But history has shown this to be completely not the case.
Piracy drove PS2 homebrew(First modchips played PS2 and PSOne burns), piracy drove PSP homebrew(Dark Alex wrote his own compressed ISO format and loader), piracy drove Xbox homebrew(ISO loaders; XBMC came later), piracy drove Xbox 360 homebrew(Drive patching), piracy drove PSOne Homebrew(Mod chips were used primarily FOR piracy).
Piracy comes first then comes homebrew. Whenever in the history of console gaming has it been that the case where homebrew came first then piracy?
Do you understand how much lost money is being generated every day because of viruses, worms, and all sorts of malware because of Microsoft products? Do you know how many of these holes just go unpatched? How much anguish was caused because of absolutely piss poor design of a critical product? Do you understand that Sony's Rootkit Fiasco was five years ago and they haven't put out a product like that since? Do you understand what it means to walk away from a pointless hateful feud?
Yes, I have a hateful feud with Microsoft, but the second Microsoft puts out an OS that can't get owned in under 10 minutes by having it talk directly to the internet with no firewall is the second I will stop hating it.
What's your end point? No one who developed that software is ever going to jail. Get over it. Again, maybe if it wasn't possible to do what was done, maybe it wouldn't have been done in the first place.
The backup manager was written with a Sony tool chain, again, if this came from the homebrew scene, why wasn't anyone on building a toolchain so devs could get started ASAP?
Well, I have a sinking feeling they had some idea how to patch it so Geohot couldn't get the firmware details and it was either patch the hypervisor and dedicate resources to that or just disable it all together. Given the Other OS removal in the slim, I'm guessing it was a lack of caring.
Sony removed the Other OS option because they didn't want to maintain the code for the hypervisor.
There's a subtle difference, but, let's face it, what consumers(IE not research outfits looking to break RSA or something) were actually using OtherOS? was it even 1%?
Yes, because it was Sony who made Windows vulnerable to a Music CD. Seriously. Shut up. Even Sony's Rootkit fiasco is partially the fault of Microsoft's lousy software.
Where's the tool chain? Where's the Other OS enabler? Where's Linux?
This hack came from a site that sells MODCHIPS. this didn't come from Dark Alex, Geohot, or anyone else generally involved in the console hacking scene. They released a bootloader for dumped disks. if this came from the mod scene, it wouldn't have cost $150 bucks plus shipping.
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WTF are you smoking?!
It has zero moving parts! ... okay there's the lock switch but christ, it's not like a 1964 Buick Skylark.
Yes but if I have no use for gold, and it has no intrinsic use, why would it at all be interesting to someone else for trade?
Building an iPad right means that when the new shiny one comes out, you can sell the old one on eBay or Craigslist. :)
I still have a 1st Gen nano that still works. Some of my friends refuse to give up their iBook G4s. I've seen some 2nd Gen iPods still kick around.
I can't eat gold, I can't drink gold, gold doesn't entertain me, and it won't protect me.
Gold requires a certain level of civilization for it's OOOH SHINY effect to be worth while.
I guess if you had a gold bar you could beat someone senseless with it though.
There's been only 1 iPad out, what are you basing this assertion on?
I thought those two conditions weren't mutually exclusive?
Oh god I believed you and I'm at work.
Thank god I opened a new tab and didn't bother peering inside.
Arugula wrapped cheetos with a salsa dipping sauce.
Isn't Mark Zuckerberg known to be a complete jerk and a narcissist?
With the PS2 and homebrew. It was independence. That's when homebrew really went anywhere.
But history has shown this to be completely not the case.
Piracy drove PS2 homebrew(First modchips played PS2 and PSOne burns), piracy drove PSP homebrew(Dark Alex wrote his own compressed ISO format and loader), piracy drove Xbox homebrew(ISO loaders; XBMC came later), piracy drove Xbox 360 homebrew(Drive patching), piracy drove PSOne Homebrew(Mod chips were used primarily FOR piracy).
Piracy comes first then comes homebrew. Whenever in the history of console gaming has it been that the case where homebrew came first then piracy?
So whoever figured this out better out themselves.
I'm pretty sure if they did, that person would be thrilled to have this under their belt.
If this was a primary motivator then where the hell is it?
Do you understand how much lost money is being generated every day because of viruses, worms, and all sorts of malware because of Microsoft products? Do you know how many of these holes just go unpatched? How much anguish was caused because of absolutely piss poor design of a critical product? Do you understand that Sony's Rootkit Fiasco was five years ago and they haven't put out a product like that since? Do you understand what it means to walk away from a pointless hateful feud?
Yes, I have a hateful feud with Microsoft, but the second Microsoft puts out an OS that can't get owned in under 10 minutes by having it talk directly to the internet with no firewall is the second I will stop hating it.
What's your end point? No one who developed that software is ever going to jail. Get over it. Again, maybe if it wasn't possible to do what was done, maybe it wouldn't have been done in the first place.
Windows Vista and Windows ME weren't deliberate acts?
The backup manager was written with a Sony tool chain, again, if this came from the homebrew scene, why wasn't anyone on building a toolchain so devs could get started ASAP?
My point was that this wasn't coming from the console hacking community; this is coming from the piracy arm of the "We want open" crowd.
if this was, the hack wouldn't be surviving as a reverse engineer job, it would have been pretty open from the get go. I was refuting the GP's post.
Well, I have a sinking feeling they had some idea how to patch it so Geohot couldn't get the firmware details and it was either patch the hypervisor and dedicate resources to that or just disable it all together. Given the Other OS removal in the slim, I'm guessing it was a lack of caring.
You mean knowingly shipping bugs in software and refusing to patch those known bugs isn't shipping software with harmful side effects?
Seriously. Get some perspective. Sony's fuckups set back IT departments and tech support lines for months; not decades.
Untold barrels of oil in the ground and that is the most disrespectful thing that a company's ever done?
What about, I don't know, having a vulnerability("Feature") that allows code to run whenever a CD's inserted?
Sony removed the Other OS option because they didn't want to maintain the code for the hypervisor.
There's a subtle difference, but, let's face it, what consumers(IE not research outfits looking to break RSA or something) were actually using OtherOS? was it even 1%?
Yes, because it was Sony who made Windows vulnerable to a Music CD. Seriously. Shut up. Even Sony's Rootkit fiasco is partially the fault of Microsoft's lousy software.
I keep hearing this but I finally call bullshit.
Where's the tool chain? Where's the Other OS enabler? Where's Linux?
This hack came from a site that sells MODCHIPS. this didn't come from Dark Alex, Geohot, or anyone else generally involved in the console hacking scene. They released a bootloader for dumped disks. if this came from the mod scene, it wouldn't have cost $150 bucks plus shipping.
Right, because every consumer was told right when they buy Windows machines, "This will probably get owned by viruses and malware at some point."
They're all told, "This has Norton Antivirus! you're safe!"