These "worse" outcomes are what we're going to get whenever we withdraw anyway.
We canot change the makup of that country religiously or culturally. When we leave, they will fight it out.
Therei s nothing you can do about that.
A libertarian society can only come from the people in the country wanting one-- it cannot be imposed externally. That's bush's ultimate fialure-- there was no way he could "bring democracy to Iraq".
The only question is whether we leave now and save US and Iraqi lives, or we stay longer and kill more people.
This is the problem with pseudo-scientists and non-scientists.... this article does not even address the issues that those concerned about Yellowstone have.
Yet the posting claims it debunks them? The relevant questions weren't even asked! Its like listenting to democrats expalain how doubling the tax burden on the poor is really designed to punish the rich. (As if punishing the rich were even a moral thing to begin with.)
This is what really sucks about mainstream society-- people believe what they are told to believe, and then steafastly refuse to listen to reason:
EG: Microsoft's investment of $150M "bailed out" Apple, despite Apple having billions in chash. EG: The x86 is faster CPU despite the fact that the only way you can get those results are with artificial measures that essentially measure clock speed. EG: The Republicans tax cut (which would have cut taxes on the richest by %5 and on the poorest by %33) were a "tax cut for the rich"... and that democrats "Care about the poor"-- even though their changes on Bush's tax cut reduced the tax cut for the poor drastically... EG: Democrats care about the poor so they raise their taxes.
Bottom line: Yellowstone may erupt soon, or it may be a long time. The questions asked didn't address the issues.... and of course nobody is going to see something looking at it on a day to day basis -- until it happens anyway!
But no, we have to spread the conspiracy theory that people who question the official word on anything are nuts-- despite the fact that much of what you are told is outright lies.
CNN Says "Assault weapons" are full auto machine guns (full auto has been banned since the 30s). But most americans believe it.
Hell most americans believe that marriage is traditionally between a man and a woman-- despite the fact that the ceremony was created by the catholic church to honor priest-alterboy relationships, and only later extendede to the masses as marriage.
People cannot think critically, or the refuse to, and so they believe waht tehy want or are told to believe... and the quality of slashdot goes to hell. The quality of science writing goes to hell.
And so we get articles "Debunking" things that don't even address the subject!
Of course its not erupting now, nobody says it is!
My dispute is not with the word "create".... it is with who he's talking about when he says "we helped". And the "We helped" is clearly the government.
While I think he's wrong-- the government has only hindered the internet-- he certainly wasn't claiming that *HE* invented the internet.
I mean, come on-- you have to be pretty desperate and pretty stupid to think that Al Gore thinks he personally created the internet.
But to pass on the lie that he made the claim you just have to lack integrity.... and so many people do.
None of which would be a problem if the US wasn't inflating the dollar.
There is no such thing as a benevolant dictator. The problem with democracy is in its premise-- that masses can make decissions affecting EVERYONE.
Take that power out of the government, and the fools who pursue short term thinking will get their due, and those who pursue long term thinking will get theirs.
This may not be disagreeing with you.
Outsourcing is good for the economy. Unfortunately, the broken window fallacy seems to be the basis of mainstream economic understanding.
Under capitalism, man exploits man, but man is also exploiting man. EG: Man A exploits Man B, but Man B is also exploiting man A, in the same transaction.
Under socialism, the party exploits the masses.
These are not the same men. (I know, you were making a joke, but most people don't realize the fallacy in the joke.)
I fail to see how a $150M restricted stock investment for a company that had $4B in the bank is a "Bailout".
To call this a bailout is just to repeat the pro-microsoft zealot's urban legend.
Plus that $150 was a small payment comapred to the Billions Microsoft has paid Apple in their cross-licensing agreement (announced at the same time, but downplayed because MS did not want to admit that it was paying apple for stealing Quicktime technology.)
But people just want to believe that Apple is weak, and so they repeat stories like this.
Despite the fats. This ranks right up there with the "Al Gore claimed he invented the internet" in most widely believed lies.
Well, maybe "Social Security helps people" is more widely believed. (If people were able to keep the money they paid into social security in even a savings account, they would be better off.)
You could make that argument, but you'd be just like the people claiming Apple was dying when they had three times the revenues of microsoft!
Literally, people have been claiming this in the press and online for about 20 years. (Yes, "online" did exist 20 years ago.)
All the unix geeks I know are getting apple laptops, or want to. The transition to Unix is even more significant than the PowerPC transition, in my mind, because it paves the way for everybody but Microsoft to be using the same OS, which easy transportability of applications, and thus much more collective Unix market share.
Apple has been hampered by Motorola, but hopefully IBM will be more energetic in keeping the processors up to standard...
Apparently you didn't read the directions, but, you see, the battery in the iPod is rechargeable.
Just plug it into your PC with a firewire cable, or use the conveniently supplied plug-in power supply to recharge the battery.
I know, its such an amazing technology... I'm sure you're quite used to throwing away batteries once they are dead. But I assure you the iPod's battery is meant to be recharged, not replaced.
Economics is a science that is fully understood. Unfortunately, many economists are actually politicians pretending to be economists.
AS I pointed out in another posting, the Austrian school of economics has accurately predicted what happens in reality before it happens.
The chicago school is pretty close as well-- it has a good record.
Unfortunately, most of the "economists" you hear about are not even competant in economics-- they are outright marxists trying to put forth a political agenda and justify it with the pseudo-science you react to. Also known as keynsian economists.
Just because the state puts forth these liars on a regular basis who cannot predict their way out of a paper bag, does not mean that there is no such thing as economic science.
I invite you to read "Economics in one lesson". Its a quick read and it will let you detect the liars very quickly in the future.
I'm glad to see you bring up currency exchange... but the "unfair advantage" china has is that they pegged the Yuan to the dollar!
In other words, they are getting that advantage because the bush administration, and the clinton one before it, have been inflating the US dollar like crazy to pay for wasteful government spending....
So, we're the ones giving them that "unfair" advantage.
None. You've improved the lot for software developers in the US.
And historically, the US has had a decrease in poverty over the years-- but that doesn't seem to quell the constant cries of woe from certain sectors.
Its really simple-- India became more capitalist in some respects than the US and doubled the average indians income. The US, on the other hand, has gotten more socialist-- its going where india came from.
Will we learn from India's example? OR will we just whine and cry?
So you assert, but the fact of the matter is there is a branch of economics that has a great track record... it has predicted events well in advance, and very accurately, using scientific principles. Its called the Austrian school.
That people are dishonest and use economics-sounding arguments to justify it does not mean that economics is alchemy. Its not.
I encourage you to read "Economics in one Lesson". ITs a short book, and it will open your eyes.
The reason they don't do it is that they make political hay out of ignoring economics and leaving the bill to the next guy.
You should go read up on the "Broken window fallacy". IT has an entry in the wikipidia. And then listen to people as they put forth fallacious arguments all the time.
No economics is really needed for seeing the fallacy... and yet, just today I heard a "Professor of economics" put forth the fallacy over and over again.
Frankly, "Scientific Socialism" is what we have-- and it ignores the science of economics.
Your ignorance does not make Economics wishy washy like psychology.
The funny thing is, "Made in Japan" had everyone scared, what, 50 years ago?
Are you still scared?
Do you think cheap japanese labor is going to destory the american economy?
This article makes a good point-- the problem is most people do not understand economics at all. They only look at first order effects and ignore all others-- despite the fact that time and again, secondary and tertiary effects show themselves to be much more important.
Bottom line: Free trade always works.
The alternative is: unfree trade. What does unfree trade mean? IT means tarrifs or other restrictions--all of which raise costs to american companies who want to do business abroad. Higher costs mean-- more outsourcing abroad! Instead of making it here and exporting it, make it there. Or if it doesn't do that, it causes other countries to raise terrifs on American goods, negating the effect of the terrifs in the first place.
The reason you're losing your job to India or China is because the US has made it far too expensive to operate a company here.
They have done so because all the liberals screaming "kill the rich" like the parent of this thread.
But the result of that is, more onerous conditions and fewer jobs.
Its not that "Wealthy billionaires" are doing this stuff-- its the force of the market, the force of nature. To survive you have to be competitive. You make the US uncompetitive and we lose jobs.
Its that simple.
In short-- your high taxes, your soak the rich policies, you're socalist oppression of the productive members of society are coming back to bite you in the ass.
And who do you blame? The rich!
As for me, I'll move to india and start an outsourcing company. Just wish I'd done that 6 years ago when I first thought of it, but at the time I said to myself "Self, everyone and their brother is already doing that." Hmm... maybe I should start one in Madagascar or eastern russia.
Bottom line: Americans have no clue about economics (otherwise they would refuse to hold dollars, or think that George Bush "cut taxes", etc). You guys call for "solutions" that are actually the problem in the first place.
Things are going to get much worse as long as socialist republicans or socialist democrats are in office.
IF you want to keep your job, vote libertarian. IF you think that's absurd, read "Economics in one lesson."
Economics is a SCIENCE. LEARN IT.
PS- this is not directed at the immediately preceeding post, but at the chain of posts that led to it.
Computer Science isn't required for them, and they are not things that should be taught in computer science.
The end all, sole purpose for computer science is to teach computer programming-- the entirety of the non-hardware design side of computers.
Computer Engineering for those who want to layout motherboards. Computer Science for the programmers.
If you're going to be an admin, don't go to college-- its just a waste of time. Teach yourself on the job and save $30,000 and end up making twice what your peers who went to college to learn how to be a network admin do when they graduate.
I think that could be an excellent system...very excellent.
Start with Assembly. Then in the next semester, teach them C. Datastructures, procedural stuff.
Then teach object oriented programming with Java.
That could well be the best way to go. I taught myself assembly before I ever went to college, but prior to your post I would have suggested Java as a first language... but your're right-- I think assembly would be excellent. Then with C as the next step, its only one degree removed from assembly... and Java shares the syntax to some extent, and is a good OO language. In the end they have two of the most common languages under their belt.
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These "worse" outcomes are what we're going to get whenever we withdraw anyway.
We canot change the makup of that country religiously or culturally. When we leave, they will fight it out.
Therei s nothing you can do about that.
A libertarian society can only come from the people in the country wanting one-- it cannot be imposed externally. That's bush's ultimate fialure-- there was no way he could "bring democracy to Iraq".
The only question is whether we leave now and save US and Iraqi lives, or we stay longer and kill more people.
This is the problem with pseudo-scientists and non-scientists.... this article does not even address the issues that those concerned about Yellowstone have.
Yet the posting claims it debunks them? The relevant questions weren't even asked! Its like listenting to democrats expalain how doubling the tax burden on the poor is really designed to punish the rich. (As if punishing the rich were even a moral thing to begin with.)
This is what really sucks about mainstream society-- people believe what they are told to believe, and then steafastly refuse to listen to reason:
EG: Microsoft's investment of $150M "bailed out" Apple, despite Apple having billions in chash.
EG: The x86 is faster CPU despite the fact that the only way you can get those results are with artificial measures that essentially measure clock speed.
EG: The Republicans tax cut (which would have cut taxes on the richest by %5 and on the poorest by %33) were a "tax cut for the rich"... and that democrats "Care about the poor"-- even though their changes on Bush's tax cut reduced the tax cut for the poor drastically... EG: Democrats care about the poor so they raise their taxes.
Bottom line: Yellowstone may erupt soon, or it may be a long time. The questions asked didn't address the issues.... and of course nobody is going to see something looking at it on a day to day basis -- until it happens anyway!
But no, we have to spread the conspiracy theory that people who question the official word on anything are nuts-- despite the fact that much of what you are told is outright lies.
CNN Says "Assault weapons" are full auto machine guns (full auto has been banned since the 30s). But most americans believe it.
Hell most americans believe that marriage is traditionally between a man and a woman-- despite the fact that the ceremony was created by the catholic church to honor priest-alterboy relationships, and only later extendede to the masses as marriage.
People cannot think critically, or the refuse to, and so they believe waht tehy want or are told to believe... and the quality of slashdot goes to hell. The quality of science writing goes to hell.
And so we get articles "Debunking" things that don't even address the subject!
Of course its not erupting now, nobody says it is!
My dispute is not with the word "create".... it is with who he's talking about when he says "we helped". And the "We helped" is clearly the government.
While I think he's wrong-- the government has only hindered the internet-- he certainly wasn't claiming that *HE* invented the internet.
I mean, come on-- you have to be pretty desperate and pretty stupid to think that Al Gore thinks he personally created the internet.
But to pass on the lie that he made the claim you just have to lack integrity.... and so many people do.
You're welcome. Over the years, I've noticed that without such clues you guys often misunderstand what I'm saying.
None of which would be a problem if the US wasn't inflating the dollar.
There is no such thing as a benevolant dictator. The problem with democracy is in its premise-- that masses can make decissions affecting EVERYONE.
Take that power out of the government, and the fools who pursue short term thinking will get their due, and those who pursue long term thinking will get theirs.
This may not be disagreeing with you.
Outsourcing is good for the economy. Unfortunately, the broken window fallacy seems to be the basis of mainstream economic understanding.
Under capitalism, man exploits man, but man is also exploiting man. EG: Man A exploits Man B, but Man B is also exploiting man A, in the same transaction.
Under socialism, the party exploits the masses.
These are not the same men. (I know, you were making a joke, but most people don't realize the fallacy in the joke.)
I fail to see how a $150M restricted stock investment for a company that had $4B in the bank is a "Bailout".
To call this a bailout is just to repeat the pro-microsoft zealot's urban legend.
Plus that $150 was a small payment comapred to the Billions Microsoft has paid Apple in their cross-licensing agreement (announced at the same time, but downplayed because MS did not want to admit that it was paying apple for stealing Quicktime technology.)
But people just want to believe that Apple is weak, and so they repeat stories like this.
Despite the fats. This ranks right up there with the "Al Gore claimed he invented the internet" in most widely believed lies.
Well, maybe "Social Security helps people" is more widely believed. (If people were able to keep the money they paid into social security in even a savings account, they would be better off.)
You could make that argument, but you'd be just like the people claiming Apple was dying when they had three times the revenues of microsoft!
Literally, people have been claiming this in the press and online for about 20 years. (Yes, "online" did exist 20 years ago.)
All the unix geeks I know are getting apple laptops, or want to. The transition to Unix is even more significant than the PowerPC transition, in my mind, because it paves the way for everybody but Microsoft to be using the same OS, which easy transportability of applications, and thus much more collective Unix market share.
Apple has been hampered by Motorola, but hopefully IBM will be more energetic in keeping the processors up to standard...
I do not think the Mac market is dying at all...
My screen failed when I used it to hammer stakes for my tent on a camping trip.
Imagine how dissapointed I was when I couldn't use the iPod for the rest of the trip!
Now I hear you can't easily replace the battery when it runs out of charge?
Amazing people put up with this product!
(Please note the sarcasm.)
Apparently you didn't read the directions, but, you see, the battery in the iPod is rechargeable.
Just plug it into your PC with a firewire cable, or use the conveniently supplied plug-in power supply to recharge the battery.
I know, its such an amazing technology... I'm sure you're quite used to throwing away batteries once they are dead. But I assure you the iPod's battery is meant to be recharged, not replaced.
Economics is a science that is fully understood. Unfortunately, many economists are actually politicians pretending to be economists.
AS I pointed out in another posting, the Austrian school of economics has accurately predicted what happens in reality before it happens.
The chicago school is pretty close as well-- it has a good record.
Unfortunately, most of the "economists" you hear about are not even competant in economics-- they are outright marxists trying to put forth a political agenda and justify it with the pseudo-science you react to. Also known as keynsian economists.
Just because the state puts forth these liars on a regular basis who cannot predict their way out of a paper bag, does not mean that there is no such thing as economic science.
I invite you to read "Economics in one lesson". Its a quick read and it will let you detect the liars very quickly in the future.
I'm glad to see you bring up currency exchange... but the "unfair advantage" china has is that they pegged the Yuan to the dollar!
In other words, they are getting that advantage because the bush administration, and the clinton one before it, have been inflating the US dollar like crazy to pay for wasteful government spending....
So, we're the ones giving them that "unfair" advantage.
BZZZT WRONG! And of course, you lie by cutting the rest of my statement. Gee, just how dishonest can you be?
All those heirs are first generation inheritors, like I said, you idiot.
And I dare you to find me 5 in the top 25 who come from a family that's had money for more than 50 years.
You confirm my point, and yet are apparently too stupid to realize it.
None. You've improved the lot for software developers in the US.
And historically, the US has had a decrease in poverty over the years-- but that doesn't seem to quell the constant cries of woe from certain sectors.
Its really simple-- India became more capitalist in some respects than the US and doubled the average indians income. The US, on the other hand, has gotten more socialist-- its going where india came from.
Will we learn from India's example? OR will we just whine and cry?
So you assert, but the fact of the matter is there is a branch of economics that has a great track record... it has predicted events well in advance, and very accurately, using scientific principles. Its called the Austrian school.
That people are dishonest and use economics-sounding arguments to justify it does not mean that economics is alchemy. Its not.
I encourage you to read "Economics in one Lesson". ITs a short book, and it will open your eyes.
Oh, it is obvious how to fix the problem.
The reason they don't do it is that they make political hay out of ignoring economics and leaving the bill to the next guy.
You should go read up on the "Broken window fallacy". IT has an entry in the wikipidia. And then listen to people as they put forth fallacious arguments all the time.
No economics is really needed for seeing the fallacy... and yet, just today I heard a "Professor of economics" put forth the fallacy over and over again.
Frankly, "Scientific Socialism" is what we have-- and it ignores the science of economics.
Your ignorance does not make Economics wishy washy like psychology.
Yeah, that's what you can expect from slashdot.
Yawn, now you're repeating your lame insults?
Sorry, you have an attitude problem. You haven't made a counter argument-- all you've done is said nasty things about people.
Those who can do, those who can't bitch about the system.
In this discussion, it is YOU who is bitching about the system, not me.
The reality is computer science trains programmers. That's what the programs are set up to do, and that's what they do.
You're bitching because they are too hard, and make you actually use computers-- LOL! Maybe you're the one who got kicked out of a CS program.
Whatever, I don't care. You have had your chance to make an argument and you've failed.
Go get a job.
Oh, cry me a river.
Jesus, how many of the wealthiest people in this country were born that way?
Of the top ten, all are self made, or first generation. (You can't blame the kids of a self made guy for being rich.)
In other words, the wealthy in the US are not born that way from a long line of inherited wealth-- they made it themselves.
Indias per-capita income has doubled since 1980.
What happenedi n 1980? They got rid of the centrally planned economy and let entrepreneurship flourish.
Maybe if hte US did the same thing, we could double our per-capita income as well.
Capitalism doubled the average income of one BILLION of the worlds poorest people.
But the ignorant call that a "Race to the bottom".
The funny thing is, "Made in Japan" had everyone scared, what, 50 years ago?
Are you still scared?
Do you think cheap japanese labor is going to destory the american economy?
This article makes a good point-- the problem is most people do not understand economics at all. They only look at first order effects and ignore all others-- despite the fact that time and again, secondary and tertiary effects show themselves to be much more important.
Bottom line: Free trade always works.
The alternative is: unfree trade. What does unfree trade mean? IT means tarrifs or other restrictions--all of which raise costs to american companies who want to do business abroad. Higher costs mean-- more outsourcing abroad! Instead of making it here and exporting it, make it there. Or if it doesn't do that, it causes other countries to raise terrifs on American goods, negating the effect of the terrifs in the first place.
The reason you're losing your job to India or China is because the US has made it far too expensive to operate a company here.
They have done so because all the liberals screaming "kill the rich" like the parent of this thread.
But the result of that is, more onerous conditions and fewer jobs.
Its not that "Wealthy billionaires" are doing this stuff-- its the force of the market, the force of nature. To survive you have to be competitive. You make the US uncompetitive and we lose jobs.
Its that simple.
In short-- your high taxes, your soak the rich policies, you're socalist oppression of the productive members of society are coming back to bite you in the ass.
And who do you blame? The rich!
As for me, I'll move to india and start an outsourcing company. Just wish I'd done that 6 years ago when I first thought of it, but at the time I said to myself "Self, everyone and their brother is already doing that." Hmm... maybe I should start one in Madagascar or eastern russia.
Bottom line: Americans have no clue about economics (otherwise they would refuse to hold dollars, or think that George Bush "cut taxes", etc). You guys call for "solutions" that are actually the problem in the first place.
Things are going to get much worse as long as socialist republicans or socialist democrats are in office.
IF you want to keep your job, vote libertarian. IF you think that's absurd, read "Economics in one lesson."
Economics is a SCIENCE. LEARN IT.
PS- this is not directed at the immediately preceeding post, but at the chain of posts that led to it.
See, you don't know what a gui is.
You guys are just too stupid to even recognize the truth when its rubbed in your face.
Notice that UI did not have overlapping windows, pulldown menus, a desktop metaphor, etc. etc.
I love it when ignorant slashdot posters post "proof" that proves them wrong! Or proves they don't even know what they are talking about.
Unfortunately, you don't know what you're talking about...you have your worldview and you aren't open to the real world.
It sounds like you've spent all your time at a university and haven't actually been a programmer.
A computer scientist and a programmer are the same thing. A psych prof who learns to program is a programmer-- not a full one, but a beginning one.
You belittle programming for whatever reasons you choose, but it sounds to me like you don't understand it, or computer science.
Yeah, all of which are "trade school" type tasks.
Computer Science isn't required for them, and they are not things that should be taught in computer science.
The end all, sole purpose for computer science is to teach computer programming-- the entirety of the non-hardware design side of computers.
Computer Engineering for those who want to layout motherboards. Computer Science for the programmers.
If you're going to be an admin, don't go to college-- its just a waste of time. Teach yourself on the job and save $30,000 and end up making twice what your peers who went to college to learn how to be a network admin do when they graduate.
You mean they actually *teach* people to put the open brace on the same line?
No wonder there are so many programmers out there who do it wrong.
I think that could be an excellent system...very excellent.
Start with Assembly.
Then in the next semester, teach them C. Datastructures, procedural stuff.
Then teach object oriented programming with Java.
That could well be the best way to go. I taught myself assembly before I ever went to college, but prior to your post I would have suggested Java as a first language... but your're right-- I think assembly would be excellent. Then with C as the next step, its only one degree removed from assembly... and Java shares the syntax to some extent, and is a good OO language. In the end they have two of the most common languages under their belt.