Eric's Ultimate Solitaire. That's one of them. Yay! Another solitaire game for Linux! Now if we just could get a commercial Minesweeper clone... *snort snort snort*
I only reload umpteen times a day because I don't have time to put my own vehement opinions into words.
Yet, oddly, I seem to have time to read others' opinions for 45 minutes at a time.;-)
Congadjimayshuns, Rob, et al! Keep it up for a few hundred million more.
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I get very annoyed when some morons come and tell us that we shouldn't use such and such kernel. If we decide to take risks on our system this is our own darn business.
Oh, get your undies out of a bind.:P I really don't think the "don't touch new kernel!" warning was targeted at you. I thought what he said was entirely appropriate. With the recent influx of newbies (myself included...wheeee!) into the Linux fold, cluelessness is at an all-time high. I'm sure there are people out there running Linux that don't know that the x.odd.x kernels are dev and the x.even.x ones are production. So they would just upgrade, thinking "higher is better," then their systems would be screwed, they'd blame Linux, and go mewling back to Microsloth.
Yeah, yeah, bring on the arguments about "then they're stupid, and deserve it, blah blah blah." To those that would argue that, I recommend you get out of your basement and realize that the days of a hacker-only Linux are fading fast. So you can accept it, and get on with life, or shake your tiny fists and rant about how guys with big wieners only use a CLI with no mouse, preferably over a network connection for the added "no directly attached monitor" ego boost.
Phooey, sez I. Linux is a beautiful bit of software, and to try to deny anyone the right/ability to use it seems tragic to me.
Just to pick a nit here, but I sincerely doubt if the talent of the Open Source crowd is what's holding back 3D acceleration for Linux. More likely, it's the Open Source crowd's inability to see the specs on the various cards that's keeping them from writing good software for it. Duh.
"Judge, shmudge! I want lightsabers and eyecandy! I want droids and blasters! If it has a semblance of a plot at all, the critics can bite me! This is Star Wars, and the first person that even _mentions_ 'believability' is getting their butt kicked."
...says Ed, who just spent the last half hour watching VH1, drooling all the while.
In all honesty, I could care less who owns my cable service as long as: 1) they don't screw up the channel line-up, 2)I GET A CABLE MODEM. Though the thought of shelling out money every month to Microsoft gives me a bad case of the willies.:P
Yuck. Here in my corner of Chicagoland, MediaOne's channel selection is actually pretty good, but I'm still without a cable modem. Their stupid website has been promising me one "within three months" for the last five months. Jerks.
I don't want to become an unwilling servant of the evil empire, though. Yuck. Never thought I'd be rooting for AT&T.;-)
You know, I am sick to death of reading this. This very argument, or strains of it, keep popping up in message-places around the web (most prevalent on ZD*). "Linux isn't done yet, it won't support my foo card!"
Why does everyone assume this is Linux's fault!??!?!? ARRRRRGH!!! Get a freakin' clue, people!! Does Microsoft write every single device driver for every piece of hardware for every version of Windows? NO! The hardware vendors do it! But they don't do it for Linux, because Linux doesn't have enough market share (or market presence) for them to feel it's worth their time to do so.
To date, the majority of the device drivers for Linux have been written by users who thought, "How the heck can I get this stupid thing to work!?!?" FYI, that is a lot harder than a company saying, "Here is the Microsoft driver for our foo card. We now have supplied drivers for 90% of the home computer users. That's Good Enough for us."
Did you ever stop to think at the sheer NUMBER of different cards their are for the Intel platform? It's mind numbing! Now YOU go try to keep up with every Soundblaster rip-off, every bleeding edge graphics card, without any support from the manufacturers (except 3dfx)! Daunting, ain't it?
For those of you prone to misread things, I am NOT arguing that people are stupid because the drivers DO exist. A lot of drivers are missing from the Linux Computing Experience. I'm saying people are stupid because they assume the OS is responsible for providing their drivers. Don't blame the OS, and do not blame the fine folks that have taken the trouble to write the drivers that you already have access to! These people have coded their asses off, and as a result non-coding clods like me (and a lot of other current Linux users) can actually use an OS that works. For them, I have nothing but thanks and heartfelt gratitude.
Blame the hardware vendors, Microsoft, the market, or your grandma's dog. Whatever. Just realize (now say it with me, kids) it's not the fault of the OS.:P
You realize, of course, that you're mainly agreeing with the message you're responding to. You both agree that humans are responsible for the deer situation, because we effed up the ecosystem. I really doubt if we killed the other predators off because we wanted to hunt more deer. More like we've always had this tendency to kill things that can kill us and our "pets."
Your "ifs" are moot, because we DID eliminate their natural predators, so now there are three options: let the deer go population-happy, trashing the landscape and spreading disease (happy anthrax, everyone!), hunt them ourselves, or introduce predators back where they belong.
Personally, I like option three, but that's just me. The second one is the easiest, and is most likely to continue. The guy is right. Until and unless things change, in lots of places hunting is an ecological necessity.
My god!!! You mean you actually read the article first instead of just coming to the message board and spewing OS-War crap?
You are to be commended.
But is it Mac -> Linux -> Win because of install base, or varying hardware? Is Linux bigger than Mac already? On the desktop, I mean?
I thought they were doing it the way they are because the Macs have a fairly homogenous hardware setup (and a smaller install base). Linux is next, because it has all those different motherboard/processor + card combos to sift through when fixing bugs, then Wind'oh!s because (this is the point Microlackies don't get) all the companies write drivers for them from the get-go, so anything that works with Intel is available to them. That would make it a nightmare for initial bugtracking, I'd think.:P
Seems like a really sensible release scheme to me, too. I would assume once the bugs get hammered out, all the final releases would be boxed and shipped at the same time.
I never said he did have a monopoly, nor did I say that everything he said was golden. I just said that he had some good ideas. That by no means was meant to imply that no one else* has any good ideas. That would be silly.
I think the human race needs a serious influx of respect, sympathy, and empathy for lots of things, not just one another.:P I agree with you, AC --how they get there doesn't matter at all. I do wish they'd get on the road soon, though. Bleah.
Careful, you just opened yourself up for some "religious nut" bashing.
However, I agree with you. I don't claim to be Christian, but any dork can look at Christ's teachings and realize that there's some darn good advice to be had in them. The same dork can also easily see that far too many Christians just don't get it.:P
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Well, then it would have been more illegal to possess them, so . . . .
No no! They just used a variation of "Inductive Reasoning" as outlined in Science Made Stupid by Tom Weller (copyright 1985). The outline is as follows, with Mindshaft's specific steps explained:
Formulate Hypothesis In this case "NT is faster than Linux"
Apply for Grant This is a bit out of sync, because I think the "grant" came in before the hypothesis was ever formulated
Perform Experiments/Gather Data to Test Hypothesis Benchmark! Benchmark! Benchmark!
Alter Data to Fit Hypothesis Here they varied from the outline again. Instead of altering the data, they altered the test conditions.
Publish Press release, etc.
So while they varied from the outline in some areas, it is clearly a valid use of the inductive method. Of course, I had no idea anyone took Science Made Stupid so seriously....
I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance here, but could someone point out an example of Corel's expertise in building a GUI? I keep coming across that line, but so far it's left my stymied.
Are you serious? All you need (depending on the size of the school, of course) are few admins to keep things sailing, and I'd think Linux is much better than Windows for a school environment. The main reason being that you can keep the pesky little buggers away from the important stuff, thus preventing a major hosing of the system.
As for ease of use...bah! Slap a GUI on it, put the necessary icons on the panel or desktop or "start" menu, and let them have at it! Then encourage them to REALLY get to know Linux and the CLI.
Plus, with all that uptime, the kids can actually DO stuff! What a concept.
My brother did a paper in organic chemistry waayyyyy back when. I, of course, forget the nitty-gritty of it, but the basic gist of it was that gram for gram, caffeine is worse than cocaine.
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I wouldn't jump to conclusions until after Microsoft has had a chance to cross-examine the individual.
Uh...this all came out in a deposition TO the Microsoft lawyers.
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Eric's Ultimate Solitaire. That's one of them. Yay! Another solitaire game for Linux! Now if we just could get a commercial Minesweeper clone... *snort snort snort*
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I only reload umpteen times a day because I don't have time to put my own vehement opinions into words.
;-)
Yet, oddly, I seem to have time to read others' opinions for 45 minutes at a time.
Congadjimayshuns, Rob, et al! Keep it up for a few hundred million more.
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I get very annoyed when some morons come and tell us that we shouldn't use such and such kernel. If we decide to take risks on our system this is our own darn business.
:P I really don't think the "don't touch new kernel!" warning was targeted at you. I thought what he said was entirely appropriate. With the recent influx of newbies (myself included...wheeee!) into the Linux fold, cluelessness is at an all-time high. I'm sure there are people out there running Linux that don't know that the x.odd.x kernels are dev and the x.even.x ones are production. So they would just upgrade, thinking "higher is better," then their systems would be screwed, they'd blame Linux, and go mewling back to Microsloth.
Oh, get your undies out of a bind.
Yeah, yeah, bring on the arguments about "then they're stupid, and deserve it, blah blah blah." To those that would argue that, I recommend you get out of your basement and realize that the days of a hacker-only Linux are fading fast. So you can accept it, and get on with life, or shake your tiny fists and rant about how guys with big wieners only use a CLI with no mouse, preferably over a network connection for the added "no directly attached monitor" ego boost.
Phooey, sez I. Linux is a beautiful bit of software, and to try to deny anyone the right/ability to use it seems tragic to me.
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Just to pick a nit here, but I sincerely doubt if the talent of the Open Source crowd is what's holding back 3D acceleration for Linux. More likely, it's the Open Source crowd's inability to see the specs on the various cards that's keeping them from writing good software for it. Duh.
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"Judge, shmudge! I want lightsabers and eyecandy! I want droids and blasters! If it has a semblance of a plot at all, the critics can bite me! This is Star Wars, and the first person that even _mentions_ 'believability' is getting their butt kicked."
...says Ed, who just spent the last half hour watching VH1, drooling all the while.
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Bah! Just get creative. I have seen all manner of interesting storage devices designed to not look like what they are. ;-)
Not that I would ever use such things, of course. I am strictly a law-abiding citizen, so far as what can be proved in court is concerned.
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In all honesty, I could care less who owns my cable service as long as: 1) they don't screw up the channel line-up, 2)I GET A CABLE MODEM. Though the thought of shelling out money every month to Microsoft gives me a bad case of the willies. :P
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Yuck. Here in my corner of Chicagoland, MediaOne's channel selection is actually pretty good, but I'm still without a cable modem. Their stupid website has been promising me one "within three months" for the last five months. Jerks.
;-)
I don't want to become an unwilling servant of the evil empire, though. Yuck. Never thought I'd be rooting for AT&T.
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You know, I am sick to death of reading this. This very argument, or strains of it, keep popping up in message-places around the web (most prevalent on ZD*). "Linux isn't done yet, it won't support my foo card!"
:P
Why does everyone assume this is Linux's fault!??!?!? ARRRRRGH!!! Get a freakin' clue, people!! Does Microsoft write every single device driver for every piece of hardware for every version of Windows? NO! The hardware vendors do it! But they don't do it for Linux, because Linux doesn't have enough market share (or market presence) for them to feel it's worth their time to do so.
To date, the majority of the device drivers for Linux have been written by users who thought, "How the heck can I get this stupid thing to work!?!?" FYI, that is a lot harder than a company saying, "Here is the Microsoft driver for our foo card. We now have supplied drivers for 90% of the home computer users. That's Good Enough for us."
Did you ever stop to think at the sheer NUMBER of different cards their are for the Intel platform? It's mind numbing! Now YOU go try to keep up with every Soundblaster rip-off, every bleeding edge graphics card, without any support from the manufacturers (except 3dfx)! Daunting, ain't it?
For those of you prone to misread things, I am NOT arguing that people are stupid because the drivers DO exist. A lot of drivers are missing from the Linux Computing Experience. I'm saying people are stupid because they assume the OS is responsible for providing their drivers. Don't blame the OS, and do not blame the fine folks that have taken the trouble to write the drivers that you already have access to! These people have coded their asses off, and as a result non-coding clods like me (and a lot of other current Linux users) can actually use an OS that works. For them, I have nothing but thanks and heartfelt gratitude.
Blame the hardware vendors, Microsoft, the market, or your grandma's dog. Whatever. Just realize (now say it with me, kids) it's not the fault of the OS.
*whew*
There's that peeve vented.
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If the employees get too down from looking in the mirror, they usually just look at their stock portfolio for a pick-me-up.
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That might change soon, though.
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You realize, of course, that you're mainly agreeing with the message you're responding to. You both agree that humans are responsible for the deer situation, because we effed up the ecosystem. I really doubt if we killed the other predators off because we wanted to hunt more deer. More like we've always had this tendency to kill things that can kill us and our "pets."
Your "ifs" are moot, because we DID eliminate their natural predators, so now there are three options: let the deer go population-happy, trashing the landscape and spreading disease (happy anthrax, everyone!), hunt them ourselves, or introduce predators back where they belong.
Personally, I like option three, but that's just me. The second one is the easiest, and is most likely to continue. The guy is right. Until and unless things change, in lots of places hunting is an ecological necessity.
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My god!!! You mean you actually read the article first instead of just coming to the message board and spewing OS-War crap?
:P
You are to be commended.
But is it Mac -> Linux -> Win because of install base, or varying hardware? Is Linux bigger than Mac already? On the desktop, I mean?
I thought they were doing it the way they are because the Macs have a fairly homogenous hardware setup (and a smaller install base). Linux is next, because it has all those different motherboard/processor + card combos to sift through when fixing bugs, then Wind'oh!s because (this is the point Microlackies don't get) all the companies write drivers for them from the get-go, so anything that works with Intel is available to them. That would make it a nightmare for initial bugtracking, I'd think.
Seems like a really sensible release scheme to me, too. I would assume once the bugs get hammered out, all the final releases would be boxed and shipped at the same time.
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I never said he did have a monopoly, nor did I say that everything he said was golden. I just said that he had some good ideas. That by no means was meant to imply that no one else* has any good ideas. That would be silly.
:P I agree with you, AC --how they get there doesn't matter at all. I do wish they'd get on the road soon, though. Bleah.
I think the human race needs a serious influx of respect, sympathy, and empathy for lots of things, not just one another.
*with the possible exception of L. Ron Hubbard.
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Careful, you just opened yourself up for some "religious nut" bashing.
:P
However, I agree with you. I don't claim to be Christian, but any dork can look at Christ's teachings and realize that there's some darn good advice to be had in them. The same dork can also easily see that far too many Christians just don't get it.
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Well, then it would have been more illegal to possess them, so . . . .
Oh wait. Never mind.
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No no! They just used a variation of "Inductive Reasoning" as outlined in Science Made Stupid by Tom Weller (copyright 1985). The outline is as follows, with Mindshaft's specific steps explained:
Formulate Hypothesis
In this case "NT is faster than Linux"
Apply for Grant
This is a bit out of sync, because I think the "grant" came in before the hypothesis was ever formulated
Perform Experiments/Gather Data to Test Hypothesis
Benchmark! Benchmark! Benchmark!
Alter Data to Fit Hypothesis
Here they varied from the outline again. Instead of altering the data, they altered the test conditions.
Publish
Press release, etc.
So while they varied from the outline in some areas, it is clearly a valid use of the inductive method. Of course, I had no idea anyone took Science Made Stupid so seriously....
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my above reply to the reply immediately following yours. ; )
Oh. Okay. I've not seen Corel's office suite (WP8 for Linux didn't exactly blow me away), and my last exposure to Draw was v5 (Win 3.1...ack!).
I guess I also somehow got GUI = OS GUI stuck in my head, and didn't even consider all their apps. Silly me.
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I'm sure I'm showing my ignorance here, but could someone point out an example of Corel's expertise in building a GUI? I keep coming across that line, but so far it's left my stymied.
Thanks.
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There's also the Windows-based, GUI install program (for people too confused about rebooting with a boot floppy) and Tetris.
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Of all these, I think Tetris is the coolest enhancement.
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Erm.. surpass Windows? Hellooooooo?!
Perhaps he was talking about the ease of installation issue? That's what I assumed, anyhoo.
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Are you serious? All you need (depending on the size of the school, of course) are few admins to keep things sailing, and I'd think Linux is much better than Windows for a school environment. The main reason being that you can keep the pesky little buggers away from the important stuff, thus preventing a major hosing of the system.
As for ease of use...bah! Slap a GUI on it, put the necessary icons on the panel or desktop or "start" menu, and let them have at it! Then encourage them to REALLY get to know Linux and the CLI.
Plus, with all that uptime, the kids can actually DO stuff! What a concept.
Seems like a great plan to me.
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Was that translated into English, or Yoda-speak? ;)
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My brother did a paper in organic chemistry waayyyyy back when. I, of course, forget the nitty-gritty of it, but the basic gist of it was that gram for gram, caffeine is worse than cocaine.
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