My point wasn't that used cars are just as expensive and new cars. I agree with you completely that they are not. I just don't think your $300/year for a 10 year old car is terribly accurate or representative of the whole picture.
You are free to think what you wish. However, for my car, from years 6-10, it cost approximately $300/yr to maintain. Years 1-3 are not included because I did not own the car, and years 4-5 are not included since they had warranty coverage.
Yes, I do quite a bit of work myself. I rather enjoy it, and because I have some basic grasp of what I am doing it does not take very long. I do not spend time to scavenge junkyards -- there is this neat thing called the internet, and you can find damn near anything and even comparison shop for better pricing. I value my time significantly higher than $0 -- in fact, my ROI is very high.
Back to your dispute of my $300/yr number, I'll spot you 400%. Even if I was spending $1200/year on maintenance, it would be far better than buying a new car.
One other point -- I never stated buying a cheap car for $2000. Buy a good car that is 2-3 years old. It isn't hard to find good deals on "certified" used cars that often come with the remaining factory warranty or have an extended warranty option that comes fairly inexpensively. Pay off the used car as quickly as possible and drive it for many years without a payment.
Last two years on my 10 year old car I fixed an oil leak, had the brakes done, replaced 2 tires and rims, and replaced the battery, along with regular oil changes etc. Not bad for a car that old, but not great.
So are you suggesting that a new car payment is cheaper than routine maintenance, which all cars need by the way, or even non-routine maintenance? Brakes, tires, and batteries are all normal wear items, and replacing all of them at once is only a couple of new car payments. Rims are not wear items, so you can't blame the age of your car for hitting a curb. Even the newest car is going to require oil changes.
But in addition to that, over the last few years on my 10 year old car, the sunroof switch broke off but could still be operated, then the actual sunroof retraction mechanism broke. The manual trunk release at the rear of the car broke (but the electric release in the glove box still works), the rear door speaker cover broke, a piece of plastic trim on the door fell off, the radio no longer turns off automatically when the car is turned off, the alarm goes off occasionally when I open the trunk. One wheel still has a slow air leak. And its got another small oil leak.
If you neglect making small repairs all cars will turn into a piece of shit. The air leak should have nothing to do with your car's age. Outside of the oil leak, you should be able to take care of any of these rather quickly yourself for minimal cost. Possibly the oil leak too.
Unless your old car is costing you a new car payment worth of repairs each and every month, any argument based on cost fails simple math. If you want a new car, be honest and say you want to buy a new car -- it is OK, you can spend your money how you want. Just don't expect anyone to buy bullshit excuses to otherwise justify your desire for a new car.
On a separate note, if maintaining a 10 year old car is too much for you, do not ever, under any circumstances, buy a house.
The Nano and motorcycles are small. That is where the similarities end.
Most freeway worthy bikes have more than double the horsepower of the Nano. In some circumstances a bike can safely accelerate out of danger where this car cannot. A motorcycle has agility where this car does not. A motorcycle has very short stopping distances where this car does not.
I would rather drive a motorcycle than a Nano. The Nano gives up many things of a larger car but gains nothing beneficial from being a motorcycle.
It's not just the buying, it's the fuel/insurance/repairs. Trying to keep a ten-year-old all-American auto on the road is a money pit.
For the same price as a second hand car they could have something they can actually afford to run.
My car is 10 years old. It runs well but costs ~$300 a year to keep running, which is far cheaper than the annual cost of buying or leasing a new car. Not to mention cheaper insurance compared to a new vehicle. It gets ~24 MPG which isn't stellar but keeps me far below the tradeoff point where a car payment for something more efficient is cheaper than fuel costs.
Waiving your arms and claiming new is better is no substitute for a reasonable total cost of ownership analysis.
let's not forget that it was started during the last administration
Let's also not forget that the TSA was created under the Bush administration
So, if Bush poked out your right eye, it is perfectly acceptable and even expected that Obama pokes out your left eye?
Bush sucked, no doubt. However, Eric Holder's gunwalking program has directly and conclusively put American blood on the AG's hands, and he is not being held responsible. Try that yourself and see how it works out.
For the answer to this, just ask if there is any penalty to any decision maker at the TSA sufficient to motivate them?
Considering the government is shielding the AG who illegally ran guns in to Mexico and was found in concept of Congress but his minions at the DOJ refused to do their duty and prosecute, it is certain no one in the TSA will receive so much as a harsh word if the current administration remains after November.
If the administration changes in November, there is still little hope of the TSA being reigned in. Your freedoms do not bear weight in the agenda of politicians
Having the government force you to submit to a search to complete your travel is a violation of several rights. Driving is "not a right" either. Should the government force you into a search before you get behind the wheel. By your logic, as long as walking is permitted all other modes of travel are available for infringement.
Trust me, nobody really wants to ogle your naked outline.
If that is all that was at stake, it would be a different conversation.
If a simple pat-down "induced PTSD and sexual abuse trauma", it is more likely to suggest a problem with the passenger rather than the TSA.
So it is the passenger's fault they have issues being groped?
Passengers that have been sexually abused have had issues with the TSA groping reviving trauma from the initial attack. That is kinda what PTSD does to a person.
I know, I know, it is hard for anyone on Slashdot to imagine being the subject of unwanted sexual attention, but these things do happen.
I was really looking forward to being fondled and groped, but the TSA screeners were so uncomfortable, that they probably weren't able to determine definitively that I was male, much less if I were carrying something dangerous, like a comb or a camera. The dudes didn't want to touch me or look at me!
Yep, the best way to keep your pat down short is to look like you are enjoying it.
NO! This is terrible advice. The attorney will cost you thousands of $ and steer you toward the most expensive option. This just isn't that complicated.
User name explained: Bill has been Shanghai'd by an attorney in the past.
If you attorney is not small business friendly and does not comprehend your budget, you have hired the wrong attorney. Most will consult with you to determine what method of incorporation works best and then step back and let you do the legwork yourself to save costs. Doing this wrong can cost you far more than you save by cheaping out to start with.
You should talk to someone. Someone as in a psychiatrist or psychologist. Do it now, before you snap and your BMW driving boss is the target of your tirade and/or violence that leaves you in prison for a long time.
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My point wasn't that used cars are just as expensive and new cars. I agree with you completely that they are not. I just don't think your $300/year for a 10 year old car is terribly accurate or representative of the whole picture.
You are free to think what you wish. However, for my car, from years 6-10, it cost approximately $300/yr to maintain. Years 1-3 are not included because I did not own the car, and years 4-5 are not included since they had warranty coverage.
Yes, I do quite a bit of work myself. I rather enjoy it, and because I have some basic grasp of what I am doing it does not take very long. I do not spend time to scavenge junkyards -- there is this neat thing called the internet, and you can find damn near anything and even comparison shop for better pricing. I value my time significantly higher than $0 -- in fact, my ROI is very high.
Back to your dispute of my $300/yr number, I'll spot you 400%. Even if I was spending $1200/year on maintenance, it would be far better than buying a new car.
One other point -- I never stated buying a cheap car for $2000. Buy a good car that is 2-3 years old. It isn't hard to find good deals on "certified" used cars that often come with the remaining factory warranty or have an extended warranty option that comes fairly inexpensively. Pay off the used car as quickly as possible and drive it for many years without a payment.
Last two years on my 10 year old car I fixed an oil leak, had the brakes done, replaced 2 tires and rims, and replaced the battery, along with regular oil changes etc. Not bad for a car that old, but not great.
So are you suggesting that a new car payment is cheaper than routine maintenance, which all cars need by the way, or even non-routine maintenance? Brakes, tires, and batteries are all normal wear items, and replacing all of them at once is only a couple of new car payments. Rims are not wear items, so you can't blame the age of your car for hitting a curb. Even the newest car is going to require oil changes.
But in addition to that, over the last few years on my 10 year old car, the sunroof switch broke off but could still be operated, then the actual sunroof retraction mechanism broke. The manual trunk release at the rear of the car broke (but the electric release in the glove box still works), the rear door speaker cover broke, a piece of plastic trim on the door fell off, the radio no longer turns off automatically when the car is turned off, the alarm goes off occasionally when I open the trunk. One wheel still has a slow air leak. And its got another small oil leak.
If you neglect making small repairs all cars will turn into a piece of shit. The air leak should have nothing to do with your car's age. Outside of the oil leak, you should be able to take care of any of these rather quickly yourself for minimal cost. Possibly the oil leak too.
Unless your old car is costing you a new car payment worth of repairs each and every month, any argument based on cost fails simple math. If you want a new car, be honest and say you want to buy a new car -- it is OK, you can spend your money how you want. Just don't expect anyone to buy bullshit excuses to otherwise justify your desire for a new car.
On a separate note, if maintaining a 10 year old car is too much for you, do not ever, under any circumstances, buy a house.
How about not calling it a motorcycle?
The Nano and motorcycles are small. That is where the similarities end.
Most freeway worthy bikes have more than double the horsepower of the Nano. In some circumstances a bike can safely accelerate out of danger where this car cannot. A motorcycle has agility where this car does not. A motorcycle has very short stopping distances where this car does not.
I would rather drive a motorcycle than a Nano. The Nano gives up many things of a larger car but gains nothing beneficial from being a motorcycle.
It's not just the buying, it's the fuel/insurance/repairs. Trying to keep a ten-year-old all-American auto on the road is a money pit.
For the same price as a second hand car they could have something they can actually afford to run.
My car is 10 years old. It runs well but costs ~$300 a year to keep running, which is far cheaper than the annual cost of buying or leasing a new car. Not to mention cheaper insurance compared to a new vehicle. It gets ~24 MPG which isn't stellar but keeps me far below the tradeoff point where a car payment for something more efficient is cheaper than fuel costs.
Waiving your arms and claiming new is better is no substitute for a reasonable total cost of ownership analysis.
Now the Dept. of Homeland Security will think it is a contest. More rights violations in 3, 2, ...
Have you seen my wife?
Only the top of her head. Why?
multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend
It would probably have been cheaper to just get a better looking girlfriend.
So I shouldn't have told them my social security number, bank card number & pin, and mother's maiden name?
Oh well, at least they didn't get the combination to my luggage. 1234 will be safe forever!
let's not forget that it was started during the last administration
Let's also not forget that the TSA was created under the Bush administration
So, if Bush poked out your right eye, it is perfectly acceptable and even expected that Obama pokes out your left eye?
Bush sucked, no doubt. However, Eric Holder's gunwalking program has directly and conclusively put American blood on the AG's hands, and he is not being held responsible. Try that yourself and see how it works out.
If they start searching for all non-walking modes of transportation, why do you think they will stop at walking?
I don't.
e-ink is great for reading books, but for the ultimate experience you have to pick up a book!
For the answer to this, just ask if there is any penalty to any decision maker at the TSA sufficient to motivate them?
Considering the government is shielding the AG who illegally ran guns in to Mexico and was found in concept of Congress but his minions at the DOJ refused to do their duty and prosecute, it is certain no one in the TSA will receive so much as a harsh word if the current administration remains after November.
If the administration changes in November, there is still little hope of the TSA being reigned in. Your freedoms do not bear weight in the agenda of politicians
Flying is a privilege, not a right.
Having the government force you to submit to a search to complete your travel is a violation of several rights. Driving is "not a right" either. Should the government force you into a search before you get behind the wheel. By your logic, as long as walking is permitted all other modes of travel are available for infringement.
Trust me, nobody really wants to ogle your naked outline.
If that is all that was at stake, it would be a different conversation.
It's really that simple.
No, it is not. But you seem to be.
So you are saying bacon is not a vegetable?
Crap! And I thought I was doing so well following the food pyramid.
Whatsamatta?
Pigs quit fucking?
Pig condoms.
And why should I wear condom when having sex? It takes away all the fun.
You do not have to wear a condom. Your hand cannot get pregnant.
The earlier post was referring to those that have sex with women.
It would be interesting to see how long they last in a war between evenly matched sides where the carriers are vulnerable to air/missile attack.
No military leader worth half a shit would fight such a battle. Those are horrifically unacceptable odds.
and? There nothing wrong with letting her handle the vibrator. You get better leverage with both hands free. :)
If you need a vibrator and both hands free, you're doing it wrong.
Typos while being a smartass = karma.
The USA isn't the world, man. There are at least 10 more users in other countries.
While that might be true Verizon, Microsoft, and Slashdot could all care less!
No hard feelings though, since none of them care about US users either.
it's not like you didn't know it was coming.
Ahhh, the justification that makes everything the TSA does A-OK.
If a simple pat-down "induced PTSD and sexual abuse trauma", it is more likely to suggest a problem with the passenger rather than the TSA.
So it is the passenger's fault they have issues being groped?
Passengers that have been sexually abused have had issues with the TSA groping reviving trauma from the initial attack. That is kinda what PTSD does to a person.
I know, I know, it is hard for anyone on Slashdot to imagine being the subject of unwanted sexual attention, but these things do happen.
I was really looking forward to being fondled and groped, but the TSA screeners were so uncomfortable, that they probably weren't able to determine definitively that I was male, much less if I were carrying something dangerous, like a comb or a camera. The dudes didn't want to touch me or look at me!
Yep, the best way to keep your pat down short is to look like you are enjoying it.
NO! This is terrible advice. The attorney will cost you thousands of $ and steer you toward the most expensive option. This just isn't that complicated.
User name explained: Bill has been Shanghai'd by an attorney in the past.
If you attorney is not small business friendly and does not comprehend your budget, you have hired the wrong attorney. Most will consult with you to determine what method of incorporation works best and then step back and let you do the legwork yourself to save costs. Doing this wrong can cost you far more than you save by cheaping out to start with.
That escalated quickly.
You should talk to someone. Someone as in a psychiatrist or psychologist. Do it now, before you snap and your BMW driving boss is the target of your tirade and/or violence that leaves you in prison for a long time.