That's funny, I hardly think everyone here are morons or idiots, in fact I generally enjoy the discussions and opinions of a great many/.-ers -- though usually those who have been around for a while...
I do obviously agree with you about you probably being an idiot and a moron (but that is by your own admission:) ) and in regards to my continuing to illuminate you, as they say, when you want something done, give it to a busy person -- I will always have time to stand behind my opinions.
However, in the spirit of 'fraternity' I hereby declare an end to my side of the battle. I thank you in all sincerity for playing along on this lovely sunday afternoon, and wish you the best...I do enjoy the occasional back and forth, eh Governor?
Oh, AC you slay me...Your razor-sharp wit and second-grade intellect truly has put me in my place. I bow to you "Anonymous Coward". I fear your 'delete skillz' and your raging latent homosexuality disguised as homophobia.
As to the 'real world' nonsense, sadly, I am busy with a real life, raising children, paying bills, etc..., or I'd trek out to Wisconsin, pull you away from your busy schedule tipping cows, and felating chickens in between stints at the Circle K and actually have a sensible dialog with you...
If you interpreted my 'rant' as being against AC's then you are truly an idiot...I take offense to those who hide behind anonymity while spouting off rude and offensive epithets. Such remarks made in person would recieve a swift kick in the teeth. If you really believe in the value of bigoted foolish remarks and want to defend them, be my guest, however, I notice you don't have the 'balls' to even do so with a user name...no matter how unaccountable it may be, posting under a registered account at least shows that your avatar stands behind your remarks.
Additionally, I don't think I am a better person than the average sensible guy, however, I definitely think I am a better person than any homophobic/racist/sexist idiot and would gladly kick the shite out of, I mean enlighten, those lesser folk. Does that make me self-rightous... hell yeah! Does that make me an 'Apple apologist'? Whatever...
Don't waste your time defending idiots. Unless you are one of those idiots as well.
In the SPIRIT of expressing WORTHLESS PERSONAL OPINION, I have to say THAT.mac has BEEN incredibly USEFUL TO me over THE LAST year. I have NO INTEREST in rehashing ITS strong points, other THAN to SAY that all of the services (MAIL, drag and DROP WEBSITE hosting via iDISK, Address BOOK/calendar/BOOKMARK SYNCING, remote BACK-UP) have WORKED for me FLAWLESSLY.
AND the LONGEST I ever licked SJ's BUTT was for about three minutes...
make me embarassed to be a heterosexual. Go back to jerking off in your parents basement to pictures of girls you'll never have the fortune to be spit upon by...Bitch.
While I do not pretend to know the intimacy between Pei Wei and the Eolas group, I think you are misinterpreting the nature of prior art in the sense that the ideas that the Eolas group patented were obviously out in the open, and evinced by P.W.'s presentation of 'Viola', clearly not kept amongst the department that would later claim 'ownership' of said idea. I think Eolas' desire to 'tax' the public in such a way is more akin to SCO attempting to 'tax' the Linux community, and more importantly, the time-lapse between raising this question of infringment would seem to indicate an intentional attempt to entrap what is essentially a public property.
Did I mention that Launchbar is the greatest productivity enhancer...I couldn't live without it.
Single-handedly speeds up your OS X computing experience tenfold...which can come in handy for those who feel OS X is ten times slower;0> 'ba-bum-bum...thank you very much...I'll be here all week...'
"How long until we see a movie done like this?"...
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After being '/.ed' I think it will be quite a long time til' we see a movie done like this.
I cannot help but be 'pointed' in my response to your mindless comment...By your logic, poor people should be allowed to rob banks and shoplift because they need it more than rich people? This is not a case of accidental infringment. This is someone who knowingly aquired and distributed illegal goods.
Additionally, you state "They (the artists I assume) need to make a product that the public wants to buy instead of using litigation to attempt to make an income."...This is so wrong-headed and oft-repeated around here...They do produce something that the public wants -- what do you think this girl had on her computer -- music that she wanted. She simply didn't want to pay for that which she wanted to possess...regardless of whether she could afford it or not. This is not a case of the RIAA acting like SCO. While I do not agree with how the laws are set up presently, I do believe in respecting them until they are properly changed. I think anarchy is a short-sighted solution.
Rather, what is the solution that could satisfy both the content creators and the content consumers?
I often hear the argument that you can legally record music off the radio, so therefore downloading MP3's should be legal too. Additionally, it is argued that exposure to music is beneficial to the artist themselves, however, if you download a high quality track, what is the motivator to ever purchase that music legally?
My proposal is to make low-bitrate audio files legally tradeable. I know that I would rather have a 128+ quality file for my library, and if the limit were 96kbs, I could listen and freely trade that lower quality file. It is a win/win situation. I am able to share/distribute/expose music I like in a format similar in quality to radio recordings, and have an upgrade path for the music that I actually enjoy and want to own.
In the interest of historical preservation, I am revisiting this tired thread in the hopes of leaving it on a constructive note. My initial attempt at comunicating this point was somewhat missinterpreted...
"Bleed those artsy-fartsy halfwits dry"
This mild barb instigated a mild reply...
I was then asked "if I was happy now?"
I then replied, stating my case for tolerance (not in comparison to racism or sexism, but rather in the spirit of brotherhood and egalitarianism)
I was then accused of being an elitist, of claiming discrimination, etc...
I have no problem being part of a minority...I have no problem with other people not liking my choice of platform...my problem is with those who feel compelled to go beyond mere opinion-sharing to outright rude and unwarranted vitriol...
For once and for all, I do not feel like a 'rebel' for using a mac. I don't need anyone else to think of me as 'different'. I don't buy macs as an expression of my wealth, and I am not 'gay' (not that there is anything wrong with that:))
Again I make a heartfelt plea in the spirit of reconcillitation...
"I am a computer nerd. Regardless of platform, OS, hardware, or IDE, my hope is that we all can appreciate each other for our shared interest and not divide ourselves because of our brand-awareness."
Look AC-Bitch, I could give less than two shits what anyone here thinks about anything I do. Don't dream for a minute that your worthless opinion is important anywhere outside your dorm room. When you get a set of balls and have the guts to post your meaningless crap as a non-AC, then I'll even give your views an ounce of respect...and I mean that...If you have it in you to stand behind your words instead of the mask of anonymity, I would take your advice to "Please. Go away. Just go the F away." The fact is, I think more people here would rather you "Fuck off" and make this place a somewhat more civil place, than me "Fuck off" and make room for the likes of you...
No, I don't really feel better...I can't express the depths of my dislike for those who feel the need to endlessly disparage my choice of computing platform...
This is a heartfelt plea...I have dealt with morons like the parent poster for over a decade. It never ends. I don't know what drives these people(or is it you?) to perpetually carp on about us 'Mac-Heads'...I have never gone out of my way to insult linux-users or Windows-users and have only done so sparingly, in response to trolls. How insecure is the rest of the computing population that they feel compelled to ridicule people who choose to use a Mac -- insulting them at every turn, and then accusing them of being elitist or some other B.S.
I use a Mac because I get my work done -- regardless of what it cost me...and that is my choice -- and a good one that has clothed, fed, and housed my family for many years in the past, and many years to come.
What part of the fabric of society has frayed to the point that abuse of a minority is fashionable...Grow up, back off, and let's just try to get along somewhere in the middle.
Hah, hah...Again, a "/."-er's biting wit and insight sets me straight...Cutting so close to the bone...Ouch!
Is it 'earning' if I had to kill the person I inherited my treasure chest of gold from? What if I slept with that leprechan that I met at the end of the rainbow -- if I got paid by him that doesn't make me gay, right?
I just figured you'd have some experience 'earning' your money that way and all...Come to think of it, I bet your idea of work is pumping your parents for more allowance.
When you have to ask your parents to buy you a computer, of course you need to dupe them into buying you a dual-xeon/P4/Opteron/with a 256 MB NVidia graphics card 'so you can do your homework (wink, wink)'
I know how hard it can be to actually write a term paper, or do some lab reports, or research on the web with only a lowly dual-gig G4. Sure it can play Quake 3 or UT, but can it play the next 'big game'?...er...I mean can I do my homework on it?(I think my mommy is starting to read/.)
"If I had an Intel/AMD box, I'd be more locked into a platform than with my Mac.
--Not if you have a G5, which can't run VirtualPC. "
>>yet
"In fact, Virtual PC allows me to run multiple x86 operating systems (say, Win '98, Win XP, OpenStep, and QNX) simultaneously with each other, too.
Of course, there's no guarantee that it will stay that way, as VirtualPC is owned by Microsoft. "
>> I see you have the magic 8-ball
"I can run Windows apps on my Mac, but you can't run Mac apps on your PC.
The Mac applications that I want to run are also available for PC."
>>And vice-versa...I don't see your point...Are you a fan of MS(totally acceptable, BTW)? And in that case, is your beef with Apple based purely on price points rather than it's 'propreitary-ness'.
I am loathe to make a car comparison yet again, however I never hear people complaining about how an expensive car is a bad choice seeing as we all are supposed to obey the speed limit. Sure we can all drive Kias, but we don't all want to. Why does extra money spent on a computer have to be taken out of context as more than choosing a car with leather and a Navigation system. I don't see how MS is any less propreitary than Apple. I think you are really just a PC gamer(Totally acceptable, BTW) who like many of your brethren are perpetually unable to differentiate computer use as a tool and computer use as a toy.
Seems rather backwards to go to the trouble of all this sensor/ID crap in order to get people to drive slower -- why not just stop manufacturing cars that go FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT!
I don't agree with the ideas behind these potential laws mind you...However I have always wondered why we manufacture cars that can go over the maximum speed limit -- where can you drive over 75MPH (besides the autobahn, and besides, what justification is that for other countries?) legally?
What kind of argument is that? It cost tens of millions of dollars to develop the 'content' that is the car that you would be so willing to 'copy freely.'
If you could copy it, you would be depriving the developers their revenue to reimburse themselves so that they might actually be able to continue to develop newer better technologies...
By your reasoning, you'd rather have the car industry cease to develop new vehicles once you have made off with the goods(Let's leave aside the fact that car companies SUCK:))
Cars are complex systems. I think if you were to be more honest, you would acknowledge that other copyrightable content is complex as well. A movie is the collective work of thousands of hard working talented people who deserve to be compensated, and choose to have the large corp.'s serve as the middle man to assure that they get paid(Pimps anyone?) Remove the middle man if you want, but rest assured that the hookers will just start to get ripped off by the Johns and beaten up more frequently.
Same thing goes for music and to some degree literature.
"Intellectual Property", as you derisively quoted it, is only neither to those lacking either. When you have created something more meaningful than an 'asteroids' clone, a bad song, or a DV home movie, you will quickly find I.P. to be of some value.
I think that no doubt, debacles such as the SCO nonsense really do cloud our ability to rationally debate the merits of I.P., however, just because a few bad apples abuse the I.P. system doesn't mean that the system is worthless. It just means we need boycott those things we find offensive -- and that means not downloading and enjoying music created by the system that you despise. It is a cop out to have your cake and eat it too -- in this case...
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That's funny, I hardly think everyone here are morons or idiots, in fact I generally enjoy the discussions and opinions of a great many /.-ers -- though usually those who have been around for a while...
:) ) and in regards to my continuing to illuminate you, as they say, when you want something done, give it to a busy person -- I will always have time to stand behind my opinions.
I do obviously agree with you about you probably being an idiot and a moron (but that is by your own admission
However, in the spirit of 'fraternity' I hereby declare an end to my side of the battle. I thank you in all sincerity for playing along on this lovely sunday afternoon, and wish you the best...I do enjoy the occasional back and forth, eh Governor?
Oh, AC you slay me...Your razor-sharp wit and second-grade intellect truly has put me in my place. I bow to you "Anonymous Coward". I fear your 'delete skillz' and your raging latent homosexuality disguised as homophobia.
As to the 'real world' nonsense, sadly, I am busy with a real life, raising children, paying bills, etc..., or I'd trek out to Wisconsin, pull you away from your busy schedule tipping cows, and felating chickens in between stints at the Circle K and actually have a sensible dialog with you...
Ahem...
If you interpreted my 'rant' as being against AC's then you are truly an idiot...I take offense to those who hide behind anonymity while spouting off rude and offensive epithets. Such remarks made in person would recieve a swift kick in the teeth. If you really believe in the value of bigoted foolish remarks and want to defend them, be my guest, however, I notice you don't have the 'balls' to even do so with a user name...no matter how unaccountable it may be, posting under a registered account at least shows that your avatar stands behind your remarks.
Additionally, I don't think I am a better person than the average sensible guy, however, I definitely think I am a better person than any homophobic/racist/sexist idiot and would gladly kick the shite out of, I mean enlighten, those lesser folk. Does that make me self-rightous... hell yeah! Does that make me an 'Apple apologist'? Whatever...
Don't waste your time defending idiots. Unless you are one of those idiots as well.
In the SPIRIT of expressing WORTHLESS PERSONAL OPINION, I have to say THAT .mac has BEEN incredibly USEFUL TO me over THE LAST year. I have NO INTEREST in rehashing ITS strong points, other THAN to SAY that all of the services (MAIL, drag and DROP WEBSITE hosting via iDISK, Address BOOK/calendar/BOOKMARK SYNCING, remote BACK-UP) have WORKED for me FLAWLESSLY.
AND the LONGEST I ever licked SJ's BUTT was for about three minutes...
make me embarassed to be a heterosexual. Go back to jerking off in your parents basement to pictures of girls you'll never have the fortune to be spit upon by...Bitch.
While I do not pretend to know the intimacy between Pei Wei and the Eolas group, I think you are misinterpreting the nature of prior art in the sense that the ideas that the Eolas group patented were obviously out in the open, and evinced by P.W.'s presentation of 'Viola', clearly not kept amongst the department that would later claim 'ownership' of said idea. I think Eolas' desire to 'tax' the public in such a way is more akin to SCO attempting to 'tax' the Linux community, and more importantly, the time-lapse between raising this question of infringment would seem to indicate an intentional attempt to entrap what is essentially a public property.
But hey, I'm just #193799...
Did I mention that Launchbar is the greatest productivity enhancer...I couldn't live without it.
;0> 'ba-bum-bum...thank you very much...I'll be here all week...'
Single-handedly speeds up your OS X computing experience tenfold...which can come in handy for those who feel OS X is ten times slower
After being '/.ed' I think it will be quite a long time til' we see a movie done like this.
I cannot help but be 'pointed' in my response to your mindless comment...By your logic, poor people should be allowed to rob banks and shoplift because they need it more than rich people? This is not a case of accidental infringment. This is someone who knowingly aquired and distributed illegal goods.
Additionally, you state "They (the artists I assume) need to make a product that the public wants to buy instead of using litigation to attempt to make an income."...This is so wrong-headed and oft-repeated around here...They do produce something that the public wants -- what do you think this girl had on her computer -- music that she wanted. She simply didn't want to pay for that which she wanted to possess...regardless of whether she could afford it or not. This is not a case of the RIAA acting like SCO. While I do not agree with how the laws are set up presently, I do believe in respecting them until they are properly changed. I think anarchy is a short-sighted solution.
My question is "is there a middle ground?"
Rather, what is the solution that could satisfy both the content creators and the content consumers?
I often hear the argument that you can legally record music off the radio, so therefore downloading MP3's should be legal too. Additionally, it is argued that exposure to music is beneficial to the artist themselves, however, if you download a high quality track, what is the motivator to ever purchase that music legally?
My proposal is to make low-bitrate audio files legally tradeable. I know that I would rather have a 128+ quality file for my library, and if the limit were 96kbs, I could listen and freely trade that lower quality file.
It is a win/win situation. I am able to share/distribute/expose music I like in a format similar in quality to radio recordings, and have an upgrade path for the music that I actually enjoy and want to own.
But I don't, of course, ALWAYS:
Jaywalk.
Creep one mile per hour over the speed limit.
Ignore a stop sign when you could see that it was clear for half a mile either way.
Run my tires 1mm under the tread limit.
Had consensual sex with a 17 year old
etc...
I think the real point is that gross abuse of the concept of 'fair use' is what is rightfully getting people in trouble.
In the interest of historical preservation,
:))
I am revisiting this tired thread in the hopes of leaving it on a constructive note. My initial attempt at comunicating this point was somewhat missinterpreted...
"Bleed those artsy-fartsy halfwits dry"
This mild barb instigated a mild reply...
I was then asked "if I was happy now?"
I then replied, stating my case for tolerance (not in comparison to racism or sexism, but rather in the spirit of brotherhood and egalitarianism)
I was then accused of being an elitist, of claiming discrimination, etc...
I have no problem being part of a minority...I have no problem with other people not liking my choice of platform...my problem is with those who feel compelled to go beyond mere opinion-sharing to outright rude and unwarranted vitriol...
For once and for all, I do not feel like a 'rebel' for using a mac. I don't need anyone else to think of me as 'different'. I don't buy macs as an expression of my wealth, and I am not 'gay' (not that there is anything wrong with that
Again I make a heartfelt plea in the spirit of reconcillitation...
"I am a computer nerd. Regardless of platform, OS, hardware, or IDE, my hope is that we all can appreciate each other for our shared interest and not divide ourselves because of our brand-awareness."
Thanks for reading...
Look AC-Bitch, I could give less than two shits what anyone here thinks about anything I do. Don't dream for a minute that your worthless opinion is important anywhere outside your dorm room. When you get a set of balls and have the guts to post your meaningless crap as a non-AC, then I'll even give your views an ounce of respect...and I mean that...If you have it in you to stand behind your words instead of the mask of anonymity, I would take your advice to "Please. Go away. Just go the F away." The fact is, I think more people here would rather you "Fuck off" and make this place a somewhat more civil place, than me "Fuck off" and make room for the likes of you...
I fart in your general direction
'Do you feel better now'
No, I don't really feel better...I can't express the depths of my dislike for those who feel the need to endlessly disparage my choice of computing platform...
This is a heartfelt plea...I have dealt with morons like the parent poster for over a decade. It never ends. I don't know what drives these people(or is it you?) to perpetually carp on about us 'Mac-Heads'...I have never gone out of my way to insult linux-users or Windows-users and have only done so sparingly, in response to trolls. How insecure is the rest of the computing population that they feel compelled to ridicule people who choose to use a Mac -- insulting them at every turn, and then accusing them of being elitist or some other B.S.
I use a Mac because I get my work done -- regardless of what it cost me...and that is my choice -- and a good one that has clothed, fed, and housed my family for many years in the past, and many years to come.
What part of the fabric of society has frayed to the point that abuse of a minority is fashionable...Grow up, back off, and let's just try to get along somewhere in the middle.
Thank you for listening...
Hah, hah...Again, a "/."-er's biting wit and insight sets me straight...Cutting so close to the bone...Ouch!
Is it 'earning' if I had to kill the person I inherited my treasure chest of gold from? What if I slept with that leprechan that I met at the end of the rainbow -- if I got paid by him that doesn't make me gay, right?
I just figured you'd have some experience 'earning' your money that way and all...Come to think of it, I bet your idea of work is pumping your parents for more allowance.
Okay, okay...Move along...nothing to read here...
Hah, hah...'artsy-fartsy halfwits'...You kids today...
I think your pointed barb is so half-witty...In fact, I think your post should be moded 'Score:6, So-Funny-I-Forgot-How-To-Spell-Defies'...
I have never heard of it...'google.com?'
Sounds made up to me...
I guess I have to scrap my 'Europe-during-the-black-plague-simulator."
I never thought the mac-madlib-trollbot-AC post had the power to do more than infuriate...
I stand corrected.
Bravo.
...to get the Opteron to run OS X? One or two-hundred bucks?
;)
I'll have to look into that
The job-free, college-dorm, PC Gamers of course :)
/.)
When you have to ask your parents to buy you a computer, of course you need to dupe them into buying you a dual-xeon/P4/Opteron/with a 256 MB NVidia graphics card 'so you can do your homework (wink, wink)'
I know how hard it can be to actually write a term paper, or do some lab reports, or research on the web with only a lowly dual-gig G4. Sure it can play Quake 3 or UT, but can it play the next 'big game'?...er...I mean can I do my homework on it?(I think my mommy is starting to read
I'm confused...
"If I had an Intel/AMD box, I'd be more locked into a platform than with my Mac.
--Not if you have a G5, which can't run VirtualPC. "
>>yet
"In fact, Virtual PC allows me to run multiple x86 operating systems (say, Win '98, Win XP, OpenStep, and QNX) simultaneously with each other, too.
Of course, there's no guarantee that it will stay that way, as VirtualPC is owned by Microsoft. "
>> I see you have the magic 8-ball
"I can run Windows apps on my Mac, but you can't run Mac apps on your PC.
The Mac applications that I want to run are also available for PC."
>>And vice-versa...I don't see your point...Are you a fan of MS(totally acceptable, BTW)? And in that case, is your beef with Apple based purely on price points rather than it's 'propreitary-ness'.
I am loathe to make a car comparison yet again, however I never hear people complaining about how an expensive car is a bad choice seeing as we all are supposed to obey the speed limit. Sure we can all drive Kias, but we don't all want to. Why does extra money spent on a computer have to be taken out of context as more than choosing a car with leather and a Navigation system. I don't see how MS is any less propreitary than Apple. I think you are really just a PC gamer(Totally acceptable, BTW) who like many of your brethren are perpetually unable to differentiate computer use as a tool and computer use as a toy.
Seems rather backwards to go to the trouble of all this sensor/ID crap in order to get people to drive slower -- why not just stop manufacturing cars that go FASTER THAN THE SPEED LIMIT!
I don't agree with the ideas behind these potential laws mind you...However I have always wondered why we manufacture cars that can go over the maximum speed limit -- where can you drive over 75MPH (besides the autobahn, and besides, what justification is that for other countries?) legally?
What kind of argument is that? It cost tens of millions of dollars to develop the 'content' that is the car that you would be so willing to 'copy freely.'
:))
If you could copy it, you would be depriving the developers their revenue to reimburse themselves so that they might actually be able to continue to develop newer better technologies...
By your reasoning, you'd rather have the car industry cease to develop new vehicles once you have made off with the goods(Let's leave aside the fact that car companies SUCK
Cars are complex systems. I think if you were to be more honest, you would acknowledge that other copyrightable content is complex as well. A movie is the collective work of thousands of hard working talented people who deserve to be compensated, and choose to have the large corp.'s serve as the middle man to assure that they get paid(Pimps anyone?) Remove the middle man if you want, but rest assured that the hookers will just start to get ripped off by the Johns and beaten up more frequently.
Same thing goes for music and to some degree literature.
"Intellectual Property", as you derisively quoted it, is only neither to those lacking either. When you have created something more meaningful than an 'asteroids' clone, a bad song, or a DV home movie, you will quickly find I.P. to be of some value.
I think that no doubt, debacles such as the SCO nonsense really do cloud our ability to rationally debate the merits of I.P., however, just because a few bad apples abuse the I.P. system doesn't mean that the system is worthless. It just means we need boycott those things we find offensive -- and that means not downloading and enjoying music created by the system that you despise. It is a cop out to have your cake and eat it too -- in this case...
Well put.