they are just basically guessing the same as you are
but theirs is a more educated guess than mine, and if someone else knows more about something then I do, I would trust the expert's guess more so than my own, and most other people would too. that's the whole point of having experts.
...when you think you may be sick, do you keep seeing different doctors till you come across one that agrees with your diagnosis?
I saw a documentary once where they invited a bunch of preteen girls to a "slumber party" that was videotaped. i don't know why the parents would have allowed such a thing, but I guess money talks. they gave the kids a selection of products and they studied how they played with and used them so that they could incorporate the features that the kids liked best into other products. its not the research that's creepy, its that they are using children in that way.
also, those supermarket tantrums... they are studied to find out what triggers them and how to trigger them again
there was more, including what goes on in schools in America. I can't remember what the doco was called, but it was on Australia's ABC channel over a year ago. i remember (as a parent of a baby girl and a toddler boy) being a little freaked out
i don't understand this "social" thing. Why would i care what people think of my car?
some people do
Cellphone much? You really are trying to hard to make me thing that tampon advertisements are for me. Do you work for a tampon company in their advertisement department?
nope i don't work for a tampon company. sorry if i got a bit carried away. not everyone has a cellphone. i didn't use one till a couple of months ago.
My original point was that I am not going to be buying a new car in the next 10-15 yeas
but you may in 20 years
In the event that i do, its not going to be an impulse buy because i saw the car on tv the previous week
no, but it might be because you saw a car on tv the previous week from a brand that you have been exposed to for the previous 20 years. if you "need" a new car, that need is going to arise from advertising of some sort, so why would you doubt that it could be from an ad that you saw the previous week? is an ad that you saw in the previous week any less trustworthy than one you saw 12 months ago? would you really buy a new car that wasn't recently advertised? otherwise it wouldn't really be "new" would it. if you are really as sensible as you're apparently claiming, you wouldn't ever buy a new car at all (its quite well known that a new car loses a decent percentage of its value when you roll it out of a showroom, and if you get one with about 50,000 kms on the clock from a fleet management company - for example - you avoid infant mortality and get a nicely run-in engine). but, even knowing all that, people still buy new cars, because there is social and personal value in having a new car that no amount of economics can justify.
I also never ever see my self buying tampon brands that i choose
none of us (of the male persuasion) "see" ourselves buying tampons, but what if your wife tells you to buy tampons of a particular brand, and you forget which brand when you get to the supermarket? are you going to come home with no tampons even though you know there is a chance they will be the wrong brand and that you'll have to return to exchange them? this is what advertisers are counting on, and i think its possibly a more common scenario than you might think. if i have to remember more than 3 things i usually get my wife to write it down, but sometimes i think i should be able to remember 3 things and forget one of them anyway.
its funny you should mention that, because i believe we are soon to be (or already are) in the sort of global economic climate where an emerging mass-marketing not-for-profit (as in no shareholders at all - not even owned by employees) could leverage consumer mentality by really make the competing corporations look bad on TV a lot, to the point where they could gradually buy out their competitors.
the problem is a number of philanthropic idealists need to get together, develop a business plan, get loans and grants, and make it happen.
...or in the current global economic climate we may soon find the rise of the next Hitler
my point was that "your decision" is only an illusion. if people just wanted a comfortable car, why wouldn't they buy a second-hand one that does the job? granted many do, but not by choice (more lack of funds for anything else). the entire new car market is targeted at people with enough money to be manipulated into buying something they don't really need.
if you really need any more explanation than that, you are an idiot.
good point. no i don't have a girlfriend, i have a wife, an you are right that you buy the brand she says, but that wasn't really my point (the advertising obviously worked on her)
lol... then you obviously aren't meant to benefit from it
otoh, none of us common folk know what form these weapons will come in. it might be made to appear like a common cold except that you eventually drop dead from it after spreading it around (after all, many people still go to work with a cold), or it could be some disastrous infliction like the T-virus (doubt it though)
If somebody knows your key, or your hiding spot, or what time you have to put down your shotgun to take a crap, you're through
true, but security through obscurity is about obscurity that isn't secure (such as access to a system from an unknown URL - the URL may be unknown, but it isn't secure).
if somebody knows a cryptography key to the point where they gain useful information with it, there is a good chance that somebody was the guy who was given that key and authorized to use it in the first place.
its easy to say "if someone has the key they can get in", but the whole point of having a key is that it's given only to those authorized to have it and nobody else. how many people do you know that are able to break common cryptography standards (such as SHA-2) to actually use it to get anything useful?
As we approach 10 billion people on this blue marble, the chances that we'll cull our numbers by 20% or more using some novel new method seems to race towards 1 at a faster and faster rate.
+1
its just a pity that only a very small percentage of us will have access to antidotes for these man-made genocide weapons
unfortunately the only way to stop the madness is for everyone to stop spending all together, cutting off the lifeblood of the corporate oligarchy, and the chance of that ever happening is zero.
its funny you mention that, because your girlfriend might get you to go buy tampons for her, and your recognition of the brand you saw in an ad might make you more comfortable selecting that brand over other brands you've never heard of before, and you might not have the money for a $40,000 car now, but someday you may, and exposure to certain brands (usually the ones you see regularly in television advertising) means you will more likely choose a car from a brand you're familiar with, as if you choose something that isn't heavily advertised, none of your friends will be impressed with it when you roll up to work the next day. market research deliberately extends beyond the obvious because nobody wants to buy something that they think they're being tricked into buying, so the task of advertisers is to trick consumers into buying something without them thinking they're being tricked (so they think they are making their own choice).
if you took away all forms of advertising, people would spend much less, and only on things they needed more. we are manipulated into buying stuff we don't need, and that's why there is such big money in advertising (google etc).
advertising isn't about getting people to spend then and there; its merely brand recognition, so that when you do go to the store you're not buying something that nobody else will, which consumers seem to care about. its manipulation of our desire for social status; our perceived need for "stuff" that might make us seem cooler to our friends. its pretty scary if you think about it. market research is more psychology.
where it really gets creepy is their study of children in order to manipulate the spending of parents
it can go both ways, but there is a fairly common saying regarding marriage that you may have heard of: "what's mine is hers and what's hers is hers". people usually joke about it, but in reality if you get married with any other assumption, you probably made the wrong choice. if you love someone enough to get married, whatever "stuff" you own should fade into insignificance. i think a lot of people don't get this, and its why divorce lawyers are raking it in.
your question is rhetorical, obviously. i simply ignored it.
let me ask you a question.
if you are in an area experiencing earth tremors, and a seismologist tells you things are ok, do you believe him?
maybe you wouldn't, so you evacuate. if nothing happens for a while, do you come back? do you stay away for ever? if you come back, how many times do you run away and come back after every tremor? are you beginning to get my drift yet?
people turn to seismologists because they are the experts in that field. they may not be able to predict earthquakes, but most people would trust them if they said that things were ok. if you're a paranoid douchebag you would run away, but maybe while you're gone your house may be ransacked and all your belongings stolen.
easy... the fool who follows, but a fool ignoring a seismologist with regard to earthquakes is like ignoring a fireman in case of fire, or an aeronautical engineer in cases of airline safety, or a doctor with regards to health concerns. qualifications carry certain ethical responsibilities. if you are in a position of trust, it is your responsibility not to abuse that trust, but everyone makes the odd mistake, and that's why professional indemnity insurance was invented.
Getting a prenup isn't saying you plan on getting a divorce. It's protecting yourself in case your spouse's brain goes nuts one day and everything changes.
yes it is, and if you would abandon your spouse if their brain goes nuts, then your spouse deserves half your assets because you are an asshole who shouldn't have proposed to begin with.
reading all these replies at least sheds some light on why there are so many divorces. you morons really have no idea what it means to get married. there's too many morons that think marriage is like what they see in chick flicks
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they are just basically guessing the same as you are
but theirs is a more educated guess than mine, and if someone else knows more about something then I do, I would trust the expert's guess more so than my own, and most other people would too. that's the whole point of having experts.
...when you think you may be sick, do you keep seeing different doctors till you come across one that agrees with your diagnosis?
I saw a documentary once where they invited a bunch of preteen girls to a "slumber party" that was videotaped. i don't know why the parents would have allowed such a thing, but I guess money talks. they gave the kids a selection of products and they studied how they played with and used them so that they could incorporate the features that the kids liked best into other products. its not the research that's creepy, its that they are using children in that way.
also, those supermarket tantrums... they are studied to find out what triggers them and how to trigger them again
there was more, including what goes on in schools in America. I can't remember what the doco was called, but it was on Australia's ABC channel over a year ago. i remember (as a parent of a baby girl and a toddler boy) being a little freaked out
i don't understand this "social" thing. Why would i care what people think of my car?
some people do
Cellphone much? You really are trying to hard to make me thing that tampon advertisements are for me. Do you work for a tampon company in their advertisement department?
nope i don't work for a tampon company. sorry if i got a bit carried away. not everyone has a cellphone. i didn't use one till a couple of months ago.
My original point was that I am not going to be buying a new car in the next 10-15 yeas
but you may in 20 years
In the event that i do, its not going to be an impulse buy because i saw the car on tv the previous week
no, but it might be because you saw a car on tv the previous week from a brand that you have been exposed to for the previous 20 years. if you "need" a new car, that need is going to arise from advertising of some sort, so why would you doubt that it could be from an ad that you saw the previous week? is an ad that you saw in the previous week any less trustworthy than one you saw 12 months ago? would you really buy a new car that wasn't recently advertised? otherwise it wouldn't really be "new" would it. if you are really as sensible as you're apparently claiming, you wouldn't ever buy a new car at all (its quite well known that a new car loses a decent percentage of its value when you roll it out of a showroom, and if you get one with about 50,000 kms on the clock from a fleet management company - for example - you avoid infant mortality and get a nicely run-in engine). but, even knowing all that, people still buy new cars, because there is social and personal value in having a new car that no amount of economics can justify.
I also never ever see my self buying tampon brands that i choose
none of us (of the male persuasion) "see" ourselves buying tampons, but what if your wife tells you to buy tampons of a particular brand, and you forget which brand when you get to the supermarket? are you going to come home with no tampons even though you know there is a chance they will be the wrong brand and that you'll have to return to exchange them? this is what advertisers are counting on, and i think its possibly a more common scenario than you might think. if i have to remember more than 3 things i usually get my wife to write it down, but sometimes i think i should be able to remember 3 things and forget one of them anyway.
decent people don't divorce their spouse either. go figure
its funny you should mention that, because i believe we are soon to be (or already are) in the sort of global economic climate where an emerging mass-marketing not-for-profit (as in no shareholders at all - not even owned by employees) could leverage consumer mentality by really make the competing corporations look bad on TV a lot, to the point where they could gradually buy out their competitors.
...or in the current global economic climate we may soon find the rise of the next Hitler
the problem is a number of philanthropic idealists need to get together, develop a business plan, get loans and grants, and make it happen.
my point was that "your decision" is only an illusion. if people just wanted a comfortable car, why wouldn't they buy a second-hand one that does the job? granted many do, but not by choice (more lack of funds for anything else). the entire new car market is targeted at people with enough money to be manipulated into buying something they don't really need.
if you really need any more explanation than that, you are an idiot.
good point. no i don't have a girlfriend, i have a wife, an you are right that you buy the brand she says, but that wasn't really my point (the advertising obviously worked on her)
lol... then you obviously aren't meant to benefit from it
otoh, none of us common folk know what form these weapons will come in. it might be made to appear like a common cold except that you eventually drop dead from it after spreading it around (after all, many people still go to work with a cold), or it could be some disastrous infliction like the T-virus (doubt it though)
at least it didn't involve gerry fuckhymen
If somebody knows your key, or your hiding spot, or what time you have to put down your shotgun to take a crap, you're through
true, but security through obscurity is about obscurity that isn't secure (such as access to a system from an unknown URL - the URL may be unknown, but it isn't secure).
if somebody knows a cryptography key to the point where they gain useful information with it, there is a good chance that somebody was the guy who was given that key and authorized to use it in the first place.
its easy to say "if someone has the key they can get in", but the whole point of having a key is that it's given only to those authorized to have it and nobody else. how many people do you know that are able to break common cryptography standards (such as SHA-2) to actually use it to get anything useful?
As we approach 10 billion people on this blue marble, the chances that we'll cull our numbers by 20% or more using some novel new method seems to race towards 1 at a faster and faster rate.
+1
its just a pity that only a very small percentage of us will have access to antidotes for these man-made genocide weapons
unfortunately the only way to stop the madness is for everyone to stop spending all together, cutting off the lifeblood of the corporate oligarchy, and the chance of that ever happening is zero.
its funny you mention that, because your girlfriend might get you to go buy tampons for her, and your recognition of the brand you saw in an ad might make you more comfortable selecting that brand over other brands you've never heard of before, and you might not have the money for a $40,000 car now, but someday you may, and exposure to certain brands (usually the ones you see regularly in television advertising) means you will more likely choose a car from a brand you're familiar with, as if you choose something that isn't heavily advertised, none of your friends will be impressed with it when you roll up to work the next day. market research deliberately extends beyond the obvious because nobody wants to buy something that they think they're being tricked into buying, so the task of advertisers is to trick consumers into buying something without them thinking they're being tricked (so they think they are making their own choice).
if you took away all forms of advertising, people would spend much less, and only on things they needed more. we are manipulated into buying stuff we don't need, and that's why there is such big money in advertising (google etc).
advertising isn't about getting people to spend then and there; its merely brand recognition, so that when you do go to the store you're not buying something that nobody else will, which consumers seem to care about. its manipulation of our desire for social status; our perceived need for "stuff" that might make us seem cooler to our friends. its pretty scary if you think about it. market research is more psychology.
where it really gets creepy is their study of children in order to manipulate the spending of parents
it can go both ways, but there is a fairly common saying regarding marriage that you may have heard of: "what's mine is hers and what's hers is hers". people usually joke about it, but in reality if you get married with any other assumption, you probably made the wrong choice. if you love someone enough to get married, whatever "stuff" you own should fade into insignificance. i think a lot of people don't get this, and its why divorce lawyers are raking it in.
your question is rhetorical, obviously. i simply ignored it.
let me ask you a question.
if you are in an area experiencing earth tremors, and a seismologist tells you things are ok, do you believe him?
maybe you wouldn't, so you evacuate. if nothing happens for a while, do you come back? do you stay away for ever? if you come back, how many times do you run away and come back after every tremor? are you beginning to get my drift yet?
people turn to seismologists because they are the experts in that field. they may not be able to predict earthquakes, but most people would trust them if they said that things were ok. if you're a paranoid douchebag you would run away, but maybe while you're gone your house may be ransacked and all your belongings stolen.
since many telemarketers aren't in the US, wtf can the FCC do to stop them?
It's always the US government because the US government is in complete control over the DNS for the entire planet
that's just what Americans want the rest of the world to think
http://www.isoc.org/briefings/020/
http://www.root-servers.org/
easy... the fool who follows, but a fool ignoring a seismologist with regard to earthquakes is like ignoring a fireman in case of fire, or an aeronautical engineer in cases of airline safety, or a doctor with regards to health concerns. qualifications carry certain ethical responsibilities. if you are in a position of trust, it is your responsibility not to abuse that trust, but everyone makes the odd mistake, and that's why professional indemnity insurance was invented.
if any government knew the world was going to end, do you think they would inform the public before scurrying off to their bunkers?
Getting a prenup isn't saying you plan on getting a divorce. It's protecting yourself in case your spouse's brain goes nuts one day and everything changes.
yes it is, and if you would abandon your spouse if their brain goes nuts, then your spouse deserves half your assets because you are an asshole who shouldn't have proposed to begin with.
reading all these replies at least sheds some light on why there are so many divorces. you morons really have no idea what it means to get married. there's too many morons that think marriage is like what they see in chick flicks
the examples you use (fire, car wreck, etc) are things you expect could happen.
anything is possible of course, but if you go into a marriage expecting that divorce could happen, you have already made the wrong choice
contracts are commonplace for business partnerships maybe. however, if you treat your marriage like a business i really pity your spouse
define it however you like, but the very premise of a prenup is assumption of eventual divorce. a prenup is pointless without divorce.
...and using sheldon cooper as an example for anything to do with relationships is ridiculous
if you need a prenup to decide order of bathroom usage, you are a moron