I wouldn't cry if the entire region nuked itself into giant molerats, to be honest. People die all the damn time, why not a bunch of angry people? The land would be poisoned and worthless, but the same set of assholes have been fighting over it for the last 6000 or so years, so it can die, too.
The target was workstations that program embedded systems. Why the hell wouldn't you program your general purpose motor drives on a general purpose operating system?
If you read about how this thing works, the real payload is a rootkit for a motor drive plc built by an Iranian manufacturer and spinning in the range needed to enrich uranium. It was also targetted at the desktop software designed to program said motor drive, which is windows. If they were running Linux, I'm sure there are a few zero day sploits out there suitible for hiding a rootkit dropper. The people that made this thing had time, information, legitimate driver signing certificates, and resources. I doubt there are many platforms that can deal with such a determined attacker.
Plenty of third party software uses the setting, and to me it makes perfect sense to only have to set up proxies and trust one time. Zones? Not so much.
The point was that it was the same exact product in the same bottle, with a new little logo and a blurb full of weasel words about perhaps helping the planet maybe. And I'm sorry you don't find my comments funny. I'll try to be dryer in the future.
While I don't agree 100% with your sentiments, I did realize that there was something horribly wrong with the "green" movement in consumer goods while cleaning my toilet. I was using the same nasty cleaner as always, with an entire panel of the bottle covered in horrible shit that might happen if I don't follow the instructions... but this time it had an "eco-friendly" logo on the front. What the happy fuck does eco-friendly have to do with horribly caustic mint flavored shit-streak remover?
It's a massive pain in the ass to have to reconfigure proxy and PKI on a per application basis. I personally love that Chrome uses the OS settings that Firefox ignores.
Um, western Europe as a whole was held by the Nazis for most of that time. Hitler was photographed in front of the Eifel tower, but you don't call it a Nazi structure.
Mmm, no. The CIA ran brothels during the 1950s and 1960s to recruit johns for mind control experiments, and they were particularly fond of LSD. This was explored at length in the late 1970s when the US Senate took an interest. Time Magazine seems like a decent source.
If The Man really wanted to effect a proper smear campaign, they'd announce that Assange took a job at Microsoft. That should get the last of the neckbeard holdouts to drop his ass.
Fabricating a sexual assault case is a whole lot harder than a bunch of much more effective ways to make him go away forever. People get killed in automobile accidents all the damn time.
Reply to This Parent CA's db is dying? (Score:2) by LaminatorX (410794) Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 9:16 (#34350124) Homepage Quick, somebody get confirmation from Netcraft.
-- "The most merciful quality of the human mind is its inability to correlate its contents" --HPL
Reply to This Runs only on big hardware (Score:2, Informative) by sbates (1832606) Alter Relationship on Fri November 26, 9:18 (#34350132) From the ca site (http://www.ca.com/us/products/overview.aspx?id={40FB2A1D-9B09-429E-9D52-123477B87E97}):
It is a high-performance, multi-user relational database management system based on z/OS and VSE host platforms.
Unfortunately, although clients can access it from any platform, it's not available for anything else.
Reply to This Second most popular CA search (Score:3, Insightful) by echucker (570962) Alter Relationship on Fri November 26, 9:24 (#34350190) Homepage First one on Google is just the name, but 2nd is "computer associates removal tool". Makes you wonder why..... Reply to This Don't wonder why (CA=disreputable, see inside) (Score:-1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 10:20 (#34350586) CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."
(Read on below, it only gets better, as to how CA really "operates"...)
APK
P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).
So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).
Next thing I know? My app's listed out online being classed as a "malware" @ CA's websites!
It's only 1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk. It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).
A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).
I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a
des without permission and deprived CA of license fees. CA also disputed claims that its database platform was 'dying.'"
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Getting desperate, are we? (Score:1) by furbyhater (969847) Alter Relationship on Fri November 26, 8:42 (#34349840) This reeks of desperation... Reply to This Is CA still alive??? (Score:2) by AliasMarlowe (1042386) Alter Relationship on Fri November 26, 8:47 (#34349872) Journal...or are they just undead? There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff. Reply to This Parent CA's disreputable (acc'ting scandal) (Score:5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 9:13 (#34350102) "There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff." - by AliasMarlowe (1042386) on Friday November 26, @09:47AM (#34349872)
CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allega
hrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).
I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!
Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).
Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).
So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).
Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let
Read the rest of this comment... Reply to This Parent CA cronies "down modding" me now? Ok... apk (Score:-1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 11:07 (#34350900) Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:
"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal
Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
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I wouldn't cry if the entire region nuked itself into giant molerats, to be honest. People die all the damn time, why not a bunch of angry people? The land would be poisoned and worthless, but the same set of assholes have been fighting over it for the last 6000 or so years, so it can die, too.
The target was workstations that program embedded systems. Why the hell wouldn't you program your general purpose motor drives on a general purpose operating system?
That was sarcasm. I am not a fan of either of the parties here.
If you read about how this thing works, the real payload is a rootkit for a motor drive plc built by an Iranian manufacturer and spinning in the range needed to enrich uranium. It was also targetted at the desktop software designed to program said motor drive, which is windows. If they were running Linux, I'm sure there are a few zero day sploits out there suitible for hiding a rootkit dropper. The people that made this thing had time, information, legitimate driver signing certificates, and resources. I doubt there are many platforms that can deal with such a determined attacker.
Yes indeed. Go team Mossad.
She is obviously a CIA plant making shit up to besmirch his good name.
There are IE extensions that do that, and you can subscribe to the same lists.
Plenty of third party software uses the setting, and to me it makes perfect sense to only have to set up proxies and trust one time. Zones? Not so much.
The point was that it was the same exact product in the same bottle, with a new little logo and a blurb full of weasel words about perhaps helping the planet maybe. And I'm sorry you don't find my comments funny. I'll try to be dryer in the future.
While I don't agree 100% with your sentiments, I did realize that there was something horribly wrong with the "green" movement in consumer goods while cleaning my toilet. I was using the same nasty cleaner as always, with an entire panel of the bottle covered in horrible shit that might happen if I don't follow the instructions... but this time it had an "eco-friendly" logo on the front. What the happy fuck does eco-friendly have to do with horribly caustic mint flavored shit-streak remover?
It's a massive pain in the ass to have to reconfigure proxy and PKI on a per application basis. I personally love that Chrome uses the OS settings that Firefox ignores.
Um, western Europe as a whole was held by the Nazis for most of that time. Hitler was photographed in front of the Eifel tower, but you don't call it a Nazi structure.
Mmm, no. The CIA ran brothels during the 1950s and 1960s to recruit johns for mind control experiments, and they were particularly fond of LSD. This was explored at length in the late 1970s when the US Senate took an interest. Time Magazine seems like a decent source.
Why would I? I'm merely pointing out that Assange certainly does editorialize, and to claim otherwise is a little ridiculous.
he doesn't directly editorialise
Sure, "Collateral Murder" is a nice, neutral name.
Remember the start of dear old Interpol. It was founded as an organized escape aid for upper echelon Nazis during WWII.
In 1923. Learn to causality.
Then why is it such a foregone conclusion that the US is behind any charges in Sweden?
In that case, a dead hooker and some drug charges would be easier than some vague Swedish coercion charge, and is definitely in the CIA's wheelhouse.
If The Man really wanted to effect a proper smear campaign, they'd announce that Assange took a job at Microsoft. That should get the last of the neckbeard holdouts to drop his ass.
Fabricating a sexual assault case is a whole lot harder than a bunch of much more effective ways to make him go away forever. People get killed in automobile accidents all the damn time.
Good plan.
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CA's db is dying? (Score:2)
by LaminatorX (410794)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 9:16 (#34350124) Homepage
Quick, somebody get confirmation from Netcraft.
--
"The most merciful quality of the human mind is its inability to correlate its contents" --HPL
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Runs only on big hardware (Score:2, Informative)
by sbates (1832606)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 9:18 (#34350132)
From the ca site (http://www.ca.com/us/products/overview.aspx?id={40FB2A1D-9B09-429E-9D52-123477B87E97}):
It is a high-performance, multi-user relational database management system based on z/OS and VSE host platforms.
Unfortunately, although clients can access it from any platform, it's not available for anything else.
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Second most popular CA search (Score:3, Insightful)
by echucker (570962)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 9:24 (#34350190) Homepage
First one on Google is just the name, but 2nd is "computer associates removal tool". Makes you wonder why.....
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Don't wonder why (CA=disreputable, see inside) (Score:-1, Redundant)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 10:20 (#34350586)
CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allegations centre on internal accounting and sales activities in the years around the turn of the century, and involve the movement of revenues between quarters and product areas, and consequently, the mis-statement of financial results."
FROM -> http://www.information-age.com/articles/290656/the-information-age-interview.thtml [information-age.com]
(Read on below, it only gets better, as to how CA really "operates"...)
APK
P.S.=> CA also listed a freeware of mine as a "malware" which was written to help out a fellow forums person I knew at NTCompatible years ago, because he had an OLD version of Apache server on Windows which would not run as a tooltray icon while minimized & it was not implemented as a service he told me (that was so it was not visible onscreen and ran "in the background transparently" which most webservers now, do).
So, in good faith/being a "good neighbor", I wrote it up for he (it's NOT commandline argv/argc parameterizeable either, so it's NOT scriptable) in GUI form (only 2-3 lines of code & works via C/C++ type invisible "spawn" type parameterizations).
Next thing I know? My app's listed out online being classed as a "malware" @ CA's websites!
It's only 1 of around 40 freeware apps I've done over time that did VERY well & were featured in respected publications in good reviews in reputable & respected publications like "Windows IT Pro" Magazine (it was Windows NT Mag back then in the 1990's - early 21st century) & others of like ilk. It was also listed under my MIDDLE + LAST NAME, rather than my 1st name + last name (etc.), doubtless so I would NEVER find it most likely (but, I did).
A fool named "Thor Schrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).
I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a
And if your ad isn't making noise and getting in the way, it won't get noticed. Go kill yourself.
des without permission and deprived CA of license fees. CA also disputed claims that its database platform was 'dying.'"
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Getting desperate, are we? (Score:1) ...or are they just undead?
by furbyhater (969847)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 8:42 (#34349840)
This reeks of desperation...
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Is CA still alive??? (Score:2)
by AliasMarlowe (1042386)
Alter Relationship
on Fri November 26, 8:47 (#34349872) Journal
There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff.
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CA's disreputable (acc'ting scandal) (Score:5, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 9:13 (#34350102)
"There was always an unsavoury whiff from their stuff." - by AliasMarlowe (1042386) on Friday November 26, @09:47AM (#34349872)
CA's disreputable - See their "ethics" in accounting practices which they got busted for:
PERTINENT QUOTE/EXCERPT:
"Customers know Computer Associates - and, these days, for all the wrong reasons. Just as the company was beginning to shed its reputation as a home for legacy software products that carried an inflated price tag, it was rocked by a series of accounting scandals. An on-going FBI fraud inquiry and investigations by the US Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission have left it reeling, with a power vacuum at the top as over a dozen senior executives have left or been sacked. The allega
hrock" is who did that submittal to they I strongly suspect, because I found posts of his on CA's malware forums, AND, I also wrote he and he kept addressing me by my MIDDLE name + last name, rather than my first name - which IS how CA listed it (this is actually online too, in a blog of his).
I asked Thor SCHMUCK why isn't Spybot "Search & Destroy" also listed? It alters a HOSTS file, which violates CA's malware removal list test (albeit Spybot S&D alters HOSTS in a GOOD way vs. known malware laden sites). Why not PING?? It can/could issue a "ping of death"!
Thor SCHMUCK went 'silent' after that (which also shows he is NO "expert" by any stretch of the imagination).
Apps that can be used "both ways" get 'victimized' this way (which is like PING via "ping of death", or tools from NIRSOFT (good stuff) &/or SysInternals even (yes, even Dr. Mark Russinovich has had this happen to he (e.g. pstools) as it has myself & Nir Sofer of NIRSOFT) have tools that can be used "for the good" or "the bad", depending on WHO is using them & what they're up to (like a gun, guns don't murder people - other people do).
So, then I took CA's 21 point removal test & passed EVERY SINGLE QUESTION without fail no less, & they would not remove it (but, they had to put it down to "Zero Threat Levels")... I did that on the advice of an attorney (John Lowe of Hiscock & Barclay).
Afterwards when I told the attorney these results, he told me "Yes, you have a WINNING CASE for libel/defamation of character" etc. "and it's worth approx. $150,000 U.S. Dollars", so I said "Well, let
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CA cronies "down modding" me now? Ok... apk (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Fri November 26, 11:07 (#34350900)
Per my subject-line above, let's use the words of a respected other (Mr. Bruce Perens) to show more of how BIG MONEY OPERATES, albeit online:
"I have been offered the online-perception-management services I'm talking about while managing at HP and Sourcelabs. If you are not aware of companys concern for their online perception and what they do about it, and won't take my word for it, there isn't much point in arguing about it with you." - by Bruce Perens (3872)
on Friday July 30, @09:27PM (#33092398) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33092398 [slashdot.org]
Does whoever is downmodding me *THINK* they're fooling anyone here? If the above quote's NOT enough?? Here's more along those lines & from the same very respected fellow in the *NIX & Open Source world on that same account & as to "how things are done" by "BIG MONEY" to try to snow others & cover up their bullshit while they try to mess with others & from that very same exchange:
"It just takes one Ubuntu sympathizer or PR flack to minus-moderate any comment. Unfortunately, once PR agencies and so on started paying people to moderate online communities, and to have hundreds of accounts each, things changed." - by Bruce Perens (3872) on Friday July 30, @03:55PM (#33089192) Homepage Journal
FROM -> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1738364&cid=33089192 [slashdot.org]
APK
P.S.=> He's only sho