Do you think that these kids really deserve what probably awaits them?
It's one thing to get suspended for changing your grades (the teachers could audit their tests to assure that that did or didn't happen). It's another thing entirely to get tossed in jail for something like this.
Is Oracle getting set make an Open Source offering?
No.
Oracle offers a product that aims to compete head to head with Microsoft's suite of collaboration products.
One of my former clients was looking to use this software in their enterprise, which, at the time, was using mostly Microsoft products on this front.
My impression of the matter was the that the only reason that they were even considering this was because they had a site license for Oracle's database, development, and web services products, and had on-site consultants offering solutions to them.
IE, Oracle certainly had their ear already.
Oracle probably views Thunderbird as a way to break Microsoft's hold on this sector of the market. By restoring some competition on this front, they could market their products more effectively.
So, I see your side of this, but there are truths on both sides of this.
1) The CIA report that came out. People forget that it came out at a time when we were really re-evaluating the way we view and react to intelligence. It was obvious that we underreacted in the case of 9/11 intelligence.
2) Many of our allies had profitable dealings that hinged on Iraq's status. They wanted nothing to do with the war, but were plenty willing to cash in on the aftermath. A good deal of what they say is rather 2 sided on this front.
3) France has a burgeoning Muslim population that they are more than happy to comply with these days, even in ways that, frankly, rub against the grain of modern western culture. You really can't look at what they say on this front and take it in the same mindset as you would a country with no biases in the middle east, it's just not the case.
4) Politicians on capital hill are going back on what they said in the fallout of 9/11 to look good to voting blocs. Forget what they say now. We couldn't have gone to war without them. They're backpedaling now because it's an unpopular war.
I'm Libertarian, so I really don't mean to trumpet on Bush's side or anything, but I following this development isn't hard if you've got a long commute and enjoy talk radio. Listen to a balance of commentaries, and you'll see that, unfortunately, most people are talking out their ass on this issue.
It would be much easier if everyone was honest about their intentions and what they meant. Muslim radicals don't want to say "oh, well, we're killing them because we hate Christians". People in government don't want to say "we're killing them because they're muslim radicals, see point A".
I can almost guarantee that eventually WWIII will break out of all of this, mostly because of double-talking politicians.
It's the same reason that "chechen rebels" want me dead.
Nobody wants to say "muslim extremists hate everyone who isn't like them, and want to kill them." That's all that there is to it.
Blaming things on the U.S. is a convenient avenue for them to sound like a victim and get world support for their slaughters.
I don't strive to understand why the Jews pissed off the Nazis, because I know why they did. They were just there. I don't strive to understand what black people did to the KKK for similar reasons. Why should I strive to understand this? I can cut it down to the same thing. It's bigotry. Why is it so hard to imagine that a group could hate me because I'm Christian, and want nothing more than to kill me because of it?
If only Republicans could accept critism instead of the policy of: "Deny everything, accuse your accuser". Why wasn't the reaction to 911 "Why are these people so pissed?" instead of "Oh yeah? well we'll kill all ya'll - U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A!!
I'm a peaceful person overall. There have been a few times in my life when people have picked fights with me, and, for the most part, I have been able to talk down the matter.
That said, if someone pulled a gun on me, I would kill them. I wouldn't ask them to put the gun down. I wouldn't ask them why they drew it. I would make every attempt in my power to kill them.
Bin Laden does not deserve my sympathy, compassion, or understanding. Bin Laden wants to see me dead.
As for Palestinians, they are an entirely different matter than this. The Palestinians have their own leaders. They don't need Bin Laden starting wars for them.
All of that aside, do you really think that recent U.S. involvement has made matters worse for the Palestinians? Think about peace talks from the past 20 years. Think about the Israeli army, and what they could do if their intentions really were malevolent.
You seem to be under the delusion that we needed to piss them off.
We did, but being alive is enough to piss them off. Bin Laden wanted to kill us (all of us) for walking on his turf.
In the U.S. we call that bigotry (because we're not muslim). Unless you're from some culture we don't understand that is.
Do you honestly think that half of these folks are after us because of our doings in Iraq? Come on. Iraq is high profile, but if you want to look at things that the government is doing wrong, there are much more ethically clear-cut things than this.
Look at what our "War on Drugs" has done in Columbia.
If Microsoft said that the threat of viruses against its OS was overblown, in the face of Symantec, we'd be up in arms vs MS.
Are we really supposed to be up in arms against Symantec for saying that cell phones are vulnerable?
Since when is it not a problem just because none of the viruses do anything malevolent yet? What is this, security through hoping the problem goes away?
Also, we're suppose to beleive a telecom over Symantec? I'm not saying that Symantec has nothing at stake, but sheesh, since when do we believe everything that the telecoms tell us?
Ok, I gave you an answer with as much data as I have.
I have seen very few academic papers put out as HTML.
I have seen very many put out as PDF.
People put their paper into TeX, and then pop out a PDF. They do this so it looks the same way it did in the journal in which it was published.
As for the benefit, that's the benefit, that's why the do it. I'm sorry that you don't think that it's a benefit. If I read 2 or 3 papers, it helps me to have a hard copy that I can write on with a pen and a highlighter. That's what many other people do, as to actual numbers, I haven't taken a survey, but I'm sure it's a pretty high number, since I'm looking at about 10 people doing the same thing right now.
What is the obsession you have with being so fractious.
Take it down a notch man.
Shit, the guy published his book in PDF format, and gave it away, and every post on this topic has been about the fact that he did it as PDF (guess nobody gives a shit about PHP).
Ok, fine. Nobody uses PDF, but you need a PDF reader to get that book, and any academic paper out of citeseer.
Citeseer doesn't offer HTML, and many academic papers are difficult to find in that format. Mostly people pass around tex files and process them into whatever format is appropriate, since we don't want to process the tex, we pass around a nice looking PDF or PS.
As for benefits... eh, it looks the same to everyone who reads it. Essentially that's the benefit.
You seem to be confused about what Computer Science is.
Computer Science is not IT. Computer Science is Computer Science. If you want to learn how to write software, then Computer Science is probably the right major.
If you want to learn how to develop hardware, then either Computer Engineering or Electical Engineering are right for you, depending on what you mean by hardware... IE, if you like digital logic, Computer Engineering. If you like motors and switches, probably Electrical Engineering.
A number of schools Computer and Information Science programs focus on IT aspects. Information Science is generally different from this, and focusses on... User Interfaces, Natural Language, the structure of information... So forth.
Essentially, if you're looking to become an IT guy by getting a Computer Science degree, you're really looking in the wrong place. If you're looking to cut IT into Hardware vs Software, you'll probably find that "Both" is what your employer will be expecting.
There is no shortage of IT workers. Stop listening to propaganda from companies who want to justify going overseas. Outsourcing is about undercutting prices, not finding qualified people.
I figured that the plausibility came from the fact that the script was intended to hurt the script kiddie's feelings a bit. Maybe an animation, a BSOD, and the kiddie doesn't have the pride to keep going?
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I think that you're overreacting.
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I can vouch for that, though my example isn't very healthy.
I used to always drink regular Bawls... except that I was pulling week long all-nighters, and the calories were adding up.
Now, I drink sugar-free Bawls. Let me tell you, the first bottle was mortifying, now, I can't drink the regular stuff, but love the diet!
See you folks at the race.
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Nice moderation. Disagree with me, so you downmod me.
That's ok, you'll be comfortable in a society with no free speech, where high school kids are jailed for such petty mischief.
None of those things deserve jail time.
Do you think that these kids really deserve what probably awaits them?
It's one thing to get suspended for changing your grades (the teachers could audit their tests to assure that that did or didn't happen). It's another thing entirely to get tossed in jail for something like this.
Good, throw them in jail.
Those miscreants are a danger to society, and consider the cash value of all of the damage that they have done, not to mention the bruised egos!
They are terrorists, and should be executed!
</sarcasm>
Is Oracle getting set make an Open Source offering?
No.
Oracle offers a product that aims to compete head to head with Microsoft's suite of collaboration products.
One of my former clients was looking to use this software in their enterprise, which, at the time, was using mostly Microsoft products on this front. My impression of the matter was the that the only reason that they were even considering this was because they had a site license for Oracle's database, development, and web services products, and had on-site consultants offering solutions to them.
IE, Oracle certainly had their ear already.
Oracle probably views Thunderbird as a way to break Microsoft's hold on this sector of the market. By restoring some competition on this front, they could market their products more effectively.
So, I see your side of this, but there are truths on both sides of this.
1) The CIA report that came out. People forget that it came out at a time when we were really re-evaluating the way we view and react to intelligence. It was obvious that we underreacted in the case of 9/11 intelligence.
2) Many of our allies had profitable dealings that hinged on Iraq's status. They wanted nothing to do with the war, but were plenty willing to cash in on the aftermath. A good deal of what they say is rather 2 sided on this front.
3) France has a burgeoning Muslim population that they are more than happy to comply with these days, even in ways that, frankly, rub against the grain of modern western culture. You really can't look at what they say on this front and take it in the same mindset as you would a country with no biases in the middle east, it's just not the case.
4) Politicians on capital hill are going back on what they said in the fallout of 9/11 to look good to voting blocs. Forget what they say now. We couldn't have gone to war without them. They're backpedaling now because it's an unpopular war.
I'm Libertarian, so I really don't mean to trumpet on Bush's side or anything, but I following this development isn't hard if you've got a long commute and enjoy talk radio. Listen to a balance of commentaries, and you'll see that, unfortunately, most people are talking out their ass on this issue.
It would be much easier if everyone was honest about their intentions and what they meant. Muslim radicals don't want to say "oh, well, we're killing them because we hate Christians". People in government don't want to say "we're killing them because they're muslim radicals, see point A".
I can almost guarantee that eventually WWIII will break out of all of this, mostly because of double-talking politicians.
I understand why they want me dead.
It's the same reason that "chechen rebels" want me dead.
Nobody wants to say "muslim extremists hate everyone who isn't like them, and want to kill them." That's all that there is to it.
Blaming things on the U.S. is a convenient avenue for them to sound like a victim and get world support for their slaughters.
I don't strive to understand why the Jews pissed off the Nazis, because I know why they did. They were just there. I don't strive to understand what black people did to the KKK for similar reasons. Why should I strive to understand this? I can cut it down to the same thing. It's bigotry. Why is it so hard to imagine that a group could hate me because I'm Christian, and want nothing more than to kill me because of it?
If only Republicans could accept critism instead of the policy of: "Deny everything, accuse your accuser". Why wasn't the reaction to 911 "Why are these people so pissed?" instead of "Oh yeah? well we'll kill all ya'll - U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A U.S.A!!
I'm a peaceful person overall. There have been a few times in my life when people have picked fights with me, and, for the most part, I have been able to talk down the matter.
That said, if someone pulled a gun on me, I would kill them. I wouldn't ask them to put the gun down. I wouldn't ask them why they drew it. I would make every attempt in my power to kill them.
Bin Laden does not deserve my sympathy, compassion, or understanding. Bin Laden wants to see me dead.
As for Palestinians, they are an entirely different matter than this. The Palestinians have their own leaders. They don't need Bin Laden starting wars for them.
All of that aside, do you really think that recent U.S. involvement has made matters worse for the Palestinians? Think about peace talks from the past 20 years. Think about the Israeli army, and what they could do if their intentions really were malevolent.
You seem to be under the delusion that we needed to piss them off.
We did, but being alive is enough to piss them off. Bin Laden wanted to kill us (all of us) for walking on his turf.
In the U.S. we call that bigotry (because we're not muslim). Unless you're from some culture we don't understand that is.
Do you honestly think that half of these folks are after us because of our doings in Iraq? Come on. Iraq is high profile, but if you want to look at things that the government is doing wrong, there are much more ethically clear-cut things than this.
Look at what our "War on Drugs" has done in Columbia.
Ok guys, we need to be consistent...
If Microsoft said that the threat of viruses against its OS was overblown, in the face of Symantec, we'd be up in arms vs MS.
Are we really supposed to be up in arms against Symantec for saying that cell phones are vulnerable?
Since when is it not a problem just because none of the viruses do anything malevolent yet? What is this, security through hoping the problem goes away?
Also, we're suppose to beleive a telecom over Symantec? I'm not saying that Symantec has nothing at stake, but sheesh, since when do we believe everything that the telecoms tell us?
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FrSIRT will go down 2 minutes after the start of a brutal Slashdotting.
Is it worth something? I think that I have one packed away somewhere.
Ok, so, I read Gee's reply "Taking it on the Chin".
Uhmm, I thought that that phrase was a reference to oral sex... but that really doesn't sound like something that that would make it into HP's blog.
What does the phrase taking it on the chin mean?
Ok.
I didn't get it, can someone explain?
Is this just you saying that history changed... or is this something from a movie, or what?
So, we only need to make this ad an ad that will be remembered for all of eternity in 1 week.
Let me suggest that you advertise it using a laser light show pointed at the moon.
(Was it Pepsi that considered doing this until it decided that it would piss off most of the planet?)
Anyway, the global uproar should be big enough that at least someone will remember.
Ok, I gave you an answer with as much data as I have.
I have seen very few academic papers put out as HTML.
I have seen very many put out as PDF.
People put their paper into TeX, and then pop out a PDF. They do this so it looks the same way it did in the journal in which it was published.
As for the benefit, that's the benefit, that's why the do it. I'm sorry that you don't think that it's a benefit. If I read 2 or 3 papers, it helps me to have a hard copy that I can write on with a pen and a highlighter. That's what many other people do, as to actual numbers, I haven't taken a survey, but I'm sure it's a pretty high number, since I'm looking at about 10 people doing the same thing right now.
What is the obsession you have with being so fractious.
Take it down a notch man.
Shit, the guy published his book in PDF format, and gave it away, and every post on this topic has been about the fact that he did it as PDF (guess nobody gives a shit about PHP).
Ok, fine. Nobody uses PDF, but you need a PDF reader to get that book, and any academic paper out of citeseer.
You're right.
What we were thinking.
Let me go tell everyone to change real quick.
Just that everyone uses it :-)
Citeseer doesn't offer HTML, and many academic papers are difficult to find in that format. Mostly people pass around tex files and process them into whatever format is appropriate, since we don't want to process the tex, we pass around a nice looking PDF or PS.
As for benefits... eh, it looks the same to everyone who reads it. Essentially that's the benefit.
Everyone uses PDF.
There are 2 formats that I download almost constantly (reading academic papers) postscript and pdf.
You seem to be confused about what Computer Science is.
Computer Science is not IT. Computer Science is Computer Science. If you want to learn how to write software, then Computer Science is probably the right major.
If you want to learn how to develop hardware, then either Computer Engineering or Electical Engineering are right for you, depending on what you mean by hardware... IE, if you like digital logic, Computer Engineering. If you like motors and switches, probably Electrical Engineering.
A number of schools Computer and Information Science programs focus on IT aspects. Information Science is generally different from this, and focusses on... User Interfaces, Natural Language, the structure of information... So forth.
Essentially, if you're looking to become an IT guy by getting a Computer Science degree, you're really looking in the wrong place. If you're looking to cut IT into Hardware vs Software, you'll probably find that "Both" is what your employer will be expecting.
There is no shortage of IT workers. Stop listening to propaganda from companies who want to justify going overseas. Outsourcing is about undercutting prices, not finding qualified people.
I figured that the plausibility came from the fact that the script was intended to hurt the script kiddie's feelings a bit. Maybe an animation, a BSOD, and the kiddie doesn't have the pride to keep going?
Your version is much more plausible though.