. And personally I wish the US would disengage from the cluster fuck otherwise known as the Global Community for everything excepting trade and just sit back and see what happens. Of course with the US out of the picture there are a lot of countries who will need to find someone else to blame for their problems.
Can you backup this statement with any facts showing where US citizens have lost their freedoms as granted in the Constitution and Bill of Rights? And please don't include the copyright argument that people are busy hyperventilating over lately. That particular fight is being played out under the rules granted using the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the foundation. Unlike Thailand the US government can not imprison someone for posting complaints about the government. If this was the case 99% of the population would be in jail. And what books are banned in the US? The only book I think is banned is the book describing how to have sex with children that Amazon published a few years back.
You are correct the user is the biggest threat vector going but I don't seen anything software developers can do to make a system 100% secure no matter what the user does. Super secure systems like Linux SE are usually not as user friendly as some of the popular desktop operating systems. As hard as people work to secure systems there are people working just as hard to make them unsecured so maybe this battle will be decided in the future but for now people will just have to accept some risk.
You are the prime example on how someone can ignore every fact you encounter that does not support your world view. The palestinians represent the longest and most rewarded scam of the century. They are receiving billions of dollars a year from the EU, US, and Arab countries and the majority of that money never gets to those who need it. The Palestinians were sacrificed by the entire middle east as way to attack Israel which didn't involve getting humiliated by the IDF for a fourth time. The "occupied lands" and the people living there were not Palestinians since they never accepted the UN partitioning there by voiding any borders defined in the agreement. The people living there were citizens of Jordan, Egypt, and Syria after their military ass kicking. The Arabs never agreed with the UN resolution for land divisions but now they want a fucking do over having lost every war of conquest the have launched in 65 years. They could not even defeat Israel at a time when the Soviet Union was supplying the Arabs with all the latest military weapons accompanied by military advisers. And before 1973 the US was not supplying Israel with anything. In 1973 the US re-supplied Israel but they sure as hell didn't send troops or provide them with equivalent weaponry. The Arabs take the cake when it comes to rewriting history and unfortunately they have convinced a lot of people that their interpretation of history is correct. Most of the school books in the Middle East state that Israel attacked the Arab states in 1973 which is 100% verifiably false however the Arabs are raising new generations on lies all targeted at destroying Israel. But hopefully the Arabs will step over the line with their attacks against school buses and Israeli sub-divisions and Israel can finally put them out of their misery once and for all.
If a site is blacklisted for copyright violations does that not imply that the copyrighted information is available from the source that copyrighted the information in the first place? That would not really be censorship would it? Or is it that just the thought of not having full and unfettered access to someones copyrighted works the real problem?
I honestly don't see what concessions Israel could offer to satisfy everyone. I have been there several times over the past 15 years and I was struck at just how small the area was. No matter the reason Israel is right in the middle of millions of people who hate them and have never been shy of broadcasting that fact. I think any Israeli leader who compromises the states security would be committing suicide because without a shadow of a doubt the Arabs will never stop attacking Israel until there is no Israel left. The thing is that this time the Jews while not go down quietly. If they are ever in the position of being over run I imagine at a minimum Damascus, Cairo, Tehran, and Mecca will end up radioactive craters and to tell you the truth I wouldn't blame Israel for doing it. Maybe such a catastrophe is what it will take to force the world off it's reliance on Arab states petroleum products while also showing the world for the second time in 70 years how low humans are prepared to sink in demonising their enemies to the point of total annihilation.
Until the Arab world steps up and acknowledges their contribution to prolonging the conflict instead of blaming Israel for the whole mess there will never be any resolution of the existing problems. They don't need to apologize they just need to own up to the fact that Israel didn't just steal any land they gained it by winning the wars that the Arab world launched against them. They have never been able to get past the humiliation of losing to the tiny state of Israel and will never be satisfied until Israel no longer exists no matter what concessions Israel agrees to.
So the Windows community is to blame for lax user practices on a Mac OS? This current piece of MAC malware is only the beginning. And the reason the number of compromises will continue to grow is that for years MAC users have been told that the MAC OS is totally immune to viruses, trojans, and all the other threats floating around the web. The surprising thing is the number of techies who seem to be under the impression that the MAC OS security framework is invulnerable and there is nothing to worry about. The criminals know there is a ton of money to be made going after OS X, iOS, and all the different permutations of the Android OS. Plus Windows security has improved greatly since the days of Win95 and IE6 making the number of potential exploits harder to take advantage of. Windows users have also been pounded with security notices and updates for years and that has also helped raise user awarness. I have also wondered how much easier it would have been to create exploits for the Windows OS if Microsoft had open sourced it. It will be interesting to see if open source will encourage more people to target Android in the future.
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Don't the social engineered attacks act as the gateway for launching deeper attacks? Once your foot is in the door all kinds of possibilites present themselves. How is OS X ahead of the curve when according to you they are just growing good practices now. They have a solid security model in place but that doesn't mean it does not have any potential vulnerabilities. Shouldn't they have already been growing good practices all along or did they actually believe OSX invulnerable and decided not to bother? They have not handled the current malware attack very well. Thier customer support center started playing down the threat and would not give any advice on how to remove an infection and often tried to mislead those calling into thinking it was some other application causing the problem. Someone from corporate even published a copy of the instructions communicated to the support reps on how to handle the problem without ever admitting the problem actually existed. Now a couple of weeks later they come up with a patch and that is considered as staying ahead of the curve?
The question is are the standards evolving as fast as the functionality needed on today's web pages? With the proliferation of browsers and each of them trying to out do the others in feature and performance will they let standards get in the way or just support the new functionality even if it breaks the standards. Most web users, both public and business users, could really give a shit whether the browser is standards compliant they just want the functionality to work and the web developers in the business sector in particular are not going to hold up the development just because they might have to violate the standards. This entire issue is really no different than all the other aspects of modern system design. Things change rapidly. From cpu's, OS's, and development models what worked last week might not work this week. As a developer it seems like right when you get proficient on a particular set of technology the technology changes and you have to start over again. It makes for an interesting job but can be a pain in the ass sometimes.
So your ready to condemn the entire judicial system on one case? And this proves judges are all getting paid for each person they send to jail. I mean that's what your post stated.
Total Privacy is a myth. You can just be found faster today. And you can limit your exposure some what by the choices you make but total anonymity is just about impossible. Living in a shack in the middle of the roaring wilderness can still give off heat signatures for the satellites to find you if someone is really interested. I doubt innovation is quite as dead as you believe. Change and progress takes time. Alternative energy tech is just one area starting to grow and that area alone will make a huge impact on society and offer new opportunites in the future. There are still Universities being awarded grants from the public and private sector for pure research purposes. Expecting earth shaking discoveries every few months is unrealistic. The american dream has always been what the individual makes of it. Sitting around bitching and moaning and blaming others for your faults and failures will never lead you any where. Problems today are no larger or more serious than they have always been. It seems like the disaffected losers do nothing but complain and other than advocating "storming the barricades" they offer no alternatives or solutions to any of the problems facing us today. Instead they take the position of "if I can't have it no one can" and the destruction starts.
It's behavior like this that will drive the push to create draconian control measures and punishments. Stunts like this just add ammunition to the government and coporations looking to impose more control over the internet and the majority of people who don't really understand the underlying facts about system security and intrusion prevention will support tighter controls without blinking. After all how many times do you have to hear about Credit Card numbers being stolen or customer records being hacked to want to support more controls?
Well then I guess we are lucky you are such a genius who can protect us all. Applauding the people breaking into and damaging systems just shows that you are closer to being an idiot than an IT professional of any type.
If they were doing any favors they could have sent a private e-mail to the system admins that revealed the exploited weaknesses.
That a lot of them have never had to evaluate potential employees for hiring purposes where the person doing the hiring gets held responsible for hiring idiots. Certifications are only one factor in hiring someone. It also depends on the type of position being sought and the persons level (beginner or advanced) of actual experience. The persons attitude also plays a big role. I have always thought that the IT field is one which can be entered without any formal higher education or certificates. The current generation have always had the internet where those who are older remember. Computer use in high schools is common place today. There are 14 years olds out there who are experts in the programming field. I have a CS and MS but I didn't even use a PC until my sopohmore year as an undergrad. Kids today are exposed to the tech much earlier today.
Please provide proof of judges being paid cash for each person they send to jail.
So you expect the constitution to be applied literally? In that case I should be able to walk down any street in the US carrying a fully automatic M16 with a RPG hanging off my shoulder. After all the second admenment only specifies "arms". And you summarily dismiss and a valid law such as the prohibition of Slander just because you say so? Then you create a ridiculous example of the government eliminating free speech to specific areas in all cases. Do you really think anything like this would be proposed or supported by either the government or the general public? Any politician floating this type of BS would be crucified in matter of minutes. Trying to limit free speech in the US beyond some of the current caveats is ridiculous. In countries that have no freedom of speech the state relies on violence to enforce it. Just look at Syria, Libya, and Egypt. Any attempt to do this in the US would be met with a citizen backlash that would make the conflicts in the middle east look like a pillow fight. And armed to the teeth US citizens are probably the only force on the planet who could defeat the US military. Your whole supposition is ridiculous in the extreme. Freedom of speech is a guaranteed right however most people have forgotten that you must also take responsibility for the consequences of your free speech.
Your examples look like they do qualify for investigation. Going back to 1917 for an example only shows that in that particular time period a large group of citizens supported these laws. Trying to judge their actions in retrospect against today's standards is not a fair process. Also as time progressed these laws were also repealed or modified. Those in the military take an oath to follow the rules when they join. The military is a volunteer only group and those who sign up do give up some of their natural rights while in the service but they have volunteered to join they were not mandated to join. The charges against Manning are totally legitimate if he is proven to have committed those acts. I have not seen where he has been charged with any violations of the Espionage laws that could result in execution. I personally do not believe he should be charged under those laws but the lower level charges seem appropriate.
The law against Slander is not a recent law and has been judged as a legitimate charge. Freedom of speech has specific limits such as speech creating danger for the people involved. The old "you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater" , you can't directly threaten harm to the President, and some NDA's also can limit what someone says but that is not absolute because there have been many cases when the NDA protections have been ruled null or void in criminal prosecutions. By definition the "free speech zones" is a place where you can practice freedom of speech. The designated zones were setup so the protesters would not hinder the flow of traffic or entry of the people attending the event. Security was also a major concern because a large group of people congregating around the President or even someone running for President is hard to secure. These zones also separated those protesting from those holding the counter protests to prevent confrontation that could further muddle the security situation. Nobody was prevented from exercising their freedom of speech.
I don't know who you are talking about. If it involves Wiki leaks the suspect did violate several military laws such as accessing systems in which he had no authorization, distributing classified and non-classified information. The diplomatic cables violated distributing information classified as Secret which is not the highest classification level but it is still against the law.
For future reference all of the military branches use outside contractors for specialized systems development. The people who like to hack computers are unlikely in the extreme to enlist into the service and likewise the military doesn't sit around hoping some computer genius might turn up at the recruiting office. Your accusation of ineptness and incompetent IT is just you having an internal confidence deficit conflict and self-esteem issues.
Free Speech? How in the hell is the Patriot Act limiting speech? None of the rights you mentioned have been taken away or suppressed. Warrant less searches come in two categories. A FISA warrant which is reviewed by a panel of judges before it is issued. The other warrants such as tapping phones is for targeting foreign parties or those who present a national security issue. If someone under surveillance changes residences, phones,computers, or cars the law enforcement agencies can request a warrant that allows these agencies to track those being investigated as they move around thus negating the need to get a warrant for every car, phone, or house the person under surveillance moves to. Both of these warrants require at least one of the parties to be foreign based. If you are arrested and tried on evidence collected by these types of warrants you still can challenge their validity in court. This has already happened starting with a small group of people in New Jersey who were plotting to bomb a military base. The government collected wire taps under a FISA warrant but when they went to court the government didn't use any evidence collected by warrant less evidence. The government is reluctant to rely on evidence collected under these warrants because they don't want them challenged in court and potentially lose this investigative tool.
You are guilty of spreading dis-information and outright falsehoods. You do nothing but perpetuate the animosity aimed at the entire US. This includes both the government and it's citizens in general. You use hearsay,anecdotal evidence, and outright BS to support and advance your world view. There are people being investigated for thier role in leaking classified information but no one has been arrested excepting the person who unlawfully released classified data in the first place and he will get a trial where he can dispute the charges. They didn't disappear him or shoot him.
Your are a moron. Name one instance where freedom of speech has been suppressed in the US. And personally I wish the US would disengage from the cluster fuck otherwise known as the Global Community for everything excepting trade and just sit back and see what happens. Of course with the US out of the picture there are a lot of countries who will need to find someone else to blame for their problems.
Well a lot of people the world have their respect towards their governments enforced at the end of the gun.
Can you backup this statement with any facts showing where US citizens have lost their freedoms as granted in the Constitution and Bill of Rights? And please don't include the copyright argument that people are busy hyperventilating over lately. That particular fight is being played out under the rules granted using the Constitution and Bill of Rights as the foundation. Unlike Thailand the US government can not imprison someone for posting complaints about the government. If this was the case 99% of the population would be in jail. And what books are banned in the US? The only book I think is banned is the book describing how to have sex with children that Amazon published a few years back.
You are correct the user is the biggest threat vector going but I don't seen anything software developers can do to make a system 100% secure no matter what the user does. Super secure systems like Linux SE are usually not as user friendly as some of the popular desktop operating systems. As hard as people work to secure systems there are people working just as hard to make them unsecured so maybe this battle will be decided in the future but for now people will just have to accept some risk.
You are the prime example on how someone can ignore every fact you encounter that does not support your world view. The palestinians represent the longest and most rewarded scam of the century. They are receiving billions of dollars a year from the EU, US, and Arab countries and the majority of that money never gets to those who need it. The Palestinians were sacrificed by the entire middle east as way to attack Israel which didn't involve getting humiliated by the IDF for a fourth time. The "occupied lands" and the people living there were not Palestinians since they never accepted the UN partitioning there by voiding any borders defined in the agreement. The people living there were citizens of Jordan, Egypt, and Syria after their military ass kicking. The Arabs never agreed with the UN resolution for land divisions but now they want a fucking do over having lost every war of conquest the have launched in 65 years. They could not even defeat Israel at a time when the Soviet Union was supplying the Arabs with all the latest military weapons accompanied by military advisers. And before 1973 the US was not supplying Israel with anything. In 1973 the US re-supplied Israel but they sure as hell didn't send troops or provide them with equivalent weaponry. The Arabs take the cake when it comes to rewriting history and unfortunately they have convinced a lot of people that their interpretation of history is correct. Most of the school books in the Middle East state that Israel attacked the Arab states in 1973 which is 100% verifiably false however the Arabs are raising new generations on lies all targeted at destroying Israel. But hopefully the Arabs will step over the line with their attacks against school buses and Israeli sub-divisions and Israel can finally put them out of their misery once and for all.
If a site is blacklisted for copyright violations does that not imply that the copyrighted information is available from the source that copyrighted the information in the first place? That would not really be censorship would it? Or is it that just the thought of not having full and unfettered access to someones copyrighted works the real problem?
I honestly don't see what concessions Israel could offer to satisfy everyone. I have been there several times over the past 15 years and I was struck at just how small the area was. No matter the reason Israel is right in the middle of millions of people who hate them and have never been shy of broadcasting that fact. I think any Israeli leader who compromises the states security would be committing suicide because without a shadow of a doubt the Arabs will never stop attacking Israel until there is no Israel left. The thing is that this time the Jews while not go down quietly. If they are ever in the position of being over run I imagine at a minimum Damascus, Cairo, Tehran, and Mecca will end up radioactive craters and to tell you the truth I wouldn't blame Israel for doing it. Maybe such a catastrophe is what it will take to force the world off it's reliance on Arab states petroleum products while also showing the world for the second time in 70 years how low humans are prepared to sink in demonising their enemies to the point of total annihilation.
Until the Arab world steps up and acknowledges their contribution to prolonging the conflict instead of blaming Israel for the whole mess there will never be any resolution of the existing problems. They don't need to apologize they just need to own up to the fact that Israel didn't just steal any land they gained it by winning the wars that the Arab world launched against them. They have never been able to get past the humiliation of losing to the tiny state of Israel and will never be satisfied until Israel no longer exists no matter what concessions Israel agrees to.
So the Windows community is to blame for lax user practices on a Mac OS? This current piece of MAC malware is only the beginning. And the reason the number of compromises will continue to grow is that for years MAC users have been told that the MAC OS is totally immune to viruses, trojans, and all the other threats floating around the web. The surprising thing is the number of techies who seem to be under the impression that the MAC OS security framework is invulnerable and there is nothing to worry about. The criminals know there is a ton of money to be made going after OS X, iOS, and all the different permutations of the Android OS. Plus Windows security has improved greatly since the days of Win95 and IE6 making the number of potential exploits harder to take advantage of. Windows users have also been pounded with security notices and updates for years and that has also helped raise user awarness. I have also wondered how much easier it would have been to create exploits for the Windows OS if Microsoft had open sourced it. It will be interesting to see if open source will encourage more people to target Android in the future.