Android Market, iTunes, Microsoft Market (if/when it ever happens) all suffer from risky updates. that's why I don't put many apps on my phone.
most of them are pretty shit anyway. at the end of the day, as with anything marketed by profiteering companies and individuals, you get what you pay for. period.
there are more "simple" text files in the world than microsoft word documents. try writing any sort of programming in Microsoft Word... good luck! most programming is stored as simple text. so are web pages, css, js, linux configuration files, xml, and even pdf to some extent. Microsoft Word and FrontPage are both shit for web page authoring. word/excel/etc has all sorts of "advanced" features... that are completely useless bloat for majority of users, and the remaining users that use them could/should be using something better (more specific) anyway.
ODF is gaining traction, and Mirosoft is clambering desperately to maintain their early stranglehold, but I look forward to when even plagiarism and bullying won't save Microsoft. ODF and LibreOffice will trudge silently past them... slow and steady. microsoft will of course launch all sorts of smear campaigns, FUD, accusations of patent and copyright violations, threats to key users, and when their bottom line begins to really take a plunge, will probably eventually become the next SCO
I can imagine things like Navier-Stokes/CFD is supercomputer territory. maybe also rather than making the idle process just a message processing loop, they could have it working on boinc processing as well, since the cost of idling any exascale computer would be much higher than a consumer PC.
you're wasting your own time trying to shovel your "one size fits all" attitude down my throat (however in vain). everything you've come back at me with is total horseshit. do you even use computers?
at least if you're buying windows boxes, you're keeping Microsoft shareholders happy
that wasn't the point of my comment, but in any case "native Indians" (or "native Americans") are what they are known as, probably because they were the displaced population at the time of European settlement. On the other hand, I would be interested to know what makes you think American Indians originated from across the Bering Strait. Any sources? (not saying you're wrong, just curious... Googling now)
Boeing was actually a partner in the A380 project at one point, but it bailed and started the Dreamliner. I bet they're still sulking about that decision.
The only project Europe can be commended on is ITER
...apart from sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, fresh water system, and public health (and that's just the Romans)
the only other thing they contributed to was maybe was European settlement of the west (what is now the United States), but that doesn't really matter I guess; I’m sure the native Indian population would have eventually established NASA, NIF, etc anyway
surely the expense of exascale couldn't be justified merely because of a data transfer limitation for clustering and boinc.
boinc is enjoying organic growth in performance, including in data transfer rates, with upgrading of consumer hardware and telco infrastructure, and scientific organisations can access this power at a fraction of the cost of establishing a supercomputing facility.
the other bottleneck is I/O, and this will not change with exascale. sensors can only generate data so fast. the massive amounts of data that might require exa-scale are likely generated from multiple sensors, which lends itself to parallel processing anyway, and packaging data for boinc processing is a much simpler problem for one computer than trying to perform the entire process. there is also no reason why boinc hosts couldn't perform some of the data management work as well as crunching results. while not boinc, google is a good example of distributed data management
i can only imagine that whatever monstrosities come out of these efforts will sit idle for much of their time waiting for data to process like just every other computer on the planet.
the whole think stinks of political dickwaving, but I guess that shouldn't be unexpected
Show me a good photo editing suite that's not Gimp, but supports decent colormanagement, or a web-graphic oriented tool. Or more than one decent sound editor. Or a usable electronics simulation package with a decent GUI. And the list goes on and on and on.
why would anyone in their right mind not use Gimp? there are no doubt others, but many people (including myself) prefer Gimp. Why go looking for something else when you already have the best? There are entire categories for the other stuff you mention, including electronics software. By comparison, what comes with Windows? Erm... ms paint, notepad, media player. you're really starting to sound like a total douchebag moron.
my experience diverges with what you said
your experience has nothing to do with the experience of other windows users
Aren't you the guy who just said "considering most computer users don't use their machines for anything that should be hardware-intensive"? Pick up one of those old machines you have and try it for yourself.
are you brain dead? i do use P4 machines (I get them for free remember). your rambling didn't really make much sense with regard to the quote you were responding to, but its what i'm coming to expect. my comment was that most people don't do anything overly intensive (email, web browsing, etc), so much of the hardware requirements for windows boxes is for the OS itself.
I measured it
i call bs, but whatever.
Most windows users can't distinguish between the pc and the printer, what do they know about viruses?
windows users are quite familiar with viruses, because they are subjected to the dreaded "viruses scanner". they don't need to know anything about viruses to know that windows is a virus magnet. you are such an idiot.
Have you ever ordered custom specification RAM from a memory factory?
obviously you haven't. are you seriously trying to convince me that custom computer products are cheaper than mass produced products? you are completely fucking clueless, but at least you have provided some entertainment. i don't think i can be fucked discussing this with you more because i prefer a slightly more intelligent opponent, but good luck.
So when John Howard banned guns what happened? A lot less people got killed by guns
thankyou for making my point
which proved that guns reduce most crimes
that is the most ridiculous thing I've read on/. this week. congratulations!
The best efforts of "liberals" in the last fifteen years have not disproved his evidence.
with a hypothesis like "guns reduce most crimes" I would say that most liberals would have a good laugh at this "John Lott" and use his paper to wipe their arse. go live in America you fucking redneck; you'll have a ball trying to protect yourself with your gun there
not only every conceivable software is installed using a repository
With access to almost 30,000 packages means there's a good chance that most of what I need is in there, but I have had to source a couple of programs from outside the repos. I just make sure they are from reputable providers (I don't use third party indexes).
just because you use repositories, you think you are safe from malicious code or external threats
they may not be completely impenetrable, but by comparison, security of windows software isn't even in the same league.
Why would you install a modern windows version on an old computer?
because you can use a modern up-to-date linux distro (yes, even with gnome3) on a P4 with 514 Mb RAM just fine. considering most computer users don't use their machines for anything that should be hardware-intensive, they are merely required to upgrade hardware because an up-to-date version of windows won't run on anything less.
W7 on a p4 with 1GB and antivirus, and it isn't that bad
i find that hard to believe, especially coming from someone who immediately before said "Why would you install a modern windows version on an old computer?", but OK. it would be interesting to see resource usage on such an installation.
the cost of electricity is high enough so an Atom mobo would pay itself by the end of an year
that's also hard to believe, especially since much of the time CPUs are idling. the difference in idle power between a P4 and an Atom is apparently in the order of 47 watts, so assuming you left you pyewta on 24/7, that's 1.128 kWh saving per day or 411.7 kWh per year, so at $0.20 per kWh (rough average from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing), that would be a saving of $82 per year. I could probably get a low end mobo for that price, but I'd be hard pressed to get a decent CPU as well (plus compatible RAM). maybe you could though. if you're using windows you likely paid at least $400-$600 for a low end system with an OEM license (that's for a 32-bit system with 3-4Gb RAM running Windows 7 from Australia).
most modern online threats aren't "viruses"
viruses are a significant risk to windows computers. identity theft, phishing, email scams etc are a risk to all online computer users, but if you ask windows users what they worry about most as far as security goes, i bet viruses would be a fairly common response.
your personal data can be leaked when running a browser with the same uid as you
I would be interested to know how that's possible. I run iceweasel in private browsing mode so hackers could only gain data from one session, which is not to say they couldn't get my bank password in that session, but if a hacker can get around https and a presumably well-secured banking website (yeah I know what you're thinking but what does it have to do with Linux or Windows?), you're probably fucked no matter what OS you use.
I know that NFS is prone to UID hacks, but you would have to be pretty dumb to open your NFS shares to the outside world. Not that it matters much, but I do some basic hardening like setting shells for every user except root and myself to/bin/false, using an iptables script, and that's on top of a NAT router with no ports forwarded etc.
Do you run your browser as a separate unprivileged user?
I don't think I need to do that, but if I suddenly felt the need to (I won't) I could set that up fairly easily. Can you do that on a Windows machine?
how about csrf?
what does that have to do with the operating system?
I'm not going to stop using the desktop applications that allow me to be productive just because someone on
Slashdot Mirror
i think you really meant "debian netinstall cd" (only morons use ubuntu after all)
pffft... you idiot. "real" nerds avoid anything microsoft like the plague and use linux, and have little idea what all the hype is about.
Android Market, iTunes, Microsoft Market (if/when it ever happens) all suffer from risky updates. that's why I don't put many apps on my phone.
most of them are pretty shit anyway. at the end of the day, as with anything marketed by profiteering companies and individuals, you get what you pay for. period.
dynamical
i'm myaat daaaaaymon!
...like marketing internet control technology to other countries, including the US?
seems like they're on their way to a winner, what with SOPA and PIPA and all that
don't try to solve social problems with technology
Keep on setting those unrealistic expectations
how about this for a famous quote:
"People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it." - George Bernard Shaw
and they don't rot their brains watching oprah
there are more "simple" text files in the world than microsoft word documents. try writing any sort of programming in Microsoft Word... good luck! most programming is stored as simple text. so are web pages, css, js, linux configuration files, xml, and even pdf to some extent. Microsoft Word and FrontPage are both shit for web page authoring. word/excel/etc has all sorts of "advanced" features... that are completely useless bloat for majority of users, and the remaining users that use them could/should be using something better (more specific) anyway.
ODF is gaining traction, and Mirosoft is clambering desperately to maintain their early stranglehold, but I look forward to when even plagiarism and bullying won't save Microsoft. ODF and LibreOffice will trudge silently past them... slow and steady. microsoft will of course launch all sorts of smear campaigns, FUD, accusations of patent and copyright violations, threats to key users, and when their bottom line begins to really take a plunge, will probably eventually become the next SCO
I can imagine things like Navier-Stokes/CFD is supercomputer territory. maybe also rather than making the idle process just a message processing loop, they could have it working on boinc processing as well, since the cost of idling any exascale computer would be much higher than a consumer PC.
or maybe they can calculate pi to a few more decimal places. i guess there's no reason why it couldn't join in on some boinc action
you're wasting your own time trying to shovel your "one size fits all" attitude down my throat (however in vain). everything you've come back at me with is total horseshit. do you even use computers?
at least if you're buying windows boxes, you're keeping Microsoft shareholders happy
bye fucker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
that wasn't the point of my comment, but in any case "native Indians" (or "native Americans") are what they are known as, probably because they were the displaced population at the time of European settlement. On the other hand, I would be interested to know what makes you think American Indians originated from across the Bering Strait. Any sources? (not saying you're wrong, just curious... Googling now)
most of their planes are uninspired boeing clones
Boeing was actually a partner in the A380 project at one point, but it bailed and started the Dreamliner. I bet they're still sulking about that decision.
The only project Europe can be commended on is ITER
the only other thing they contributed to was maybe was European settlement of the west (what is now the United States), but that doesn't really matter I guess; I’m sure the native Indian population would have eventually established NASA, NIF, etc anyway
but what can any single machine that can achieve it actually be used for?
i figure it will be like driving a Ferrari in a traffic jam
seems to work well for seti@home.
surely the expense of exascale couldn't be justified merely because of a data transfer limitation for clustering and boinc.
boinc is enjoying organic growth in performance, including in data transfer rates, with upgrading of consumer hardware and telco infrastructure, and scientific organisations can access this power at a fraction of the cost of establishing a supercomputing facility.
the other bottleneck is I/O, and this will not change with exascale. sensors can only generate data so fast. the massive amounts of data that might require exa-scale are likely generated from multiple sensors, which lends itself to parallel processing anyway, and packaging data for boinc processing is a much simpler problem for one computer than trying to perform the entire process. there is also no reason why boinc hosts couldn't perform some of the data management work as well as crunching results. while not boinc, google is a good example of distributed data management
i can only imagine that whatever monstrosities come out of these efforts will sit idle for much of their time waiting for data to process like just every other computer on the planet.
the whole think stinks of political dickwaving, but I guess that shouldn't be unexpected
live long and prosper, you lame fucker. meanwhile i'm off the masturbate to a pic of Seven Of Nine. ooh yeah baby... resistance is futile
that would be the equivalent of nitro
Show me a good photo editing suite that's not Gimp, but supports decent colormanagement, or a web-graphic oriented tool. Or more than one decent sound editor. Or a usable electronics simulation package with a decent GUI. And the list goes on and on and on.
why would anyone in their right mind not use Gimp? there are no doubt others, but many people (including myself) prefer Gimp. Why go looking for something else when you already have the best? There are entire categories for the other stuff you mention, including electronics software. By comparison, what comes with Windows? Erm... ms paint, notepad, media player. you're really starting to sound like a total douchebag moron.
my experience diverges with what you said
your experience has nothing to do with the experience of other windows users
Aren't you the guy who just said "considering most computer users don't use their machines for anything that should be hardware-intensive"? Pick up one of those old machines you have and try it for yourself.
are you brain dead? i do use P4 machines (I get them for free remember). your rambling didn't really make much sense with regard to the quote you were responding to, but its what i'm coming to expect. my comment was that most people don't do anything overly intensive (email, web browsing, etc), so much of the hardware requirements for windows boxes is for the OS itself.
I measured it
i call bs, but whatever.
Most windows users can't distinguish between the pc and the printer, what do they know about viruses?
windows users are quite familiar with viruses, because they are subjected to the dreaded "viruses scanner". they don't need to know anything about viruses to know that windows is a virus magnet. you are such an idiot.
Have you ever ordered custom specification RAM from a memory factory?
obviously you haven't. are you seriously trying to convince me that custom computer products are cheaper than mass produced products? you are completely fucking clueless, but at least you have provided some entertainment. i don't think i can be fucked discussing this with you more because i prefer a slightly more intelligent opponent, but good luck.
whatever dude. sore loser
So when John Howard banned guns what happened? A lot less people got killed by guns
thankyou for making my point
which proved that guns reduce most crimes
that is the most ridiculous thing I've read on /. this week. congratulations!
The best efforts of "liberals" in the last fifteen years have not disproved his evidence.
with a hypothesis like "guns reduce most crimes" I would say that most liberals would have a good laugh at this "John Lott" and use his paper to wipe their arse. go live in America you fucking redneck; you'll have a ball trying to protect yourself with your gun there
why do you think gay = homosexual?
that's soooo last millenium
regardless of the age of the article, since your original comment was
Show me 1 move where the main production/editing/postproduction is being run on linux. It would be a huge surprise...
you must be in shock
not only every conceivable software is installed using a repository
With access to almost 30,000 packages means there's a good chance that most of what I need is in there, but I have had to source a couple of programs from outside the repos. I just make sure they are from reputable providers (I don't use third party indexes).
just because you use repositories, you think you are safe from malicious code or external threats
they may not be completely impenetrable, but by comparison, security of windows software isn't even in the same league.
Why would you install a modern windows version on an old computer?
because you can use a modern up-to-date linux distro (yes, even with gnome3) on a P4 with 514 Mb RAM just fine. considering most computer users don't use their machines for anything that should be hardware-intensive, they are merely required to upgrade hardware because an up-to-date version of windows won't run on anything less.
W7 on a p4 with 1GB and antivirus, and it isn't that bad
i find that hard to believe, especially coming from someone who immediately before said "Why would you install a modern windows version on an old computer?", but OK. it would be interesting to see resource usage on such an installation.
the cost of electricity is high enough so an Atom mobo would pay itself by the end of an year
that's also hard to believe, especially since much of the time CPUs are idling. the difference in idle power between a P4 and an Atom is apparently in the order of 47 watts, so assuming you left you pyewta on 24/7, that's 1.128 kWh saving per day or 411.7 kWh per year, so at $0.20 per kWh (rough average from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing), that would be a saving of $82 per year. I could probably get a low end mobo for that price, but I'd be hard pressed to get a decent CPU as well (plus compatible RAM). maybe you could though. if you're using windows you likely paid at least $400-$600 for a low end system with an OEM license (that's for a 32-bit system with 3-4Gb RAM running Windows 7 from Australia).
most modern online threats aren't "viruses"
viruses are a significant risk to windows computers. identity theft, phishing, email scams etc are a risk to all online computer users, but if you ask windows users what they worry about most as far as security goes, i bet viruses would be a fairly common response.
your personal data can be leaked when running a browser with the same uid as you
I would be interested to know how that's possible. I run iceweasel in private browsing mode so hackers could only gain data from one session, which is not to say they couldn't get my bank password in that session, but if a hacker can get around https and a presumably well-secured banking website (yeah I know what you're thinking but what does it have to do with Linux or Windows?), you're probably fucked no matter what OS you use.
/bin/false, using an iptables script, and that's on top of a NAT router with no ports forwarded etc.
I know that NFS is prone to UID hacks, but you would have to be pretty dumb to open your NFS shares to the outside world. Not that it matters much, but I do some basic hardening like setting shells for every user except root and myself to
Do you run your browser as a separate unprivileged user?
I don't think I need to do that, but if I suddenly felt the need to (I won't) I could set that up fairly easily. Can you do that on a Windows machine?
how about csrf?
what does that have to do with the operating system?
I'm not going to stop using the desktop applications that allow me to be productive just because someone on
Much of computing design is about resource allocation, too.
yeah, overallocation of resources... omg! computing design and politics ARE the same!