In the 1930s the Fuhrer Roosevelt* ordered a farmer to "grow half as much wheat" as part of his rationing plan (which also led to rampant food shortages). The farmer said it's HIS land for HIS personal consumption by himself and his family, and he can grow whatever the hell he wants to grow on HIS property.
The Supreme Court heard the case circa 1940 and decided the farmer is merely a Serf of the State, and has no right to decide what he wants to grow because it "affects" interstate commerce even if the wheat never leaves the farmer's Home.
That decision has haunted us for 70+ years and given the government virtually unlimited control to regulate our households. - How much energy we use, whether or not our water is drugged, what kind of low-flow toilet we buy (and which requires two flushes), and so on. THIS decision regarding whether the FCC can regulate private websites streaming over private cables into private homes is just as far-reaching.
The precedent could easily be used by a future FCC lawyer to argue they not only have the right to regulate the Private Internet, but also Private Cable TV and censor what is transmitted (i.e. goodbye FOX/MSNBC because they are too political, and goodbye swearing/nudity in movies or HBO).
* * The other thing Fuhrer Roosevelt did was to jail people who dared say, "This war is wrong. We should not be involved," and to imprison 1 million Americans simply because they had grandparents who were japanese or german. (Thereby violating all 10 rights codified in the Bill of Rights.) Yes. I hate that guy.
Then take if OFF the internet.
- Both the central Union government and the Member States have the power to regulate the monopolies we call utilities. Pass a rule forbidding them from connecting their power stations online. Ditto any other critical services, like water and sewer.
It's also unconstitutional. I can not lay my hand on any power given to the Union Congress which allows them to shutdown the mail or the newspapers (old-fashioned type or modern websites/email). That power is reserved to the Member States.
If they think Congress should have that power, let the states pass an amendment FIRST granting that power, rather than create an Egypt-type problem where some future Caesar/dictator can squash the people with a simple flip of the switch.
C'mon. What kind of serious "cyber emergency" can metal boxes called computers pose to us humans? Having a kill switch for the web makes as little sense as having a kill switch for newspapers or TV.
>>>What the hell are you talking about? "Number please?" The operator GIVES you a number...... Wow I hate douches like you that lie and twist reality to make points. >>>
And I hate people who think insulting is a valid method of communication. Perhaps in face-to-face arguments when tempers are boiling, but it's really not acceptable in a posting where you can re-read what you wrote, and then decide, 'I think I'll act like a mature adult and delete the insults.'
But then again, maybe you're not a mature adult. What's that noise? Mommy calling you to dinner? Run along little teeny-bopper.
Oh and yes: Back in the days before self-dialing, people picked-up their handsets and an operator said, "Number please?" and you would provide the number for whoever you're calling. JEEZ. Haven't you ever seen old black-and-white movies?
I was not attacking the Euros. - I was making the point that it's easy to get confused when dealing with so many tiny states on the other side of the world. So I got confused about which EU member state the dictator ruled 21 years ago. Big deal. Can you tell me who ruled over New York in 1989? Probably not.
>>>>>~30 kbit/s via analog lines >> >>How are you getting ~30 kb/s over a pots line? The highest rating I've seen is 5.6 kb/s
You're a little confused. I said kBITS per second whereas you are talking about 5.6 kilobytes per second. Not the same thing. Anyway the breakdown is like so for Dialup modems:
~33 kbit/s or 3.3 kbytes/s via analog phones ~53 kbit/s or 5.3 kbytes/s via digital phones
Those are maximums of course. Other common speeds if the lines are noisy include 28kbit/s, 24k, 19k, 14k, and 9600 bits/second.
And cheap. I don't want to see websites or radio or TV turn into a pay-for-access medium, because everyone is using ad-blocker and advertisers stop buying airtime.
I installed adblock but then extricated it again, because I felt guilty. Ads are what pay for my free internet, free movies/dramas (TV), and free music (radio). I'd sooner deal with them than deal with a monthly subscription.
Not just a lot of ads, but my Mozilla Seamonkey addon shows they have 16(!) tracking cookies. Wow.
- For me the best feature of these kinds of technologies is "cash back". For example Discover Card lets me just wave my card to pay for stuff and then gives me 1% off my purchase. 5% for hotels (I just got back $40 on my last statement). Amazon has a card that gives 3% off books, games, et cetera, and AAA has a gas card that is also 3% off.
For Apple to make me want to use their Credit "near field" technology, I'd like some kind of discount, like maybe 3% off my apple.com purchases.
>>>videos to internet in 1989? Was it.GIF or.FLI? Uh.
There were videos on the internet in 1989. They were IFF or ANIM format for Commodore Amiga and Atari ST computers. (IBM PC and Mac were not powerful enough to play them.) Ahhh yes... my first porn download.
Anyway..... of course I was not talking about 1989. I was talking about the video you can find NOW of the execution of the dictator (youtube, googlevideo, etc).
>>>are they charging an arm and a leg? I mean, I know they're Not for Profit, but that doesn't always meant they offer all services free. If they ARE offering it for free... I can't help but wonder what their angle is. >>>
I don't know why you're surprised. DIALUP internet only costs me $7/month. Netzero and Juno offer it for free (see links below). It's not that much of a burden for the Non-profit ISP to offer free access to egyptians.
And the datarate is only ~30 kbit/s via analog lines, so you could carry over 300 users in the space of one DSL or cable customer.
For example the images of Leisure Suit Larry & Maniac Mansion look like shit compared to how the game appeared on my 1985 Amiga. By ignoring the Atari/Commodore machines they've skipped-over some of the most innovative games (because of 4000 color graphics and/or near-CD quality sound).
>>>$700 isn't much when spending over $4000 on [70] games
All you've proven is the old saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted," is accurate Every game I buy costs less than $20 because I wait for the inevitable pricedrop.
And typically I sell them for $15+ on ebay, so figure $4 each game or $280 total. The PS3 I have not bought yet, but will eventually buy for $100-150 just as I did with the PS2 and Gamecube and Xbox. (I'm still working my way through the PS1/2/GC titles, so I'm in no rush to upgrade.)
You spent $4700. Sometime in 2011 I will get the same PS3 system + 70 games for 90% off...... over 4000 saved.
Ooops. Me not perfekt.;-) (shrug) I hear the exact same thing from europeans all the time: "New Jersey... Virginia... eh, what's the difference? It's over there somewhere."
BTW there was no reason to mod -1 Troll on BOTH my messages, especially the second one about Dialup internet costing virtually nothing to provide.
Disagree. I've uploaded 3GP files to youtube over my dialup line. It only takes 10 minutes for a 5 minute video upload. (And vice-versa: Only requires 5 minutes for viewers to download it & watch it.). Remember it only took a low-quality cellphone camera to capture that poor Iraqi girl getting shot last year, and then suffocating in her own blood, to arouse the world's anger.
>>>effectiveness at bringing "people power" to bear. Is there really any truth in that?
Obviously it IS effective otherwise people inside the Obama and Bush administrations wouldn't be looking for ways to "shut down the MSNBC and FOX websites" to use a direct quote. And people like the Egyptian dictator wouldn't have pulled the plug immediately.
Of course he acted too late. The information already got out. He's doomed to be dead very shortly. The avalanche had already started, and it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Maybe we should start copying the Egyptians here in the U.S. I'm tired of being tied to the Comcast monopoly or Verizon monopoly, and would like alternatives.
What is this "mesh" network I keep hearing about? What is WiFi p2p? What is Netsukuku?
Now that would be ironic -- a revolution that takes place at 56Kbps. Holy AOL, Batman.
Doesn't surprise me. Dialup is a poor choice for watching youtube, but perfectly fine for accessing the internet if you're only interested in sharing text and images with the outside world.
I don't know why you're surprised. DIALUP internet only costs me $7/month. It's not that much of a burden for the Non-profit ISP to offer free access to egyptians. And the datarate is only ~30k via analog lines, so you could carry over 300 users in the space of one DSL or cable internet line.
Also:
We ought to start shipping the Egyptian citizens some guns. The only thing that will cure their ills is the same thing that cured the Czech Republic - several guns aimed at Nicolae Ceausescu's body. They even posted video of him gasping his last breath on the television and internet.
Just saying that a student should be able to attend ANY school he/she wants (Private or Public), and not have to pay. The government would pay. This would force schools to improve, or risk losing students (and money). Competition, like natural selection, improves the quality of the product.
The current situation forces inner-city blacks (mostly) to attend schools that are inferior junk. These blacks would LOVE to attend a private school, or a suburban public school, but they can't because the government won't let them. It's like a modern-day variant of Segregation and Suppression.
Let's get them out of the trap. Let's let them attend any school they want. For free.
I have a right to privacy - i.e. Not tell the government how much money I make, per the 9th amendment.
And the 10th Amendment gives the US power to ENUMERATE i.e. count for the purpose of giving every ~300,000 persons 1 representative in the House. Nothing more. It has zero power to demand how much cash I make, my skin color, and so on. Per the 10th.
Your interpretation would give the US Government unlimited power and place us under a tyranny with no bounds. You are a fool to embrace such a philosophy. Have you learned *nothing* from history?
During the last hundred years, over 150 million citizens were killed by their *own* governments, because the governments had no limits on their power to execute, spy, or enslave the people underneath them.
The original claim was "Mozilla is not a company because Mozilla does not make profit." This claim is demonstrably false, because while the foundation is non-profit, the Mozilla corporation most definitely IS for profit.
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>>>will it mater next week? month? year?
Probably.
In the 1930s the Fuhrer Roosevelt* ordered a farmer to "grow half as much wheat" as part of his rationing plan (which also led to rampant food shortages). The farmer said it's HIS land for HIS personal consumption by himself and his family, and he can grow whatever the hell he wants to grow on HIS property.
The Supreme Court heard the case circa 1940 and decided the farmer is merely a Serf of the State, and has no right to decide what he wants to grow because it "affects" interstate commerce even if the wheat never leaves the farmer's Home.
That decision has haunted us for 70+ years and given the government virtually unlimited control to regulate our households. - How much energy we use, whether or not our water is drugged, what kind of low-flow toilet we buy (and which requires two flushes), and so on. THIS decision regarding whether the FCC can regulate private websites streaming over private cables into private homes is just as far-reaching.
The precedent could easily be used by a future FCC lawyer to argue they not only have the right to regulate the Private Internet, but also Private Cable TV and censor what is transmitted (i.e. goodbye FOX/MSNBC because they are too political, and goodbye swearing/nudity in movies or HBO).
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The other thing Fuhrer Roosevelt did was to jail people who dared say, "This war is wrong. We should not be involved," and to imprison 1 million Americans simply because they had grandparents who were japanese or german. (Thereby violating all 10 rights codified in the Bill of Rights.) Yes. I hate that guy.
Sorry this site is blocked by Websense.
Yep.
Good illustration of why this bill is a bad idea.
Then take if OFF the internet.
- Both the central Union government and the Member States have the power to regulate the monopolies we call utilities. Pass a rule forbidding them from connecting their power stations online. Ditto any other critical services, like water and sewer.
P.S.
It's also unconstitutional. I can not lay my hand on any power given to the Union Congress which allows them to shutdown the mail or the newspapers (old-fashioned type or modern websites/email). That power is reserved to the Member States.
If they think Congress should have that power, let the states pass an amendment FIRST granting that power, rather than create an Egypt-type problem where some future Caesar/dictator can squash the people with a simple flip of the switch.
C'mon. What kind of serious "cyber emergency" can metal boxes called computers pose to us humans? Having a kill switch for the web makes as little sense as having a kill switch for newspapers or TV.
>>>What the hell are you talking about? "Number please?" The operator GIVES you a number. ..... Wow I hate douches like you that lie and twist reality to make points.
>>>
And I hate people who think insulting is a valid method of communication. Perhaps in face-to-face arguments when tempers are boiling, but it's really not acceptable in a posting where you can re-read what you wrote, and then decide, 'I think I'll act like a mature adult and delete the insults.'
But then again, maybe you're not a mature adult. What's that noise? Mommy calling you to dinner? Run along little teeny-bopper.
Oh and yes: Back in the days before self-dialing, people picked-up their handsets and an operator said, "Number please?" and you would provide the number for whoever you're calling. JEEZ. Haven't you ever seen old black-and-white movies?
I was not attacking the Euros.
- I was making the point that it's easy to get confused when dealing with so many tiny states on the other side of the world. So I got confused about which EU member state the dictator ruled 21 years ago. Big deal. Can you tell me who ruled over New York in 1989? Probably not.
>>>>>~30 kbit/s via analog lines
>>
>>How are you getting ~30 kb/s over a pots line? The highest rating I've seen is 5.6 kb/s
You're a little confused. I said kBITS per second whereas you are talking about 5.6 kilobytes per second. Not the same thing. Anyway the breakdown is like so for Dialup modems:
~33 kbit/s or 3.3 kbytes/s via analog phones
~53 kbit/s or 5.3 kbytes/s via digital phones
Those are maximums of course. Other common speeds if the lines are noisy include 28kbit/s, 24k, 19k, 14k, and 9600 bits/second.
>>>Not odd. Honest.
And cheap. I don't want to see websites or radio or TV turn into a pay-for-access medium, because everyone is using ad-blocker and advertisers stop buying airtime.
I installed adblock but then extricated it again, because I felt guilty. Ads are what pay for my free internet, free movies/dramas (TV), and free music (radio). I'd sooner deal with them than deal with a monthly subscription.
Not just a lot of ads, but my Mozilla Seamonkey addon shows they have 16(!) tracking cookies. Wow.
- For me the best feature of these kinds of technologies is "cash back". For example Discover Card lets me just wave my card to pay for stuff and then gives me 1% off my purchase. 5% for hotels (I just got back $40 on my last statement). Amazon has a card that gives 3% off books, games, et cetera, and AAA has a gas card that is also 3% off.
For Apple to make me want to use their Credit "near field" technology, I'd like some kind of discount, like maybe 3% off my apple.com purchases.
>>>videos to internet in 1989? Was it .GIF or .FLI? Uh.
There were videos on the internet in 1989. They were IFF or ANIM format for Commodore Amiga and Atari ST computers. (IBM PC and Mac were not powerful enough to play them.) Ahhh yes... my first porn download.
Anyway..... of course I was not talking about 1989. I was talking about the video you can find NOW of the execution of the dictator (youtube, googlevideo, etc).
>>>are they charging an arm and a leg? I mean, I know they're Not for Profit, but that doesn't always meant they offer all services free. If they ARE offering it for free... I can't help but wonder what their angle is.
>>>
I don't know why you're surprised. DIALUP internet only costs me $7/month. Netzero and Juno offer it for free (see links below). It's not that much of a burden for the Non-profit ISP to offer free access to egyptians.
And the datarate is only ~30 kbit/s via analog lines, so you could carry over 300 users in the space of one DSL or cable customer.
http://www.juno.com/start/landing.do?page=www/free/index
http://isp.netscape.com/
For example the images of Leisure Suit Larry & Maniac Mansion look like shit compared to how the game appeared on my 1985 Amiga. By ignoring the Atari/Commodore machines they've skipped-over some of the most innovative games (because of 4000 color graphics and/or near-CD quality sound).
>>>$700 isn't much when spending over $4000 on [70] games
All you've proven is the old saying, "A fool and his money are soon parted," is accurate Every game I buy costs less than $20 because I wait for the inevitable pricedrop.
And typically I sell them for $15+ on ebay, so figure $4 each game or $280 total. The PS3 I have not bought yet, but will eventually buy for $100-150 just as I did with the PS2 and Gamecube and Xbox. (I'm still working my way through the PS1/2/GC titles, so I'm in no rush to upgrade.)
You spent $4700.
Sometime in 2011 I will get the same PS3 system + 70 games for 90% off...... over 4000 saved.
Ooops. Me not perfekt. ;-) (shrug) I hear the exact same thing from europeans all the time: "New Jersey... Virginia... eh, what's the difference? It's over there somewhere."
BTW there was no reason to mod -1 Troll on BOTH my messages, especially the second one about Dialup internet costing virtually nothing to provide.
>>>YouTube won't be a good weapon at that rate
Disagree. I've uploaded 3GP files to youtube over my dialup line. It only takes 10 minutes for a 5 minute video upload. (And vice-versa: Only requires 5 minutes for viewers to download it & watch it.). Remember it only took a low-quality cellphone camera to capture that poor Iraqi girl getting shot last year, and then suffocating in her own blood, to arouse the world's anger.
>>>effectiveness at bringing "people power" to bear. Is there really any truth in that?
Obviously it IS effective otherwise people inside the Obama and Bush administrations wouldn't be looking for ways to "shut down the MSNBC and FOX websites" to use a direct quote. And people like the Egyptian dictator wouldn't have pulled the plug immediately.
Of course he acted too late.
The information already got out.
He's doomed to be dead very shortly.
The avalanche had already started, and it is too late for the pebbles to vote.
Maybe we should start copying the Egyptians here in the U.S. I'm tired of being tied to the Comcast monopoly or Verizon monopoly, and would like alternatives.
What is this "mesh" network I keep hearing about?
What is WiFi p2p?
What is Netsukuku?
P.S.
Correction - Dialup is FREE from Netzero or Juno. It's so old and slow that it's virtually no burden at all for an ISP to offer free service:
http://www.juno.com/start/landing.do?page=www/free/index
http://isp.netscape.com/
Now that would be ironic -- a revolution that takes place at 56Kbps. Holy AOL, Batman.
Doesn't surprise me. Dialup is a poor choice for watching youtube, but perfectly fine for accessing the internet if you're only interested in sharing text and images with the outside world.
I don't know why you're surprised. DIALUP internet only costs me $7/month. It's not that much of a burden for the Non-profit ISP to offer free access to egyptians. And the datarate is only ~30k via analog lines, so you could carry over 300 users in the space of one DSL or cable internet line.
Also:
We ought to start shipping the Egyptian citizens some guns. The only thing that will cure their ills is the same thing that cured the Czech Republic - several guns aimed at Nicolae Ceausescu's body. They even posted video of him gasping his last breath on the television and internet.
Not running a school like a business.
Just saying that a student should be able to attend ANY school he/she wants (Private or Public), and not have to pay. The government would pay. This would force schools to improve, or risk losing students (and money). Competition, like natural selection, improves the quality of the product.
The current situation forces inner-city blacks (mostly) to attend schools that are inferior junk. These blacks would LOVE to attend a private school, or a suburban public school, but they can't because the government won't let them. It's like a modern-day variant of Segregation and Suppression.
Let's get them out of the trap.
Let's let them attend any school they want.
For free.
I have a right to privacy - i.e. Not tell the government how much money I make, per the 9th amendment.
And the 10th Amendment gives the US power to ENUMERATE i.e. count for the purpose of giving every ~300,000 persons 1 representative in the House. Nothing more. It has zero power to demand how much cash I make, my skin color, and so on. Per the 10th.
Your interpretation would give the US Government unlimited power and place us under a tyranny with no bounds. You are a fool to embrace such a philosophy. Have you learned *nothing* from history?
During the last hundred years, over 150 million citizens were killed by their *own* governments, because the governments had no limits on their power to execute, spy, or enslave the people underneath them.
The original claim was "Mozilla is not a company because Mozilla does not make profit." This claim is demonstrably false, because while the foundation is non-profit, the Mozilla corporation most definitely IS for profit.
You can ship books via media mail at $3.24 or if the book is light, first class for $2. Plus whatever delivery confirmation costs.