This was strong already done by a9.com and integrated with Yahoo! maps briefly. The test site is no longer live. So, no innovation on behalf of either Microsoft or Google if they start doing it now.
It looks like this is nothing to do with phishers/spammers trying to attack phish tank. It's a vigilante action against "nefarious sites", whatever the fuck those are. It explains the sudden burst in "lame server" messages I saw in my logs anyway. I hadn't realised how many people were using EasyDNS.
Hovespian gets to the meat of it in the first page: either J2EE stacks or.Net stacks. Novell has bedded down with Microsoft because the future looked rather bleak for them with Red Hat owning the Free Java space and acquiring JBoss and Novell wasting a lot of money and time on their.NET implementation. As a result Novell gets a couple of hundred million and in return Microsoft gets...
a chance to spread FUD about linux patents
Novell working for free on making Microsoft offerings run on Linux
Novell ceasing development of work on an Exchange killer
Microsoft wins, Novell execs get a bigger pot of money to pay themselves out of, so they win. Novell gets some value out of what is otherwise a dead loss (Mono) and can make a stronger case for their GNU/Linux/.NET mashup. Every other business dependent on GNU/Linux loses because Novell's engineers are wasting their time doing Microsoft's engineering development for them instead of improving Free software.
The root cause is that the GPL allows for the existence of non-free distros (Novell and RedHat are the ones I know)
Dude, Red Hat Enterprise Linux is provided as source at Red Hat's site. There is at least one large, easy to use distribution which takes those sources and rebuilds them after removing any Red Hat trademarked logos. That distribution is CentOS. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is completely free and GPL compliant. I recommend the contract-supported RHEL for customers that need that support, or need the certification on particular hardware for compliance issues and I recommend CentOS for customers that are comfortable dealing with (or paying me to deal with) a lot of extra issues.
Your statement that RHEL is non-free is thus completely false and demonstrably so.
Further RHEL, unlike SLES, is not complicated by an unclear patent-deal with Microsoft which seems to open Novell and Novell's customers to arcane legal threats due to implicit admission of the existence of infringement of Microsoft patents.
Add to this that Fedora Core is almost completely paid for by Red Hat in terms of infrastructure and developers and is also completely Free and I think that your comment if not a troll is unbelievably off-base.
The presentation of the results by Lahn are speculative, misleading and tenuous. A phylogeny shows that the likely origin of the gene can be dated to roughly within the same time that Neanderthals died out. Also the incidence of the gene appears to be higher in N.European populations than Africans. The gene is speculated to have some influence during embryonic development on the brain.
And Lahn's and CNN's troll-like conclusion is that N.Europeans got the gene from Neanderthals. Do they think they fucked them to death?
Because you want a nice, reliable web-interface for when you're somewhere without one of your own machines, but you prefer the efficiency of using Mutt when you're at the office or at home.
what you are saying is that as long as you don't sell the software, you don't have to give it away
If I'm "selling" it then I can hardly "give it away" can I? If I sell my software to Acme Corp then what I must give them is the source code. If they decide to sit on it internally then I can probably contract to develop very similar software for Blogon Corp too. This has happened and there's nothing wrong with it. Again, most software written does not fall into the commodity market that you're thinking about (where income is derived per-unit sold).
I can read about Saddam Hussein anywhere. If I exclude the politics section from my preference then I don't get to read about politics from a tech slant. I'm interested in that, not in just any old politics. Effectively Slashdot editors are polluting a useful space with inappropriate crap. I'm sure you realize that "buddy".
I suppose part of the blame for my reaction to this article is the title that Slashdot editors gave it "Marrying Gmail and Mutt" which implies complete integration, whereas the original article title is "Fetching email with Mutt" (a much more modest endeavour that is covered fairly well). However the article fails on that foot too by suggesting that there's a need to use an external fetchmail, whereas Mutt can be compiled to have POP support built in and some simple editing of.muttrc will then suffice. (That said it's probably a bit cleaner to have a separate program for downloading the mail and just to let mutt do the job it does best). http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.1 0
write gorgeous apps in C# that everyone wants, encourage competing distros to integrate those apps, then laugh as Microsoft takes out their competition in court.
And coincidentally distract developer and user attention from the steadily emerging Free Java which is swimming along nicely with the addition of SWT on to the base of GCJ with the recently merged GNU Classpath libraries.
And coincidentally helps to put extra pressure on Red Hat after their JBOSS acquisition.
I think we're looking at a convergence of multiple interests antagonistic to Red Hat here and Microsoft is going to eat up the Linux distributors one at a time. Right now Red Hat is the biggest threat and so Oracle and Microsoft want to acquire or destroy. Either will do fine.
I'll bet that on the contrary they'll be charging very little for SuSE so that they can use their considerable war-chest to undercut Red Hat just when Red Hat is poised to make a serious splash with the complete Free java-based stack in the enterprise market. That's where the money is and if Microsoft can squeeze them out now then Oracle and Microsoft can go after Sun next.
Some wild guessing: SuSE is a "European" GNU/Linux distro and MS is in trouble with EU regulators. SuSE are desperate to make up ground on Red Hat (and they've always had a slightly "compromising" attitude to the whole F/OSS insistence on not relying on proprietary bits, e.g. they've been very happy to push XGL which relies on proprietary nvidia drivers as opposed to Red Hat's AIGXL which was supported on X.org drivers, Novell also partnered with RealPlayer for proprietary codec support and kept YaST non-GPL for a very long time). So, given that Novell are not committed to F/OSS and MS wants to look less anti-F/OSS to the EU it's a perfect partnership.
Terry O'Reilly and The Age of Persuasion is an excellent radio program about advertising. O'Reilly tracks the evolution of advertising into the internet age and talks about the implicit bargain that there has always been between advertisers and audience: that the audience gets something of value in return for the message, and how this is in danger of being broken in some internet models (popups etc) and has been broken (by e.g. highway billboards which most advertising professionals loathe) in the past.
Well worth a listen, produced to a very high standard, good writing, entertaining anecdotes.
And, there are a very restricted number of video cards with good open/free drivers for them. (ATi cards with up to and including r300 have pretty good drivers (GL 1.0 is supported with the Mesa driver) and there are reports that the nouveau drivers included in FC6 are actually working now for some nVidia cards.
But in general, gaming sucks on Linux because the video card manufacturers have made it hard to get accelerated graphics working with the open standard, then on top of this is your very valid point about DirectX.
I don't think Red Hat's financial model relies much on people who used to buy a set of CDs for their home computer, and Oracle is even less interested in that market.
It's my understanding that the boxed sets were a consisent money loser for Red Hat.
Given the amount that they invest that benefits ALL distributions I'd rather see Red Hat continue to survive as a profit-making good-player in the community.
They've done a lot of good by: hiring people that hack the kernel, help to write the Free Java stuff (classpath and gcj), pretty much pay for the development of gcc (through what used to be Cygnus), have purchased and Free'ed what was Netscape Directory Server (now http://www.redhat.com/solutions/directoryserver/ Red Hat Directory Server and Fedora Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/ ) and consistently refuse to include patent-encumbered crap in their distribution.
They also provide a very visible rebuttal to anyone that says you can't make money with a Free operating-system. They show that Free Software makes good business sense and that a business can be built on providing excellent service and nurturing the rest of the community.
I think it's in everyone's interest that Red Hat stays out of the clutches of the asshats in Oracle.
What you are saying is that you *can* charge for software but your customer must also have the option to get it for free.
No. You're thinking solely about commodity software. Most code development is in-house. It is specialized. The customer pays for something unique to their requirements. They can't copy it from someone else because no one else has those requirements. Sometimes the work may be derived from a GPL-ed codebase. The customer receives the modified code, still GPL licensed. They can either use it and not bother redistributing it (a very common scenario for business competitive advantage) or else if it doesn't matter and they want to, they can redistribute it for free or for money in which case the community gets the codebase enriched and some other hacker can make money customizing it. Most stuff contracted for businesses never sees the light of day again and no one gets anything for free.
That's just Brian Reid's dubious recollection from 1979. Reid could probably be fairly classed as a mortal enemy of RMS. You should read the online (Free) book you cite instead of just copying and pasting from wikipedia. (It's funny you left out the online source http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ where your misdirection could be exposed.)
The Linux Tech Daily editorial makes good points. If fails to mention one of the startling inaccuracies in the Forbes piece: namely that they claim that RMS argues they should be giving it all away. This is one of the oldest slurs in the book (it has to be deliberate at this stage so I won't dignify it by calling it a mistake). There's nothing to stop you making money selling Free Software, you just can't stop people reading, modifying, distributing and selling the code you sold to them. They don't HAVE to do any of the above but they can if they want.
What a garbage Forbes article. It reads like a piece written for a red-top tabloid.
As regards the characterization of RMS as "extremist", I agree with him and thus see him as reasonable and everyone else as clinging onto their own unreasonable extremism, especially those people that run around trying to convert people to being a Moderate.
He's either right or wrong. Stop putting silly monkey labels on people and deal with the issues: does the ability of manufacturers to sell hardware with non-modifiable (GPL'ed) software on them defeat the intention of the GPL? If so then if you don't like GPL3 how do you propose to stop this? If you don't object then why are you using Free or OpenSource software at all? Go use VxWorks, QNX or WinCE.
I wrote: The Democrats have the clearest possible record of voting (with a couple, and I mean two or three)
I meant: The Democrats have the clearest possible record of voting (with a couple of exceptions, and I mean two or three)
Speaking as a fat, techie douchebag I'm interested in who you suggest I vote FOR? This leads on to the question as to what exactly we're all supposed to be sorry about?.
Because if your answer is that I should vote for one of the Democrats and the reason is supposed to be that they'll stop invading and occupying other countries and stop spying on us then I call bullshit.
The Democrats have the clearest possible record of voting (with a couple, and I mean two or three) for and proposing and crafting the exact same war-mongering, state-enabling, anti-citizen, freedom-curtailing measures that the Republicans do.
I'll lay odds that you're going to deny this vigorously and come out with some Lesser Evilism hypothesis, possibly even citing Chomsky's support of the war-criminal John Kerry during the last presidential elections.
So don't bother. I've heard it before and it doesn't convince me. The Democrats are every fucking bit as bad as the Republicans http://www.counterpunch.org/frank10232006.html and the only way to change this country is to vote for actual, committed anti-war candidates and people that are serious about environmental rectitude.
For everyone out there spluttering and sneering I issue the following challenge:
1. Draw up a minimal, simple list of say 4 or 5 policies you feel are essential for national well-being 2. Stick it up on the corkboard in your cubicle 3. Try to find a candidate that promises that s/he'll work to make them happen (and give you a blowjob) 4. Sit back and watch their voting record over the next term. 5. if slow witted {repeat steps 1 - 4 for several elections} else break; 6. Wake up and realize that this system isn't designed with you in mind.
Agree completely. In fact I'd see that post as the kind of thing that makes sites like indymedia unreadable and ushers in the necessity for editorial controls of the type that Jay talks about. Some indymedia stuff is good, but it's swamped with crap spewed out to every available blog, webpage, indymedia by cult-like promoters of "the cause" (no matter what the cause is).
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This is what it used to look like. It was pretty awesome.
This was strong already done by a9.com and integrated with Yahoo! maps briefly. The test site is no longer live. So, no innovation on behalf of either Microsoft or Google if they start doing it now.
It looks like this is nothing to do with phishers/spammers trying to attack phish tank. It's a vigilante action against "nefarious sites", whatever the fuck those are. It explains the sudden burst in "lame server" messages I saw in my logs anyway. I hadn't realised how many people were using EasyDNS.
Hovespian gets to the meat of it in the first page: either J2EE stacks or .Net stacks. Novell has bedded down with Microsoft because the future looked rather bleak for them with Red Hat owning the Free Java space and acquiring JBoss and Novell wasting a lot of money and time on their .NET implementation. As a result Novell gets a couple of hundred million and in return Microsoft gets ...
Microsoft wins, Novell execs get a bigger pot of money to pay themselves out of, so they win. Novell gets some value out of what is otherwise a dead loss (Mono) and can make a stronger case for their GNU/Linux/.NET mashup. Every other business dependent on GNU/Linux loses because Novell's engineers are wasting their time doing Microsoft's engineering development for them instead of improving Free software.
The root cause is that the GPL allows for the existence of non-free distros (Novell and RedHat are the ones I know)
Dude, Red Hat Enterprise Linux is provided as source at Red Hat's site. There is at least one large, easy to use distribution which takes those sources and rebuilds them after removing any Red Hat trademarked logos. That distribution is CentOS. Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is completely free and GPL compliant. I recommend the contract-supported RHEL for customers that need that support, or need the certification on particular hardware for compliance issues and I recommend CentOS for customers that are comfortable dealing with (or paying me to deal with) a lot of extra issues.
Your statement that RHEL is non-free is thus completely false and demonstrably so.
Further RHEL, unlike SLES, is not complicated by an unclear patent-deal with Microsoft which seems to open Novell and Novell's customers to arcane legal threats due to implicit admission of the existence of infringement of Microsoft patents.
Add to this that Fedora Core is almost completely paid for by Red Hat in terms of infrastructure and developers and is also completely Free and I think that your comment if not a troll is unbelievably off-base.
The presentation of the results by Lahn are speculative, misleading and tenuous. A phylogeny shows that the likely origin of the gene can be dated to roughly within the same time that Neanderthals died out. Also the incidence of the gene appears to be higher in N.European populations than Africans. The gene is speculated to have some influence during embryonic development on the brain.
And Lahn's and CNN's troll-like conclusion is that N.Europeans got the gene from Neanderthals. Do they think they fucked them to death?
Because you want a nice, reliable web-interface for when you're somewhere without one of your own machines, but you prefer the efficiency of using Mutt when you're at the office or at home.
what you are saying is that as long as you don't sell the software, you don't have to give it away If I'm "selling" it then I can hardly "give it away" can I? If I sell my software to Acme Corp then what I must give them is the source code. If they decide to sit on it internally then I can probably contract to develop very similar software for Blogon Corp too. This has happened and there's nothing wrong with it. Again, most software written does not fall into the commodity market that you're thinking about (where income is derived per-unit sold).
I can read about Saddam Hussein anywhere. If I exclude the politics section from my preference then I don't get to read about politics from a tech slant. I'm interested in that, not in just any old politics. Effectively Slashdot editors are polluting a useful space with inappropriate crap. I'm sure you realize that "buddy".
I suppose part of the blame for my reaction to this article is the title that Slashdot editors gave it "Marrying Gmail and Mutt" which implies complete integration, whereas the original article title is "Fetching email with Mutt" (a much more modest endeavour that is covered fairly well). However the article fails on that foot too by suggesting that there's a need to use an external fetchmail, whereas Mutt can be compiled to have POP support built in and some simple editing of .muttrc will then suffice. (That said it's probably a bit cleaner to have a separate program for downloading the mail and just to let mutt do the job it does best). http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-4.html#ss4.1 0
Is this to do with science, technology, or anything like that? I'm all for politics etc but this is WAY OFF TOPIC for Slashdot.
Here's the Press Release So, common document format, virtualization, and immunity from patent attacks.
write gorgeous apps in C# that everyone wants, encourage competing distros to integrate those apps, then laugh as Microsoft takes out their competition in court. And coincidentally distract developer and user attention from the steadily emerging Free Java which is swimming along nicely with the addition of SWT on to the base of GCJ with the recently merged GNU Classpath libraries. And coincidentally helps to put extra pressure on Red Hat after their JBOSS acquisition. I think we're looking at a convergence of multiple interests antagonistic to Red Hat here and Microsoft is going to eat up the Linux distributors one at a time. Right now Red Hat is the biggest threat and so Oracle and Microsoft want to acquire or destroy. Either will do fine.
I'll bet that on the contrary they'll be charging very little for SuSE so that they can use their considerable war-chest to undercut Red Hat just when Red Hat is poised to make a serious splash with the complete Free java-based stack in the enterprise market. That's where the money is and if Microsoft can squeeze them out now then Oracle and Microsoft can go after Sun next.
Some wild guessing: SuSE is a "European" GNU/Linux distro and MS is in trouble with EU regulators. SuSE are desperate to make up ground on Red Hat (and they've always had a slightly "compromising" attitude to the whole F/OSS insistence on not relying on proprietary bits, e.g. they've been very happy to push XGL which relies on proprietary nvidia drivers as opposed to Red Hat's AIGXL which was supported on X.org drivers, Novell also partnered with RealPlayer for proprietary codec support and kept YaST non-GPL for a very long time). So, given that Novell are not committed to F/OSS and MS wants to look less anti-F/OSS to the EU it's a perfect partnership.
Terry O'Reilly and The Age of Persuasion is an excellent radio program about advertising. O'Reilly tracks the evolution of advertising into the internet age and talks about the implicit bargain that there has always been between advertisers and audience: that the audience gets something of value in return for the message, and how this is in danger of being broken in some internet models (popups etc) and has been broken (by e.g. highway billboards which most advertising professionals loathe) in the past.
Well worth a listen, produced to a very high standard, good writing, entertaining anecdotes.
Yes, I forgot about http://www.intellinuxgraphics.com/index.html but you're right, this is a very important move.
And, there are a very restricted number of video cards with good open/free drivers for them. (ATi cards with up to and including r300 have pretty good drivers (GL 1.0 is supported with the Mesa driver) and there are reports that the nouveau drivers included in FC6 are actually working now for some nVidia cards.
But in general, gaming sucks on Linux because the video card manufacturers have made it hard to get accelerated graphics working with the open standard, then on top of this is your very valid point about DirectX.
I don't think Red Hat's financial model relies much on people who used to buy a set of CDs for their home computer, and Oracle is even less interested in that market.
It's my understanding that the boxed sets were a consisent money loser for Red Hat.
Given the amount that they invest that benefits ALL distributions I'd rather see Red Hat continue to survive as a profit-making good-player in the community.
They've done a lot of good by: hiring people that hack the kernel, help to write the Free Java stuff (classpath and gcj), pretty much pay for the development of gcc (through what used to be Cygnus), have purchased and Free'ed what was Netscape Directory Server (now http://www.redhat.com/solutions/directoryserver/ Red Hat Directory Server and Fedora Directory Server http://directory.fedora.redhat.com/ ) and consistently refuse to include patent-encumbered crap in their distribution.
They also provide a very visible rebuttal to anyone that says you can't make money with a Free operating-system. They show that Free Software makes good business sense and that a business can be built on providing excellent service and nurturing the rest of the community.
I think it's in everyone's interest that Red Hat stays out of the clutches of the asshats in Oracle.
What you are saying is that you *can* charge for software but your customer must also have the option to get it for free.
No. You're thinking solely about commodity software. Most code development is in-house. It is specialized. The customer pays for something unique to their requirements. They can't copy it from someone else because no one else has those requirements. Sometimes the work may be derived from a GPL-ed codebase. The customer receives the modified code, still GPL licensed. They can either use it and not bother redistributing it (a very common scenario for business competitive advantage) or else if it doesn't matter and they want to, they can redistribute it for free or for money in which case the community gets the codebase enriched and some other hacker can make money customizing it. Most stuff contracted for businesses never sees the light of day again and no one gets anything for free.
That's just Brian Reid's dubious recollection from 1979. Reid could probably be fairly classed as a mortal enemy of RMS. You should read the online (Free) book you cite instead of just copying and pasting from wikipedia. (It's funny you left out the online source http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ where your misdirection could be exposed.)
The Linux Tech Daily editorial makes good points. If fails to mention one of the startling inaccuracies in the Forbes piece: namely that they claim that RMS argues they should be giving it all away. This is one of the oldest slurs in the book (it has to be deliberate at this stage so I won't dignify it by calling it a mistake). There's nothing to stop you making money selling Free Software, you just can't stop people reading, modifying, distributing and selling the code you sold to them. They don't HAVE to do any of the above but they can if they want.
What a garbage Forbes article. It reads like a piece written for a red-top tabloid.
As regards the characterization of RMS as "extremist", I agree with him and thus see him as reasonable and everyone else as clinging onto their own unreasonable extremism, especially those people that run around trying to convert people to being a Moderate.
He's either right or wrong. Stop putting silly monkey labels on people and deal with the issues: does the ability of manufacturers to sell hardware with non-modifiable (GPL'ed) software on them defeat the intention of the GPL? If so then if you don't like GPL3 how do you propose to stop this? If you don't object then why are you using Free or OpenSource software at all? Go use VxWorks, QNX or WinCE.
I wrote: The Democrats have the clearest possible record of voting (with a couple, and I mean two or three)
I meant: The Democrats have the clearest possible record of voting (with a couple of exceptions, and I mean two or three)
Speaking as a fat, techie douchebag I'm interested in who you suggest I vote FOR? This leads on to the question as to what exactly we're all supposed to be sorry about?.
Because if your answer is that I should vote for one of the Democrats and the reason is supposed to be that they'll stop invading and occupying other countries and stop spying on us then I call bullshit.
The Democrats have the clearest possible record of voting (with a couple, and I mean two or three) for and proposing and crafting the exact same war-mongering, state-enabling, anti-citizen, freedom-curtailing measures that the Republicans do.
I'll lay odds that you're going to deny this vigorously and come out with some Lesser Evilism hypothesis, possibly even citing Chomsky's support of the war-criminal John Kerry during the last presidential elections.
So don't bother. I've heard it before and it doesn't convince me. The Democrats are every fucking bit as bad as the Republicans http://www.counterpunch.org/frank10232006.html and the only way to change this country is to vote for actual, committed anti-war candidates and people that are serious about environmental rectitude.
For everyone out there spluttering and sneering I issue the following challenge:
Agree completely. In fact I'd see that post as the kind of thing that makes sites like indymedia unreadable and ushers in the necessity for editorial controls of the type that Jay talks about. Some indymedia stuff is good, but it's swamped with crap spewed out to every available blog, webpage, indymedia by cult-like promoters of "the cause" (no matter what the cause is).